 Radio Live with William JT. Be part of it. Join the debate 0800 723 465 0800 radio live Yeah, that's the number if you want to give us a call. It's some the political panel with Matt McCartin our regular lefty and this week filling in for that rotten Matthew hooted Crooked crooked the equally rotten Cameron Slater How are you Cameron? Cameron you've just been named in the house in question time as you See but it's quite clear isn't it that there are splits and divisions of national over Someone polish the floor under Nick Smith someone in the national team did there's an allegation That it was Judith Collins. You're on the inside. What do you say? I got I'm not privy to the what goes on in the Beltway But I know one thing is Nick Smith would never have been at risk if he hadn't written some stupid letters in Support of Bronwyn puller and he's only got himself to blame for that and this whole whole charade this whole Mess that's happened there. Sure. There's I'm not gonna stick up for ACC They they've got some things that are dreadfully wrong going on in there Ironically, it's gonna suit the government because labor's going on and on and on about how did Judith polish the floor under Nick I have no idea, but I would suggest that Michelle Bogue was probably deeply involved in this and and took out Nick Smith along the way With friendly fire So she might be again we'll show our sort of unintended Consequences Look, I'm no fan of Nick Smith on his politics around the myth of climate change Certainly no fan of him on that But he's a hard-working MP in the local area and I wouldn't wish what befell him on Any other MP out there, but again, I'm not sticking up from he did some pretty silly things to get rid of a mad woman Who was pestering you, but there's a very forceful person Michelle Bogue Very well connected forceful to who not to me. No, no Well, it's starting to look like this that if you're in the upper echelons of the National Party with all the connections You just are not on the beltway, mate. You you you get to the checkbook real quick What do you say to that? Well, obviously because I'm certainly nowhere near a checkbook Haven't seen any checks come in my way. So I definitely outside of that influence I was thinking the are are the other day that that that if you're not getting checked You should be because you've probably done more for the port come company and some of these locked any other mainstream But that said I think I think that That that Nick Smith, yeah, he made a mistake in writing the letter But it does seem as you say JT about polishing the floor, you know, there's more to this and We all know before of us. No no our no politics I who benefited who benefited by Nick going down whose from when puller or all others. Well, yeah Well, that's the shell bow. Yeah, exactly. So there is the Michelle I think that Judith Collins the interesting thing about that is that key Felt he had to say in public that he had asked to twice for reassurances It didn't come from from he might have had a stutter like you Matt And so well, you can be a player gimmicks. I'm trying to actually talk seriously here So here we have a situation what is going on is there's clearly There's a gender's been played in the National Party that even the Prime Minister's not sure if he's been told the truth Michelle bow is a player. She doesn't tell the truth. She was the person who got key to stand and brash and No, that's not true. She did not get key to stand. That's a myth There well, you know myth and perception is what history is written by for those are those who win but what I'm saying All right. Well, I'll accept I had Michelle go in 2002. Oh, that's what they say So let me just put that the thing is that Collins is seen as the potential Successor successor to John Key She that Nick Smith and her haven't had much in common, you know, there's been a bit of stress between them It has been in an interest that he got knifed and not her. So there's something going on It's very murky. That's why let Ava smells it. They kind of know what's going on It's interesting that Collins is to go for defamation come back to that smelling from labor thing. Yeah, I thought on that Oh, well that no, no, no, that's fair enough. So Is there divisions in our will in our will in the National Party? There's certainly some some some some agenda which the Prime Minister know our nose about and He wants to get to the bottom of it but not in front of the public and labor in my context and cameras got his own and in laborers They believe that Collins did play a role. The leak did come from her office No, well that wasn't say so, you know, they want an inquiry and so all roads will lead but they go somewhere Yeah, so, you know, what you're seeing here though with labor is a is is the factionalization there too Because David Shearer came out and said he didn't want to play gotcha politics And what you've got here is as deputy grant Robertson yesterday front and center Leading and attack gotcha politics naming unelected people outside of the house smearing them quite shamelessly It's my mate Simon last And then you had Andrew little smearing me and Simon as well This is incredible I just have never smeared anyone you say that You've been a bigger smearer in the bloody universe. What are you talking about? You you should admire your fellow smears You know the difference between me and Grant Robertson and Trevor Mallard and Andrew little as I do my smearing in the public arena I do it on my blog And they do it like a bunch of cowards hiding behind parliamentary privilege. I'll give you that Yeah, um, that's and I own my own words. You can't deny that man. No, no, no, no And and that's the appropriate answer Although they did go on ray on ray in New Zealand and now they'll suffer Aggregation so when you say well, I you know, well you give credit to them They did go on public road outside of parliament put it up So they will have that well mallards mallards using an anonymous mail and I hear it's from a Rather senior person who really shouldn't be emailing Trevor Mallard. That's likely to come out A senior person where in the national party? Well, exactly. So in the party. Yeah, but it makes point, right? There isn't there's stuff happening But there's definitely stuff happening in the Labor Party too. We got Shearer and Nash are sitting there one no Watching what's happening? I understand Yesterday that that there were questions over whether or not they should run this Smear attack from Mallard and Mallard pretty much just told the chief of staff We didn't really care what he had to say because he was going to do it anyway Yeah Well, you know, I take that with a grand grand assault because you went there and you have vested interest in trying to deflect I'm not deflecting. I don't care bring it on. Okay. The question now is where where does the story run and what damage if any Has occurred to national losing. Here's a big scalp. He's not formidable, but he's extraordinarily capable He's got huge institutional memory. He was taking the scalpel To local government that'll still happen over there for sure, but we're working it through who You know you're on the inside who stands the gain From his loss. Well, I understand this afternoon. They're going to announce who the new minister is to replace him There's any number that are out there. I would think they might tap sound Simon Bridges on the shoulder for that Either that or the chief whip, although He's the chief whip. Well, he's so forgettable. He's about three foot six. Who is he? Well, what I don't know. Michael Woodhouse I was going to say the Dunedin guy. So he's he's oh, he's very competent. I so lost the party vote Yeah, but bridging him a sort of the the next two aren't they generation the next you know And Simon's a marry, of course, so add browns the the cabinet a little bit or browns the the ministerial He's one of those. Yeah That sounds kind of pathetic I won't say he's a no no no no, but but Um The local ball bodies if they're going to do a restriction I would have thought they would put someone more senior in Well, it depends on what the portfolios are there will be a vacancy so Oh, maybe they're going to get jerry brownlee to do the earthquake. Let's go back to the nixmas stuff This bogus got got a lot to answer for here. Is that what you say? This is not good for bogus. Absolutely She's got a lot to answer for look. Here's the thing take away all of the so-called leaked emails and all of that sort of stuff That is completely detracting from it. What we've got here is a woman who Has suffered a brain injury. She doesn't think straight. She acknowledges that she said that public Bronwyn puller Oh, we're hoping that you're talking about the other one. Hang on Hang on a second She's now admitted today in the dom post that she installed some software that allowed her to track What was happening with her stuff in in acc. Well, arguably that's probably a crime Secondly, she went and approached her Good friend michelle bogue Who she's used before Bogue sort of used to be her employer Well, well, yes or no, but but but you don't say this puller's a nut But you don't point out that she was the communications director for national party your party So you're a director by a nut. That's what you're saying. It was back in 2002 Wasn't it and who was in charge there? Oh, that's right. Michelle bogue worst result ever So so what you've got here? She then dies in a ditch and goes to a meeting with senior acc people She then writes they they allegedly Come to an agreement Where they say we'll return the data that she's obtained In consideration for two years of continued acc cover. That's right. Well, that's extortion. It is Is a criminal act but and but that and brahman put well, they are denied but but acc says otherwise And so they've reported it to the police and there'll be an investigation So so but michelle bogue is very culpable in that because I agree She was acting as an advocate for a woman who's admitted self admitted that she had a brain injury So that support person Has a duty to care to ensure that that person is represented properly and what she's allowed her to do is to make In it allegedly an extortion claim against stacey c And then compounding the issue. She then emailed all of that to to judith collins Judith and sent it to judith collins and judith collins has confirmed. She also sent it to a staff member In a ministerial capacity says in that letter according to david fischer that this is very concerning for your board For your CEO for your department that makes it ministerial Business searchable by the official information act You've got a question whether that letter was sent so it could be discovered Exactly And so as soon as judith collins got it she passed the she looked it and said this is dynamite I'm sending it back to the department where it belongs She got better smarts than nick smith which she would expect and pansy wong and others, right? And and so and so I agree with you and so and so what happened with bow. You're right She's promoted us this very smart cable clever woman, but you and I well all four of us know that's just dumb You know and at worst it's extortion And at best it's If wouldn't this you know, it's like incompetent and so I It's classic bow. I mean she operates in the shadows. This is how she operates and She's gone one step too far. She took on the crush and that's a really bad thing to do Well indeed, but it sort of sows an arrogance Not backed up by competence. Well, well arrogance comes from having a It's overreach You're right. It's overreach arrogance comes from having a lifetime of getting away with it. Yes and I think and and and I think that that's a better explanation because what we're You know because it makes sense is that this is a person who was tipped in the national party Put the knife to your dad too, I think Yes, she did And so yeah, I just realized that that that's quite a scurrilous campaign too, but yes, and I and I agree. I watched it from the outside It didn't work. No. No. No, they go over to dad. Oh your man's got a bit of old conservative class And so he's all right Well, you know as I say as I say Matt whenever dad talks about the presidents of the parties back in the day When he was pretty they used to get around a table occasionally that's right and and sort out the back room issues Right. Yeah, it's true, isn't it? It is he always said of all the presidents Most time I had of anybody was with matt mccartan. Oh, well look now now. Oh, well now you're damaging both our reputation It's camera and me as I never saw there. He is the man of the moment winston. He has to be the most effective because weeks crooked again Yeah, what if he got your number? He's got all of the his weeks crooked. Oh 800 radio live It's the blog is the main blog out here. No doubt about it. It's a wow We'll come to the warfare. We're gonna talk about Cameron and this dirty filthy Tactics against those wonderful warfare straight after the break Radio live with willy and jt the conversation starts here call now Oh 800 723 465 800 radio live. Yes. We're back into it. That's uh, that's the uh, Number if you want to give us a call well matt people like Cameron slater and john tummahead Egg all over their face this week, right? They had dirty rotten right wing chairman There's not many days to have a win I actually think it was a very good win in the terms of That's the port had been telling everyone they got a bulletproof case They've got it all tidied and they've got some smart sort of operators on their side And the chairman he come comes up there and j and jt goes all weak in the knees and Wanted to make laughter and um, but you should be knighted But all they did is they kind of got into overreach And I guess it's sort of it's a bit like michelle bow. They get so arrogant in the thing They're untested and suddenly you see they thought go into a judge and what Those of us have been in the defendant box in these courts, right is that judges are very anal retentive They actually believe that they're gods in their own right And so when these guys go into the back rooms and they do deals and then they renege on it the next day These judges sit like the end and then they turn up and they got a pasting and so Cameron's right You know in the legal thing it's kind of you know, well you say I say and are they back at work and they're going to pay them But this is never about money. So they can go shopping with those Will will go for the throats of those workers and they intend to have their way But for the first time you see new zealanders like People are paying the laws they do they do and so they sort of look at that and they go that doesn't seem right Well, it's interesting is and and so I think they've lost the public Fight and people now start no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no We don't want to say like Cameron has got a job job to measure pay Right. No, no, no what what he's done for them be because there are other PR guys have been hopeless But What I think that new zealanders or organ is at least who care start to think oh, well that doesn't look right That's right. Cameron. And so for the first time it doesn't look right. And that's why I think the winners Hang ahead and say no, no, no, I think I think that's true. I think No, no, I'll tell you why you can't be have been as emphatic as Pearson was all over the shop cast iron legal opinions cast iron There's no turning back from this where they haven't heard the case yet. We haven't heard No, no, but hang on mate like it's very Difficult to say that when you've been turned over on breacher process, which must have happened Otherwise they wouldn't have consented to the injunctions like like we can all read between lines We've been through courts a lot of times you have particularly Cameron and He should have been you know, but I just not doesn't look good. It looks like Well, it doesn't look good when the judge says Oh, by the way guys, can you just refrain from talking to the media? And five seconds after they go out the door paslo and cali are on in the media saying what a great victory that they've had When it isn't in fact a great victory. It's a it's really a timing process thing that they're going through They're very measured. Yes. I agree with that. And and and so they're claiming I think you talk the same language they're claiming victory and And yet not a single one of those victory not a single one of those Workers has crossed through the gates to go to work. No, but that's the interesting thing They've got a week and a half worker wages so they can take the mrs. Shopping Let's hear where it's gonna end and then we'll hear from mccartan where he sees it ending Yeah, so so the court said Well, not the court said the the minutes because there's no injunctions been issued at all yet There's a court minutes and when it said that both parties agree to this and both parties agree to that We're injunctions occurers when the parties don't agree and the judge has to make an order So we've got no orders. What we've got is two parties agreeing before the judge that they'll do certain things So what the court said is well, okay, we've issued our Our our lockout notice that doesn't take effect until Next Friday in the meantime. Tell you what? We'll pay the guys as if they were back at work But by the way, can you show up on thursday to let us know just how many of the of you there are Now my union sources are telling me that about 80 of them have bolted So there isn't 300. These are the scabs you work with, right? Well, well, yeah contributing Members of society right scabs you when I I crossed the picket line once and I wrote scab on my name badge I wore it to work proudly. Listen. Anyway, who's it gonna be like you didn't come across Where and when is it gonna be so so what's gonna happen is that is that they got caught tomorrow, right? Uh, they're gonna hear the uh, the union's arguments with regards to whether or not the lockout notice Is valid because that's what they're in court for I'm picking that the lockout notice will be upheld because they issued the lockout notice with two weeks notice Um, that's appropriate. That's the law. You're allowed to do that Just like the union is allowed to issue a two week notice of of so you're calling it, right? Yep, and then They will say and the court will come out and say yep sure But um in the meantime the guys can go back to work and the portal say well We haven't got that many ships coming in. We've already filled the roster We need to work out the roster for the next month or so anyway So look we'll pay you but you don't have to come to work And then on friday the lockout notice will take effect and those union guys will never set foot on that wharf again All right. So that's this prediction. No, no, no, no, and I think and I think that makes sense merit But you see why I suppose The point I was trying to make Is that We've always said this was never about the collective agreement The company never had any intentions of doing a good faith On our our negotiations They intend to smash that union smash those workers and get rid of them. No matter what that was agenda from day one Might is right. That's rather being caught up a few times along. Yeah. Well, that's what they're doing And and and camera you don't do your old media things for nothing. Do you but but but anyway read is good Yeah, okay. All right um So what we have is the company had an agenda and tends to run with it It got caught In terms of thought it could get away with certain things it couldn't but I think that yes They put see what they did is they put the notice of Of of of lockout They didn't expect the workers you see to turn up and say, okay, we'll go back to work now and strike is over Sure. That was a good and so yeah, it was a good. That was a good tactic But it's failed all but no no and so they'll pay the workers and so you're right, you see So when the port says we've got to have efficiencies It's all nonsense, right? They just intend to get rid of all the staff and start with low degree Don't you so that's the tactic It's exactly what I said before that's exactly what maxi's do. Yeah that we agree But but what I think the company's lost in the public perception That's what they didn't portray from the start. They kept pretending. They were acting in good faith And it's the unions. That's right. And there hasn't been and now The camera sign is what the truth is That's why you're a good camera. You're very clear about the agenda, aren't you? I'm very clear about that. That's how it's going to pan out. Um, but bear in mind There hasn't been a single finding of bad faith against the company at all In the employment court. In fact, in fact, in fact, what court case do you guys watch it? No, no, no, because that's not been the question, right? Well, I don't read the minute minutes from the maritime union's press releases like you do You know instead of just playing games Instead of just playing little games here, can we just When I spit with when I sit with employers or anyone, you know, good faith when you see, you know, bad faith when you see Hey, Matt, we better take this break. We'll come back. We'll come back to this. Okay, radio live entertaining talk and news as it happens Radio live with willian jt be part of it. Join the debate 0800 723 465 0800 radio live Cameron Slater from the right Matt McCartney from the left We want to go to huskings and because that's a bit of your area too, uh, Cameron. We want to get a Sort of view from you on the media, but we just finish on the water side is you're saying they'll never go back on the Wharf Cameron Matt, you're saying they got a chance a real chance. Well, man, I've got a little bit in the background We're up to three bucks now. Where are I? I mean he doubled it. Let's go to let's go to four four. Okay. Let's go to four. Let's make it around five Okay, well they get back on the wharf. Um, no, this is what I think it's coming down to Either the directors go or the wharfies go. That's where I think it's gone. The wharfies will go And so I think that that's now the fight I think I think now there's no choice is a fight to the finish Yes, and I think the port directors go or the union is going to go So I think it is as clear as that. Well, well, well, we know and you know that the directors aren't going Well, no, no, no, no, I'm not sure if you make the corner. Let's get right. Let's get it right back to the bare bones If if this is down to the death now But these two these two parties just are irreconcilable. Yes, one has to go. You're quite right Now you said it's either the directors or it's the union now There's a couple of things that has to happen before The directors go and I just don't see that happening. How do you see it happening? No, I no, no I'm gonna be easy and I think it will end in tears You know, you're right. No, because if witness no, no, no, no, no Here's the thing the conventional wisdom from from cam and maybe a selfish atlb, you know, oh, you know It's a no lose for the other side. See you're assuming the warfare will just roll over No, they won't roll over they're gonna fight to the death. Well, I'm not assuming that at all They'll fight to the death and they'll die like the dinosaurs they are You know, we'll we'll we'll see we'll see Because in the agency what the difference is it's a publicly owned port. That's right. It's a publicly owned port Yeah, for everyone not for the unions We'll see we'll see everybody not the union. We'll see I want to see that Yeah, I hear all the rhetoric from the Like you're just Gekko. You just call yourself Cameron Gekko. See See here's the thing. That's a movie from the 80s. Most people don't remember that. You've got the same view Here's the thing that cam I think is lost No, no, no, no, no, here's the thing along along the way. I think the right have lost New Zealanders believe in fair go. I agree. No, no, they believe they do and that's gotta do it right And that's why you're calling it wrong. I think that that will see is underestimated because they'll say yes The warfare's got to compromise But see I think the port directors have overplayed their hand and I think it sits on the edge And I think your assessment and JT's assessment of mine are all the same But what I think you underestimate which you may be right But I think what you're underestimate my 18 is the public factor No, I'm not as underestimate yet a march and you scraped up 5 000 people More people went to pacifica that weekend than then went to support when's the last summer right wing march got more than a thousand Yes, anti-smackers didn't even get a thousand Boob's on bikes got a hundred thousand Boob's on bikes got a hundred thousand people in clean street and man's got five thousand There's the public Hang on he put about a couple hundred grand into the march. How many people did he get JT? Five thousand The guy's been to million dollars coming last can can can you please stop So I just say please stop because I just sort of think they're people, you know, we're just being silly The thing is you shouldn't compare we shouldn't degenerate To a people who come out to sport a group of workers on strike in five thousand. I think is actually the no No, no, no, let me finish is the biggest March this country's ever had in terms of supporting a group of workers in the dispute But look, I'm not trying to think but the index say oh, what should be compared with with with other types of marches I think it's just not compare an apple. Okay. We've got to take another break. I'll 800 radio live Only seven percent of you only seven percent of you know Seven and dropping john talk to uh, who do you want to talk to john? John john is john gone Oh, I missed him. John, where you going? I've got a comment to make but tisley Can you please explain to me the last ruling by the employment court regarding the ports? Uh, well, we can't go quickly matt. There hasn't been a ruling there hasn't been a ruling there is I thought they said they told them to go back to work and then negotiate since to start Um, they said is that the employer should be letting them back to work But the employer used some excuses about health and safety wasn't very good And so what the employer said is that we'll pay them uh to stay out because what the employer is actually doing Everyone always is growing up. They're waiting for their they had to give two weeks note our notice to lock them out And so and so what the employers are doing is trying to duck in and dive and dive to get to the two weeks Just running down the clock and they're paying down. Yeah, they're running down the clock and they're paying the workers Yeah, to me the uh management that are running the ports, uh The answer to the employment court is they're giving them the one finger salute. Correct. And that's what they're scared about Yeah, and the council by sitting on their hands are supporting that now that council's local government Now what message is that putting out to the people every day new zealanders if they're not going to abide by a court ruling Why should anyone else? Well, what is even more extraordinary No, no, no, I want I want to say No, no, no, I want to say this jump in there man. No, I will thank you He's he's he's he's the thing When the court ruled the workers are going to work they weren't turn up to work The bosses then put security guards on the gate. This is after the bosses are going. Oh, you know the economic ruin to the city We can't we only made a half of these workers are holding the We only made a half a million dollars So then Come on So then when the workers say we're coming back to work because the court is ruled for us to go back They they put security guards and say you're not to come in. No, they're violent. No, no, no No, no, and then I'm going to swallow out because this is the main point The cops turn up with three paddy. Where where where where wagons the companies gets You know, they back the company they say to the workers any of you go back to work or try to go back to work We're going to arrest you and we've got three paddy wagons here And it's extraordinary things the court rules the workers go back to work The bosses then break the law and say we're not letting them back and the cops turn up and say if you try and get back The bosses never break them. They can't break the law. There's health and safety You've got one of the one of the one of the union's negotiators Got sacked because he threw twist locks under the wheel of austral crumb. Oh rubbish It's it's in the employment court. Tony get a No, you see them Tony get a We're good. Yeah Yeah, yeah, just talking about the ports. I've been a I've been working down there for a few years now for a couple of years and um late They're going on about profitability down and productivity down on that all last year the year before the company's coming out with Shouts and and profit barbies and all sorts of things over there Oh another man's member and now here Hello, you carry on Tony. Yeah, you're talking brilliant talking to a radio therapy here Radio therapy Yeah, you know They say they're Aucklanders Aucklanders are supporting the pork workers You know, you just need to come down to the brickhead and and like they're 5,000 5,000 marches. I mean you got one Person in your career. They're saying what insignificant turnout, baby. That's supporting 200 workers 5,000 people No, that's john tummerhead. He's a disgrace. No, that's that's 200. That's 200 workers 200 now not 300 100 are gone Obviously, so what you're saying is go to hell Cameron and john tummerhead here, right? John only got a job because he only got a job because it's Cameron He needs to have a job because of you Kelsey No, they needed they needed they needed a Fijian to balance the three marry So they got me married married married Oh, but that is oh, yeah. Wow. That sounds good. Where you go, bro? Um, yeah, yeah, I'm just ringing because I've returned uh from the picket at Auckland city One of five people that's manica. Well, actually that's not quite true that uh at the beginning There was uh two people but as the meeting progressed over 60 people And uh representatives of all sorts of community organizations and groups and the general public And you know what the question has been asked here. Who is running this city? Uh in the terms of the port of Auckland and in terms of our democratically owned publicly owned utility Our mayor is our mayor is lembran doing a great job. How many doing a great job coming from two scum buckets. He didn't vote for him Exactly. He's doing He's doing a great job Lembran's doing a great job, isn't he John? He's actually following the law. I shouldn't have voted for banks They're certainly abdicating They're they're they're they're democratic. Oh, it's tremendous to face you look after a publicly owned. No, no He's following the law brown as a dictator unelected appointee is made by uh, uh, that's tammy here. He's one of those all right Good man. Yeah, clean brown can go jump in the lake. I owe 800 radio. He's talking about you john Radio live with willian jt Part of it join the debate Oh, 800 7 23 4 6 5 oh 800 radio live. Yes, that's the number We were with the rotten right filthy right tammy head and slater and the lovely left Matt mccartan and myself Cameron Hoskins is on the take so they're saying Um jt jt said he's corrupt don't he says he should go from this is jt the unelected person on the council getting Shrugged loads of money You're just envious talking about corruption. So no, he's saying it's corruption Do you are you offended by what huskings is doing on uh on the other channel? Look, I wish I could sponsors out there that were throwing bucket loads Editorial policy is compromised Cameron. Do you not get this? Well every radio station carries ads God, he's not what pays your bill He's not can he's not getting paid on maritone maritone union. Can I just say yeah, yes It's corrupt in the sense of that. It's not declared. It's acceptable corruption. This is someone. No, no, it's not on any See what what they parade is So is it like, you know not paying your tax you can you could think no no because that's a different thing and he's just been Shut up Cameron. The thing is that what we've got is we've got people who Are portraying themselves as independent and and and about opinions which people have been asked to trust You know and you trust in what you've been told If you know that person's also being paid by someone or an organization of which they are reporting on And you didn't know would you feel that you have been stiffed? The answer is yes And that's the problem. It's not they take the money every they're gonna make it a little bit. Yes Yes, I know but it's different when your news or Organization you're selling advertising like they do on the show to pay the bills It's declared what we've got here is you've got people who are trusted and are promoted as celebrities as faces You can trust Meanwhile, even unknown to their own employer and some of them have not told the employer. They're getting No, I get that whenever I've worked in sales All my contracts in sales have always included a provision of of Forbidding secret commissions and it happens a lot in out there and especially in technology where you In a position where you can influence the purchasing of particular No, no, no So what I'm saying is that on that level and what Matt's talking about there in terms of a Undeclared commission if it was all up front. Yes, our people get this this this We've got no issue there, but this is really really hard for all media organizations that take advertising that They stand accused Often of going soft on a particular Up in the last minute or so because your mate's all confused. You know, no, look No, no, I think I think Matt McCartney put it in the right way The problem you've got you've probably got with um, uh, Mike Hoskins is particularly with sky city One no no one he winds and dines down there for free He continues to advance it as a mecca for tourism It's got major resource applications going before Auckland city and the government over Significant support for a 750 seat theater and you've got a major broadcaster on the take without disclosing it Advancing that without asking robust questions. That's just unacceptable Yeah, and and it's not about radio life at all because jay-t's put the boot into poor Henry too, mr. Slater Yeah, we made sure he got the sack from here didn't we will The difference he got a bonus going across Australia ran him out of town. That was shameful the way he was run out of town Yeah, he's even making what was more shameful was unions that organized it For having someone sacked because of a personal opinion. I didn't be shocking. Matt and I supported him not us I saw the unite banners out there. Well, that's not Matt. He's going upwards. They're opposed to racism You see, he is my thing. How come you're supporting months? How come you're supporting mum? I want to talk about Let's talk about that Be be be because you're not going to get away with a cheap shot. There's not a cheap Quickly when poor Henry puts the boot into the shop key key, but that's okay puts it into the The guard are the governor general. That's when the ruling class get upset. That's right. What about The average worker they don't care about. What about what about the racism of mums and what's our union? That's why our union No, no, they want some tokylown workers there Graham McKean Shame on them. It's shocking. Shame on you too. It's shocking That's Cameron Slate. Thank you for coming in though. No problem mate. That's Cameron Slate. I like hooters on the way out Good luck you boys. Thanks, killed it. See you tomorrow