 Okay, here we are. Welcome everybody is Monday December 12, 2022 and pursuant to chapter 20 of the acts of 2021 and extended by chapter 22 of the acts of 2022. Thank you. This meeting will be conducted via remote means members of the public who wish to access the meeting may do so via zoom or telephone, no in person attendance of members of the public will be permitted. But every effort will be made to ensure that the public can adequately access the proceedings in real time via technological means. There's a zoom link to join and telephone number to join the meeting. They're either here or they're not right to join the meeting by telephone call 301-715-8592 and enter the webinar ID when prompted. At the meeting the design review board will conduct the following business. We'll have a roll call. And review three applications. On DRB FY 2023 number 11 to review the proposed signage for a new restaurant called Royal chicken and kebab. Number 12 pioneer valley signs and number 13 from the town of Amherst. We will then move on to approval of meeting minutes, then general public comment and other business before adjourning. Yep. All right, so now I will call the role. And if you are here please indicate by saying I Catherine Porter here. Tom Long. Hi. Becky Longwood. Hi. Thank you. And Lindsay schnarr. Is not present. Did I miss anybody. And Erica's because I'm here. For the record, Maureen Pollack, our staff representative is here and this is her last meeting and we wanted to extend our gratitude for her care and feeding over the last many years. We will miss you. Okay, so our first applicant tonight, Maureen. And Maureen, we can hear you. I think you have to be closer to your mic in this setup. Yeah, that sounds good. I couldn't hear you at all. Again, is it better? Better or worse. That's better. I think I just had to adjust it. Sorry about that. So the first applicant here, or application is, is to review the proposed signage for a new restaurant called Royal chicken and kebab, located at one a bullet would walk. And in the applicant's name is Robbie Colom. And let's see if they're in attendance. If you are, could you raise your hand. I'm not, I'm not sure if that person is here. Two members of the public present one is deaf is a staff member so it's not him and then Bernice maybe maybe they're here for a different matter so I could go ahead and share my screen. And we can provide you can provide a review and recommendations without them here. And then you can forward them along to the building commissioner so let me just pull this up. So this is the proposal is to scroll up is to install a single sided light box in the overhang of the restaurant, replacing the current panel. And this is in the rare of behind the boat would the garage on the rear side of the buildings. And this is where this new restaurant would be located with the signage, and I did email them and asked them if they were providing any like lettering or decals or logos or what have you in the windows of the door or the window and they said not this time. Okay, so and I saw that you also in the in the in the packet materials packet online indicate that you shared an email exchange from the owner. And you about the height of the sign. Oh that's for the next one. That's for the next one. Okay. All right. So, here we have it. Black framed sign above the door does anybody want to share a comment or question. Well right off hand. Excuse me. I'm not attracted to it. I don't think it's an attractive sign, but I maybe others couldn't add something to either convince me it is, or suggest something that might make it more appealing or just something about it. I don't think it's aesthetically pleasing, but that's what they like and you all like it. I'm fine. I don't remember whether that lights up or not. Single lighted sign, I think it's going to be lighted from the interior projecting out probably the widest translucent Tom. Yeah I mean, you know I mean I agree with Catherine and I think one of the problems we run into is that sometimes these are their logos and they're not all good. And it's hard to critique a bad logo, because this could be on menus this could be elsewhere this could be on a website and it's not really doesn't move us to start to control people's logos. I do think that the sign can use some space with the logo could use some space around it. I don't think it's going to maximize the size of that but it feels really crowded but otherwise, like, yes don't love it but also don't really love them. The other logos in the downtown area but we can't we can't change that. So this is not the logo for me as that chicken and kebab in the red background. I don't know whether maybe instead of having all caps, have maybe have some lower case in there or different color. I didn't, I didn't look them up to see, like, if that is in fact part of the logo or if it's just a convenient way for them to, to say what they're serving. But I think, given that this is what they're suggesting, we could suggest using lower case, if it is not their current logo. I do think it kind of it becomes a slippery slope if it's their logo I would say that we should probably steer very clear of it but it's not that we might make a suggestion. I think Tom suggestion of shrinking the whole thing, just a little bit to introduce some more white space around the text is a good idea, it would make it a little less a little softer. Yeah, I can't find a website for them at the moment. I'm trying to hunt it down, but I mean it would be helpful to see those on their website. Yeah. Yeah. It looks like the. The designer architect is from Sinorama. And we don't know where I know who the applicant is I don't know if they're part of the sign company, or if they're restaurant. There's another way of figuring it out. I don't know. I mean I think that probably a number of things that we could suggest you know maybe instead of red behind the chicken and kebab it's orange to match the flame or we could do, but it's kind of to me it's a bit of a slippery slope, we don't know. Yeah. Do we know if it's a chain or this is one end of this is one. It's not, it's not coming up. Yeah, I'm trying to find it in Amherst and then I'm trying to find it regionally and I can't locate it so. Well, I couldn't find it. Perhaps if there is, if this is the sort of sole location, you could put that in your like record if you want to have recommendations. You could say, you know, you know, unless unless this is part of a whole brand, like an established branding package, could you change the color to orange to match the flame and reduce the scale portions of the. Yeah, or maybe put the, you know, some towns do make McDonald's scale back their science. Yeah, I mean, we would never McDonald's would never change their logo. So I think like part of it is like we can we can tell them to make it smaller, just kind of what I was saying, but we can't make them change it if it's if it's part of their brand so I agree. And I think we could come up if this isn't your, your logo like what are some recommendations I mean, I'm a little worried. Erica that if that red goes to orange that the white text is not going to be all that legible. I agree. I hear you. All right, so we have, I think we're hearing a little bit of consensus around a tier one. They should reduce the whole thing how do we define my. Before a white border around. Between the long ends at the R and B. And then tier two is additional recommendations. So I'm hearing a few things have come up Catherine suggested maybe upper and lower case for chicken and kebab. Or how about a black lettering for chicken and kebab. That's what's bothering me is the white lettering. So I don't know maybe that. What do you all think about having the letter in black to go with the royal black. In that case, I would probably recommend that the red go to yellow or orange. Yeah, yeah. It's just something not right about it. Yeah, let's feel a little out of them out of the left field. Yeah, it's just. Of course, it's not in a very significant place. But it will face anybody. It's coming through there. But even so, our job I think is to try to offer best suggestions we can. I want one more time, but the letters you want the chicken kebab letters to be black on an orange field. On orange field. Yeah, like the box, the box. Oh, so have the, the background not read but orange. Yeah, that's also part of it it's very like aggressive is a wrong word but it's very in your face. It's just disorient when it's orange and black it'll just feel really seamless and probably less offensive. Yeah, and keep in mind these recommendations are for the building commissioner so I believe maybe they need a building permit or article 14. And so the board can say, you know, the building commissioner will have those conversations about, you know, if this is a chain and this is going to totally ruin their branding scheme or, or if, or if with the applicant be agreeable to the DRB recommendations. Yeah, I appreciate that. Is there any additional discussion on on the sign. Is this where the other one was the other chicken place. Yeah. Whitehead before it. Yeah. All right, but that somebody like to indicate a make a motion. Yeah, I'll move to approve with the. Let's say the recommendations noted by Maureen. Yeah. And a second. I'll second that. Great. Thank you. All those in favor. Raise your hands. Say hi. Great. Thanks brain. Okay, so next, we have the agenda is a Pioneer Valley signs to review the proposed signage for a new medical office called Cambridge bio therapies located at seven North Pleasant Street. And I believe we have someone in attendance. Let's see here. If they could raise their hand if they're. Yes. Okay, so it looks like Bernice I'm going to make you a panelist just one moment. Yes, if you could, if it's possible to turn your video on and then introduce your name and and in your affiliation and what you're proposing. Hi, I'm Lisa young with Pioneer Valley signs. So we are proposing to do a flag mount sign. I guess you all probably have a picture of that. Yep. So, there was a question at the height of where it would be from the ground up. And I'll make it 10 feet high up off the ground if that's what we need to make it. I would put it at 96 inches, but I could make it higher than that if we needed to. Just one second. So, per building inspector Dave Cody's recommendation he suggests raising the proposed sign to be at least 96 inches above the sidewalk to the bottom of the sign. So it meets. It's not projecting into the sidewalk and it becomes is not an issue with MAA be regulations, I just wanted to show that. And I think code code allows it to be a little bit lower but you also want to avoid people like reaching up and whacking absolutely six is a good, good height. And then the question becomes, can it align with other things so I should allow my colleagues does anybody want to begin conversation about this. Are there any other signs on the street that are standouts like that. I know around the corner we have several, but I'm north pleasant. Do we have any others. I didn't notice any. Okay. Yeah, you know what, I do think that. The place that was the monkey bar, I think they have a blade they used to have a blade sign. I don't know if that's there anymore. Yeah, I did some changes. Yeah, and I think it's close enough to the corner that if you're standing on the corner you'd see the blade signs both down Pleasant Street and Main Street so I don't know. So. I mean in 96 sounds pretty reasonable and I'm not sure there's a lot going on that it would need to like totally align with next to it. I'm going to look at the facades so I don't, I don't, I feel like if we're just meeting regulation, then I feel like it's okay. Yeah, it'll look nice. It's good looking sign. But yeah. Yeah. Oh, the blades here actually, well, an army. Yeah. Then they're one down the street. Yeah, I can definitely sort of visualize what you're talking about. All right, no. It could also be the side of the awning or something we're seeing but yeah, I mean this isn't much matter. You're not really trying to align with anything. Maureen, pause where you are. Yep. Hold on, let me, let me just draw. It is up here. Zoom out. It's up here. Weird but true. I don't know who sees that. I guess if you're walking though, all that walking traffic, you know, well the awnings are there so I just went yeah I guess. I don't see it for pretty far away. Yeah, but yeah, I know I don't I have no problem at all with blade signs downtown so I'm okay with that and Maureen, if you want to head back up the road. For me, you know, I think it's in a pretty open spot in the sense that there's, there's not a lot of like really important elements that I want it to align with like even the doorway is way too tall for it to try to rely on. Maureen, we need to be ourselves here. Probably the top of the door, the smaller door in the, in the opening. There's another one. Oh yeah. I don't know if I'm still there. Hold on, sorry. I feel like I'm driving. Hold on, I gotta. You're a bad driver. I can't recall, you know, I. Lincoln's still there. They haven't. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's fine. I think I like the color, and I like the concept of having it there. I think it's quite attractive. Yeah. I mean, I think it's a good thing to do against the red sport. It personally drives me nuts that there's three letters in the middle. I like, I just, I just, I can't deal and I really want them to swap med management for TMS. So that it could be at the bottom and it would feel a little bit more aesthetically pleasing. But having it, I mean, I understand if it's the second most important thing from a marketing perspective. But if it's not, I'd love to see it go to the bottom. And I think I would feel more comfortable with that, but that's just more of a personal OCD thing. Don't you like the balance? Sure. It's funny, you know, it's graphically, it's like it really reinforces the center line, which then makes the Cambridge feel like it's out of alignment. I think it's fine. It's lovely. I think that, and this may just be a question of scale and pixels, but I find that biotherapies and Cambridge are a little pale. I don't know if it's on the sign that the stroke weight is low and so the contrast isn't very high. That's their logo. Yeah, we didn't distort that. And they picked the fonts. So we'll all throw the med management in the middle and the TMS and I'll throw that to them and see what we got. The font size by like five points. Just to get a little more blue around them to give a little more space. Reduce the font size. Just the three therapies, the ketamine therapy. It'll be legible from that distance. Yes. By a point five points. I don't know. I was just a little bit like a little bit percent something. Are there, you had one other recommendation. Were there any. Like the Catherine like that. Yeah. Just about swap TMS and management was Tom's. Yep. Okay. Fantastic. Is there anything, is there anything we missed Becky? Did you want to add anything? Oh, you're muted. I saw you leaning in. I thought maybe you had some. I think highlighting the bio therapist is a little hard to see. And that's important. I kind of looked at it and said, yeah, I don't know what that is. You know, a quick glance. I mean, if I were closer and left, of course, I'd see it. My sense is that it's probably when, I mean, it's, it's probably the light or even ultra light, but I still think on a blue background when the light hits it, I think it's going to be totally legible. You know, it's going to be small and understated, but it'll be legible. I think I'm curious if it will be illuminated enough. Legible. I know it's not illuminated, but will there be enough light to see it? Because whether adjacent lights, street lights, downcast. I bet those street lights will light it up. Yeah, because that corner, it's right on that corner. I'm just, I'm going through Google looking for where the actual lights are. They're pretty high up. Or maybe this, this store next door, if they're awning lights up, it might even illuminate that too. You know. Yeah, I mean, I don't necessarily think it's your, it's not your problem. I'm just curious, because a lot of them are illuminated down the street. But it's mostly a daytime, actually, for the most part, a daytime business. Not too concerned, except for right about now, when it's four o'clock and it's dark. All right, well, there isn't any other additional discussion. Should we move to. Sure. I'll move to approve with the noted recommendations of the typography and height adjustments. Anything else noted by Maureen? And it should be 60, 96 inches above. Yes, please. The bottom of the sign 96 inches above the sidewalk. I second that. Great. Thank you. All right, everyone in favor then please say hi. Hi. Hi. Thank you. Thank you. Nice to meet you. Okay, so now last but not least. We have Jeremiah LaPlante, who is, works for the town. I'm going to make Jeremiah. I'm going to make you a panelist just one moment. And Jeremiah either is it at the office? Or he's. No. This is my virtual background. So it looks like I'm at the office. Brilliant. So let's, I'm opening up the agenda one more time. So Jeremiah is here to have you all review the proposed. Metal siding on the building walls at the North fire station at 603 East. So I'm happy to share my screen Jeremiah, or if you have it up. I don't. Yeah, if you could share if that would be great. Oh, one more time. Nope. This will be my last sharing screen. The DRB. Okay. Hold on a second. I haven't pulled up. Okay, so it does everyone know where the North fire station is? Sure. Okay. Take it away, Jeremiah. All right. So one of the projects that I've been working on with the fire department was to get some new siding on the North fire station. And that picture above that we see behind that, or there is like a T 111. It's a common material you would see on maybe sheds or, or it's that that type of a structure anyhow. Marine grade T 111 is essentially dried out. It really doesn't hold paint any well, and a lot of the paint has been chipping, even with it being maintained. So what we're trying to do is update that siding as well as just to create a little bit more curbside appeal for the building. And that would be with, with some color change right now and from what we're hearing. The building isn't very well known in a way. It's not, it's not well seen from this from the street side so by by giving in a little bit more, more color a little bit more contrast we can, we can draw some, some attention to the building. Here's, yeah, you'll see all four sides and you can see how much of the building. So that darker gray is where there, there would be the metal siding would go so it's, it's, it's not a lot, but it's certainly by changing it to that deeper red it really does change the overall look of the building. So here are the colors. So the, the, the contractor that that we had hired or is going to be using this fridger steel steel material, and it comes in all of these colors. And with speaking with the assistant chiefs and chief and, and some of the captains we we've sort of come up with this colonial red. It's super bright red but but I think it looks nice. There was a couple of second and third favorites but this is the one that seemed predominantly everyone enjoyed and see the overall. Yeah, and where you see that sort of black shading above the garage Bay doors apparatus Bay, that's where their sign is now. So any of those, those fixtures would just be, you know, removed for the siding installation and put back on. And I have, I'm looking at the Google Street view on my other screen and it's like you said it's the TP 111 but it's white right now. Yeah, it is it is really it's really light. Yeah, like a dover dover white or something like that. Does this building have the zipping historic registry and anyway. I mean it's got to be over 50 years old right. Or do something. Yeah, yeah, we're probably approaching that. Yes. Well that's an interesting question. I mean I think it's a it's a brutalist building from a period. The only thing hanging me up right now is like I actually like the red I think the red is great it turns distances Bernard shimmy building it's kind of cool. I like it a lot. I just, I wonder, I wonder if there are voices out there, people who want to can like preserve this kind of thing and whether we've talked to those people or something we should be concerned about. Oh, how. Well, that could be part of your recommendation that that I think. Yep. I mean you mass obviously has done a great deal of work and this is not a UMass building but it's adjacent to it and as part of that. Array of buildings from that era that treating it with blocks and just making sure that this is not stepping on its toes, if you will, because I agree with Tom I think that the, it gets a fire station that's read it calls attention does all the things that you're mentioning Jeremiah but we probably want to make sure that we're acknowledging it's architectural significant. Yeah, you know the town obviously has a historic commission and you know you, you as we have a member of the historic commission on the panel. So I just wanted to say that the historic commission has worked for a really long time to change the guidelines and I'm not sure when this is effective but we are changing to 75 years. I'm just not exactly sure when. And so that might be something we could check. Because then it's a new point if it's expected now. So Becky go ahead and finish and then Tom. Yeah, I was just going to say I mean if there's concern about historic value, you can certainly take it to the commission and have them lay it. I think I'm new to this so tell me if that's a possibility or not. Yeah, I think we could refer it if we felt like we needed to. Yeah, that was my thought to that Becky even if it wasn't I just, I look at like the front entry and like there's. It seems like it has significance to me in the sense that I recognize the period it's from I recognize all of the details and why they're there. And I can tie this back to the broader buildings to other buildings on campus like there's an aesthetic here that is so part of the DNA of this area and then you know the campus and then the adjacency of the other buildings is that I would love for the historic work to look at it, but I mean Jeremiah you have my support if they say sure you can do that. You have my full support for that so I think my thinking would be to recommend it to you to approve it with the approval of the historic board. Do you have any thoughts on this. No, I like the red and I can see checking it out I remember that discussion at the planning board. And also the fact that the police, you know, in a way I don't get too cute here but the police station is right across the street, and I drive by this, this is my corner. I've been by this a zillion times. It just sort of the. Yeah, so we have the red brick there and and I. So in a way, it would have a nice compliment. The red would have a nice compliment to the police station if you want to get really cute about it but yeah I agree with what Tom has said let's see if there is any historical. If there is any concern, though I, as I remember Becky when you were saying that I remember that discussion of putting it to 75 years so it may be a new issue but I think to be sensitive, it wouldn't be too much of a challenge to check it out. And I think it could be, it could just be, it might not be a time period that is relevant but maybe it's the architect, maybe there's something significant about it that we don't know. And that's my concern is that I don't know so I don't feel like I should know and I wish my colleagues were still in the building tonight as Steve Schreiber would know for sure. All right. So it's of course, historic buildings can be renovated, mindfully and thoughtfully so I think you're hearing, I'm hearing from the DRB tonight that we all like the red but we'd like this to be run past the historic commission prior to approval. So I would make that referral. Have them here at first and then we will give it a quick thumbs up. If they're fine with it as presented. Yes, you feel like this would need to come back. No, that would be the question. Can we can we vote to approve it with the provisional? Yeah, with the review and approval of the historic commission. And then somebody could check out who the architect is to see if there's a significant there. I can look it up. I believe I have the some of the plans. I don't know what was on the campus. You're giving me a greater appreciation of it to me it's just this fire station. Now that it's to us. Miles to see buildings like this. Gathering. There's tours that walk around this campus to look at buildings that most people ignore on purpose. So I'll have to pay more attention now. I always like to think that whoever designed the Nissan cube saw the front of the fire station because the front window is very similar to the Nissan cubes. So, um, a motion from somebody on that. Make a motion city. Was that a motion. I think it was a motion but I can say one more time. So we have moved to approve the changes to the exterior, the red color, pending the approval of historic commission. Fantastic. And then all those in favor, please say hi. Great. We've got it. Referred. So referred. Thank you. Sorry, we couldn't get this done for you today. That's quite all right. I just feel like I'm just a little little uncomfortable with it. Very good catch. Those are very good. Fine. So go very quickly. All right. Now we have four rounds of meeting minutes. If there was anybody from the public, would we want to spare them. This. Oh, it looks like the applicant for. The chicken for the. Royal. So good, good news. Do we want to have this person speak or I could just review the recommendations for their benefit. Or would you like them to speak? What were the recommendations? It was to add more of a white border. Especially to the left in the right in the. In the bottom and then provide black lettering. Should we just pull it up? Would it be helpful? Yeah, I think that. Given that the. I know we've already had the discussion, but we did have a fundamental question, which was whether this was their logo. Or it was a sign. It did, you know, kind of accumulated some additional information. So. If they could answer that for us, that would be great. Hi there. This is. Raffi. You're muted. I apologize. Guys, how are you? Hi. Thanks for getting here. We already had a discussion about your project. About your sign, but we did have a, have a question for you. Sure thing. And we, we have some recommendations, but we had a question first and that is. Is. All of the texts that we're seeing. Your logo. Correct. So Royal with chicken and kebab in a red rectangle as your logo, or is it just Royal with chicken and kebab in a red rectangle as your logo or is it just Royal with chicken and kebab in a red rectangle as your logo, or is it just Royal and. No, it's actually Royal. So the way my logo is, is actually what's supposed to be. So Royal up top and the chicken and kebab underneath, but since the way the sign is like it's so narrow, that's the way it had to come out. Is that because you're using an existing sign and you're just putting in a panel kind of. No, so basically like if you see in the picture from where the staircases to where the bottom of the sign is. So from my understanding, I believe they said has to be a height clearance. So that's the reason why we had to go that route. Yeah. Oh, can I, can I just have you clarify that that whole sign, then is your logo. Correct. Okay. Okay. And typically that would just be underneath it, right? Yeah, so basically it would be Royal chicken and kebab. Right. So it would be a lot smaller in comparison, typically. Yeah. If I have my other phone, it's all right. Our question, our question came up because we wanted to try to figure out. How we could, if there are ways to aesthetically improve where we arrange things. But what we don't want to do is mess with clients or. The community members logos, because those are important parts of your brand and we want to be consistent. So, I mean, Sorry. I wouldn't mind of taking, you know, feedbacks from you guys, see where, you know, That'd be great. But other than the way the sign designer, he tried to work it out. So he's like, there's really not much of a wiggle room. So other than that, that's what we came up with. Yeah. Well, one of the recommendations we had keeping this piece of art as is, was to give it some a little bit of space. And we understand we want to try to maximize the size of the type, but it feels like it's encroaching a little bit too much on the edges and it would probably be a lot more comfortable and a lot more aesthetically pleasing. If it had a little bit more space on the side and the bottom to breathe a little bit more like it does on the top. So I think for my understanding, I believe that's how like the previous, the last two previous owners that had this space, I believe it was WhiteHut and the Honeycrisp. I believe they have their sign or their logo, the way it is, like from this lengthwise, but coming to the height can't really don't have much. So if you just imagine taking the whole, like all of the text, it's this big, just make it a little bit smaller, just so that we see a little bit more white around the letters. So it won't change the shape of it. You could just kind of shrink it just a little bit, just the text on the white box. Yeah, you see how you have the white up here? Yeah. We'd like to probably see more of that on the side here and more of that on the bottom here. So that would just mean shrinking this artwork that you have shrinking that down like 10%. Maybe not even, just to give it some more space around it. So basically you guys want to see more white in it? Yeah. It'll make it feel a little bit more balanced and probably less, I don't know, crunched into there. Gotcha. Tom, you know how you showed that visual of a little, oh, you can't see my mouse, but you show the more of a white border on the, on the right at the bottom and also on the left. Yeah. So it'd be just kind of getting a little bit more space. Kind of all around it. It won't require too much. It's a little bit of space here and there, but it'll, it'll make a big difference, I think. Okay. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did we also suggest a different color background and. We did. We were. We were also discussing whether you might like to try a black. Chicken and kebab text on an orange. Rectangle. But given that this is already your artwork. I think we're going to be showing up on menus and things that it's probably not worth changing because we're not trying to suggest that you're changing your, your logo design. Yeah. Yeah. I apologize. I actually had a design designer for me. So we're kind of like past that phase. So like this is what we have approved on. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So then. Yeah, we're back to our tier one. Suggestion. And I think that was it. Maureen, did we forget anything that we had? No, it was just about the sort of board more space. And then, and then the font text. But it was making the white font black and then the background. From red to orange, but it seems like those two items might not be able. Correct. Correct. Yeah. Okay then. Yeah. So the motion stands. We'll get to ignore a tier two. Okay. Thanks. When will you open? Honestly, we're just wrapping up everything. So I didn't actually know. Amherst had a mandate on the gas coming to the gas part. So I had purchased. Equipments and not knowing. There was a mandate on it. So now it's like ran into like a little obstacle, but other than that, we finish our main, you know, cosmetic work part, you know, with designing and stuff like that. Yeah. You know, the moratorium, the gas moratorium is not an Amherst specific thing. The gas company. They put a, they put a moratorium on the gas moratorium. They put a moratorium on a variety of communities, basically in Hampshire County and Franklin County, and perhaps some communities in Hampton, Hampton County. And that's an end result of the pipeline. Yeah. Yeah. Until the gas inspector was here and he was, he had educated me on that course. I was like, I learned something new in this. Yeah. Well, I bought a stove. I did the same thing. I bought a really nice gas stove from my house because we have gas heating and they wouldn't let me plug in my gas stove to my house. So I now have to run a propane tank out in my backyard and power my stove that way. So maybe something to consider. And Mr. If you do intend to put any signage in your windows, like a vinyl sign on the door, anything you, that needs to run. Through this committee as well. So absolutely. I believe. I received an email regarding that as well. Great. Great. Well, we wish you luck. Appreciate it. Good luck. Awesome. Thank you. Thanks. All right. So now some, did anybody read the meeting minutes? Yeah. Wonderful. Can we do them as a batch or do we have to do them as a batch? Yeah. That's a great question. I'm asking because I wasn't here for one or two of them. So that's right. I wasn't either. Oh, right. You might not have been with us yet. We might not be able to vote. We might not have a. I guess we would have. You have to have a quorum of people who are in attendance on that date. No, you don't know. I've dealt with this before. You, you know, you can approve and good faith that, you know, the meeting minutes. We're duly recorded and are reflective. And I believe some of the, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you can approve and good faith that, you know, the meeting minutes. We're duly recorded and are reflective. And I believe some of you were at each of these meetings. Yeah. Yeah. I was there. Yeah. That's true. I'm just doing a quick skim. Yeah. I had missed two back in August and September. Are they. Attendees listed on the minutes. So we would know. Yeah. So. We've been in the planning board. It has been noted that people are allowed to vote on minutes, even if they weren't at that meeting. Really? If they watch. I don't know. I think just reading them and understanding what happened. Okay. I don't get it. Yeah. I think July 7th one, if you guys want a refresher. The one of them was for Lisa. Kent for signage for. Esther Kent family law and meditation, mediation office. And that. That's 17. That's next. Studio space. Yeah. Yeah. And then the next one, it says image one industries. Oh, this was for. Proposed signage for M and T bank. Yeah. At 25 East pleasant street. And then town of Amherst. Oh, wow. For the proposed signage and kiosk for the dog park. Yeah. Well, that's a Dundee. Yeah. Well, no, no, no, no, that's just a temporary. The, the signage out there is just temporary. Well, they have the kiosk though, the key. We've, we've had a big discussion about the kiosk. We did. Already. Okay. All right. And then so that was. That was the July meeting and then whoopsie. And then your notes on that looked accurate. To me. Yeah. Like an accurate representation of the meetings. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was for the one that was for the. You Terry and the U USA church. Right. Yeah. The shingles. Right. Um. Oyster bar. Yep. The oyster bar. And that's when they came back and because they had to, because they needed a new roof and they, they needed a new roof and they needed a new roof. So they had to make the recommendations from the prior time. And so you you had positive recommendations for that. And then this one is for Adam. Bank of America. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. What was that for? Sorry. Uh, to review the proposed exterior light fixtures. adjacent to the bank of America. Atm. Oh, where is that? 75. Oh, yes, yes. Now this is ringing about. Yep. Okay. And then so that was the August meeting. And then September the 28th. It was a quench juice cafe for backlit led wall sign. And then you provided some good some really good recommendations for that. And then Sam dong. Oh, for loud you tongue. I don't know if you guys have seen the wooden elements in the window. They're lovely. Now it's from a follow up meeting and he had the, the signage that he redid the awning. And then add a logo song sign on on the, on the awning itself. It looks quite lovely. I don't know if he's if that restaurant is open yet. And protocol Amherst. That's for the proposed signage and planters for the new planters are up. Yeah, I see. You see them up. Yes. And then. Yeah. That was about the outdoor furniture and then. I thought we made a good suggestion about the positioning of the sign. Yeah. And then so that was September. And then October the 26th. It was a quench bar again. Did we, did I just open the same thing? No, you might have skipped one. Oh, maybe it's the same. No, let's say. Oh, this is interesting. Well, let's ignore this one. Why have that. Wait, what was on the 26. Maybe I saved it wrong. I think it was quench bar and the same dawn was also on that day. Oh, am I just getting confused? Okay. Yeah, because we had the same dawn. He came back for the screen. Oh yeah. He came back. I was at that meeting and he came back from the screen. The last one there was for the spoke, which was the big graphic on the window. Yeah. And then for the Drake. For the. Marky nine. And I was late for this meeting. And so. Was this the one that I was late for? Yeah. Oh yeah. Eric as he goes joined the meeting at this time. Let the meeting minutes reflect that. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So quench came back again or is quench misplaced? Yeah, why is quench up there? Being there twice. Oh, because they came back because they then proposed lettering in the window. Yeah. Okay. So I will ask that staff as they're taking in DRB applications. To just loop back with the applicant if, you know, they're like blade sign or a wall sign, just make sure to ask, well, are they proposing any like lettering in the windows? Or whatnot. Okay. All right. So we've done a quick review of the meeting minutes. Is there any discussion? Does anybody see reason for. Opposing change. Okay. Then is there somebody like to propose approval of. This group of four. I propose that we approve. This group of four minutes. For meetings. Second. Mom seconds. And. Sorry, any further discussion. All those in favor. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. No opposition. Okay. We have approved meeting minutes. I think the only thing remaining on the agenda is. Public comment, but together that nobody's there. Just this five. And no other unanticipated business. Okay. That's it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Our last meeting with. Ah, it's not going to be good. I got it. I must say, and I say this to staff. I really truly enjoy these meetings. I find I'm a visual person. So. I really. All the insightful recommendations. And I've definitely felt like this has been a learning experience. And so now. Yeah. I'm going to look at it with. New. Yeah. With a new lens. And. Yeah. So I really have enjoyed working with you. Well, we've enjoyed having you. I can assure you with that. Yeah. Yeah. I really appreciate how much you've taken care of us and how much communication goes on. Yeah. With the applicants behind the scenes. We know you do that and appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for joining me all to our doorstep. So. Well, thanks, Marine. And thanks everybody for. See you. Enjoy your dinners. Thank you. We have to move to adjourn. Yeah, we have to move to adjourn. All right. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.