 Mm-hmm. Hello, everyone. We are live and we're at a different time if you're watching live than we normally would be Because That's just the way it goes because reasons because we like to change it up Would I like to keep you on your toes? Mostly we wanted Patrick to be awake. Wow that too We wanted Patrick to be on his toes or Well, I'm on my butt. So no So this whole thing was for nothing Damn it I think I am more tired than Patrick even though he's up early in japan Because your mischievous dogs tricked you tricked me into getting up at five They knew that I was was not at home this morning And they knew that I was out of sorts did them a normal clock to look at and they told me it was six And it was only five And they told you it was six. Yeah, they did Like, oh no, dude, it's six. You need to give us our food now And you're awake and you're like, really? Are you sure? Yeah. Yeah, totally sure. Totally sure. Come on It was jango jango was the one whining That's like, oh wow, it seems like kind of dark for six, but okay So where were you palm springs what were you doing in palm springs? Relaxing eileen found a good deal on an air bnb there and we just spent our long holiday weekend Oh, right, of course. Yeah Oh, you did the the headline show. So I didn't realize it was you went away. I did the headline show from Palm Springs Which makes sense. I should have started it live from except Um What mic do you use when you do that? I have a sure pg-48 That I use when I'm on the go because it can take a beating Pg-48 It's actually a public address mic All right. Yeah, I was using uh, there it is Yeah, I was using this kind of thing for a very long time Was using a sanitizer s 815 or something like that They work well. So do you use it with a what an icicle or yeah? I I might I very gently treat my icicle and And use it on the road. It's not it's not very hearty, but if you if you wear velvet gloves And lift it gently out of your case that it can it can hold up right But yeah, I just do that and then record straight in I even brought my c920 in case I was going to do video, but I didn't end up doing video because I didn't want to shower That's that's a good reason Although, you know, the smell doesn't come across really very well through the internet. So no not yet That smell of vision though is another buzzword. We're gonna be talking about on today's show Smell of vision how many times it's been tried. Oh my gosh. I know too many. All right. Yeah, we get this on the road Uh, wait, where are we going? All right, let's go I was born ready Good day. This is the daily tech news show I'm american and this is my best attempt at an austrian accent If you'd like to hear a real austrian accent go to daily tech news show dot com slash support and pledge an amount So peter wells can do a sixth day of dts. Shrimp on the barbie This is the daily tech news for tuesday may 31st 2016. I'm tom married joining me today from japan Mr. Patrick beija. How is it? I'm sorry. I messed up the introduction It's tuesday may 31st 2016 for me. Tom merit. It is actually Wednesday june 1st 2016 for you patrick beija in japan Yes, it's already june, which means that some culture is considered. It's uh summer And uh, so it's it's really more the future even than it usually is A little different season a whole different month It's incredible. Um, it's you know, go ahead and write the email telling me that while actually the season of summer Is generally accepted to begin during the solstice on june 21st or 22nd. That's fine. So we're talking about how we Spiritually consider june to be summer in france. It is absolutely The during the solstice that we you know solstice and and what is it for the other one the equinox equinox That we change seasons However, there are many countries that actually consider the beginning of the season at the beginning of the month And I can tell you that But because it was a strong point of contention with my wife for very long time. There you go. See there you go So this is not averted but at least explained Here here in the united states we can now start wearing white pants because it's after memorial day So have at it white pants owners Meanwhile, we've got headlines to look at Uh, Computex is going on folks intel announced its new 10 core broadwell e-gaming chip New jargon comes free with the chip. Uh turbo boost max technology three Which is a lot of words for the fact that each core on the chip is tested to see if it can safely be pushed past The normal limits gives you some more options. It's a real cool feature. It's just got a laborious name That will stretch the claim 20 to 25 performance increase beyond 20 to 25 percent Four versions of the chip will be available topping out with the 6950 x at 3 gigahertz 25 megabytes of on-board cash ddr 2400 thunderbolt 3.0 and thermal design power of 140 watts all for a thousand seven hundred twenty three dollars That's just the chip not the board Ah, but you can save money on the board because not only the 6950 x but also the 6900 x the 6850 x and the 6800 x are all drop-in replacements for the previous has well e chips as long as the board vendor has the appropriate bios available for you to install Yeah, so those are obviously the kind of thing that is Not very useful for well, I guess it's useful for a limited number of people Usually though those kinds of chips pioneer techniques that are used Later down the line in more affordable reasonable Types of chips so but yeah, these are not going to be so Essentially the power of a server in your gaming rig Then you must pay the thousand seven hundred twenty three dollars for the top of the line 6950 x Yeah, this is choosing to spend money in a lot of ways, but it is a very powerful It is a legitimately powerful chip as well Even if it was ridiculously priced Well, yeah for that price it better be if it wasn't it would be a funny story Uh the european commission Tuesday announced that facebook twitter microsoft and youtube agreed to an eu code of conduct That requires them to review the majority of hateful content The majority of is in quotes. That's exactly what is required So the majority of hateful content online within 24 hours of being notified And remove it if necessary. That's really important the companies, but also must also provide independent counter narratives to hate speech and propaganda They must promote that Independent counter narrative, which again, that's the quote independent counter narrative And I don't think it's a lot more defined than that No, I think the rough idea is somebody else is saying the opposite. So you promote that right? Not that the companies make up their own stuff Exactly, but we don't know where like who how so I have a lot of problems with this With this a code of conduct it's I want to preface this by saying I completely understand that this is a huge problem and even more so I I agree It is a huge problem The the hate speech online and we have a culture where Freedom of speech is counterbalanced by the restriction in certain conditions certain for certain things and hate speeches Definitely one of those however We basically have already put in charge Google we have we have put google in charge of this citing I overemphasize it a little bit, but what we can remember With the right to be forgotten, right? Google is in charge of of seeing you know evaluating the requests for the right to be forgotten and deciding Whether or not they are valid, which to me sounds like the job of a court of law And here we're sort of telling these big us tech companies and you know in europe we have we often have problems with the Foreign tech companies taking so much power in our daily lives And we're asking them now to decide whether or not there's something we can say and So there are many cases where it's going to be a very easy decision But i'm really worried about the cases where it's not going to be an easy decision where there are going to be fuzzy You know Whether or not it it is hate speech or you get my meaning and i know i do In fact in both cases you can appeal the decisions if you don't like what google's doing You can appeal it to a court of law and in this case if they took down something and you thought wait a minute That shouldn't be considered hate speech you could appeal to a court of law But you are putting the first line of enforcement In the hands of private companies to decide The right to be forgotten you're right, but also in this case what is considered Propaganda what is considered terrorism inducing speech? What is considered hate speech set aside for the moment? You know the difficulty of deciding what exactly is hate speech because we all know it when we see it Is not good enough to allow 50,000 different people to decide Uh and i pulled that number out of random error But in other words everybody has a different idea of where the border is We all know we could all probably agree on what is right dead center like yeah that okay That's definitely hate speech, uh, and we could argue whether that should be allowed Some people in the united states feel that even hate speech should be allowed because speech is free and you can counteract it uh It it is unnerving to think that the government is delegating That kind of responsibility to facebook twitter and microsoft not for the taking down But for the look seeking out of it. Yeah, yeah exactly and acquiring them to review that's that suddenly they're not safe harbor anymore Yeah, and to review and and to remove you know and just there's also a huge conversation to have about that independent counter narrative thing Which in principle even having it is weird and then deciding what it it is You know, which one should be selected is that are the governments going to decide? Okay, you can say this and that use these and these and so all of that is also a problem But just to remind people of some of the edge cases You know a couple of times a year We have cases where apple will remove an app from the app store because it doesn't fit their You know their their terms of use and often it can be a A painting that shows Breasts or you know something like that and in europe we're outraged when that happens because we're a little bit more Liberal in that in that area and we don't mind, you know, especially if it's a work of art We really don't mind having it displayed for everyone to see um, so yeah, just They this could be it's all a conversation. Sorry for making it a little bit long, but I I'm very And I'm of two minds. I understand the complexities of it. But yeah, it's a it's a thorny issue Well, and the reason they're doing this and requiring the review to be done by youtube facebook twitter microsoft is because If you have to go to a court It takes a long time and by then the damage is done So if you want to try to get it squelched as fast as possible and also promote independent counter narratives You have to put the power in the hands of the private companies So it's and and to be fair the courts wouldn't have the manpower or you know, the the budgets to Address all of those it's it's thousands and thousands. I'm sure in some instances Periscope's rolling out its own new abuse reporting system along with an app update Tuesday If one viewer reports a comment it gets sent to five other Randomly selected viewers that periscope calls a flash jury I assume that means that they are five alternate earth people with the speed force a jury Of no it's a flash jury. So just random five five other periscope viewers Uh get to review it if three of those five members of the flash jury agree with the original report Then the commenter who made the offending remark gets a one minute time out repeated offenders get muted for the remainder of the stream You know, maybe that could be a solution to um the previous discussion somehow Well, and that is why I brought up the time. They're like, well the courts can't do it. It's too slow Periscope is saying we're not even going to review it We're just going to let the court of public opinion decide because you know What's too slow with a periscope live stream anytime at all because stuff just flies by Uh, which is why they say they're not going to ban people out forever is they're like Well, look, we're hoping to rehabilitate people and get people to realize that if they just keep spouting off stuff like this They'll just keep getting muted There are so many interesting Things being done in that space There's lots of things being tried by riot entertainment of old old companies for their game league of legends Which has a notoriously toxic community and they're trying Super interesting thing um to try and curb that uh, that You know, uh issue So maybe there would be things to do and maybe we're gonna find solutions that satisfy everyone Yeah, a tarry has announced a partnership with french iot company um sick fox to produce a line of internet of things connected devices that will roll out later this year sick fox specializes specializes In iot networking a tarry's press press release said the initial product line will include categories such as home pet lifestyle and safety Venture beat notes sick fox's network currently runs in 18 countries and with around seven million devices I I think this is getting a lot of buzz today because atari right like the the venture beat article makes lots of jokes about centipede and dig dug Uh being implemented somehow in your internet of things devices around the house But it could be a way of rejuvenating a brand I mean the the atari of today as much as they would like to claim the legacy of the atari of the 70s and 80s Is just a company that happens to have that name Uh, it really isn't a legacy of the atari 2600, but wouldn't that be Interesting if it took off and we had a bunch of internet of things devices with that little atari logo on it yeah, I mean Yeah, I I think my comments would be more about the Interest of internet of things things. Um more than atari, but it yeah, exactly Exactly, um, but it does show the power of the atari brand still to this day Even though they haven't done anything spectacular for a long time duo's security released a report tuesday that says acer aces del hp and lenovo all ship Computers with pre-installed software that contains at least one security vulnerability That would allow malware to run at the system level That's uh around 38 million pc shipped by those companies in the first quarter according to idc estimates most common Bug was a lack of tls encryption on updates from the pc makers, which would allow a man in the middle attack duo found 12 bugs half of them high level bugs Most have been fixed though They did say aces and acer have yet to offer updates And they said the safest thing for you to do in all of these cases is to just install a clean version of windows Without any of the vendor provided software In other news water is wet Um, which is something that some you know People might say I think this yeah, don't don't live with the bloatware is definitely a water is wet story I think we all suspected there might be vulnerabilities, but this is the first time someone's did the homework to show it Yeah, and this this is a slightly more alarming level than I would have guessed yeah Uh my space has confirmed that a large set of stolen my space username and unsalted sha one Hasht passwords are being sold in an online forum. It appears to be around Just 360 million accounts from before june 11 2013 That date was when my space began double salting hashes My space has invalidated the stolen passwords and is notifying the users 360 million if this is confirmed, uh, it would be the biggest theft yet That would be record setting And I think the insidious thing about this is most of the people who have their addresses in this account May not even pay attention to the email address they signed up for my space with so even though my space tries to uh to Get in touch with them They may never get The message and yet they may also be recycling those passwords with other accounts. Exactly. Yeah, that's that's the problem I mean hopefully from 2013 from I'm hoping that those accounts weren't created around 2013, but rather I don't know 2006 And uh since then people have started using more complex passwords But if you haven't and you remember opening a myspace account in 2012 for example for some unfathomable reason Um, yeah, look at your password Yeah Uh siren labs launched its android smartphone and an event in london siren has promised to build a phone that had quote The highest privacy settings operated faster than any other phone and built with the best materials from around the world So to that effect it has partnered with coolspan to integrate chip to chip 256 bit aes encryption has a snapdragon 8 10 processor 24 bands of lte 23.8 megapixel camera and a 5.5 inch led 2k screen goes on sale june 1st at mayfair in london and june 30th at harrod's night bridge for $13,800 Okay, so many questions. Uh, is chip to chip yet another buzzword or is that an actual thing? It's an actual thing and it's often used in in military spec and government spec encryption I don't know Who needs it at that price? I don't think it should cost that price Uh, it would be a smaller number of people that really would see the benefit of it But hey, if you're like trust no one man, I want all the protection I can get Uh, sure chip to chip 256 bit aes encryption should be could be one element I think it's maybe overdoing it. It's certainly overcharging for it And don't you need the person you're sending the message or something to to also have this specific folder Or at least have these standards? Well, which are rare. Uh, this is that's the thing This is one tool in your encryption arsenal. It's not going to work for every situation So, yeah If if you're in an enterprise where everybody is buying syrian labs phones for $13,800 Then that's going to maximize the benefit you get from it, but This this is a stunt and honestly what let me down is like, oh sure chip to chip 256 bit encryption Okay, what else a 2k screen? a snapdragon 810 Only 23.8 megapixel. I mean if you're gonna make me pay $13,800 give me a hundred megapixel sensor I don't care if it's not that good Just jack up the specs Put in all the numbers. Yes Uh, I think what they're trying to say is 4k screens aren't ready We gave you the best possible screen, which is a 2k screen, you know of a hundred megapixel sensor Wouldn't actually give you better pictures. So we gave you the optimal level That seems to be their pitch Yeah, yeah, it's I mean some people are gonna have a use for it Obviously when because I don't know this world as well as I should probably what my mind goes to is whistleblowers and people like edwards noden who Had to put together their own air gap computer and things and maybe those can you know can can Do the job Although i'm not sure those whistleblowers would Have enough money to pay that kind of thing. I feel like if you're really Concerned about security you look at the black phone, right? Exactly signal systems This is for someone who wants to be able to say that they had enough money to spend $13,800 on a phone Well, there you go problem solved PayPal announced it will close operations in turkey starting june 6 After being denied a license by the nation's financial regulator The bddk new national regulations require paypal to keep old turkish users information In turkey paypal told tech crunch It use utilizes a global payments platform that operates across more than 200 markets Rather than maintaining local payment platforms with dedicated technology infrastructure in any single country Yeah, this is a disturbing trend that we're starting to see which is Countries we had this in yesterday's headline show Iran Saying that now it will require messaging services to keep all user data within the country turkey saying all payment services Now have to keep user data within the country And you can it's it's easy to come from one side of the other and say oh well It's just countries that that are are being dictatorial that are doing this or to say ah It's it's only countries worried about their privacy after all the surveillance News that we've heard from Edward Snowden and others Both of these things are true But it is a threat to the way the internet works to say oh well data has to be kept in these I don't mean to use the word arbitrary to degrade nation states, but the borders of nations are not natural There's there's there's no good technical reason to follow the border of a nation state So from a technical standpoint, it is not optimal It is an arbitrary border that you would follow and that's why paypal is saying like look We don't maintain local payments platforms with the dedicated technology infrastructure in any single country because that doesn't work Well, that doesn't we're we're a global cloud based system And we want to take advantage of the internet not break it up into small pieces Yeah, and and it's not just turkey and ron as you said there are companies putting their servers in in europe Because of surveillance issues, which you mentioned so it is it is Again, something that I think warrants a lot more thought and discussion and if everyone starts doing it it could be a problem Yeah, I mean europe still hasn't really solved its safe harbor agreement with the united states So all these united states companies are at risk bringing european data over to their servers outside of europe Whether it's in the united states or elsewhere. Yeah, and it's not just that it's also that companies want to you know Commercially you be able to say your data is fine are you know, whatever government doesn't have the legal power to Demand it because it's not on their solar for for example, but it might be a slightly different issue But yeah, microsoft is fighting that over the emails that are on an iris server for instance It is one of those friction points in the development of the internet, which isn't new we've run into it in other situations where having had to travel Through you know across large distances Allowed us to develop policies that were localized and the internet gets rid of those those artificial boundaries and says hey You know everything is available pretty much instantly anywhere on the internet Big thanks to everybody who submits stories on our sub reddit Strike at rich one steve io cap and kipper motang pc guy 80 88 and more in their submitting stories You can submit stories too or just vote or do both at daily tech news show dot reddit.com and that is a look at the headlines So uh computex kicked off today. Well Today for us yesterday for you Oddly enough because it's in taiwan. So it's like 18 hours ago. It kicked off technically anyway compute texas kicked off and like any conference the buzzwords are flying The old wearables is out there still kicking qualcomm leaned into that with a snapdragon 1100 wear chip meant for fitness trackers or watches for the kids and elderly And touting the buzzword battery life with that as well up to seven day battery life on the snapdragon 1100 We're also seeing a lot of vr in everything And we're seeing the ridiculous like that $723 uh desktop processor for gamers So this made patrick think well, okay We've seen a lot of buzzwords rise and fall and it made me think there are about three categories roughly of buzzwords They're the ones that just become normal words and don't seem like buzzwords anymore smartphone as an example of that We just call something a smartphone at one point That was a buzzword for the trios and the things that were smarter than the regular phones Now it's just a word we use Buzzwords that lag behind and they're dumb buzzwords for a long time and then they become real like tablet Like a tablet computer that was just a dumb buzzword referring to an old ces keynote by microsoft Until finally it wasn't and suddenly we have tablet computing and then we have buzzwords that just fail Nobody talks about netbooks anymore. Do they patrick? I don't think uh, thankfully. No, I think that's that's remember hip tops That I don't remember. Yeah, it's too buzzy. Just even for me. That was that one had a very very brief life So the question becomes What about today's buzzwords? Uh, what are their fates? Uh, we talk about AI. We talk about chat bots possibly Let's start with vr though patrick. What is vr? Just going to be one of those buzzwords. We're like, hey, remember when everybody was buying the vibe in the oculus That was funny So that's you know, I think it's a really difficult one to answer because vr is certainly a buzzword But it's also it's it's become a buzz industry at this point. You know, there are so many people investing in it Um, it's it's more than just a simple buzzword. It's uh, it's sparking So much enthusiasm and so much work that it sort of Goes beyond I think the buzzword level. However Um, it is still very difficult to tell. I think this is one of the ones where I wouldn't be comfortable Saying it's going to take off take off and and still be the be here in five or ten years And I would also be hard pressed to say, you know, it's going to die in two years. It's um One of those that Could become something and people are some people are saying it's going to die It's like 3d in tv's and no one cares in in a year and others are saying this is Revolutionizing the way we interact with digital content um The reality is it's too close to cold now. We don't know we're just it's it's so such a different type of interaction That we need to explore it before we can decide. So here's my guess. I'm going to say vr will continue Uh, but it won't it will start to apply to the wrong thing. We'll start to use it The way the way drone applies to quad copters and UAVs of all kinds, even if they're not drones We will start to misuse vr to refer to augmented reality Mixed reality all these attempts to say well, no, we're not really vr Those will be the more successful of the bunch And I think the current vr headsets will kind of move towards that hollow lens magic leap type of form factor But we'll I think we'll continue to call them vr. I think people are just used to that Uh, it's it's possible, but then you're you're you're not answering the question of actual vr What of those those immersive experiences with a headset that cuts you off from they start to become They start to move towards the augmented reality form factor as we see those become more more Ready for so you're you're one of those people you're you're an a r or You're one of the people calling it vr because right Yeah, but I see I don't I don't think a r is uh is is anywhere near ready And I don't think they're they're going to merge. I think those are two very different things, but all right. Let's talk about ai artificial intelligence or machine learning or deep learning Again another situation where the buzzwords This is why we talked buzzwords versus category Ian Ian rightly pointed out It's like netbooks was it just a failed category. It wasn't a buzzword, but People were using netbook like oh, we're we're net we're netbook friendly We're netbook forward they use the category names as buzzwords and I think this is a particular case of that ai just covers The umbrella what what what is ai going to end up being? So this one is interesting because actually I'm sort of I'm gonna short circuit your Your plan a little bit because I'm going to argue that ai and machine learning and and chatbots and all of those are actually facets of the same thing Which is yeah just ai right? And I think this one is a little bit easier I would venture a prediction here and I think those are Absolutely here to stay These are not even buzzwords. It's a new type of computing Which is very difficult to imagine isn't going to be here forever. It's the same. It's basically The same as the virtual assistants, which we've seen around for a little bit and it might take a lot of time but ultimately These are a new computing interface. It's instead of using a mouse and a Keyboard you use your voice and in order for that to work The computer needs to understand you and in order for that to work. It needs to be artificially intelligent, right? And so I really think that those are Manifesting themselves in very different way and lots of different technologies that are converging to make it possible But that I don't see going away anytime soon I You know like anyone when you believe in the technology you start to say it's not a buzzword because that sounds like it's disintegrating But I think ai is a buzzword And ai is much more complicated than just the buzzword ai. There's all different implementations of artificial intelligence some things which aren't actually artificially intelligent get lumped in under there because they are You know beyond the normal capabilities of simply following a logic tree. So You know the fact that we're playing teaching them games and everything is is is fine But I think it's going to be more practical Usage and that's why I think you're right about chat bots chat bots are are using this kind of learning this kind of deep learning To be able to assist us I think we're still a ways down the road from what this will end up being I think chat bots will stick around for a while. I think ai will always be this umbrella term I think there's still some other product And some other buzzword to apply to that name That's yet to come and you can see the dim outline of it with the amazon echo And now the google home and siri and cortana and viv But but none of those are it yet. I think we're circling around that one still So do you think that ultimately Those are going to end up turning into Forms of computers that can assist us through conversational Interfaces. I wouldn't are we actually basically? So well anything is a computer, but I mean the ultimate question is are we going to get uh Form are we going to get the movie her somehow? Into reality. I don't know if you've seen it, but it's basically ultimate series ultimate ai I think we need to be careful about it. Yes, and I guess I've seen the movie Uh that her ended up sounding like scarlett Johansson and it ultimately just going off to be by herself, right? Rather than than than ruining our lives like in terminator But you know we I read a great article in scientific american today About the fact that look terminator is dumb and silly and that's not what's going to happen We shouldn't assume that machines are going to come out to hurt us But we need to be careful how we program them because if they are intelligent and can start to choose for themselves They may not choose the way we want them to not out of malice But because you know, you know I guess one of the typical arguments is You ask it to go get you coffee and if something gets in its way It will eliminate it in order to retrieve that coffee for you if you weren't to program it correctly, right? You have you have to be able to say well, you know You should try to understand human nature, but you should never be certain That you understand human nature to the point where you start to make decisions about things that you shouldn't Right. So the laws the three laws of robotic are important to me. Three laws of robotics don't apply But there are there are three other laws that are that are pretty good there Three laws of robotics cause their own problems. There's there's like whole dissertations about that That that's true, but you didn't answer the question though You sort of circumnavigated around it and you didn't say whether or not we are going to get that kind Are are we going to get intel? Yeah that application that will that will be like her Uh, I think I think could happen. Yeah at some point whether it will actually have that kind of consciousness And lead to what happens at the end of that movie. No, of course. Yes. That's that's not what i'm talking about But the early capabilities of it. Sure. I think that's possible. Maybe basically what i'm asking you Yeah, yeah, what i'm asking is are are those, you know, siri and google assistant and and kortana and Going to be voiced by scarlett Johansson. Yes Excellent then i'm happy about all of it So I guess our conclusion is that the one that we think is here to stay and isn't the buzzword is AI if you if you encompass all of all of those, uh, you know chatbot and machine I mean, I'd still say they're all buzzwords whether they're here to stare not I think smart home was a buzzword for a long time Yeah, but I think AI will eventually become mainstream even if it gets replaced by different Name potentially. Yeah. Yeah, but let us know what you think smart home phablet dark net bitcoin Uh, what which ones do you think are flashing the pans and which ones will become mainstream? Let us know feedback at daily tech news show dot com got our pick of the day from andy and bright and sunny michigan Uh, this is also a tip for jenny josephson our senior producer since she was asking about tips and using outlook on her windows work PC Outlook has a built-in option to delay delivery Which can be set per email or using a rule for instance If you are in the us and are regularly emailing someone in europe You can make a rule that any email sent to that email address after the end of the european business day will be delayed until the next day You could also make a rule that all outgoing email is delayed five minutes So that when you hit send and realize you said something stupid You can go into the outbooks and stop outbox and stop the email from sending Uh, he's got a link to the knowledge base article about those features It's it's more of a tip of the day than a pick of the day, I guess, but he's saying hey outlook can do a lot of this stuff for you Yeah, I used to um when I I was using gmail a lot as I always am uh, and they have the, um Cancel sending feature. So when I started working, uh in the actual company a few years ago I immediately Applied the delayed delivery option for to outlook just in case, you know the the five Me the sending for the other day is another issue altogether, but five minutes is always a good thing to have Yeah, seriously, uh, trust us There there are definitely if you've ever seen the movie the intern, you know that you need that Send your picks to feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can find more picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks Message of the day comes from mike More on the self-driving cars, uh, you guys continue to be interested in this So I'll pick one we we've got lots of other emails and very thoughtful and good emails from folks Mike says in addition to the unconventional parking scenarios I think the rational need and desire for controls and self-driving cars Boils down to the scenarios when the car doesn't know what to do in these situations I would imagine that the car would stop and signal for attention If you have a robotic vacuum cleaner, you know what I mean at that point The driver would actually drive the car to a location where the automated system could take over again This could be as punctuated as dealing with a specific obstacle or as prolonged as driving in bad weather or on snow-covered streets Yeah, uh, as you know, I've uh, my wife has finished. I spent a lot of my time in Finland now So that's no covered streets issue comes up every time we talk about self-driving cars and Absolutely for some cases is going to be very far away. But I think the the thing is everyone understands. We're going to have a You know, we're not going to take the wheel away for a long time But at some point hope I think self-driving cars the fantasy is that you don't even have a wheel anymore You're just Having fun in your so and that's still ways away. Well, and here's the thing I think I am guilty of this uh, and again scientific american had an article about this same thing So I'm relying on them a little bit today We mix autonomous self-driving and driverless as if they were one technology that we will eventually get They are more than that this article proposes four different ones, but there are multiple versions of this they we will have limited driverless cars within five years On certain stretches of well mapped highway for certain uses. So maybe convoying trucks, etc Or or on campuses where there's limited traffic And it's very easy to know like I need to get from this point to this point You know for campus shuttles or things like that when we get like self-driving cars That we can just jump in and say, you know, take me to Ralph's and it knows where the Ralph's you like to go is and all of that That might be 20 40 75 years Down the road before that is universally available. So, you know, I I'm going to try to be better about Differentiating and saying yeah, there's certain autonomous features that are coming to cars right now And those are going to continue to progress But the ultimate like driverless car that has nobody in it, but me And can just do it all on its own. That's probably Not gonna happen in my lifetime I wouldn't even argue it's a gamut It's it's really hard even to and today we have cars that do some of this right some of them park themselves Some of them will drive on the highway alone, you know in cruise control with lane correction things So it's it we already have the beginnings of the self-driving cars today. So Yeah, and and it won't be a linear progression even though there is a gamut There will be certain Certain situations that can use more advanced technologies because of the limited situation faster Then we'll be able to just on our public streets say, okay now now we can have driverless cars Big thanks to patrick vasia for getting up early We've only got one more week We're going to make you get up super early and then you're back in europe on regular time again So this has been fun though Today it's just Relatively early next week is going to be a little bit more early like waking up at 4 4 30 is going to be a little bit hard I might get you back on europe time before you head home. That's all. Thank you very much. Thank you What do you got going on though? You you have not stopped doing your shows while you've been in japan Oh, no, I've actually done probably more than I Usually do I'm not patrick on twitter and facebook of course, but uh, if you want if you're interested in the shows I do, uh, I would recommend Well the philis club of course is always going and last episode was super fun We had uh discussions about some crazy things happening in france with protests about Bunch of stuff and and basically it led us to a really interesting discussion about the nature of democracy And in more playful news A lot of people are apparently playing overwatch nowadays If you're interested in that game if you want to learn more and you like podcasts You might want to check out overwatchers, which is uh, you're looking around tom. I'm guessing might be a soldier 76 Oh, there you go So yeah overwatchers, uh, which I do uh at a move dot tv is a show all about overwatch So go check it out. Uh a move dot tv overwatchers. 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Yay That's less disgusting Put in all the numbers Hate the hate it's bloatware under the bridge, which is pretty funny Uh jury force Actually, I like jury force, but if it was adjusted they would make even more funny During the flash Change your myspace password, who are we kidding? That's pretty funny. Your privacy cost $14,000 No turkey for paypal Buzzwords lack the buzz after a while buzzwords out loud A jury of your peer risk scope Whoa That one's working hard. I like where it's going. The paypal leave the turkey Finished I like ellie's suggestion Matt Is the new vr Yeah, I disagree with that. So we change it to a question is ar the new vr No, that sounds like the discussion topic is that now you're right that dover promises Uh, the three stages of buzzwords three stages of buzzwords. Not bad. I like that That is pretty funny. Yay Hey skin from chicago Haha Explosive buzzwords. Thank you That only works if you've heard the poster though. Yes. I love as tonic osa says I love these little after show chats Ah, yes So what do you what do you got planned for your last couple weeks there? Uh, nothing much just regular regular living That's boring I apologize. No, I'm just kidding Uh, um, yeah, no, we've done we've done a bunch of stuff already. We're just gonna go back to the places we We like, you know to the It's I think it was just the right I'm already talking about it in the past tense. Um, it's just the right amount of time, um I could go on forever, but sonia is uh, she's just Going to school. She's getting a little bit bored now. So it's the right time to to go back Get back to work and everything Yeah, so and honestly The one thing that I actually miss the most is my gaming pc because this mac is crappy is not a gaming pc It is not no So yeah max are not for gaming Uh, they they almost were for a short period of time um I'm I'm sort of hoping that the ones they're gonna announce uh at in the fall um I'm hoping they have an option to uh, even on the 13 inch to to have a Uh discreet graphics card. Yeah, I would like that but as well Even even not even if it's not a gaming graphics card. Just just give me a real graphics card, man Yeah, exactly. Don't you have a 15 inch though. Yeah, I do For that. Oh, so then you you do have oh for that reason. Okay. Yeah So I I was thinking because I really like the mac for for work um For work stuff, but I was thinking maybe if I um I'm traveling so much it might it might be worth getting a 15 inch But then it's it's so big It's too big, isn't it? It's not really that that bad 17 is way too big Yeah, but I like having the extra screen space and it doesn't add to me. It doesn't add a significant amount of weight. So Yeah, okay Hmm, are you looking to get a mac? I mean, sorry. I just came in but MacBook or do you want a pc's would you go with a pc if it has a four factor? um, I'm not so I like also having a mac and and it's easier to maintain I find but The problem I have with pc's is that If you want one that has a discrete graphics card You're going to end up having a huge power brick and that might sound sound like something silly, but I want the the the laptop to be as portable as possible and the power brick is a deal breaker Yeah, I mean that's that's we're in the site if I mean if You had to supply the juice from somewhere if you're going to get a really powerful discrete GPU Yeah, which is why I think you know the the 15 inch macbook pro has a reasonably sized power thing Um, so I would settle for that. But why did you have something to recommend in? I mean the macbook pros are supposed to be refreshed at the end of this year Exactly. Yeah, that's what I know You know one of the things that a lot of people are kicking around is are they just going to basically try To do what razor and a few other companies have done and put like hey, you can get a super fast powerful gp You just put into a chassis and plug it in via thunderbolt 3 Action, so you still have the portability But if you wanted, you know If you wanted and you had extra 400 bucks to spend you could get an awesome discrete gpu as well No, I don't see apple doing that. I don't see apple doing that at all I think it's it's completely unlike them and it's not it doesn't serve their market at all there If they have an option to have a discrete gpu in their 13 inch that I could see that happening, but uh, uh Outside I mean I'm wondering if one of the people in talking about whether or not they'll go amd with the next gpu because Supposedly Polaris is it Polaris the the latest? Yeah, it's Polaris and Given the the amount of marketing parties they've been doing I'm guessing it's not doing the job at their obscuring the But anyway, sorry keep going I mean The trick is also you're not gonna score someone's legs or or the tabletop or something trying to get the performance to temperature ratio down so you can Do things reasonably quick Uh, without necessarily having this amount of heat That we get I mean my 13 inch macbook pro from 2012 Even when I run this show gets super hot Yeah on the on the on the bottom of it and having a nice aluminum case conducts the heat just that much better To whatever surface it's sitting on I don't know. I mean I I really like it at the same time. I wish I just had a little more oomph to it Yeah, I'm here and patrick echo from your end roger. I think sorry Bring it on the baby I'm exporting I hope that they're wrong about the manumac book pros coming out at the end of the year Because I don't think I can last very much longer with this broken screen Which I guess means I'll have to pay the 300 dollars to get the parts to fix it Yeah, I don't think I mean they would I don't see them announcing them if they have that weird OLED Function key row. Did you see that rumor? Yeah, I saw the rumor. I don't think they would just refresh it I think they would need an announcement and that would mean september Um, well, you mean you don't think they would announce it at w w dc Oh, well, they could but I don't think that's that's the rumor currently Yeah Yeah, they could at w w dc. That would be perfect. Patrick. That's why I'm insisting on this No, I would want them to do that as well because uh, I wouldn't mind I'm I I didn't realize I was going to need The powerfulness of my device so much because I'm traveling too much I mean You can just not use os 10 for a lot of the stuff, but it does work nicely for audio recording Yeah, it's just you know, I I find that I really love my pc, but for some reason I don't honestly if I'm being honest. All right. Do you let's be honest All right tbh I don't really know why I like the mac for my laptop so much I'm not sure you think it's uh psychological Um, I don't think it's psychological. I just think I can't put my finger on it. It's uh It feels Easier to There's less it's less of a hassle with my pc. I'm always Hassling something maybe the chat room can help you understand things go wrong more often on windows It's that you have to tweak things a little more often And I think that is the same difference between android and ios And I think it's simply a function of when you give the user more control There's going to be more situations where the user has to intervene And and so it's the trade-off of I love windows when it's like oh, I can set this up exactly the way I want it But I hate windows when it's like, why isn't this working? Oh, because I forgot to change this setting and this registry and this this and that and so it's both a blessing and a curse That's my theory anyway, but but in theory your windows device you set it up and once it's set up You don't have to change anything. That is so not true. Yeah, exactly Whereas and it's not like os 10 doesn't have two little tweaks and things that I have to track down It doesn't seem to happen as often and again, maybe that's perception But what I will say is my other perception is that os 10 will not let me do things that I want to do quite all yeah, I feel like you're you're sort of automatically mentioning this for To stave off the the people who would say it. No, this is honestly just what I feel This is this is how I feel having like I use both every day No, I understand I understand and and I'm not saying it's not true. It's just in this conversation now It's about why is This you know perception happening not why is One better than the other I think it's the I think it's the control like you can have fewer things Unexpectedly go wrong when you don't give people as much control That's my yeah And I found that I started adding a few little pieces of software here and there on on mac os like there's this piece of thing that that unlocks The mac when I'm close to it with the iphone and stuff like that And those are the ones that are getting me giving me headaches not because they're not working. It's just that Oh, but then you know, I'm not using it anymore So I have to close this thing, but I should uninstall it and then right because the system is not designed To work around that exactly case study. Yeah Yeah, so anyway bottom line is uh for the laptop I'm happy with the mac and I would love for them to announce a new one with uh with graphics cards So you want a 13 inch though, huh? Yeah, I'd rather stay on the 13 inch. It's just more portable, but I'm considering going Going 15. I'm even considering buying a pc But because I'm fatter than you is that why I need the 15 inch? I think you're slimmer than me actually. I don't think so The camera is very slimming. No, it's not Um, yeah, I feel like we lost roger I think explosive diarrhea is what lost him to us I feel bad The chat room is asking how's linux for creating podcasts. I If you're talking about fiddling, I think linux would be a little bit too fiddly But I don't think so the flexibility of windows and even more so macOS. I think is an isn't really Matched with either someone mentioned a chromebook. Obviously that would be the issue I can't produce podcasts with a curve are designed for totally different use cases The fact of the matter is when I use windows versus os 10 Honestly, the one big thing that I miss is a script That alice and charitans friend dorthy wrote that allows me to just batch copy The titles and links from a set of tabs in such a way that I can just paste them right into the google spreadsheet And I've not been able to replicate that on windows It should be able to be replicated on windows But it's a little more difficult to do for some reason So anyway, uh, otherwise it really isn't that different like The large majority of what I do is in a browser anyway, so If I'm running chrome on windows, I'm running chrome on os 10. It doesn't really matter And you don't you don't record Straight from the the hangout or skype conversation. Do you you x i use audio hijack to record the show But yeah, I could get similar programs or even it's a little bit easier to handle the sound cards sometimes depending on what sound card you have in in windows Yeah, I since right into audacity Hmm Yeah, I I started since I I've been using voice meter. Then yes, it is easy to do Use voice meter on windows. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's it's a little bit complicated for what it is I I wish it was a little bit more like audio hijack that I've been using since I've been in japan, but it's super powerful Yeah As often is and then there's better video streaming stuff Like uh obs and oh obs is on mac. I guess that's true Everybody who uses obs I feel like well Scott doesn't but most of people I know use it on windows for some reason Oh, well because they're gamers and yeah, that's why yeah And they need that $1,723 chipset and a and a 1080 gpu from nvidia So I I'm not sure I was thinking I would buy a 1070 but now I think it's too expensive Wait, I mean It'll come down Yeah, but that's always That's why they do that right there. Yeah No, but I mean, yes the the 1070 it's not I mean mid-range. I can imagine paying 300 bucks or 300 euros rather Um 400 or 500 is too much for mid-range uh gpu So all right. I have published the show. I believe successfully. So thank you everyone for watching And we will see you uh the regular time with patrick even sleepier next week. Unfortunately, so be kind and uh, and of course We'll be at the regular time tomorrow with scott johnson. Talk to you then