 Not just at the dark unfiltered and uncensored talk with young alumni of historically black colleges universities Thanks for joining us for another edition here on the series 142 HBC radio network on the campus of Howard University Got frat brother Eric back Always a pleasure to have always a pleasure to have Alpha Phi off in the house and then Tiff as of yet not thrown off the show so It's appropriate to start a conversation about Tiffany's alma mater Which is in the news courtesy of HBC you game day for breaking story about potential or alleged mistreatment of Football players my first year head coach Ron Prince It was significant last week that Standout quarterback Kayla Newton and a couple other players on the bison football team essentially quit and say they were leaving the team and Today we have news from HBC you game day that several parents have complained to administration About player mistreatment Very specific details if you check it out on HBC game day calm About certain remarks Prince was making about player sexuality Accusing them a point-shaving in the first game where they lost what 79 to 0 and some other issues with Failing to give them appropriate medical treatment and some other stuff. So it is certainly not to Cast a negative light on Howard which has indicated that they will be fully Investigating the allegations, but it is to say a couple things. What is your take first of all on the incident? And what do you think that this does for me act football and HBC football at large? So if this is your school, so will we will defer to you for your your commentary You're funny But honestly and I read the letter And clearly I don't talk about sports much, but in this context dealing with what it is I Just think about how people who are Abusive they're not Abusive to everybody, but the people that they tend to not abuse are people Who are in power who can place them in their next row? so Yeah So for me, I'm thinking about Is this his first time and if it's not his first time What's Howard aware? That maybe somewhere else where he was a coach this This was an allegation at some point and it's that that is something that can be easily found and It's easily proving Why did we put him in a position to affect more students like that? But why and why should these these students parents have to step in? We're talking about students who yes their students, but they're also Grown as people Who feel that they can't do or say anything to defend themselves I wish I would get hurt and I wish somebody would tell me I can't go to the hospital I wish I would be dumb enough to tell my parents or my aunt who are doctors that Somebody told me or you're not going nowhere Or it's not that serious Do you know they'll be the water Raquel every day would be right there They don't handle me first make sure I'm good Then they're going to get on whoever and then circle back to me because I dropped the ball on defending myself Well, so no I Would say it's a little bit different from sports and maybe Eric you can weigh in on this and particularly different for Football only because one it's a it's a violent sport and anybody who's ever played it Knows that typically the line that you walk particularly in a conversation with a coach about I can't play is are you injured or are you hurt and If you are hurt depending on the degree of pain You know you're expected to perform if you're injured you physically cannot do it You physically can't make plays you physically can't get out there on the field and Endure repetition. I mean And I'm sure we you know we all know that but I think that in the stage where this is allegations I don't think you've heard from many players yet publicly, you know, either affirming or adding to the story And certainly I don't think that we've heard from coach Prince because he just said I don't know anything about these allegations So, I mean with that in mind Eric, what's your what's your take on it? I Go ahead to what you say outside of that like the Allegations or or talking about or talking to them about their personal life and things like that It's none of your business But if they feel they can't even say it's none of your damn business Because he's their coach because he has all this authority over them. That's also a problem. Why do you care? It could be Eric. What do you think about it? for me the situation is It's a very serious allegation and while that while that's being said it's also very weird and This is not a benefit of the doubt thing because as somebody who's played football before as somebody who's placed force before It's like you said the difference the difference between being injured and being a hurts is very It's almost like mums don't burn because it was some point everybody playing hurt, right? That's the that's the least of thought brothers What is interesting and weird to me is that and I don't want to put all black mothers in the same category, but I Don't know any black mothers that would have since a letter anonymously if their child To this type of tree that's a point. That's a point because people would have put their name address crossing day year of graduation All kinds of information like I don't know who I am and my baby is And I know it sounds like I'm joking, but at the same time like I'm I'm trying to wrap my head around Because it's not like Ron Prince has any clout Like let's be quite clear How are you going to buy some curtain for our team was currently one one and four they open the season getting drummed 79 Nothing he has maybe what two three Wins the right home about since he's been the head coach of Howard University football team and they've won literally zero me Championships he does not have any clout in his position Right, so it's not like a oh we got to be quiet about him like this is not like this is not the This the main it's not the devil Sweeney of me act He's just not that guy. I guess the the impression would be because he has ties to the NFL Yeah, but the ties to the NFL has not changed the production of your program or the recruits you brought in so miss me So at the end of the day I'm just I'm starting to figure out and then even with all that being said who's black mama Really is going to care to send another note anonymously because I know some black mothers I know a good amount of them Know it's something like this was happening today a child. It had been like. Oh, no, here's my address This is where you can come on I Guess the the the perception would be if you send it and make it clear whose mother you are whose father you are is That you're now putting that child's scholarship in jeopardy and part of the allegation was let me Let me let me break this quite clear. It had been a two-fold thing one You could say you're putting the child Scholarship at risk, but if the allegations become public, right then it's a whistleblower thing It's this is definitely a whistleblower type situation where it's like Oh, now you're definitely purposely coming after me because I told that you were abusing me. Mm-hmm Right, so it would never been that situation right to There's some black mother movement like I don't care if you're on scholarship. I'm pulling you off the team, right? So And I say that to say that guess these allegations need to be looked into they are very serious But the whole situation to me at this juncture seems extremely weird I think the takeaway for me is having having played Football coaches say a lot of weird stuff man So the first thing that they say a lot of crazy stuff if you've ever been to a practice I mean in a in a session looking at film They will say crazy stuff like oh y'all must be point-shaving. That's how bad y'all look So that was the that was the first thing now and that now there was some other, you know Implications about you know, he's saying stuff about you know, I want to y'all gay You know that that that's over the line That's over the line because I don't I don't think you need to bring that up at all in any context But you know other things about you know medical treatment. I think we need some more information on that stuff People being you know, there was there was a one detail about some players were made to sit in the stands and watch practice You know, I could see if somebody said that's abusive you're humiliating me in front of people this is an open practice But why should you not be at practice? No, I think they're saying if you're if you're hurt Then go go sit up in the stands go be a fan Oh, and and you know, I Don't I don't contact contacts matters Right And if you're able to be present at the practice whether you're hurt or injured or maybe you just you Literally can't play for whatever reason you should still be there See that and that's the that's the challenge because I think that with that if you were to interview all I don't know How many guys on the team? Some of them a pocket of them are gonna say yeah, that was that was over the line This was abusive a pocket of them are gonna say not I didn't think it was I didn't have a problem with it Now you can you can blame that on a lot of things you can say okay Well, maybe these guys are conditioned to be abused. Maybe they had abusive high school coaches Maybe they love that kind of coaching and then the others hand you can say well Maybe some of those players are are expecting to be coddled I don't know and I don't know if we'll get more much more information But you hear you hear stuff like this all the time you heard it with Maryland a lot of those those those allegations surface When they had a football player to die and they talked about oh, you know, he won't let us get rest time He won't let us get get water or all these kind of things. You hear this you hear this stuff at programs all the time and I guess the question is And or I think the thing that we have to remember is How much of this is these are these are a group of players? Who may or may not have been at Howard because the previous coach recruited them and There are sour grapes about a new guy a new system a new way of doing things coming in Running shop a totally different way a guy that did not recruit them that didn't sit in their living room Didn't talk to their parents didn't say I'll take care of your boy So it's not to it's not to Exploriate the players It's not to excuse the players either. I just think I don't I think we need more information at this point Yeah, and that's why you know considering the other news that was coming out of Howard, especially regarding Some of their players that are planning to transfer The reasoning behind why they're transferring matters right because we need more information and we need exact information about what's taking place Right. So a lot of times, you know, of course, it looks very interesting because of timing, right? But if a player was already planning to transfer out to give himself more aspirations Or if a player was going to transfer out because they're not seeing the field or any playing time That's a much different situation then I'm leaving the school The program because the coach is heavily abusive and he doesn't know it doesn't care about our health And he's not allowed to to tend to our to our issues because the unfortunate conversation about this is is that talking about Head football coaches and assistant football coaches who say inappropriate and sometimes the meaning and sometimes embarrassing things to hit coaches It's like talking about one organization with hazing allegations and leaving out the fact that if you go to another organization Those same allegations are going to exist Well, that's the other thing this got to people's parents one. It's not just one exactly not just one Wait, it just hit me and forgive me everyone. It really just hit me. We're talking about Shut down the a building and play bitch, but I have my money. Hello our university. Mm-hmm It waited till the guys are somebody's parent What's your responsibility My response is because you hate when I seen you that video Every time I see you that video you you log off so but that but that is a point Howard is not one of those places where people just take mistreatment line down That that party is true, but we're talking about people who are And this is something I do not understand I will never understand who are motivated by something to chase a football Up and down a big field. Oh, here we go. And now and now you're not Right, this is it right They're motivated differently here coming right What you saw in the a building and the people who did that in particular were motivated by Personal rights that they had with it with the administration so much so that lied to get their peers To quote take over they were in two different motivations here So they want to be able to chase that they have football up and down the field now tip I will say to your point football players are wired a bit differently Some of them crave that kind of environment you got to be you got to be a different kind of cat To run into people full speed as hard as you can on purpose over and over and over again So well a lot of us understand it most of America does because they watch it And it doesn't just translate to the football field because I got a co-worker Who he played football in college? It wasn't for HBCU But you can't even have like a regular passion conversation with him because it's like he's back in a huddle It is why they're from Differently those those caliber of athletes in that sport they think differently so their interpretation and reaction to Abusive behavior or even something the border in it is a little bit different. It's like cats that are in the military It's like Stockholm syndrome. Oh wait, let's not talk about things that happen in the news since we what you What you think is is abuse they may say well that that's motivation and the interesting thing about it before we close This out is that when you look on Facebook and look at some of the comments the people who are weighing in the most are Former football players saying these guys just aren't the same. These guys are cut from a different claw Howard Howard Twitter's Little argument all day It's something else popped off on the timeline between an alum an alumna and a current quad girl And the general consensus is okay. Yeah, they both wrong, but these newer Howard kids. They a little different Everybody didn't got a participation trophy and now they sensitive so like I mean context matters, but at the end of the day These kids are a little different Interesting thing at the Mecca But what I will say when I do want to emphasize is Howard has already said they're investigating it. They taken it seriously So, you know as we wait for more information It's good that this, you know, we haven't looked at this in days have gone by at least since the story We're surfaced and you know, we haven't heard from the institution. We haven't heard from the leadership So that's something to take heart about When we come back, we're gonna talk about the recent run of big-time giving from rich black folks to HBCU some positive That we should look out for that. I just have to dark will be right back. I just have to dark And we're back talking about Alonso and one is transcripts Um Now we're gonna get into a conversation about something that's really positive Last week at a UNCF fundraiser in Charlotte over Winfrey shows up Over Winfrey tells a crowd of people That they have effectively raised one point four million dollars and she's gonna match it boom just like that To support student scholarships at UNCF institutions and this is a couple of weeks after Two guys in the Midwest two brothers announced that they were given two million dollars to Morehouse to support student access and Dead elimination and some other things and that's on the heel. Obviously of Robert Smith's Historic gift to Morehouse, which we now know in recent weeks isn't going to go straight to Fannie Mae The gift was actually made to Morehouse and Morehouse will disperse the fund So Morehouse will get the credit for a 34 million dollar gift That's the largest in a single gift from a single donor in HBCU history. The school will get the credit for it So I it it Offers up the question. Are we seeing the tide turn on? Rich and influential black folks really Really helping out HBCU's it and really getting into the mode of philanthropy And what I and I you know, I'm remiss because I've only brought up like the million dollar gifts But that's not the ones like, you know, a hundred thousand dollars from James Harden in Texas Southern, you know Stephen A. Smith. What was that a hundred? Was it a hundred thousand dollars or fifty thousand dollars to Winston? It's about that. It's somewhere along those lines. It's something. It's a it's a big deal. They also named Scots have been Right. He said and it's a big donation as well. So it was a big donation So we've had some celebrities Chris Paul is giving money to Winston You know, you got you got people giving money to HBCU's The million dollar gives obviously get the get the credit But we've seen a pretty strong run of philanthropy to HBCU's not just in recent weeks or months But over the last couple years as private gifts and grand stage B. C. Use has increased We're now over about 320 million dollars Collectively among the hundred HBCU's at least through 2017 through federal data. So what do you guys think about? The celebrity factor playing into this and the notion that the philanthropy or the philanthropic support of black colleges is on the rise What what's your reaction? And why do you think that is? something within me is saying That well one I want to give credit to Alpha Kappa Alpha for stepping out there because I forgot about that. That's my bad That entire campaign that they did And then they did it again. They've done it twice Yeah, it raised that much money in a single day and then was like, oh, yeah, we're gonna pass this out Mm-hmm. I'm again. I mean that now they are known as an organization I wouldn't necessarily say like, you know celebrities are a little slightly different What I'm wondering that's peaking with all this is are these very wealthy black people now Changing their tone as far as looking at The well-being of black students and their college experiences So I wonder how much things such as university must very impact the lens of this moment. I Wonder how much the situations where we've seen the young lady at Yale And that that story coming in the news about people people being accosted at the on the campuses They would work at I mean they go to school like for being black I wonder how much of that is influencing a lot of this where it's not like oh, it's important That we are around people who look like us that care about us that care about our well-being It will be interesting to research to just kind of figure out what what is the the purpose of it all all of a sudden now Yeah, I was gonna say your sign like I Want Tiffany's sign like she's bothered by I'll give one quick comment though Or is it because everybody all of a sudden now wants to do something now that Bill Cosby's in jail. Oh Don't do that Don't do that. Tiffany. What were you gonna say? Um, I was gonna say I like this responsible energy is In my mind it makes me think that or in my mind. I think that This is how you stay in your lane You got money you have feelings that you have and It looks like to me that you're you're acting on your feelings by Paying into an institution or a collective institution That supports how you think and how you feel if that makes sense like yeah, you're Oprah or yeah, you're whoever You're not necessarily a thought leader in a champion that's like right there in it but you can finance it and I really appreciate that instead of Just saying oh, I want to do something. I'ma do it and you don't necessarily have The knowledge you don't necessarily have the insight you don't necessarily have the career experience But you have the money and you're putting the money Towards a collective institution where hey, I can see where this is gonna go and I like it I have a theory about this and I don't know how right or wrong I am but I'm trying to trace Is it gonna be what? No, I at least I hope it doesn't come across that way Okay, the theory is That at moments in history Where white power structures show off and try to show their power we culturally get blacker and What I mean by that is we start doing front-facing things To showcase black pride and black, you know black affirmation and black support so Black Panther Party Black Panther Revolution was a reaction to something student nonviolent coordinating committee were reactions to something City movements were reactions to something You know, even if you took it to the 90s if you think about a different world Well, you know, it was one kind of show in 88 89 and Then we see George Bush and you start to see Rodney King the tone of the show got dramatically different And they started to talk about apartheid and they started to talk about racism and they started to talk about discrimination So I think That With those natural inclinations that we have culturally That when we feel that the pressure of racism and oppression is starting to ratchet up so we start to ratchet up to That this is an extension of that That Eric this is to your point and Tiffany yours too The more racism we see in the world. I think that you start to see well off an affluent black people saying, okay Well, we're seeing all these signs and we're seeing all these signs in public about how people don't like us Then let me put one out there to balance this out Because it could have been I mean this, you know, some of these black folks been rich for a long time So when you when you ask the question, well, why now? Right, like, you know Oprah has given millions To more house sending guys to college and she did that quite a step on the low You didn't know that you didn't know that until she was quitting her show I've been doing this like you didn't know that Oprah sent that many brothers to school until they were walking To the stage on her final show You didn't know it So there is something I think that there's something to be said that you didn't know it Um, but so people with money for a long time have been given to HBCs quietly Not in in huge numbers, but substantial numbers and they've not been announcing it They've not been it's not been a public thing And we don't know if that's because that's how they wanted it or not Probably that's how they wanted it Probably now you can you can find it out unless they demanded it is anonymous, but I can tell you I can tell you right now Will and Jada Smith They give money to Morgan every year The school doesn't do a press release about that. I Mean Baltimore Ravens have given them given Morgan money I mean, and I'm just using Morgan because that that's my alma mater But there are a lot of influential people that give money to Morgan every year And it could be on the condition like don't make a big deal about this But the big deal is what makes makes it a big deal if you understand what I'm saying I don't So I think the bigger deal actually in those moments to a degree is the fact that They don't want the fanfare But the fanfare I think is what cultivates more That they should right They're giving just because they're intrinsically motivated to give that's a big deal. I Mean you can't make somebody want to give like you need a triple give it Like if you got given anything because you want to give it don't give it. That's honestly I feel I ain't doing nothing if I don't want to do it, but People aren't motivated like that always or people might say they have to do something or it's just like with football players Why are they running up and down? Of course, I mean a court and we're back to that. You know, it's a field not a court And your motivation Right But but I think that that you see the tide turning because we're reacting to this racism now I would hate to give, you know, Trump any other credit for this one because he doesn't deserve it to Because I think that I Don't want to it doesn't rest well with me that it took this for it to bring this out of us I'm hoping that that's not the case Because racism didn't start with Donald Trump But if we're starting to if we're starting to be more aggressive against it because of Donald Trump, that's a problem Because one day he won't be here and racism will still be just as bad Well, that's that's actually the point that I wanted to get at That's the that's the larger implicating point of all of this is that Like it's easy to be pro-black When overt racism is in your face, right? But a lot of people ain't pro-black until Like a lot of people are pro-black when it's convenient because then you don't know if you're going against the majority of black people And I say that's part of this entire thing, right? So like prime example, it's like It's like I like now all of a sudden like if a if a if a school Besides that oh, we're gonna become a home We're gonna become a HBCU for a weekend and somebody calls it out It's like man. Why are you being divisive to us as black people? It's like no because that's not the same conversation We've you and I have debated that before see I don't have a problem with that and and I think it you're you're you're a hundred percent on target because it fits into this Um, you know saying like right now you want you want the benefit of claiming your blackness Because it benefits you for those But typical but when things aren't so obviously bad when it's not an obvious struggle, right? Yeah, when it's not an obvious struggle, you're nowhere to be found Yes, open has been giving money for years, but you know who can speak about this more than anybody else He's just being able to speak about this Tennessee state, right? Because if you ask them how much they've given How much he's given You might start hearing church. Oh, don't say that If I knew if I knew that my richest my most wealthy alumna Has funded Hundreds of people to attend other HBCU's I Would investigate what happens to her while she was on my campus and how can I make it right? You probably can You probably can And then you got to eat that Come on. You have to you have to eat that air every time you see over it cut a check It is not to you you remember you don't want to create another Oprah now Now watch this though. You would hope that You will hope that and you're 100 correct But there's also a difference between having a gripe against a school And having a gripe against people at a school Yep, because if we're going to have that conversation a whole lot of people are out here saying they're justifying to not Others because one thing happened with one disgruntled person in the financial aid office See and and that's something I don't believe in that though. I don't because I If I don't never give another dime to Howard. I'm going to give to a Howard student Yes, I mean and that makes sense But what I'm saying is a lot of people take that to a to another level for example I don't like the president of morgan the direction that my school is going in I don't I don't like david wilson The president of morgan state university. I don't like him Okay, as a leader Therefore, I'll give more money to alpha by alpha and my church before I will to morgan when he leaves Then I'm gonna try to I'm gonna try to write a $10,000 check I'm gonna tell you that right now Sorry Because guess what as wrong as I may be as ignorant as that is It's my money It's also not your responsibility to like you don't have to like It's the president of your university like that's not how this works, right But I but I think that we we need to be clear because I think people want to shame people Into saying well, it doesn't matter if you like the lady in financial aid It doesn't matter if you don't like the president. It doesn't matter if the football team doesn't win. Yes, it does Yes, it does And to pretend and to pretend as if the struggle of the schools Can change your personal opinion because guess what all you can do is shame me you cannot make me go in my pocket Put out that card and cash and cash at morgan you cannot so So you can shame me all you want, but the truth of the matter is at least I'm not gonna hide it from you I'm telling the board I'm telling the development office I'm telling the vp of advancement. I don't like him When he leaves I'll be back While he's here, you won't see me Because I'm not going to at my fullest invest in a product that I know is being led astray Right, and there are a lot and there are a lot of alumni who are are are saying that who make that case I totally identify with them. But the the question is When you don't give it all on that auspice I'll give some I won't give as much as I can you won't get the best of me You're gonna get mr. Mediocrity for me That may be a thousand dollars or whatever it'll be You ain't gonna get five or ten for me Not today. I mean it So I mean and that's something that people have to deal with you have to deal with it now It is under it is under the auspice of you can't please everybody But you don't Until you you decide that politics and relationships and Culture is not as important as as is activating the people who you know have a platform who you know have resources That that that that's what you're going to get Now at least the the way I justify it in my sick mind Is at least I tell you because there's hundreds of people thousands of people like me all around the country That won't that don't never say a word About how I'm not given to such and such and here's why So I think that it is to say that it's positive that we have more folks that are that are overcoming that That whatever the issue is that over may have had with tsu or anybody else She's saying well, let me jump into this thing where we're helping out the black colleges And we're seeing a bunch of nba players do it. We're seeing a bunch of executives do it We're seeing a bunch of people who are brokering opportunities for hbc's or resources not even just for philanthropic standpoint but Shout out to hbc bank brain trust by the way it is to say That that is just the first step you're breaking down A critical wall where people who may or may not have a lot, uh, you know Close alignment with a school or finding the value in the school The next step is how do you break through to those folks who are mad? That's where your money is Yeah, this that's where your money is the people who are mad It's gonna require both sides though, and I'm gonna tell you if you don't fix it. They're gonna stay mad until they're about to die Because that's when people like me Will have a come to jesus moment said I've been mad at my school for too long. I'm 70 years old My kids and my babies are all out of the house It's just me and my wife or me and my husband Sitting here looking at each other when we could be at the football game Right. It's time. I need to come on home and that's when and now First of all if you have a school to come back to It is not as you remembered And I like all these points matter too, right because like I don't want to just keep harping on Well played But at the same time No, why is she mad I still let But it's the it's the it's the notion it's the notion of it It's the notion of it He's gonna say like you have a gripe against Morgan state with the current Executive executive like leadership. Correct. That's a different situation. Right. You got people up here to talk about Oh, because this happened to financial aid people ain't even working there no more. He did You got like oh, they messed up my house It's like couple couple on that you use and then it's like oh, well, this is a big one. It's like man. I already paid loans I'm like, yeah, you're paying back the actual people you're paying by the government It's an actual people that paid for your degree, right? That's just used every single day, right? Which is not the same as like it's not like the school itself gave you a loan And they're requiring you to pay them back You know what the issue is like there's a lot of people that are mad at places like stanford and mit and a whole bunch of stuff That people, you know, they're they're alumni giving rates aren't 70% They're not 70% But the different thing is one one person can make a world of difference if one person can come through and say I'm gonna give you a billion dollars over 10 years Like, uh, like like bloomberg can give to options. That's a big difference, man Um, we don't have that kind of wealth So the people who can give a thousand dollars five thousand dollars you need them to come through And if those folks are mad You got a big problem because it ain't but so many millionaires black millionaires out here You got to get to the ones who can give you that one five thousand dollar check You got to get to him. I know I know a brother right now Who wants to give money to cop in they won't pick up his phone call. They won't return his emails Wait, what I'm not gonna call his name This brother, let me what are y'all doing because we know He wants to he wants to do it. He wants to do it in the name of his sister who passed away. She was a cop in grad Whoever is not picking up the phone at coppin doesn't know that they're ignoring Russell Simmons uncle I didn't say his name You are not let me put it out there Copping state you are ignoring Russell Simmons uncle Who could have his money who got money of his own And probably could talk to Russell so You got to We got to do a little bit better. We got to do a little bit better. Well, we're increasing it, but there are still there is still A leader. There's a legion of people Who are mad And displaced and disenchanted and if you don't find a way to get to them We're going to be relying on millionaires and guess what they don't do that every year Oprah ain't giving you a 4.4 every year right Oprah look And you know the thing and I think the larger conversation talking about the millionaires with that don't have What you would consider a direct Core like connection to right, you know, Robert Smith. He went to Cornell Uh Chris Paul his connections the fact that he'll tell you He's like the only person in his family who did not graduate from hbcu, right? So even something and this and like long before this long before the money who's donating you still got to sit back and talk about Bringing the program to one single state dropping the check while doing it. That's right, right? wearing Putting on a national stage wearing gear from tradition ever since highlight different hbcu programs free advertising like Free advertising these are things that people do You know the the the The ditties. We don't we don't know what did he's done, but I'm pretty sure did he's cut a couple checks like The fact that there's a line about Howard homecoming in a biggie song that gets played Who knows how many times this year? Like Let alone it's just little small things like that that don't have to take place, but If the schools don't themselves rid themselves of their own egos Because that's part of it and if two people aren't having real conversations about hey, man, you You use this degree every single day You can't help with a student that's trying to do what you do. Mm-hmm Come from where you came from to get to where you trying to go Hey, man, we I think everybody's looking themselves for it for y'all in the lord Got to keep working on me because till lord david leave I'm not I'm not coming home. Donate to your programs I'm sorry When we come back when we go back hopefully hopefully uh Frat and typical pray for me during the break when we come back We will wrap up with some kind of conversation on something else that is at the dark. We'll be right back Dodgers at the dark and we're back. We're going to get into a conversation about uh A recent speech at tala diga college uh from rapper activist Social critic david banner Um, and this was pretty controversial in the sense that he made a lot of remarks about, you know, how to empower black america um, a lot of uh, you know Speech time dedicated to you know, what can we do to better ourselves? But they're the controversy stems around, you know, some comments he made directly to a white attendee at the You know at the program Some controversial Remarks about, you know, why do black students train at hbc use and go work for the oppressor? um to the point that tala diga issued an apology and said that they Uh, where they condemned, you know, his making all the attendees or some attendees at the event Uncomfortable and that they would do a better job of vetting Speakers going forward now Um This is certainly not the first time we've had HBC was at the center of controversy for controversial speakers Uh, every time minister lewis fair con has been on the campus Even if he says nothing that's controversial the fact that his past has been Um marked with some controversial statements comes up all the time Um, it goes back to speakers like malchamex Martin Luther king who were controversial in their own day um And there's a unique history with speakers like that when they were getting booed by students at on hbc campuses um because at the time hbc campuses or hbc students were more militant and thought they either they were too extremist or they were too pacifist um So we got you know, our sector has a lot of a complex history with outspoken folks um Whom history has redeemed as as transformative in american culture But I don't know if david. I don't know yet if david banner will be among that That crew um But how do you feel about banner? uh I guess the reception for his remarks Obviously, you know, you on the on the best side of things you could you could receive them as pro-black On the worst side you could say that they were racially divisive This is in the heart of alabama. So tiff um What what do you think? Like I said before we came back Where is it Where we aren't oppressed somewhere. Are we not supposed to make a dollar? Like you everybody especially if you work in the south and especially if you work for Your your state or your commonwealth you really have to weigh Your uh options when it comes to Which oppressive check you go you go work towards every two weeks like I don't understand like and he's saying this as somebody who's made his dollar You got your money you could go anywhere and talk your big Well, I can't curse but and talk your mess And you still got money you still you still cash that tax fatalities But you want to say y'all doing all this which I'm gonna work for the brector Sir, come on. This is America And it's only 13 percent of us here. We don't have collective work like that. Come on And even if we did some people some black people I have the mind of the oppressor anyway. So like what are you really saying? And what are you going to do like now that you said it What are you going to do to make more opportunities where people don't necessarily have to Make their money from the oppressor I mean, you still got to pay taxes unless you pay under the table, but still like All of this you're not escaping oppression right but there I mean But we can we can reconcile the fact that there are some truths And there's a difference between truth being told publicly To diverse audiences and the way that they're told We we know that I mean That that I don't I don't know that because that there are things that are true That it makes better more or less Or right or wrong for the way he delivered his message In that part of the country at that time and on that campus, you know what I mean? Eric, what do you think? You Y'all are doing a lot of science tonight. These are some heavy Like the beginning of Drake's Duffy freestyle when he was going at push and see and he was like the audacity like this like Who is Lavelle Trump To even be able to make these come these these statements right now now. I guess a concerned black man I'm I'm going I'm going to contextualize this right so like one A couple years back tally, they got a whole bunch of bad press because they decided to go To go perform during the Trump's administration. Yeah, like, you know, the their inauguration parade So like there's like a certain level of presence to this kind of sort of of where he was making these statements at Right, and I think it's important to kind of start with that context But I still want to like go back and focus on the former SGA president of Southern University Lavelle Trump Because I'm not gonna I'm not going to call him He's a well educated man. So the fact that he's still going by his rapper name at this point I'm looking at him like you sound like a fool And you sound even more like a fool at this given moment. I respect him and what he's done But one you didn't pull up the talladega with no internship opportunities not a check No, no job prospects for the people that you're actually telling to go do better about it You're not providing any options or resources for them to actually find a way to be employed by A somewhat wealthy black person, you know, such as yourself So that they don't have to go work with the quote unquote might man So that's my first point right because real easy to pull up to a school and tell them what they're not doing And get no money No way of influencing no way of impacting other than using your words and you're thinking that somebody should give you a check just for that The students got on twitter the students got on twitter made it seem like talladega cut the mic off I haven't seen that in the coverage, but that's what they said like they added certain point. They just cut him off For me it really doesn't matter because at the end of the day We are giving you a platform We gave you a platform And you're probably going to get something In response like something like it's a good chance that especially if you came with these These spicy comments that you ain't pull up without getting the bag in some way shape or form Right a gift something in kind who knows right? Uh, the uh free uh free ability to perform at home coming next year. Who knows right? Like you don't pull up with these spicy comments unless you got something that's coming in your pocket, right? Right beyond that i'm still trying to understand If we are literally 13 percent of the population maybe 14.1 right, uh They hbc use educate At minimum nine percent and that maximum 13.1 percent of all black college students in the entire country uh The majority of minority business owners that are black and identify as black Literally own businesses that have less than two employees Who Is going to be the people like who is hiring all these black people and paying them a living wage and benefits Any ability to get themselves from one stage from one social class to another social class Like I think that I think what a lot of like quote-unquote pro-black people can I say quote-unquote because You can't be pro-black without common sense Uh, I think well black people don't understand is that there's a big difference between white validation and white resources Well, let's talk about that real quick because on that on that same note It's interesting that you bring that up because uh simons college of kentucky and hbcu In the heart of kentucky Is hosting the first and the first or the inaugural American descendants of slaves conference the ados conference Is is that a good American descendants of slavery? Yeah They hosted the ados They hosted the ados conference Yeah, the american descents of first of all I'm going to say this publicly on the show. Uh, if you are Uh, uh listening at everything that ados is saying right now. I need you to read actual books. Um, not not just their website Don't do that No, no, i'm sorry. See now you're coming through with this spicy comment No, because ados is literally anti pan african Point blank period He just is they don't even realize it or maybe they do They realize it because it's literally being funded by a conservative conservative background Go read some Yeah, go read like no, I can't because every time I start I just be like Yeah, you know, I'm telling I'm telling everybody who's believing it like literally speaking ados supports maga I I that's inflammatory But go and look it up like if you actually do some diving, it's like that right tibia you're gonna go to the conference Why are you playing with me? All right, go ahead Eric. I'm sorry for it. But you know, I don't I don't I don't blame them For hosting it. You want to know why I don't blame for hosting it? Because at the end of the day Who else is putting money into the pockets of simons college? Papa john's um Oh, okay Papa john's giving us your money now Hosting something Look hosting something does not mean that they actually Uh, uh, supports or endorse what's being said we have an entire conversation about dillard university having kandace owens They even duke, right? What is going on? Look, I'm look because all these things are related, right? There's a bit like so when I say this doesn't seem white validation and white resources Yeah, there's a there's a big difference, right? No, no, there is literally zero black millionaires and billionaires in this country and the existence of this country Since this country's been founded that have become millionaires or billionaires without why only getting paid by black people So it is literally nonsensical to stay here and act like black people are only supposed to go Supposed to like only work within our community when resources are not equal Right. I was having a conversation with some people earlier today talking about black life before the end of gem crow And post the gem crow as far as integration and segregation And I said it was like the real issue was separate But equal is the fact that there was not that we were separate But because the fact that that resources Access and money was not equal Black people would not have been fighting the integration if everything was equal So if you want to keep us separate and have everything in equal Then we want things to be together. Then we got to be all together then Because and eric you've talked about this Before two things can be true at once. You can be a racist And you can help black people for whatever motivation that may be Look, what was what was the guy in um, uh, south carolina Concomitment for years who actually was pushing for separate separate equal He was like, look, give I don't want to be around black people Give them all give them the money and resources they need to keep them away from keep them away from me strong there, right Right. That was literally him. What was his name? I can't think of a new guy strong there man Yes, I You know what I I respect him I respect him for being outwardly racist as he was And willing to put money up so that black people can stay away from white people I have no problem with her believing that right because at least he was at least making things From his perspective literally separate and equal But to sit here and tell black people Oh, why you going like get a degree from this black school and go work For a white person because the black people that you want to say go work for They can't hire anybody beyond themselves and they monthly. That's doing their account Whoo, that's heavy, man project and like So, you know, come on now it got into the money at this point Um, and any other thing is that you know when when you know a lot of predominantly white institutions bring controversial speakers all the time And they get criticized and they get protested and they get covered in the media But it's a little bit different when black folks do it You know, I mean so I don't I don't know It's so ironic to me that we want so much to be a part of American humanity And at the same time we want to be so separate from it. You don't want us to be looked at As second class citizens are separate and all these other things, but then everything that we do we do To be separate To be insulated And that's okay. If that's what you want, but then don't say like, you know, everybody who's separate is is less than I mean, you can't you can't have it both ways That's difficult um, and even more so economically, so You know, I wish I had I wish I had a copyright, uh, license to play some david banner right now. That would be good Um, but I don't so we will cut off again. Uh frat. Thank you, uh again for all your inside 06 tiff You are not thrown off the cell. You successfully completed this episode Um, and you're not you're not attending the the ados conference, right? That is in Louisville Stop playing with me. Okay. So it's up in the air if she's going to attend or not. Um, again, are we I'm not sure if we're doing this again next week, but uh, or this week, but we certainly will next week Again, thank you very much. No, we're not next week. Okay. Okay. Sounds good to me What do you mean homecoming nobody's gonna be sober enough to do this show Wait Hey, yo, first of all quick shout out because it's homecoming this season because you gotta include Louis state, Morgan state and Howard are all like in together like they all got this next weekend down the same day That's terrible. That is terrible That's all within 45 minutes. That is a problem. Oh morgan and Howard homecoming the same day. That's awful. Yes Yes, it is terrible, um well Shout out to everybody gonna try to make their way up up and down 295 that day then try trying to get from Baltimore to Buena DC. Hmm. That's that's You better all you better pick one. You better pick one and stick with it Shout out to everybody flying from wall doors The flight from wall door Thank y'all so much for listening to Dodgers at the Dark We will do this again sometime when we're all sober And and prepare to talk or we can be drunk like I really do want I really I don't think that we should do a drunk episode on Howard University radio We don't have to send that one to Howard University Don't think that we should do that. But maybe we don't have to send that one to the Howard Maybe we'll maybe we'll examine the possibilities. So this has been Dodgers at the dark checking next time