 All day and We're gonna start is and before we Open up meetings. Anybody have any additions to the posted agenda at this time? Yes Okay And Marvin All right morning, I mean afternoon good evening Did you have any additions to the agenda that you would like to make you're just here for the show All right, great All right, then we'll start. I don't think Tom is gonna make it. He had something going on tonight. So I'll start by Often to accept the minutes from the last select board meeting That's all right. I second it all in favor. Hi. All right. Hi Yep, yep, and we did post the meeting and so on the website and Email to interested parties you get an email this time Thanks, oh So we have Guess you're you're up on front there Frank you wanted to Well, I mean you're up front on the agenda You know, I'm here tonight to address Maple Hill Road infrastructure resiliency I realized Maple Hill Road is a very long road that stretches up and up and up beyond Even up to where Tom lives. I mean that's really beyond electricity and beyond get home But what I'm especially interested in although if you drive there you see if you drive up Maple Hill Road You see a lot of work. It's been done there on You know culverts and whatever but what I'm concerned with particularly is the road from That access road being down to probably 73 and and probably in terms of this latest storm in April 15 You know down to about where John Berrio lives on And and I asked you about that at the last meeting You know, whether you would have some kind of Information you could offer us on the plan for trying to make sure that damage such as happened to my property happened to you know, Greg White happened to You know, Doug Billings Dave Chase and Mary Frances Macintosh and Ontario that that that Damage wouldn't happen again. So God don't do it again But no didn't seriously Now that is That's our plan. No, I mean really I our plan is ongoing maintenance and improvement of the roads and the in the culverts and you know increasing culvert sizes and and You know working on the ditches and there's seriously there is there's no way we can guarantee that that won't happen again I didn't say guarantee. I said try to not yeah, I didn't say guarantee. Okay Yeah, yeah, this does not happen. Yeah, but this general maintenance in college. I mean, that's just love love love You have specific plans. So what are they so Gentlemen named Jim Ryan from the state of Vermont. He's the state engineer and he is the one that has been Designated for our district He's our engineer in how all the roads and the ditches are graded and or ditched According to the municipal roads permit grant that we had conformed to which is under the umbrella of the Clean Water Act We did have a meeting with him About your concerns. We discussed it with him he actually did take a ride out to the site with our highway foreman and We should be getting some type of Comment or results from the meeting back from him Probably during this week because we met with him last week To see if he think we were also looking at wing farm road so he was looking at that whole area and We'll see if he comes back with any changes to what the state mandates us to do in that area But he did say that he would Know that I know that John champion. I don't know keep wanting to call him I know he's had conversations with Chris Lloyd about I mean, they were there were right now two cones on the road one out beyond one One just below You know the larry's place because because that basically drains on to what is You know Lloyd land and I thought it was national forest and it's not it actually belongs to the Lloyds And I know there's a cone another cone You know Just above, you know Greg whites No, actually it's it's there was one culvert that is right at the right above Greg white strike way And the next one up is another culvert that has another cone on it that actually During our reign that actually took a lot of water because it actually worked You know, it was open and took a lot of water and Actually have some spectacular pictures of you know water that's coming down toward the clothes lines And then going right angle out to the end of the property And I think that's thanks to some work that Harvey construction did on on this on this property of mine that You know that That you know that we bought I mean that was it was built on a middle but But I but I think there's you know work plans. I mean I think there's Work plan for that call but it makes sense because there's a channel that feed into And well in the very beginning Frank And it was a two-week period where we were in an emergency mode to get all the driveways open get everybody out And get the roads passable That stopped after that second week we had two weeks to do that type of work and then the emergency was over So now we have to go through the procedures of Having an engineer look at it putting it out to beds You know now we have to go through the slow process of getting these things looked at so We will be working on all of those especially where you probably where you see a cone, right? But but we can't we can't knee-jerk that now we are no longer in emergency mode So we have to go nice and slow and pull in engineers No, I know that's what I was hoping to hear that that's what you had an engineer or that be trans and FEMA had I mean I know they were there because I shook hands with them and Introduced them to my robot. That's they were they were there. We were still waiting to hear back I'm wondering whether it's going to be a probably a slower process But I assume that I mean, I think the bulk of the money is probably You know below or devil mountain road But I mean, I would think if they were there they were seeing a catastrophe on my roots, too And I don't know what they did with it 100 because I'm seeing some properties that have You know boulders that was true now You know and I know people have lost driveways and whatever So so I would assume there would I would hope there'd be some money for We haven't officially received the FEMA designation yet We weren't declared a disaster zone by FEMA yet. We're still hoping God shines down on us for that, too Yeah, that's where you're opening for us a doom and I was gonna come here with a lot of pictures to to reduce to Nonsense your claim that this was somehow an act of God. I mean just I mean I mean certainly it wasn't like the 2008 August 7th. I believe that was where I was living in the Randall and I was kind of You know ankle deep and water walking back from Vermont home bakery, too Now we were living on me on NASA And this time it certainly wasn't No, no, but still it had impact for sure. I guess an act of God is somehow somehow that's Invoked in some loose kind of what unless it's a term of art does it actually mean something specific? I guess I want to talk to you since you seem to have information Is that does that mean something specific? Well an act of God is something that that goes beyond what the infrastructure can sustain You know the amount of rain that then it call it gets classified as a disaster So, you know, if you look up the definition of disaster hit it's Disaster is not what is normal. So But it doesn't mean you can't control the weather doesn't mean anything specific. It's not a term of art It's not a term of art. No, I don't think there was much part involved in Morning That's a certain number of roads a specific event. Yeah It was a thunderstorm that kind of sat on top of us for a while after a very warm day of snow melt And a another day in between of rain So we went from snow melt to rain to a thunderstorm For the most part a lot of them were some of them were not not all of them were but there was also a lot of debris from the winter that even when they were Not frozen the water flowed with lots of branches from storms that had happened during the winter time And it was easily easily clogging So will that inform us in terms of culvert maintenance in the future? There's one culvert I understand that do you cleaned the day or two days before the storm and turn around and clog right up again Being in August it didn't have the debris That traveled on you know the leaves were still on the trees No that we still had a lot of debris in the woods everywhere that traveled with the snow down through in the rain and all of that All right, I think I did bring pictures to you did This is I mean this talking head stuff, that's not good for video. Yeah, I mean, I saw this And I saw every road on that day Yeah, I think actually you waved high to me or somebody did we would have done that if you were there Yeah, I don't know about doing I never saw him I was driving. No, I mean, I think I saw you. I think you waved high as I was I was up there a couple times I mean, I'm sure you were out there doing that. I never saw I never I don't know why you wouldn't just come in and walk Walk the disaster area with me. Actually Tom did that was good of him these are this is you know Some some of my some of the stuff that littering my refrigerator, right and I and I I just this is Greg White's What used to be this is on the on the day of the storm. This is This is where his driveway disappeared That's it. That's his that's his mailbox up there. So whole driveway disappeared You know, I just you know, just below it So I was But it just above is just above his driveway. There's a culvert and that That empties into a actually a very small That's actually is is an undecided culvert and that actually drains right on to my property and During our ream that actually that culvert actually worked very well, too. So there was all kinds of You know, not only water but the stuff that's You know preventing me from having a garden today With heading right to my Helpy tanks, right? So I guess I had a question about, you know ongoing Whether there was any thought to I mean this this color it doesn't seem to me it does much good because basically, I mean it just I mean that that driveway just became, you know part of you know, the debris that Ended up in front of Doug Billings shed on top of Yeah, on top of you know, Greg White's Garden actually he's he's done a very good job of You know going with it But I mean I was wondering whether any thought have been given to Orienting some of the culverts so that they're not I mean this one doesn't seem to be doing much good I was wondering whether any thought have been given to orienting some of the culverts so that you know water You know would carry down into the deep ditches that are there in right now. I mean that culvert I think it was put in when You know when my house was a meadow I mean the The house that we got from Jim and Shirley Billings Was built on three acres of meadow and I think when that color was initially installed it was you know It was empty into a meadow. So I'm wondering whether there can be any thought given to reorienting That color in particular Because I mean if we have another severe storm and I guess I'll be looking at my healthy tank going somewhere And also, I mean this photo, I mean I shot it the last time I was here But I just wanted to point out that it's not level I mean that the way that the way that road is at that particular The way maple road is as it heads to that intersection where we found it's basically sloping So that whatever water doesn't end whatever water Overflows that ditch or whatever ends up being carried No into properties mine and Doug Billings and No, just down the road to you know, Mary Francis Macintosh Chris Coon and Don Berry on and they really experienced You know damage there today there Doing the storm so I'm wondering whether there's any thought being given to I Mean I mean I you know what I see the greater going up and down You know putting down that white stuff in the gravel and just seems like oh, yeah That's what's in my garden right now all that stuff. So I'm wondering whether any thought could be given to instead of grading I Don't know. It's instead of great and grading a road that is Is that this angle whether any thought might be given to? Orienting that great is so that it's carrying water to the ditches, right? Basically, it's got to be tipped on both sides And the ditch side wash out or the other side wash out say again Or did the other side wash the other side washed out and you know why because there's no There's no possibility at all for right now for a berm for a ditch. I mean this this This is like a style, you know I'll try not to get upset because I'm still angry and I'm trying to not to be Take anyone's head with me as I'm going right But there's the reason why there's so much damage on the as you're heading as you're heading down The reason why there's so much damage on the right side is that the run ditches the run They're on berms around there isn't anything there. So that would so that That this water Don't want to roll the soaping like this I mean, it's I mean my property is a set up for that And and frankly, I think the way I think the way the the roads have been handled Is setting me up for another one of these events and I'll be damned if I'm gonna let that happen But without doing something about it So I'm saying yeah, you're saying where did the damage happen where I was where I and my neighbors were set up for it to happen Because around ditches because around firms there's an anything to stop that water where it should be going is in that big ditch Yes A ring drop it's in the center will sweat and run both ways But again, you're not responding to my question The road the road, I mean we we can't see No, I'm talking about orienting I'm talking about orienting the graver so that Well frankly the issue is that a road can't just be you know Burm one way like that It's it's gotta be high in the middle and so it sheds water to both sides talking about a boom I'm talking about channels for the water raving in such a way that the water carries into the big ditch where it should carry Right now. It's just I mean Sort of like it's what's happening at the bottom of the brook street. The road is totally graded to wash everything into our backyard There is nothing nothing that channels the water anywhere. It just comes right Dumping into our backyard, which is why twice now. We have had to take care of that ourselves with I can relate Thank you Anyhow, but this I mean, I mean, I I hope I'm bringing something specific to the discussion from what I'm just as you're Observing but frankly, um, I mean, I hope I mean what I wanted to do was to bring some You know ideas here that might be, you know longer-term solutions before The time to start But what I'm hoping to do right now is to give some feedback that might get fed into you know, the engineers thinking Because I mean, but right now the way that culvert is oriented. It's heading right toward my LP time And I think I think it was designed that way because it was never there wasn't property there. You know, I would guarantee that Also, I wanted to call attention to What is it July 11th, there'll be a planning commission meeting and Actually a lot of people here right now we're there But one of the goals of the planning commission is to develop resiliency strategies To protect the citizens of Rochester their homes and businesses and public infrastructure from the damage That can occur during natural disasters particularly in the floodplain I'm interested in that. I mean, I was I was hearing Any address, you know the problem You know, you know, what about the possibility that hundred is cut You know, where are we in terms of anyone getting here with Brook Street the way it is? This is our this is focused on floodplain. I mean, I'm on board with that I mean, it seems to me Dean Mandel was addressing that but I'm also on board with this in terms of You know the infrastructure run, you know what on the roads like Maple Hill on roads like Brook Street on roads like lower Bethel Mountain Road and I mean a large portion of 100 is I don't know if a large portion, but it seems like that is floodplain and as well So I want to call people's attention to that on June 11, which is a Tuesday And I think what they're interested with Dan McKinley and the group is interested in his working groups So I'm actually very interested in the road part of that My understanding is that's not an actual plan commission. Yeah, I don't think it is People Performing kind of working groups to work on specific projects. Well, I mean, that's fine. All right Okay, I stand corrected But actually would be a good meeting for people to go to who want to be part of working groups to work on You know their goals But I mean, but I'll be there I think that's a very good goal for and I'm interested in that so I guess it's not a planning commission meeting But it's a mission and that's specific But I just want to I guess he's gonna be sending you a dog I said, you know, just write it and send it to How will that be here? And I guess there's a meeting of the mistress this Friday for people who Have have some Want their one. What is it called? It is a grievance, right? No, I did see the notice at the post office, and I'm sure it was newly posted But actually, yeah, maybe maybe Mason Recording this Will alert people to the fact that you know if they have suffered flood damage And you know feel that they they're the value of their property has been affected by this amount of water and God Then they they need to you know follow Follow grievance with the Lister's to get some kind of consideration for you know lowering the Valiant, okay, thank you. Thank you for the specifics and right, right? Come on What do you call the storm? Yeah, I mean maybe climate change is man-made No, I was not the climate change involved to I think I think we are in climate change Yeah, and I have photos that would show that yeah No August, you know August 2008 August Here we are Act of climate change active climate change. Yeah Godless act of climate change. Thank you Frank. I only got into a five with one person. I apologize Okay So speaking of speaking of roads, that's Talk about Brook Street Yeah, man-made disasters First of all, I want to thank the select board and and the highway crew for whoever go for and Changing all the speed limit signs. I mean the next morning before I got out of bed except they were changing People don't know how to read But things have been happening up there that are getting a really scary I Know for a fact that yesterday there was a road radianship incident and might might want to speak to that in a minute I also heard that Dumb as in her daughter Last night when a car went between them in the car. They were talking to coming around the corner It's it's getting scary. I mean it's really getting scary The Henry boys who are on the cottage right across from us They were up at the top of their property yesterday when they heard they could hear the road rage incident going on up above And as I said Mike can tell us more about that People are going around the barriers down here Driving up to the Jersey barriers and then turning around coming back. I guess those signs don't apply to them I Just wondered what the update was on you said you were talking to Windsor County Sheriff's and that is in County Sheriff's But there was an update for that. I did notice there's a nice beautiful big sign over there That says 100 south to 107 but there needs to be something that says the interstate 89 People don't get it this morning. We were down on the park for the memorial service And up through comes this probably a 40-foot camper trailer that I think no one is dead stopped Because they were gonna head up Rook Street No way in hell they could have made the corner up by Mrs. Kirk Hector I mean it's just People just don't know where to go. They don't know where to go and I Drive away It's it's crazy That should be down by the skid mark Facing there so they don't even turn up if they're trying to get over up to 89 Even if the barriers those wouldn't barriers that are there if they could be moved down by the At least that gives them the idea Maybe we shouldn't be going this way and they can go around the park in both directions because right now they're coming up There yesterday when I went down to the grocery store a car came up saw the barriers and did a u-turn right in front of me If I hadn't been paying attention right in the guy or he didn't have me and one of the other but it's just Right on Bird Street Move the barriers down by the past They get up to there. They got to worry about brook street. They ain't got no other choice or turn around right a little wrong I've had to wait for people. Yeah, they don't slow down. They don't go over These are all strangers and the need it to be some detour signs posted Coming over the mountain road and or trying to go up that's a mountain road They should be detour and it's only dead about five signs I've driven a lot of areas where I have to take detour and it's no problem in telling people where they need to go And if we got into what direction that they're headed in whether it's a 40-foot camper trailer or otherwise They need to know that there's a detour and it's a red sign and Some information under it would be helpful as far as you're going to 89 or if you're going to 100 North And so it's a very simple thing as far as the hollow is concerned a detour should be Entirely on a class 2 road and even though Mike MacIntyre would say that maybe if they won't go that way, which is up by you know Earl's plate and so that's all past to you know, which is a higher-grade road That doesn't mean it better road Except that the traffic should be detoured out to class 2 road impossible, right? You can't legally detour onto a lesser-class road than what you did Since that's a federal road they don't even want us to detour on to class 2 town roads It's That's regardless that's regardless the the detour needs to be down route 100 and it needs to be at the other end of Camp Brook Road We're not necessarily well, yeah Once you do a sign up on top of the mountain that's you know We really the goal would be to stop people that don't know what's going on from even coming up there And we have mentioned this to be trans about signage on route 100 and putting up signs on route 100 And that that would involve be trans because it's a state highway So we've spoken about it. This is a town issue. It's not a state highway issue Even though the state highway Well the detour will be On the state highway And the town may have detour inside the state highway That FEMA is federal money. Does that mean that every house that FEMA helps is a federal home? Come on, let's get straight about calling this a town road. It's a town road. It's not a federal road It's just not a federal road I'd like to get the I'd like to see the paperwork at the Devil Mountain Road It's a federal road That is, the Devil Mountain Road is On the Devil Mountain Road is not What do you mean it's a federal road? Because of the Well that's different They're not maintaining it The town is No, but that's where the Yeah, right They're the ones that are There are other rules with respect to that road Well Yeah, they don't They don't want to It's under me trans It's under Chris Baldwin me trans It is a street manager Bethel Mountain Road is not my concern Right, we were talking about Brooke Street, right Which is because of what happened on Bethel Mountain Road What happened yesterday Well, you're not seeing it People won't pull over They're scared to death They want to stay in the middle Yeah, right And Deb Turnbull almost got run into the ditch And she had to stop And then she got to the people And they She said, just move over So I can get through And they would not move And the Henry boys could hear them yelling at each other Down at the cottage They were on the Bethel Mountain Road They walked up to the So they were screaming at each other Well they called death for me Yeah, well Friday Friday afternoon there was a disabled car In the middle of the road all dead All afternoon We're not We're not disagreeing On the black top My question is If this damage was up on Bethel Mountain Road itself So there was no way to get through What would you do to stop From going through there To fire up on the mountain Yeah, if it was up on the mountain So no one could get through How would you stop people To go all the way up the mountain Turn around and get back down There would be some way to stop them, right? We still have to let the landowners Get here People live the whole Damn way up The signs that light up Those digital signs for Christ's sake What the damn thing up $30,000 You don't talk to the state They got them They don't move them up You have to talk to them What was your conversation With the sheriff's departments We're It's still ongoing We've gotten Working on proposals for them And Can you say that Bethel guys Wanted to come over here and control There was a constable who came by that said He works for Bethel But he said it at one point He was interested in working for the top rock Yeah Oscar I would recommend I understand that you can't Deviate from it to a lesser quality road But what you could do without a detour You could just put an advisory sign off That says Bethel Mountain Road is closed Seek alternative route At the intersection of our road Regardless of what the town The state can't control what you do At the intersection of the road So when they get to that intersection They know that the road is closed Because it is the fun life I was down to yesterday It's like 40 cars an hour And a percentage of them turn around And then they turn around They turn around up in my street And then they panic when they see the dirt And they back down the road And it is kind of A lot of traffic I think There was some sort of sign right at the bottom They're not seeing it Terry was up there today I could hear him turn people around Yeah but I mean that lady came up And they got to go somewhere else And there was a vehicle That almost put Sue Moulton off In the miniature by Mrs. Kirkpatrick She was hit in fire when she came by my house last night Yeah Can't you move the signs down To the intersection Right in the intersection of the State Highway I think they were moved weren't they? I got to say you guys I understand this problem But welcome to my world We at the village In the village of Bethel Mountain Road Have been dealing with Rude drivers Speeding We have disabled people We have children And glad that you're experiencing What it is I'm not glad it's happened And I understand you're a dirt road And you're a tall winding road And that there's degradation of the road But you know we Bethel I'm almost positive That part of the slope failure Is to do with the heavy Big extended 18 wheeler and more trucks That are coming down there A few weeks ago I had a truck In front of my house for five hours I said why are you here He said he had trouble Coming down the mountain I said why are you using the mountain road My GPS directed me here The one who took the guard rail out in front of the Smiths place My GPS directed me They don't want to come down this road Why is it that the combined select Boards of Bethel and Rochester Can't get it together to say No truck traffic comes through this way Perpian From work to find 18 wheelers still coming down Bethel mountain road Even though the roads closed And Ann Mills said they came by her house The other day about 20 minutes later They went back up by her house They're not paying for our slope failure You know It's just that they don't belong in the road If there's a runaway truck There's no place for it to run into For somebody's house I mean get real here It's not just a Brook Street problem It's a rolling road Brook Street is narrow I understand that Brook Street is not suitable for this road But I'm just saying The houses on the Bethel mountain road Are built in the 1800s It's a narrow road And you know They're not appropriate coming down there either You know we've had Mothers and young children in tow Just trying to cross that street And not even being allowed by traffic For cars to come up I have been sitting there in my driveway Waiting for Erna in a wheelchair to cross Two cars just boom boom boom Right past me They don't care if there's a handicapped person In a wheelchair crossing This is what we're dealing with It's a cultural issue about cars And I think signs are great But everybody's following their GPS Is like robots So I really believe we have to get through to GPS We have repeatedly been in touch And they keep saying Yes, we'll make note of it And it doesn't happen But I checked mine this weekend Just to see and it still doesn't say That that road is closed I put in an address in Randolph To go from my place Just the other day And the GPS on my phone Sent me up over Mel Kusher Big back I'm sure we'll be hearing from Those people next Well with their cars Upon the snowmobile Yeah, yeah Oh yeah So it is Well like I said People can't read anymore They just follow their little signs Death by GPS As a realtor I have been sent up roads that don't exist This is where I'm supposed to go So it's an issue It's not an exact science GPS The fact remains somebody is going to get hurt Yeah Well the road was graded And now it needs to be graded again I mean just the It's just not suitable for No, because every time they grade it They go faster Leave it full of potholes To slow everybody down In the back there Hello Okay I'm going to support Catherine Because I've lived on double mountain road I know exactly what you're saying What goes on in that road It's always been an extremely busy road And cars go down I love the smell of the asphalt Great paths I just watched all of my houses Always special Always special I just wanted to circle around In regards to work road And I feel your pain Be considering the fact That back on Maple Hill Because of the ditch that it has Broadened so much There are times that two cars Is difficult in passing And it becomes a safety issue And I'd like you to produce the Speed There also I think we're at 30 People fly at 45 And I wish you would track the amount of Traffic that goes up and down that road Where probably almost as close To What's going on a little bit At work road The situation there You don't think so They're going By my house going 50 going down On that dirt road Yeah All the time And my other concern Will be what is going to happen When they start logging Is going to happen soon And from the forestry And maybe you guys know more on this Will be using Maple Hill to bring the logging trucks Down because that will be starting At some time Not this year but next year Next year About one more year from now Circling around again The act of God You're going to hate that You said that Because the act of God Can be used at times And certainly what's going on in Oklahoma Is an act of God Can't use that term Unless If you are not Having reasonable care Being provided at the time And I'll just deal with Frank had said also About the care on the road The culverts whatever needs to happen Was not happening And as the result right now You know I'm up about $500 On my cost For the repairs And it just keeps on coming I walked down the back of my property Today and worked and worked In the back because All of the water from the road From the top of the road went down And went down through Doug Billing's property Into my property on the way down A full acre of land So that's a pretty good force That was being Juddson down there So consider number one Reducing the speed until you get that road Repaired Number two, I'm hoping that The ditch here years When I back out of my yard now I could go to the ditch Two people going at the same time If somebody pulls over you have to be careful Because of the size of the ditch That's there now I don't have an answer for The engineer how it needs to be fixed But I do know that Things could have been better I'll leave it at that Unfortunately the engineers Want the ditches to be that big They want the water To dissipate over a larger area Rather than funnel into a V And they want the water To go down into the ground Where it will be filtered For removing phosphorus So that when it reemerges Somewhere else It's clean water It's all part of what The legislature voted on We have heard it long before The April 15th Event from other town Other like town line road We've heard it from other people When we go through and we do A ditching that conforms To the storm water act And the clean water act Everyone goes wow They're six foot deep Six foot wide What she's talking about The ditch is wash water And that needs to be And that will be coming out To fix their shoulder And it'll still have a big ditch Though There's a lot of dirt on your road In some areas It's beyond just a ditch I'm not too sure what ditch You were talking about That's what I'm saying Pitch there It's coming up a bit very shortly We're back on the speed limits We can lower the speed limit to five miles an hour And unless we have enforcement It's not going to do anything So we can always Talk about lowering the speed limits Lowering the speed limits Unless we have somebody here With a radar gun and a badge Right in tickets It's not going to do anything Headed that way We've got some paper In hand I can't give you a date when they're going to show up But we would have been Headed that way Is it enforceable? Is it enforceable? The lower speed limits On Brook Street are not enforceable Right now because we just put signs up We haven't gone through the process Of technically lowering it But we just put those up to try And just Some people read it Right now They're still 30 miles an hour So what is the process? Exactly When we have to notice it In 30 days we have to have a public meeting And then You might have shown me What's going on Do you have that speed part? Could you pull one of those up? We do have that We're researching whether Part of the road Where do you put it But if we If we can It's still unclear Whether We can legally deploy that Not being law enforcement officers Ourselves That's what we've been told You can't post below 25 miles an hour When you go forward It has to be 25 You can't post I don't See a reason you could Just put it up as an advisory thing I agree Really what the issue is They don't know what they're doing They see the dirt and speed up Maybe that will slow people down Didn't you tell me that We had speed bumps coming? We ordered some right? You ordered them all Yeah There's a little bit of thought about Where the constable Or the sheriff Would be Parking and pulling people over That would not create A problem in itself So They're going to be at one end of the road Or up at the top They're probably not going to be Where you want them to be pulling cars over Because that will create Another safety hazard So that When we get there Park the cruiser on the Henry's driveway They said you could But if he pulls out To pull someone over He has to be on the road We can pull the truck out anytime You had said just a minute ago You were working on getting a constable And it left You said you had a meeting So we got a bunch of information there So if you haven't been able to do anything Definitely Not yet But we're Waiting on some more information So what you're looking into Is not just for work street But for the whole town With Windsor County Sheriff Possibly A big thing If you can get these people That are driving through To cut that back It could be a big help And the only thing on the Bethel slide It says road closed eight miles ahead Eight miles ahead They're still coming Although Bethel did decide To keep Camp Foot Closed as long as Our section is closed So that was a plus Anything over there? I know that No trucks No through trucks on the Bethel side We can't do anything on the Bethel side No, I mean this slide court's got to get together Like they did A long time ago At that joint with Bethel Leading And they made decisions about road signs They decided to close plate limits Why not post no through truck I mean you should get permit If you're taking a Truck that exceeds the weight limit You know It should be permitting processes through the slide court Really truly It's not a good idea I know we have to bring the logging trucks But for that to be a route of the 18 wheelers it should be It should not be Not unless you want another slope failure down the road I'll say something when the camera's off No So More signs More enforcement Yeah So can you move the signs down So they're not right there I don't know if Moving them as more as maybe additional signs Would be better Because like Kudur said people come around I see a lot of people their GPS Obviously coming from the south They turn at the park house They go around the park because the GPS Is always like oh that's the first place to turn So if you know we'd have to But if it's by the person We should stop them from getting to Berkshire You would think Three people stopped me on the way When I was walking down the hill yesterday Saying their GPS was broken And they didn't know where they were going And I'm like well you're on the wrong road But yeah It's happening on a regular basis They even have some sort of informational Thing right there because people Are stopped stymied their GPS People don't use maps anymore You know But they need something Informationally to be able To actually know where to go So we're like telling them But I'm thinking about just doing a handout You know Go now through 100 Blackmare Mono Center It is many many times today I've been painting a house and stopping every few seconds To read a print I don't think they want to go on a blackmare Because that's slow coming away too It is yeah We're probably because of increased traffic Right now I think there's only two miles difference Between one up around Blackmare Mono Center Yeah They're going on the interstate But it's quicker to get them in the main road Oh yeah it is If you could pull a little bit If you could pull a little bit That would be 75% of the cars That have grown by our house Or from out of state You can just see them They just turn and skip them out What I'd like to see is Leave the wooden barriers where they are They're at the foot of Bethel Mountain Put up a couple more barriers By the Hyken House By the Minister saying no through traffic Locals only Read signs people So what would what would be the local only everyone that lives in the hollows but that's that's that would cut me off from using No, no, no local. You're not going to somewhere. You're not going. We've got the mountain to go to be interesting. It's not local to Brook Street. I just want to have clarity here because I take dump road as much as possible. Well, I know everybody's going for the whole weekend. There's one through the gulf to get on course. Just saying on 511 the first thing that comes off this bevel mountain road is closed. That's retrans. Yeah, that's the state of Vermont 511. That's the governor's duty. That doesn't that doesn't transfer over to the GPS. Unfortunately. So we had a crack though. You see them here and where they go after this, they come and they look at it and then it doesn't happen. The truckers don't want to go over the bevel mountain road. It's terrifying to them coming down there. It's like we really have to figure this out. I'm happy to be a part of being give me a job and I'll take it. But we got to figure out this GPS thing how to communicate with them. Well, Patty, before bevel mountain road was damaged, you know, we put in just fairly recently in the last year, a really nice sign that definitely says to the left Rochester at that T intersection there and everything. It's very, very clear. But you would be I know people up in hollow told me how many out of state people said to them, well, your GPS told you to go that way. And they asked him, didn't you see the sign with the arrow to the left? But my GPS says. I don't believe the sign. That's a good idea. Yeah, that's a good idea. It's an unfortunate situation that we really did not create. We're really trying to get everything done and we're turning it this way compared before the snow flies. And so we are fast tracking everything we can. Maybe that's the answer to make it a one way road. You can barely pass anyway. And when you get the other people, maybe you just make it one way to come to town. No, that's not fair with the big road. I mean, what do you mean by that? You're going to get a lot of fire and rescue people. Obviously. It'll all be over in four and a half months. Yeah, right. I don't want it to be improved because my concern is when we upgrade the bottom of Bethamon Road, it's part of our leverage to try and keep trucks off of that was because we had lowered the weight limit because of the failing slope. Now, if that all gets upgraded and fixed, like remember when they did the top of Bethamon Road, they didn't send many trucks over that one. That was their road up there. But we really have to have our stuff in line. So when that road does get reopened, it doesn't open up a flood of heavier traffic on the road. It's going to be a 24,000 pound road again, Bethamon Mountain. It's posted on both sides. They're 24. Yeah. We had dropped it to 18. 24, that's a dump truck. It's an empty dump truck. Not a full one. But still, not something that loaded semi should be over, but they don't pay attention to those sides. There's no runaway truck thing. I mean, it's just not appropriate for it. Yeah. I don't care even if it's an empty dump truck. The church is in. Park? No. All right. Well, thank you for... I say, don't lose their brakes. Yeah. And come down and not know what to do. And literally going into the park. Really, truly, it's just not a place for it. And they agree. Oh, no, they don't want to do it. They brought tea and coffee and soup out to them. Yeah. Thank you. I would like to thank the slide board for taking all this heat. Shoulders are getting bigger over there. You didn't ask for this. No. No. And I don't want it. You're having it the best you can. Well, it's... I hope to handle it even better. I mean, I don't know how many trucks I've taken pictures of their license plates and got on the phone and call their company and, you know, and try, you know, I don't know if it helps at all, but it's, you know... The last time we had the meeting, we signed whatever for the second phase. What has been done with the second phase? We're working it and waiting. I mean, usually what takes a three to four month process for engineering. We've got them down to do it in six weeks. We've got to have it. And then we've already put an alert into major construction companies, kind of like a save the date letter, that we're coming at them and we want this done this year. So everything is being fast tracked. Everything's being shortened. And it's going to be back together by October 15th. I hope. Yeah, right, right. Frank? From your mouth to God's ear. Yes. No, I mean, I'd take life just to thank you for taking on all the complaints and whatever. I just wanted to, I mean, just the meetings I'm aware that you are at, and it's just, you know, emergency meeting here, emergency meeting there. I mean, it's just, I mean, the amount of time you're spending just on all this issue relating to this one storm. I mean, it's just... It's a lot. I mean, it's just, you know, thank you. Well, thank you. I mean, the stuff I know you're doing is just... Well, Frank, you've been on the school boards, so you know that there are times when it happens. No, no, I actually volunteered for the school board. I don't think I would volunteer for the school board. I don't know. It doesn't make a mess, I'd say. You know, this is one storm, but I've been living where I've been living since 1993, and only twice have I seen the work in my backyard top its banks. That was with Irene and this recent storm. Now, with Irene, we know it not only top its bank, it peeled the land away like an orange peel. But it topped, it topped, and we have folders now that we never had before. So the riprap got washed down. You know, this was a storm, but it was also the combination of velocity and volume and the whole thing, and it could happen again. Yeah, it probably will. Only the beginning. Yeah, yeah. So with respect to any, you know, and I know I'm not telling you anything, but the idea that as we go through repair mode, that we also look to the future expecting these kind of events. Right. Well, that's why we choose to upgrade, even though FEMA will only pay to replace what was there, we take the next step further and try and upsize the culverts and bridges, what have you, just because you have to. It's stupid to just put back what was there. That's your tax dollars at work. Yeah. And Irene, you know, there was a lot of different priorities. We had people that didn't go back to the same pillow the next day. People that lost their houses during Irene. So we did just slap Bethel Mountain Road back together because we had other priorities going on in this town that touched human beings much closer. This time, thank God, we have done something right. This time we did not lose any houses. Everyone went back to their same pillow the next day. So we are now able to concentrate our efforts on Bethel Mountain Road. It's time to fix that road. And we're all going to make some type of sacrifice. And hopefully it's going to be worth it at the end. You know, the road is not going to look a whole lot different than it does now, but underneath the drainage system will be an engineered drainage system that we'll probably take. You know, it's not going to be like an interstate concrete wall or anything like that. It's going to look fairly similar. Maybe a little bit wider. But it's what happens under the road that needs to be fixed. It can't be wider down where it is now. We can't. It was a thought there. But it's what's happening underneath the road that we just have to strip all of that out and start over with something that's new. Exciting and working. It would also be nice if coming down into the village the guardrail on the side of the drop-off there was a little higher than it did in the past years. That's a result of the road. Oh, I know. There were times in the winter when I thought, somebody else is coming in the other lane. I was afraid I was going to go off the side. And I realized that's a result of that. But can't you fix it if you could maybe make the guardrail a little higher for people like me who are a little nervous? Speaking of guardrails, Harlan, you know what happened to the guardrail all out beginning to bingo? Yeah. Do you know what happened with that? I heard somebody from Connecticut was going a little bit too fast. Yeah. That's what I heard. Now, what are they going to do? Are they going to throw the guardrail up there? They had a nice bridge there at one time. Are they going to come sure it was an accident like that with the insurance company? The person that did it would be liable to repair the bridge, correct? Yeah, you would hope so. So they're just going to slap a band-aid guardrail there or they're going to put it back the way I thought it was going to be? I just noticed it the other day. I was curious. Yeah, I don't know what happened. Is that it happened in the winter time? No. Just recently? Yeah, there was somebody. Very nice. So, so plenty to do on the roads. Does anybody else have anything they want to say about that for now? Hopefully we'll give you more reading material in the form of signage and we'll... I'd like to know more clarified information about Fethel Mountain Road being a federally assisted road and the implications of that are for people living on that road, we need to know. And I just heard from this lightboard that we don't really fully know so I want to fully know. I know that the designation was provided when they decided appropriate to connect the two roads back to the top. Yeah, the top map. That's what triggered it. It had to do with emergency services and was on a state highway so it was connecting two state highways and the emergency services for our whole valley came over that way so the Feds decided to take on the road as a subsidized road and they are the ones that did the connection at the top, correct? The Feds? Actually it was 100 years before that. It was a federal highway. It was the only federal highway in this area. So I had to go back further. It's a mid 1800s. It goes way back. This is old. Now wasn't there a talk at one time about a state road? It will be talked to you. But it talked about making it Route 66. An extension of Route 66 from Randolph across. You can remember that. Route 66 from Lebanon. I remember you talking about that a lot of time. But no, it isn't the state that maintains the road. It's, you know, they don't come down there. But they subsidize us to maintain it. And it's federal money that's doing the repair now. But is federal money paid for our highway and our standing and our labor? We do it. We get subsidized. Every mile of our roads in our town. Okay, so that's all of our roads? No. That's only the class 2 road. Class 3 road. Class 4 that aren't maintained don't get any. Right, I understand that. But I'm saying very specifically about that road. Is it really treated any different in terms of, you know, money? It sure is getting treated different now. But we do. We get a higher reimbursement for that than we do on, say, the dirt roads. It's proportional. Now is that higher than the other class 2 roads? I'm not sure about that. But it may be. I don't know. Do you know, Kruder? No. But we'll try and find some more concrete information for that. For you. No, that's class 3. The class 3 information we get from VTRA is the annual budgets we do the rate that they give us from the class that's always on there. Yeah. Is North Hollow Road class 2? North Hollow is class 2. North Hollow is all class 2. All the way to the Grandville, Townline, and the Route 100 down the corridor. All class 2. So why don't they send it on the class 2 road? Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Actually, some people are going around. Then Mike Bowen will be down here from like this. Yeah, right, right. Now he's too busy. Just keep moving it all somewhere else. Can they stop at your house? It makes a sense to go around the North Hollow Road. Yeah. But they probably don't. A lot of them probably don't. Oh yeah, I listed it on a lot of conversations today. 13 minutes more. Yeah. When my office is at the intersection of 107 and Stockbridge, I went through it for months and months and months after Irene. Because 107 was closed, nobody knew where to go. I've been there too. So Joan, with the state does a good segue into your updates. If everyone else is done talking about Book Street. Yeah, I can do that. I don't understand enough. How long? So first, I can give you an update. Everyone an update on the status of the FEMA declaration. Vermont will or if they haven't already, they'll be making the declaration request to FEMA by the end of the month. Make 31st. That's the state asking the feds to designate this as a federal disaster area. And still then the state, the feds have to agree and issue a declaration. And the anticipated approval, assuming I do approve it, but everyone's expecting that they will, would be by late July. We suggest that could happen sooner but late July is what they're saying. Outside date. Forgetting that. Meanwhile, they highly recommend that we do the permanent repair work needed on the roads that will qualify for people funding. Assuming we get it. And Coor has been doing that already. Just so you know that it's highly recommended that we do it and not wait until we know whether there is a FEMA declaration or not. And that's, we know already about all the documentation of the projects. And in addition, making sure we follow the proper procedures if we're hiring contractors to do any of the work. This is stuff you've been through already before so you know that but it's a good reminder anyway. And also a reminder that it's a reimbursement program which means that we spend the money and then wait for the feds to send the money through to the state and then to us for reimbursement for all the work. And that can take up to a year. That's on a short-term basis. We should plan for that. Then there's the status of the Federal Highway Administration which is the one that is funding hopefully our work on Bethel Mountain Road, the lower part of it and parts of the upper as well. And Chris Blum did from our District 4 B-Trans office did a site visit with the highway folks on the 13th of May of two Mondays ago. And there was agreement that not only should we be repairing the road but we should be upgrading it to higher standards so that in the future it's kind of obvious but it wasn't given that they would agree with that. But once apparently the people are on site saw the amount of the damage and the kind of damage and how it occurred and why it occurred and got all the history behind it they agree that it should be all up to a higher standard than it has been until now. They didn't make any, didn't reach any agreement on the dollar amount yet because they have to have the, everyone needs to have the plans completed by our engineers so we know what the cost is. The estimates that we have so far as we know already is somewhere close to a million dollars. Excuse me gentlemen, I didn't hear who Chris Blum of B-Trans met with, was it the C? A person from the Federal Highway. Okay, thank you. Yeah, don't have a name for you. And so what we're ready for is for our engineer designing the rebuild on Beville Mountain Road in the lower part of it is they have completed what they're calling conceptual plans. It's a 35-page document which I have but I didn't bring because it's kind of technical. I don't know how to read it but we have an engineer who's representing the town as well as working with all the other engineers involved to make comments on it. We're going back to Du Bois and King so within possibly this week we will have a final conceptual plan from Du Bois and King and then once they have an accepted conceptual plan they'll be able to do full cost estimates so we have a better idea of what the rebuild is going to cost and then we will go back from the Federal Highway Administration within some period of time. I don't know what that is, approving the amount around 900,000 so that's what everybody is hoping for. So we considered on track with Du Bois and King scheduling? Yes. The completion date for the contract for the conceptual plans was at least the 31st of this month so they're on track for that because they've gotten comments back and they're working now to have them fully completed and apropos of that they have an amendment to Du Bois and King's contract to sign this is we gave them an email message last week letting them know that they can proceed with tasks three and four which is the main part of the design work and now they're asking us to sign an amendment to the contract which puts them on paper. In addition there's a little bit of extra work that they've been asked to do they've been called to the comments they've received to the conceptual plans and that's attached to Du Bois and King because that's going to be a subcontract with Du Bois and King they're going to be doing they being sand boarded head as the technical engineers geotechnical engineers have to do about $2,200 worth of work to take a look at the underlayment and the painting itself to see whether that's part of the problem they might be doing another $2,500 depending upon what they find okay but we'll know that as it comes to pass so the estimated date for Du Bois and King to have completed the design work and provided us with an estimate of the cost is well and then for us to be ready to go out to bid to a construction company is mid-June I don't have an exact date in the contract but it's about June 15th plus or minus can I just ask the scope of is it the entire Bethel Mountain Road or is it just the lower part? it's the lower part that's what Du Bois and King is working on that's what they're contracted to do from where to where is the lower part? where the barriers are up above down to where the barrier is now the bottom is considered lower Bethel Mountain Road and there's also the steepest part of it above that there's also two sections of what we're calling upper lower Bethel Mountain Road but Hooner has it all under control in terms of where these projects are there are other more discrete sites in the upper part that need to be repaired as well and what we're expecting though we don't have final approval yet but what has been proposed by D-Trans is that those discrete areas in the upper part that got damaged in the same storm will be included in the funding that's received from the federal government John what I was kind of you received a 35 page report that was the conceptual first draft of the conceptual plan you said you couldn't understand was there a lot I'd like to see it was there a lot of differential but yes but drawings sketches that first of all the type is about this big but also it's part of the technical stuff so that's why the town has an engineer that represents us and I was in touch with her over the weekend as a matter of fact to make sure that she had read it she sent forward it to me a copy of her comments and Chris Bump also forwarded it to us a copy of his comments going back to Du Bois and King so I think in our position we rely on these folks to advise us and tell us whether this is good or whether it needs to be revised and why and so on and we trust them to do that and Du Bois and King is doing a fantastic job as well so there's a certain amount of trust in that for even a world that has such reports in it I guess so anyway mid-June is when we're expecting to be going out to bid to construction company and it's been discussed before so the select board knows this but so you know as well it's going to be there may be two or three or four of the most contractors that are considered of the appropriate size to be able to do a project not just because of the scope of work which is not out of line totally with things that the trends has done in the past and therefore the town to get fully reimbursed 100% by the federal government for this work we have to have it completed by October 15 and not very many construction companies have enough people to be able to be able to do that so that will be a very formal bidding process going out to a specific number of contractors who can handle the work and get it done on time so that's what's coming up next so as I mentioned the upper there's some other Bethel Mountain Road projects and crew has been working on them with some assistance from Cricut as well in terms of putting the specs together there will be a bid advertisement in the Herald and also going out to some it'll also be sent to local contractors letting them know this work is available so far it's three projects two of them are for Bethel Mountain Road and one on Maple Hill there's more to follow so we'll keep the bidding process going on that advertising and bidding and so you should know that bids for those three projects have to be received by Q10 and that's your next select work and we'll be opening bids at that time for those new projects so moving on to other stuff we need a vote from by the select board for Dune to sign the sub-grant agreement with Vermont Hubs which will be a sub-grant to the town sub-grant agreement with the town and then we in turn have a sub-grant agreement with two rivers to manage the Bellemont grant so we need an opinion letter in order to sign the grant agreement we have that signed we need a letter of opinion from the attorney and the attorney has asked for a question about VACD Vermont agency of community development community development this is where the grant is coming from for the Bellemont project speaking of grants are we still pursuing that original grant for engineering for Bellemont? that's for 45,000 it's not for engineering it's for construction we already have the design done that was last year's grant and we haven't heard from the trans yet okay and I haven't really asked them because I figure they're a little busy but at some point they have to ask no other grant has been approved because we do have funding for doing the construction so Fadi do you want to move to authorize me to sign this? I second it if you move it I'll second it so moved we're moving so moved we'll need a move no he can't Joan bless you can't even get this in your hand no I'm not okay next project the wastewater bond information that project is all done that was last year's project but we have a slightly revised payment schedule that we need you to sign Joan bless you in reference to the Bellemont and the grants on do we have a carbon footprint evaluation on this project? carbon footprint evaluation yeah because this is just for design no increase in traffic a whole bunch of things that relate to our new world that seems like we just spent two hours talking about I'd like to see a carbon footprint about all this new development this is just a design let me finish this is just a design and when it goes to the next level which is implementation they have to go through an active process and so I think that's where your questions about that could be addressed and we did have a meeting with these folks last year they came in and did an informational presentation with us last year so a lot of the Bellemont people a known profit organization that was actually August 27th, 2018 Bellemont is the concept of a recreational trail right now reaching from Killington to Stowe that would connect existing trail networks on the way and possibly eventually the whole length of the state yeah so just a little summary for that in case you've forgotten the bond that was voted by the town was for $505,000 which is pretty much what we spent on the wastewater grade in site 1 and 3 and the amount that was forgiven was $242,500 so our actual loan that we have to repay this is about a little more than half of that it's $262,000 and it's a 20 year loan at a very low interest rate and it's a fixed payment one payment a year of uh $16,053 and 64 cents so we'll pay so there was a slight recalculation based on most of the project so we could just sign there I can send it back to them and they will notify us when I think debt service is supposed to start in September I believe it is part of the development agreement does have an environmental review that will be required to be done I'm sure that part of the footprint will be part of that and I'll go back to you now yes thank you and then last but not least is the storm water project at the town garage we agreed that whiteburger partnership would actually manage that contract one less thing for the town to deal with so they're negotiating that now with the same consultants we've worked with before um uh consulting associates and the project has to be completed by the end of this year uh due to the grant terms that whiteburger partnership has gotten um so I had a discussion phone call with them last week because you know I just discussed the difficulties the town would have at this point in putting much into the project we weren't going to stand in the way obviously of having it done um but you know we're under some serious constraints with regards to um town labor being involved so they're going to work on that and see what ways they can come up with to minimize it there's still a dollar amount that we have to account for one way or another so they're going to think about ways that you know the town can provide match through labor without a huge amount of time from the road crew things like hauling material out that's you know after as a result of excavations and stuff possibly doing a little stabilization around the garage um renting an excavator to do test pits and just things like that um so we'll know more once they've come up with the final design which is the final first part of the project so the work is to be done by the town crew? no there's just a match requirement the majority of work is going to be done probably by an outside contractor I thought there would be a big process right now? yes you said the contract for that project was being managed by someone but I was thinking you didn't catch it the wide river partnership is managing the contract with the consultant who's doing the design work and that's Watershed Consulting Associates do I arrest the contact person still or is it something like that? well it's ideal of Mary Russ there is a possibility that Gray could be the contracts the construction supervisor which would also be matched as well so I'll let you know more about that when it's all for now thank you um Tony have you got any updates from the library and we're just here for the general information well I'm really just here but more well I think this Thursday there's a speaker that I think will be particularly interesting talking about the various aspects of history in the valley you can read about that on the posters I don't have to talk about it yes it is this week's was very well attended the Woodstock that was very interesting the cars all the way around the side of the work my wife was there the library the shining jewel of Rochester we're sure Terry have you got any updates here anything exciting to talk about well radio control they come to put it in last week the radio wasn't talking to the device so they had to order new radio brand new but it was something funky wrong with it so they'll be back this week and so it'll be done and I got the hydrant last week so this next week within the next two weeks I'll have it in and I think we've got somebody that's pushing it's got a some pump and sewer I don't know about it because it's pumping us way up and water when we did our walk around I didn't have we didn't have infiltration I mean we had a little bit but nothing that warranties what I'm taking in per day that's for sure some ways some ways got some pump that's running into the sewer I look for it but I can't you know you're going to have to hit it at the same time it comes on so that's like looking needle and ace that so if anybody's got one I mean I'd be glad to come and see if we could re-root it somewhere different to help them out because it's you know I've got like 5,000 gallons a day going in so you're going to put that in the paper right? that would be a bilage property yes yeah in the main part of the village not the south end or the north end it's in the main part all the way up brook street all the way up brook street a lot of them do you want to talk about the forest service people with that they were coming to the bridge that was a yeah that was our basically we this area of the national forest district was a host to a basically a show and tell from foresters from around the country looking at by your house we were looking at the new bridge Wing Farm Road and just talking about water management and fish management they were they were chrismetric and Dan McKinley were doing some show and tell and people were impressed where did the people come from? all over the country as far away as Alaska was the farthest away that I heard someone talking about you know looking at this Wing Brook they're looking at Wing Brook and they're looking at the bridge there why we were a partnership with the support of the town they seemed surprised that the amount of cooperation the forest service was getting from the town anyway we're happy to have cooperation from them I'm going to show up to say no problems when was that Wednesday? last Wednesday that was all you had for the utilities alright thank you so yeah whoever's got the sump pump running it's definitely been wet enough for people to run sump pumps but yeah okay we did that Marvin you wanted to talk about the park and the high school graduation as we all know there's a park committee but I know the select board has to give permission to the use of the park now then the question is and I really enthused about the participation of the farmers market but the farmers market vendors ought to be moved around some I'm coming from a farm background where I know we had to move the cattle once in a while from pasture to pasture however the park needs to be some rest of the sidewalk across from here and it seems like to me that the select board could ask the vendors and or the farmers market committee that are setting it up to put it along another side of the park there would still be plenty of parking on the grass as we all do anyway and so forth right now the soil is grass there I mean there's a dirt between the sidewalk and the first row of trees where the vendors set it up and the farmers market is being well attended and I want it to continue but I don't see a problem moving it on one side another side at least you'll get somewhat of a breather rejuvenation naturally that's what it's all about that's exactly correct I had also heard that the grass on the front of the park not coming back this spring and because the farmers market is relatively new maybe three years but the participation is increasing and it's on a regular basis you see we have the other celebrations once a year but this is every week and just a suggestion that the select board could pass along all right that's a good idea now I have another does it get receded? well yes it doesn't get a chance to take it you can give it a rest that would be nice to recede it and mulch it actually that would be a good thing to do and that would have hastened the whole rejuvenation but my other question is that the select board is in charge of a couple of donations to Rochester graduating seniors now there's graduations all over the place and our seniors are scattered around but the select board is still going to make arrangements for this donation to the graduating senior there's two of them that I've been presenting now for a number of years and the Mrs. Kropacic donation that the select board has entire control of and not not the I did not know that school and so forth I think I saw an email I would be willing to present them regardless where it is so up to now we had had recommendations of who should receive those by the school here now so this makes it a little more complicated if they're off at other schools I mean who would be making the determination who to receive those that is all done by the faculty in the school receiving our Martha I'm just going to tell you I was concerned about this because 31 years were there now there isn't one I knew one of the kids who would have graduated but she was needed I spoke to his mother who gave me a list of 8 or 9 kids that would have graduated from Rochester and where they were graduating from I was going to put it in the paper but when they do graduate like June where they graduated from etc so if you need that information already I don't know if that helps but do the requirements say has to be a Rochester high school graduate there are no Rochester kids that are we're paying whatever they're going and so forth but to me it wasn't always the Rochester resident it was Rochester Hancock and Grandville I agree but does it say Rochester high school graduate and they basically are because well at least Rochester is paying tuition for our children to go to where you've got to deal with about 5 or 6 different schools that is correct and he was going to do one in anyway I do know that she told me that one of the students who would have graduated from Rochester is getting a green and gold scholarship Kimberly Taylor all this is green and gold all this is gold anyway I'm not sure about how they did that but the paperwork showed their grades etc and Travis he's getting a full right full right he's got 4 different scholarships I mean dark kids have done pretty well there's a kid graduating from Middlebury there's a number of kids that they gave me these for I don't know if I have them all in June when graduation would happen I will try to make sure I have them I just want to make sure our kids I mean the ones that will graduate from White River Union or from Randolph the Herald would cover anyway but the ones who graduated from Middlebury or some of the other schools we wouldn't cover and I want to make sure they have the chance to have their news in the paper if that matters but to me it does and that's going on I mean all of them and the woman who's in Middlebury she gave me the list of the kids from the third semester who made honor rolls that were from our town and so it's able to but you know so now that we're unified you have the money and you have to donate award for two Martins and who well that's all I have been involved in is the Martin firms and the Mrs. Proctor the select board has that money I don't remember doing this last year well I gave it last year I mean I don't remember making a decision so it didn't make a decision the school doesn't make it appropriating the money probably the contact person would be the guy who comes right or the school board the unified school board not the school board it is the faculty because we did get a letter from Linda Blair we did get a letter a couple weeks ago from Linda Blair Lisa Blair yeah Linda's in Florida Lisa Blair so I think we have some of that information because she sent one to me one of the faculty players about the Stephen Block award and we talked about it it was to every yeah all sorts of all right thank you just work on figuring that out yeah because the kids have grown up in those communities right yeah there was just some discussion because it's a unified board now so Stockbridge children would not be eligible even though they're a unified board Stockbridge doesn't have scholarships because they've been sending their kids to other schools forever it's another one of those growing pains for the unified board another thing on our desk here we have is someone wanted to talk about the 15th year of the 100 on 100 relay the race will be scheduled on Saturday August 17th and they're seeking permission to run through Rochester on Route 100 as in the years past also looking for permission to use the elementary school parking lot as a transition area and I moved to okay that second it can you give permission I forwarded that to Lisa at the school that part of it but the select board needed to approve the town part the property is now owned by the supervisor I forwarded that to the school I guess we're saying as far as the town is to whatever extent we can say that we're in favor of it alright and I think that is getting down to the bottom of the list that I have here do you want us to keep coming up with stuff? no yeah alright then talk it to me first off Julie I'd like to thank you for all your efforts in trying to find this information that I'm looking for I appreciate the package that you gave me at the last meeting my request was for select board meeting minutes and I have an additional request I've got the select board meeting minutes here from October August 28, 2017 in which you were referred to seeing a record of a public meeting in 1938 to discuss this continuance I guess in Pine Gap Road and it was referred to again in the Pine Gap Road hearing on Monday October 30th 2017 where you said Pine Gap Road has been a road for many years since 1854 every through some discussion was held in 1939 but no action to discontinue to a request so I've got another public records request for them and I'll read this pursuant to the Vermont Record Act 1 VSA 315-320 I hereby request copies of the following public records select board meeting minutes pertaining to revisions in road mileage in Bingo Basin as shown on AOT maps for 1981 1973 and 1972 also I'd like the public meeting minutes referred to by Dune on August 28, 2017 and the other date that I mentioned I am... were you just reading from those? No I am addressing I kind of wrote over what it says on here in the beliefs that you are in a custodian of such documents if you are not custodian please forward my request the proper custodian of such documents and inform me of whom that person is I hereby agree with a reasonable and customary cost for these photo copies I'll catch up with you after the thing for the last packet if the line does not allow me to have access to some of these records please so inform me within three business days provided by law and inform me of the specific exemption record that applies to each record or portion of a record being held if an otherwise public record has a portion that is exempt from disclosure I request that you block out the exempt portion and release a copy of the rest of the document together with a notation of the specific exemption that applies to the portion with help if some or all of my request is denied please tell me the title and name of the person responsible for the denial and as the law requires please inform me of the appeal procedures available to me and the name of the person to whom the appeal may be made and that's signed by me in front of you so you'd like us to stop working on the roads and dig in the records here for you we've had this since January right and you think that we're trying to hide anything from that I just want to see some stuff is that alright the records are there okay I got a bunch of maps here you can do the research what you can do the research your public records I'm asking for some copies of the stuff you can do the research and make the copies okay I mean you're retired right yeah so you've got time to get back at August 28, 2017 this was when Mason had secured council to aid him research the history of the bingo roads so that doesn't go back that far and he had Tony Delori here that day at that meeting and there was some discussion about whether or not bingo road went into Hancock or not I've got some notes but not everything he said I can go back to John Wands I've seen AOT maps that show the road ending at Mason's driveway, a third class road. I've seen maps that show Pine Gap not listed on the official certificate of mileage. It was taken off and I just like to see you know the information available on that that explains how the decision was made. Okay. Well I think it's a little redundant. I think all this has been gone over and I think the three-day, and according to the lawyer, the three-day deadline I think is actually 15-day deadline. When they take a road off and they don't have it on the certificate of mileage and they don't do anything to it, how does it pop up? Is it just who lives where that determines what kind of road they have? I mean there's maps in there that show that road is not being used for certified mileage. I don't know the name of the statute, but I believe the ancient road statute, instead of law, once that statute was settled by the state, every town had an opportunity to appeal to roads. Once it was done, whatever date that was, that's the end of the matter. I mean I don't know what your attorney's told you about that. That's why I understand all the towns I work in, you know, many of them in Vermont. The ancient roads were supposed to sell this. This one doesn't fall on the ancient roads because it's actually on the road map. You worked on that road again? What was the reason for building that access? Why didn't they just repair Pine Gap Road? Well, because they had to gravel themselves. They took the gravel out right up there. Well, I saw there's maps in there that show it is not on travel. I don't think it's going to become Route 66. Well, it's not your backyard. That's what I mean. Route 66. Route 66. Route 66. Route 66. Route 66. Route 66. Route 66. Route 66. Route 66. Route 66. Well, it's not your backyard. That's what I mean. Route 66. I've been told by Mark. It's Route 66, so, you know. I got to do one quick question about the mountain project. When this gets started, does I hold the trucks? They'll probably be going up the mountain from both sides. That's what I was wondering. It's possible that we've heard rumor of building an access road. To the lower part. That's because of this. To do the slope stabilization. Right. Yeah, we don't know what it tells yet. But was that coming off of the streets? Well, I was just wondering if it was going to get worse. So it's going to get worse and worse. So it's going to get worse and worse. Yeah, it is probably. There's going to be dust. There's going to be noise. Yeah. As long as they're going slow. As long as they're going slow. They'll be going slow going up. There'll be a water truck going back and forth, spraying the road. That's for your information, the Henry boys. I saw them. I didn't speak to them, but I spoke to Bill. I spoke to Bill last week. Who assured me the boys own it, but he's still in control. He's in control. They're all coming back on the 19th and Bill will be with them. Good. Just for your information. Yes, I had a good conversation with Bill Henry, who says hello to Marvin. Yeah. His roots go very deep in the valley. So it's fun to talk to them. But they'll all be back here on the 19th. They have relatives buried down here. I think they pretty much want to go on the same thing you need to do. He's actually there. The only one that really did get back to me on my letter that I sent out to all the homeowners. I still have to talk to Jack Wheatley. And I've sent it to Kevin Doherty, Davey, Dom, and of course the Pierce property. Nancy, well, they're on the upper side. She's a Pierce. Here you go. All right. That's it. Thank you.