 The best kind of doors are the doors you have to explain. All right, welcome, welcome to Unhinge where a door dorks, door hardware nerds, and today glass nerds get together to slam and knock and shatter some door fills. We learn, we laugh, sometimes we cry, but most importantly, we dork out and have fun while we learn a little bit more about doors and life safety and security and glass. If you haven't gotten the hint, today we have a very special guest, Mr. Andrew, the OG glass nerd. Andrew, why don't you hop on and introduce yourself, tell us a little bit about yourself, maybe it's one fact. Oh, Mr. Andrew was my father, come on now. My name is Andrew Herring. I am vice president of business development at the National Glass Association, NGA, we're the only non-profit trade association serving the glass glazing and fenestration industries in North America. Fun fact about me, I am deathly scared of door dorks that work for asset alloy. I'm a little nervous. Now, real fun fact, let's see, I have a background in traditional illustration. I've exhibited both with the Los Angeles and New York Society of Illustrators. Really? But I don't do that anymore, really. No, that's awesome. What have we seen, any of your work? Yeah, you heard this little book called Where the Wild Things Are? No, I'm kidding. Okay. Wait, what? I think that came out a little bit before. I'm not that old. No, I didn't have much, much published. I did some fine art stuff and I did a few things in some smaller publications but it was mostly exhibiting at shows. So I doubt you would have seen it. And I don't even think you could find it online if you try it these days. I'll find it. No, just kidding. And you know her, you love her. Mrs. Mia Merrill, why don't you jump on and say hi today? Yeah, hello. Welcome to episode 14. I think it's 14. I think it's 14. Yeah, of unhinged. So my fun fact today is I'm going with the nerd theme. I was on the robotics team in eighth grade for first robotics and we were sponsored by Lego. So I'm a Lego maniac. Wow. That's a cooler fun fact in mind. I want to go again. So yeah, there's like a few girls on the team. I happen to be one of them. Have a degree in engineering too. So total nerd to the core, but... Yeah, so that might have been like one of the reasons you are where you are today, right? That was like one of your core memories growing up that led that to your story of engineering and nerdiness. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, totally. As a kid, I got a Lego stuck in my ear. It was different, different outbringings. Mine was the nose, Andrew. I never did that because then I wouldn't have enough to build. Because you were smart enough to be an engineer. All right, Benji. What's your fun fact for this episode? So before we started recording, we were talking a little bit about family. And I come from a very large family. And I actually have... I have to double check my number, but I think it's at least 136 first cousins. So if you've heard a story of like, oh, I've got a cousin that did that. I probably have a cousin that did that. So how many of your cousins are in the, we'll say the door opening industry? None that I know of. I know a couple are in construction. So there's adjacent. And then there's one that was with an organized, like industrial organization. So they dealt with doors, but like a little different. That's what we're going to say. Organized crime. That's where I thought too. I was like, excited. Tell us. Look at this episode. There's some other cousins that I probably... Or we're going to find out that we're all somehow related to Benji. Is that six degrees of Kevin Bacon? Well, how many, let's probably less degrees to Benji for four degrees. Okay. So for, let's, let's jump in. For those who don't know, it's probably less degrees to Benji. Okay. So for, let's, let's jump in for those who don't know how unhinge works. I will share my screen. I'll pop up a picture of some kind of door install, door fell, code violation. We'll knock and slam. And today, hopefully shatter these doors and throughout any helpful tips to help people better understand what's going on there and then give it a knocking score. One being not too knocking bad. And 10 being pretty knocking bad. Like this is very bad. We should call the AHA, get Andrew's association involved. I'm just getting to Andrew. And then we'll go from there. How does that sound? You guys ready? Yeah. Let me get my old eyes closer to the screen. Not at all. So this is what door hardware nerds see when they go to the bathroom. This is the light at the end of the tunnel. Are you guys ready? We'll find out. Are you waiting for it? Are you ready, Andrew? Am I supposed to hit a buzzer and go first? I get very competitive. Oh, good. Good. Let's, let's go play. Cornhole like glass builder or something. It'll be there at the tailgate party. Really? Yeah. All right. Challenge door, door versus glass nerd. Let's bring it on. Challenge accepted. Wow. Oh no. Is this one of the ones that has those, that privacy glass? I have more questions than answers. That's usually how these work around here, Andrew. There are some things that are actually right with this. Depending on if there is an ADA stall adjacent somewhere, the entrance doesn't look wide enough to be ADA accessible. Good point on me as part that I pray that there is some privacy glass, some switchable privacy glass options on here, though it doesn't strike me as a super current new install. I mean, it's kind of a dated look. And I wouldn't think it'd incorporate that kind of technology, but here's hoping. Why would you spend money on a full door when you have a stall? Like if you peek into the next one over, it's just like stall partition. So why would you have spent money on a full door here to have stall partitions between them? And more importantly, I think why would you have glass on the door? Well, yes, but that was like the first question, you know, Hey, I just have to comment. At least they got the handle handy correctly. Yeah, no, it's, it's handed correctly. That could be an ADA accessible lever pull that it looks like it swings in. You should be good there. Me is dead on. Like I don't know why you would have that, that fully framed with all the molding and glass when there's nothing but a standard partition between the two, you can actually, you know, it looks like you can see some of the light peeking under from even to the closed door side too. Yeah. I mean, honestly, the only time I ever see this type of application with that privacy glass on a stall is someone that sells that kind of privacy glass and it's kind of like a challenge and they want to show approved to anyone that comes in for a tour or whatever. And they like, they want to show it off like, yeah, you could even take a dump right here and no one will see you. There's a couple of other things I like here. Number one, there's no toilet paper. There's also none of the sanitary bit. Yep, those things. And I can see two. Yeah, I don't know what they're called, but, and then I can see two shadows in the reflection of the, so somebody was having a conversation about this while they were there. And the toilet seat was left up. Yes. Well, I'm assuming this is a men's bathroom. Let's presumptuous. Well, rarely in a women's bathroom does the toilet seat get put up. Somebody could be bringing their young child in. So it does happen. Do you have any background info on this Benji? I mean, is this just something you found or someone sent to you and someone sent it to me a while back, probably two or three years ago. I found this and I went back through some of my photos trying to find like glass solutions. Oh, you've been saving this one for me. Yeah, this one is very special. I bet you it has better acoustics than a standard stall. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. Sound counseling or sound reverberation. Yeah. I don't know if you would want that in there. I bet you it gets an incredible STC for a bathroom stall. All right. So not too knocking bad, but like kind of knocking bad. If you think about it, what, what do you guys think what, if you gave it a knocking score. I need some context. If you're a mill worker, I think it's fine. If you're just installing a bathroom stall in a public restroom, I'd give this somewhere around a four. I mean, there's nothing, I don't think there's anything code wise that's killing it. I think it's just some egregious decision making. Yeah. I think I, I'm like in the two range. I'm assuming there's probably a handicap stall further down. So there's an accessible stall down there. And then maybe there's a way that we can't see to create privacy. I'm hoping I'm hoping that there's a way. There's probably some mini blinds we can't see. Yeah. Well, if there was mini blinds, you know we'd see them because they'd be like tangled up in a mass, but generally safety wise, I think it's fine. Privacy wise. Let's hope there's some other solution in place that we don't see. Could you imagine dealing with blinds when you're going to the bathroom, like you like sit down and you're like, wait a second. Oh, people can see me. They're like trying to reach for the blinds. I mean, if this was my place of work, I would just come in with the shelf liner or like the sticky book liner and I would just put it on the inside. There you go. Yeah. Like permanently be like a permanent fix. Yes. The glass looks nice. But like this is not an application where we want glass. What if it's like a medium security facility and they can't let anyone have time alone, but they're also giving them quite a few, I don't know, it looks like a very comfortable place compared to a prison cell, but yeah, the bathroom monitor that would have to sit there and watch the person. That's got to be a hard job to have. And what if they break the glass and use the glass to harm themselves or harm someone else? Mia, you went with a two. Maybe I should have saved my four because I have no idea what the next two are you going to show me. I don't know the scale yet. There's no wrong answers here, except for when you're wrong. Oh, I will find some wrong answers. What did you rate it? Not too knocking bad. I would probably agree with you guys. Maybe like a three or four. Like I wouldn't want to be sitting in there. If there wasn't some extra form of privacy, I think we do need some more information as we often do with some of these openings, but I think there's a reason someone's taken a picture of it and the reason we're talking about it today. So it's a nice dark bronze, elegant looking handle. Yeah, yeah. Tastable if that's your style. Okay, let's jump into the next one. You ready? If you want to be featured on future episode of Unhinged or you have a photo to share with us, leave a comment down below.