 Next question is from young Devin five. What do you think about battle ropes and when is a good time to implement them in your workout? Oh, I remember when battle ropes became a thing. Yeah, I remember like all the functional practitioners out there, like this became, you know, one of their staple go-to moves. And honestly, it was fun for conditioning and I thought it was like a novel stimulus, but I always struggled with implementing that into an actual program and a routine other than, you know, trying to get, you know, excess movement. So for me, I just look at it as another way to kind of add in activity, you know, maybe it's on a recovery day or maybe you're, you know, your sport specifically where you have to move your hands really fast, you know, somehow. And so maybe there's some value in it with like MMA and boxing and that kind of community. But in terms of, you know, you're an average person, and it's somewhat of a novel type of fitness tool. I don't really see like a ton of values to it. It's like jumping rope for tough guys. So it's jumping rope for tough guys. I liked it, dude, it's fun. I know you did it for a while. Yeah, you had to do it. I mean, I had a break. Exactly. I had a break. That's right, that's right. Jumping rope for tough guys. Yeah, that's right, that's right. How do I let, I don't see you doing this, skipping. So just like, fuck that, I'll do this the whole day. This is really cooler. This is what's happening, he's working out. Right, he's got his headphones on. I was like, how do I fucking let everybody in the gym know I'm functional, and that I could fight? You can't do this. I'm gonna grab these ropes and start sewing it up. I mean, get rid of the ropes and then do that. It doesn't look really cool. I had them for boot camp, you know. This is back when I've talked before, like when I was running boot camp classes. It's a conditioning tool. Yeah, it was a great way to keep people busy. You know, it's, you know, it's, what do we do between the burpee stations at the step-up station? It replaced the jogging in place. It did. It really does. Here, here, hold on to these. And for sure there's somebody right now watching, there's some trainer who's so offended right now. You know you do that shit for that reason. You know you can keep your client busy so they, before they do the next exercise. Because, man, call that. Because really the, you know, the people that try and make the claims of like the shoulder movement and the thing, the benefit. Like, because, okay, you could sell anything, right? If I had to sell ropes, I could sell you on why it's great. But the truth is, the real benefits of it are not that much higher than somebody literally doing jumping jacks in place. Right? Yeah. And when there's like a sport-specific reason for it, you're right. There's no other... Yeah, and of course, right away, I know the hardcore battle rope guys were like, oh, what are you talking about? Have you ever done the, you know, the hammer move and the this move? And it's like, is that what they call it? Is that what that's called? No. What do they call it, Justin? I don't know. You okay? I don't even know. It's better what I do. Double waves. Double waves. I mean, you could try and make the case that, oh, it's working this muscle and you get this core movement. It's like, okay, I can also make the case for burpees and jumping jacks. It's like... It's in the same category. It is. It's in the same category of just, you know, burning calories, keeping the body moving. You're gonna get, you'll get stamina, endurance. You could get a lot of it in your shoulders and your back. You can do power moves with it. I mean, you can do slams and get your whole body involved. And so, I mean, it's sort of a safer way to implement some power moves in there. But like, honestly, yeah, it's very... I remember when it became a thing, I was watching, I don't remember what I was watching. I think it was The Ultimate Fighter, the reality show. And I see them using battle ropes. I'm like, oh, this is gonna be in a gym now in the next month, because it's cool and fighters are using it. And sure enough, that's what you ended up saying. I still think it's a missed opportunity. They should have had like the ropes where it's two ropes and then a guy on the other side. So we're really battling. Yeah. I'm gonna fucking battle you, dude. I'm gonna rip their arms out. I'm gonna rip your arms out. You son of a bitch. You son of a bitch. Yeah. I got you. Didn't we have a guy come out here and shoot some YouTube videos on the battle rope? Yeah, and he's great. He has all kinds of like good information around it. And it's just like, again, it's a novel, it's a novel type of fitness product. Yeah, I mean, and so I guess, getting back to the original question, like what do we think about it? Was it a good time to implement them in your workout? If I was bored of Stairmaster or Elliptical or running on the treadmill that day, that's what I would do. Yeah. Or rowing. Or if you're doing like a conditioning type workout where you're trying to build stamina and you wanna do maybe upper body stamina or some lower body stamina. Do a crazy circuit with that. And a rower and an assault bike. Now, if you're doing it for power, totally different. When you're doing it for power, you don't do it to fatigue. So the same rules apply for any power movement. You're not doing it to fatigue till your shoulders burn. You're doing explosive, you're expressing speed and you're stopping before you get fatigued. In that case, I could see the case for it to be done at the beginning of a workout. If I'm explosive, if I'm explosive with it, I'll spend 10, 15 minutes doing that, then going into my traditional workout. Yeah. And it gives you somewhat of a tangible thing to objectively look for. Like if I could get the wave to go all the way to the anchor point. Like if I can do that and get a high enough wave and force my body down with enough speed, so things like that you can pay attention to.