 After four o'clock on the 16th of June, the first item is the agenda. Is there a motion on the agenda? Somebody? I move to accept the agenda. Is there a second to that? I'll second. Most have been made and seconded to. Recording in progress. Okay. Most were made and seconded to accept the agenda is presented. Any discussion? Seeing none, I'll go ahead. I'd like to amend the agenda for item number 10. To include the follow-up items that I sent by email to the commissioners on Monday. And I'm happy to read all those as somebody would like, but I'm hoping that everyone has read that and are comfortable with reiterating those follow-up items from last meeting. Does anyone have those read or did you read them? Yeah, I read them. Okay. All right. All right. Any other amendments? Seeing none, all favor of the agenda signify by saying aye. Aye. I'll oppose no. So order. We have an agenda. Next item is the public forum. I see you. Jillian Gettler, Jillian, do you want to identify yourself and where you're from and do you want to speak in the public forum or not? Well, Jillian Gettler is a intern for the airport. She just started the beginning of the week. She just graduated from Rice High School and will be with us for the summer. Good. Okay. Thank you for having me. Okay. Want to share anything Julian or what? Pretty much covered it. I'm actually on my drive home, which is why I don't have my camera on. And I'm a student. Good. Okay. Next item is the consent agenda for the minutes of the meeting on May 19th. Is there a motion? I'll move approval as presented. Second. Somewhere. Second. Any discussion? Seeing none. Oh, favor. thing to add to that. I think it's noteworthy on the passenger and operational statistics. This is the first time in a year that we are now in positive numbers above last year. Obviously last year was we're reporting April on this packet right here. So April was the month that really saw the significant decline. And I think the percentages obviously are massive, we're a thousand percent over last year. But we're not going to recover, which I think is noteworthy. Okay, good. Any further comments? Okay. All right, so we'll move along to, so I guess that identifies the implements. All right, next. Next is an action item regarding Pike airfield mill and overlay. Somebody want to make a motion? Oh, I'll motion. I move to approve. I'll second. Most remain the second to prove the and recommend to the city council the proposal for a contract of pike airfield mill and overlay. Does someone start for to explain that a bit? Larry. Larry, Nick and I have been working with Pike after administering an RFP for certain areas of the airfield that do need to be addressed. And you're excited to get this to you all for these repairs, so that we can have them done potentially before our inspection. Okay. Now, what is the, I forgot, what's the price for, is this a, how is this paid for, or how is it costed out? Our own capital budgeting here at the airport. Okay. Well, I guess, what's the cost of this? Let's put it that way. Yeah, it'll be about $262,000. And was this a competitive bid or is this RFPs or what? Yes, it was RFP and Pike was the only responded. Any further questions? Any further questions? Are you ready for the question? If so, all in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed, no. So ordered. Next item is the airfield lease agreement. Is there a motion to approve that? Actually, somebody wants to speak up or raise your hand. I'll move to approve the agreement as presented. All second. Most remaining second to approve the agreement, the airfield lease amendment with some staff explaining that for us. So this is, this is the airfield or airline lease agreement that the agreement that we've worked, this was now over five years ago with the signatory airlines, which is Delta, American, JetBlue and United Airlines. During COVID, of course, things, things halted a little bit with the contract negotiations or lease negotiations and the airlines, especially during our credit rating, agreed to extend the existing lease by a year, which is what you're looking at right here. This is the official document that we'll bring forward, of course, to you Board of Finance City Council to extend it officially for a one-year period of time with those four airlines. Well, Nick, why one year, not five years, or what's why one year and not renegotiate? Yeah, that's a good question. So this, this will give us at least the opportunity to continue those negotiations because, because I think all of us, including the airlines, it is a really good contract and I think there's, there's some amendments that are being proposed and this will give us that timeframe to officially create those changes. Okay, so negotiation underway with all the airlines or were just one or two? This was with all four, all four signatory airlines, United American, JetBlue and Delta and I'm sure Frontier will join that position as well. They were not here when we originally signed the contract. Bill, they did us a favor when we were, as Nick said, as we were meeting with Moody's and Fitch to reaffirm the intent, you know, to re-sign another year with us. So that was like, they didn't have to do that, you know, certainly they have been challenged and for them to do that, they felt very good about the relationship and moving forward. And I see some, like Nick said, some slight changes, very little in our negotiations. It's a win-win and has been, it's been a good model to be used for the industry. Okay, how about that? Is it, what's that airline to Boston and are they, are they included in that or not? They'll probably be invited to the table on that. Boutique Air is the name of the company, but they'll probably be invited on that conversation as well, if they wish. Just a point, not all airlines have to sign this agreement to operate at the airport. We have signatory airlines, which are those that sign the agreement and non-signatory. So there is a 25% increase in the cost to operate if you're a non-signatory. But Boutique and Frontier actually continuing for the next year and Boutique for three years, their fees are already waived for one of our incentive programs to get additional services to the airport. Good, thank you. Any other questions of staff? Tina, are you ready for the question? If so, all in favor say if I'm saying aye. Aye. I'll oppose no. No, short order. We have a recommendation to the city council. Construction update is that, no, the financial, Marie is not there. You've all had the financial package sent to you. Do you have any questions of the financial package that could be answered by staff? Or any questions on the financial package? First of all, someone make a motion to accept it and place it on file. Somebody make a motion? I'll move to accept the financial report from Marie and place it on file. Thanks, Jeff. Second somewhere? I can second that. Okay, Tim. Any questions on this issue? I just don't know if staff has anything that they'd like to share in Marie's absence about the results from the month? No, I would recommend if people have questions to write Marie directly. She'll be back next week and she'll be able to. I wouldn't want a micromanager in any way. Everything's headed in really favorable, better than we thought with our numbers. And I would say that there's nothing at this point to worry about, unless we get a COVID kicks back in the fall and winter. Right now we're in really good shape to make it through the year and playments are up substantially. Yeah, so no, Tim, I could keep talking about that, but the answer is we're feeling very good. Okay, thank you. All right. All in favor of accepting the report and placing on file signify by saying aye. Aye. I'll oppose no. So the next one is a construction update. Larry? Yes. Okay. As everybody knows, we're out there wrapping up of phase seven dash one of the apron project. We submitted a grant for phases seven dash three, which we have just been accepting the work of the FAA so they can start issuing grants to receive the grant for the balance or that $6.5 million in this note. And I can show you some pictures of what's going on with seven dash one right now. So basically, these are rows of concrete and that have been placed with dowels. And as you can see, a good portion of that phase is free. We anticipate finishing this by the end of the month and putting over to phase 6A, which is to the north of this small section between the old ramp and this new ramp. And this just shows a pore of the rows on how they form and place the concrete over the, you can see in the front, in the front of the picture, by two minutes that's concrete that's under the Portland concrete cement. So that's how they do it. Now, then we can go on to... Can I just ask, does that make it just really strong or last longer, or is it for heaving and, you know? It's everything. Each of these sections are about 20 by 20, so they are sealed, so no water can get in. So there's no, you know, water or frost that easily heat. There's a significant subbase. There's five inches of, by two minutes, gave us over the subbase, then there's 15 inches of concrete over that, so it's very sturdy. Thank you. On the, they're good for about 25 years, roughly. That's what we're replacing right now is, you know, we're going to be in really good shape as we finish up these phases. The entire apron has been done, and this will be the, like a bonus for us, and for putting additional aircraft, but the quality and the way that it was built will really give us a lot more flexibility at the airport. So we're all good work from, you know, the crew here getting the monies and making this happen. Great. So the main overnight section is what they're working today, second floor, additional aircrafts, this is wrapping up. I think we had mentioned your talk about the fact that we only put down one layer of paint last year. We want to come back this year and brighten everything up for the second coat that was required by the contract and getting ready for the aerial photography that took place last week of the new airfield with a totally finished taxiway gulf and all the other improvements we've done over the last few years. So this is just, you know, a lot of aircraft lead lines with a designation of where taxiway gulf is coming to. Vehicle service road, this is where, you know, our ops people people on the airfield drive on the non-movement area, so they can access around this site. So this is just a service road where you take vehicles and trucks and that's it. Then final stabilization of those areas that you've loaded during the winter because of the finish, the late finish construction last year, just as you can see here, small areas, wheat. So I think you're looking good out there on your taxiway gulf and wrapping that project out for finishing all that, wrapping up all the payments and all that type of stuff right now. And which way do we go? So this is just for our games. Keep going. Terminal immigration project, as everybody knows, we have a design bill contract. We're doing some maintenance work here now to be prepared for full-blown construction and ground-breaking ceremony, hopefully over the next month, month and a half. We had our final DRB, self-related DRB meeting on June 1st. We, I guess, I mean, others are very busy in self-related, so they are anticipating a decision to their July 6th meeting. Part of this project had some excess landscaping fees that are required by the city self-related zoning rules, which required us to spend them somewhere else. And a couple years ago, we came up with a overall landscaping plan from Williston Road, Airport Drive, Airport Parkway, and Kirby, and sort of for consistent work. So they asked us to start down to Williston Road. So we had a hearing last night with the self-burned PRB on the approving of the look of that entrance off Williston Road on the Airport Drive, which they're closely hearing on, and we anticipate a decision soon, which means that we'll be able to get Arizona's permits to start both of these projects. Security system, I see like Nick's kind of taking the lead on the security system upgrade. It's ongoing, you want to say anything about that? Yeah, I think that's the gist of it. It's ongoing. A lot of the hardware is installed between the cameras, access control readers throughout the terminal and the airport. We're about 30 to 50% completed, so we still have we still have some work to do and a lot of back-end stuff behind the scenes being accomplished. Really good upgrades, real good quality stuff. We're very happy about that. Can I ask you if this will help overcome the reduction in force of the Burlington Police Force and its potential impact? It won't have any effect on that. We have a minimum requirement here at the airport and we must have what we have at the police department, so we have a contract with the police department, so the officers we have we have and there's no negotiation there. It's a requirement of the TSA and FAA, so we have to maintain those standards or the airport will not work. Okay, so the city just manages it somewhere else? Okay. Good question. Inline bagging screen, as we received a grant for the design of the inline bagging system, you reviewed this and approved us to move forward to the city board of finance and the council at our last meeting. There was some glitch somewhere, so we it's been moved back actually to June 28th for approval, so then in turn we can sign this agreement and start the preliminary sexual review to see what this entails to bring us forward. Everett Kimball in school is cruising along, we're waiting for school then to start that. Sound insulation project, same thing, you blessed us at our last meeting. We were just waiting to get before city council to sign the agreement to get this going, which is again, 628. Quick update on the sound project overall. The implementation plan specifically for you, Alan, is completed, so we're going to be sending that around hopefully this week or early next week to both South Burlington, Rusky, and Williston, all of the municipalities that play a role in that and moving forward with this first particular grant here, we'll have some letters explaining for the 10 houses, and that includes just as a quick reminder, that includes the full outreach, design, and construction of those 10 houses, and then the initial work, the initial effort or the qualification of the next 50 houses as part of this grant that Larry put together, so moving along quickly and still working with other partners like the Department of Defense on potential other funding opportunities, although it does not look like this fiscal year, that's a possibility. And when do you think that plan will be sent out? It's just wrapping up with me and then I'm planning on sending that out either this week or next week. Okay, thanks. 10 hotspot remediation project as you review and approve us to move forward with city council and board of finance. We are anticipating grant to make these improvements which are new guard lights and some removal of a large area of pavement out there. It doesn't need to be there. Again, we are just waiting until we can get city council pool and then obviously the grants to be received. Once we receive them, we will move that forward and start this project. This project is one, the guard lights, pavement removal, the markings are anticipated to start right now around June, sorry August 8th, obviously dependent on grant offer, our acceptance, and then contract sign to move this part forward. We are out to bid right now for the, also included in that is also a bill and overlay on taxiway, Charlie, and we're waiting for the grant on that and we are out to bid for the parallel taxiway new kilo that will connect taxiway, Charlie to the end of runway one to further improve those hotspot locations we think we'll have in the next four weeks and hope that there's more allocation of money available so we can get a grant issue for that if not it will be next season. So, NOAA, that's the improvements to the terminal renovations, everything's done, been bid, GSA, NOAA has to work through GSA through this and they are making sure every door knob is eligible and it's a little bit of a process to them. So we're kind of waiting on them to less everything so that we can move forward those improvements to the NOAA national weather service area that consistent with our long term grant. We have eased a place for both Chamberlain school and Winooski, we ordered those monitors and and they are being processed, we anticipate delivery within six weeks. We're still working with Williston on a location but we're going to get all three ready and continue to process and progress with those in the next six weeks of trying to location. We can have another location this week to try to get what they need and we need for that. Larry, what kind of, what kind of, are you getting printouts and from the results of those monitoring stations or what kind of a result are you getting if any? Yeah, not yet Bill. So the monitors themselves are not yet installed in the neighborhoods. So part of this project though will have a public portal or an online website that the public can go to or you can go to actually see that information and the data and read our information associated with aircraft noise in those particular monitors. So that's coming later this summer. Okay, thank you. I actually have a question, how long after the installation of these devices will will we be able to see data from them? Yeah, almost immediately. So we're working while they're putting together the hardware and the actual pieces together to install the monitor. We're working on the back end or the public portal and the websites etc. So that when everything's put together, when everything's in the field, all of that comes online at once and then we can kind of push that out to the public and the neighbors to access almost immediately. Okay great, thank you. Can I ask it when you install the one Chamberlain school, will that be done concurrently with the the noise insulation? Or is it really different? It'll be close. It'll be close. It's six weeks. I think it's June 8. But don't get them confused. Right. Two different groups of people. I understand that. I'm just thinking about you know being on site and working if you're going to do both of them. They'll be close. Helen, the school year that extended today, so we're now back in June 21. I think the Monday following the 18th to start a Chamberlain school. So that's about six weeks. We'll be around the same time. It's certainly not as it's not as a truce of either. This is going to be a lot of it built off site and then brought to the site with with some fence work. It's like a trailer. Probably the most challenging element of it will be installing the fence and that's not going to be very loud. So I would assume there will be no disruption and more one day it won't and next day it will be there. Okay, thank you. In the last item as you know we continue to work on last year's projects, this year's projects. We really got to start looking ahead to next year's grant applications now and this great calls system upgrade is one of the top on the list in our CIP to start an engineering and permitting this year so we can apply for a grant or have all that in place by the end of the year like the FAA would like for a grant application in next May. This is just the first step and with all the other ones that will be coming up that we have to be prepared for for next year's grant. So I'm just starting to think ahead here. That's all I got. Any questions? Any further questions of Larry? Larry just one quick question on the terminal integration project. Yeah and that seems like it's moving along pretty nicely. Do you have any feel as to if you could have your crystal ball as to when construction might start if everything goes the way we think it might? Gene wanted it May 15th. I said if everything goes perfect it will be July 15th and Nick said September 15th. So right now if we anticipate somewhere between July 15th and September 15th. So things haven't gone perfect which you wouldn't expect but I was hoping so but they've gone pretty well so that's what we're at. Well that's August 15th then is somewhere in the middle. Yeah somewhere we're hoping in the next six weeks six to six uh sorry six to eight weeks you know we're still pushing for that my goal is July 15th. We're just the only thing we're waiting for is a self-growing process and they are taxed right now. They have a lot of work and they're processing a lot of projects so we're just in there with others and we're waiting for them to work through the system. Yeah we've got to draft that 250 permit for two months and all our stormwater, waste water, everything's in place so we're just waiting. Yeah it's just a process. Okay we all we all sit with that any further questions of Larry? Okay without objection we'll accept that and place it on file. Next item is the sound data. Who's going to give us the update on sound data? I see the report here is interesting. Anything unusual about the sound data? Can you see the screen? Bill can you see it? Yeah now I can. Sure I was looking at the printout. Okay yeah. So so this is that call list that I supplied to you just on the map here so we had a cynically less calls this month but from the similar areas a little bit more in them. A couple more from Williston but pretty similar to last month. It's pretty okay. It's following the same roughly the same pattern? Yeah. Okay okay good okay. The most surprise that the new north end gets so many but we don't get more and put it that way. I'm surprised we don't get more complaints from new north end from people I've talked with out there anyway. Okay thank you but we'll accept that and place that on file unless there's... A quick question if I may. I can't remember if it was the last meeting or what that means about getting maybe an overlay of the flight path of where the F-35s fly and see if that correlates in any way to where the complaints are coming from. Is that something that we can get at some point in the you know next month maybe? Yeah so this new noise monitoring system and the public portal that's associated with it is going to be much more powerful than manually entering the noise complaints as you see right here. Within the public portal you're going to see exactly what you just referenced Tim. You're going to be able to see actual radar track information on a particular date and time. The F-35s are much more difficult to track because it's a military classified aircraft that is very difficult to see on radar data that we have but you'll still be able to see some information associated with the F-35s including the first aircraft that departs in a group of aircraft. They always depart groups as I think you all know. Members of the public will also be able to enter directly into the website into the portal their noise complaint information their addresses it'll automatically log it on a map just like this it'll be able to provide us e-maps and then those overlays of not only over a period of time but at a specific point in time in a specific place what may be causing that particular noise complaint to come into the airport. So it is it is much more powerful a lot more data associated with it and a lot more reporting methods that will be able to publish and share with you as well. So I think the answer to your question is wait and see. I'm good with that yeah I'm good with waiting and seeing you know what this new data looks like. I think you're going to be quite impressed Nick and I were doing a demo last week and right to a T it worked out really well for us so and you know the person who was asking inquiring about the issue was really impressed I mean it was something that we were able to just look at a template and just as you just spoke just perfectly. Okay okay let's move on to the South Burnington update Helen have anything to The only update is the Planning Commission has appointed two people to the subcommittee to look at airport zoning changes. I believe they want a counselor also and then a couple other people I can't remember probably Gene knows and so I will move forward and and get a council appointment maybe on Monday. Okay now that's for the property across from the airport where the houses were removed is that correct? Well I think it's a little broader than that but it is considering maybe a more concerning changes. Just so we don't misrepresent it is not across from the airport. It is down where the dog park used to be right is where it is. I just don't want people to think that across from the airport we're doing anything we have not asked for that we're only working on the dog park north and that is it it's a very small area and it's one that doesn't have any other residential homes and we're touching it except for across the street and that is it so you know we really are trying to keep the scope limited and so that we can put our energy you know into this request and not go to global and you know confuse people with what the need actually is. The current need for the airport is this land that is right next to our runway and it's also the space that's closest to the runway and the community so we believe by developing this area by putting a two or three story building it would be a great sound barrier for the community and down the road. Okay thank you Gene. I think the other part of my report is I believe at this point now every single city councilor has had at least a two-hour tour of beta technology and they are all very very enthusiastic about that company and its future plans and just the way they've approached life and work and business so I don't see the council putting up any roadblocks to anything that they want to do and then just lastly I know we had a special meeting Monday and I couldn't make it and I just want to put out there that I don't mind special meetings when you know there's something that we really need to vote on that isn't particularly controversial or anything I'm just sorry this sort of regionalization report came out of the blue we had certainly heard about it a year and five months ago it wasn't fresh in my mind and then it turned out I couldn't make the meeting so I just would encourage management to carefully pick the special meeting topics with some care so that if discussion needs to happen then we all really have the time and the meeting has the time to carry through on that. Caroline we were asked by the administration to do that and I think you and I had a discussion about that and so and the purpose of the meeting was that the information had been out a long time and that what they wanted to do is before city councilor I'm sorry city attorney Blackwood retired or left the city that she would have the opportunity to answer questions to the city council in Burlington and that it's a Burlington document and one that we will just you know distribute throughout the state community but she is the author and we really didn't want to miss that opportunity to distribute that so the mayor you know reached out to me and asked us to put that together on Friday and we did so and so that's what happened he wanted to make sure we had that opportunity. Well maybe you can share that perspective with the mayor as well I understand people retire but I suspect he knew she was retiring before Friday so it's just an observation thank you I'll let him know we get you Helen we get you okay we're going on to the director's report Jean we have actually had an absolutely amazing month since we last last met and I am so pleased you know with the team the airlines and everything that they have done here at the airport to bring it back you know last week I was so pleased to see that we had hit 9,000 in payments for this week that we're in that is nothing less than amazing to you know tells you so much about your community and how strong we are but also how well resilient this airport is I mean everybody has stepped up and everybody I am just so pleased on how transparent how wonderful things have run Helen had mentioned beta technology again I want to thank this team here for bringing beta where it is you know it's nice to go on visits and see what's happened but they are here because of this airport and nothing else really and it'll be a community effort to make sure that they are here in the future and that they're manufacturing so you know I look forward to you know all the help we can get you know from South Burlington to make this amazing opportunity come to fruition it is something that you know this team works with beta every day we were having a meeting today Nick was leading a meeting with the FAA and they reported in that our implements you know private aircraft training are up 100 percent it's pretty impressive compared to other airports during COVID so that we performed that a really really high number during COVID for private aircrafts and that was beta and then as well as the F-35s and the other activities that happened a lot of people came to Vermont so we worked really hard as you heard from Larry and Nick and Shelby the construction projects are unbelievable you know that are going on here and I'm very proud of the efforts that they've all done they've worked really hard and endless hours the whole team has we we just I don't know I don't know if we could do much better and you know it's pretty good we've also checked in on the hotel and we should hear within the next week or two what their future plans are and maybe a potential start date we uh am I missing anything guys that you can think of it's just yeah beta had their sketch plan review last night at South Burlington I think that went fairly well and by the way beta you know their project is so much greater than jobs and manufacturing you know what has been transpired here is you know it's that but it's also a campus it's also traffic calming it's also a you know bike pass recreational pass the whole global thing just brings the whole airport together so I would also encourage each one of you as you have time if you haven't been there to set up a time for a tour and it progresses and changes every week so if you went and saw a year ago five months ago three weeks ago you'll want to go again because it's changed so much and so I'm very proud of that relationship and everything that's going on at the airport really good things good things to look forward to okay any questions of jean no questions no questions of jean what is this someone screaming Tim Tim is muted sorry about that jean I followed up on that last point we had talked about you know this was all prior to COVID about having potentially some of our commission meetings either at beta or at you know the Vermont National Air Guard and I think it would be nice to start planning that out for perhaps later this year to see you know certain places of the you know certain key players in the airport up close so you know I just encourage us to start thinking about that again we will thank you for that I if you're all right with it I will probably push it off to early next year and the reason I say that is everybody's still jumpy and they expect fall early winter to be you know it could be resetting or we may be all right but I know the climate at beta you know we have to be able to let the public come to these meetings so I would probably wait I know that their north edition at beta will be done sometime in late October and so I think they probably would prefer I'll ask the question but I would probably want to wait just a little bit and see how things go but I will ask and the guard I think is always open and I so the answer to your question is Tim I will plan it I will make it happen if I make okay great thank you and then my other my other quick question is I noticed that the mannequins in this room have masks on and I was curious you know now that we're at 80% what as a state what what restrictions are still in place in the airport if any pertaining to COVID everybody that walks around in the airport in the public area still has to wear masks until I think it's august 15th right or september it's september 15th and these mannequins by the way Tim have not been vaccinated so they have to wear their masks there you go okay all right any more questions of jean jean just to follow up on that but the airlines aren't pulling back on masks september 15th are they no okay um but each one is individually different they're not they're not regulated as a group so what they decide to do is what they decide to do I mean I personally will be wearing a mask during from now on on any of my travel and I would highly recommend that to everybody else um I think there's a lot to it you know as we all have talked I think you and I talked the other night about this Helen we haven't had a cold I mean this is a beautiful beautiful thing and I think if anything I'm just going to make more masks good okay I will join you and wearing masks when I fly for sure and the mannequins are legal so anyway any other questions of jean okay commissioners items commissioners you have any items you want to bring up and discuss I just wanted to give I do bell I just want to give everyone the opportunity who wants to talk about the the regionalization conversation that happened on Monday at city council the the platform to do so I know that you know to Helen's point we did find out last Friday about a meeting on Monday and that didn't allow for a lot of time for preparation so I just you know want to make sure that any any commissioner that had a viewpoint on regionalization just has the opportunity to to speak up on that you want to right now sure well if I'd been at the meeting I would not have voted for it um this council in south Burlington um did take a position in 19 I mean 19 in 2018 I we haven't taken a another vote I certainly wasn't anticipating this public vote on on the report but I you know I certainly appreciate why it was scheduled when it was and I think there are certainly conversations that continue in the legislature ironically I was scheduled with senator Chittenden who's really a strong advocate of regionalization I don't think that's where I sit but I you know appreciate other perspectives and viewpoints and we were supposed to have a conversation with the governor just to sort of parse out where he was thinking and get his thoughts on it I don't think senator Chittenden is any in any big hot sweat nor I certainly am not either um but ironically that got canceled because he had his press conference to open up the state which was a little more important so that's you know my position and that's where I think I think it is slow going in the legislature but I was willing to um since I know the governor fairly well to go with tom to that meeting or it was a phone call it wasn't a meeting I I just want to explain a couple of things that have not been uh does not have not surfaced this would be a charter change for the city a change in the charter which requires a vote Burlington voters to approve this and I just don't see on the horizon anything that would really persuade the voters of Burlington to give up management of the airport we're trying I think the effort according to senator Chittenden and city of south Burlington they're trying from the top down in legislature or whatever to take over the management of the airport that's not the way it's going to go it's got to start with the voters of Burlington and I'm not sure what the incentive would be to tell Burlington voters give up management of the airport let somebody else do it that's that is not surfaced and yet that is the case secondly or secondly the airport's doing finding clearly the airport's doing fine and the fAA by the way the fAA has to approve anything like this too and uh if the fAA says oh wait a minute they're going to be taken over by whatever that phase where I say why are they doing something wrong they're not providing services that's not that's not a selling point the airport's doing too too good a job and I just think it's a the positions that take over the regionalization of the airport there's not going to do anything more in fact it would do less than what Gene and his team are doing they're doing a fine job and uh I just think that they ought to take a look at what's the incentive to that and probably the airport is I think it's assessed at 75 million dollars and we've I don't know anybody's talked about that if they're going to take it away from Burlington and regionalize it our Burlington taxpayer is going to be uh given some money in in lieu thereof and where's that money coming from these are the questions folks that ought to be addressed and or not all it is is so I think just some rhetoric at the top that uh there's not going to go anywhere so all I can say folks who want to take over our airport good luck because it ain't going to be easy okay thank you it's enough for my two cents anyone else I'll just uh weigh in um quickly and say that I really um I thought it was a really good comprehensive report um by city attorney Blackwood um so I just enjoyed reading it it gave me some insight that I hadn't had before um and I you know I have a lot of the same thoughts that that bill does I feel like the airport is as healthy as it's ever been you know obviously notwithstanding COVID but um I think the airport's in a really good position it's managed incredibly well it's got a great staff and the risk frankly to the region to you know at a point like this to to try to alter and transform the governance just seems really ill advised and um and I also think the city and all of us have been open to to looking at ways we can improve you know and and do things better and whether that's you know a seat for the city Winooski um or the you know the noise program that that were um that we're working on and I realize not everybody's satisfied or with that but um it just it just seems very odd to think that this would be the time of all times to to look at a governance um major governance shift and so I you know I fully support the city council's um recommendation that the airport remain in control by the city of Burlington. Thank you Joe. I don't disagree um and this is certainly has nothing to do with the management of the airport um I'm a big supporter of Gene I think he's done um an incredibly good job and his team is amazing um and the airport is beautiful and the improvements are phenomenal I think um the purpose to maybe not necessarily consider different well maybe not I guess different governance is the wrong word but um you know I think there still are some issues that um need to be continually resolved and attentive to and I think um Gene and Nick and the team have done a really good job um and having that conversation even in the with the governor or with um people in the legislature um may only strengthen that and not necessarily um jump to the conclusion that we've got to restructure the airport but um I mean I will say it was disappointing when the charter change was a seat for Winooski and then another seat for Burlington and I didn't quite understand that um I think you know a seat for Williston would have been good because then you really bring in some of the um I don't know concerns of communities that are impacted but um I think those are things that can continue to be um explored actually Helen that was for a majority vote Burlington wants to keep the majority vote on the commission so that's well it still would have been a majority vote but it also wanted to make it odd so you didn't have an even number of commissioners well so you could have had a Williston one and then you have three outliers and four um Burlingtonians I I guess that's my you know it's kind of for advisory anyway um so I just I'm just telling you how I feel okay so I respect all of your um points of view and I would agree that the report was was well written I think they left out one piece about how we developed first we had to go to court thanks to the city of Burlington to figure out how to come up with uh payment a little taxes um but and that's coming up again right Jean that was a 10-year program and we have just a couple years earlier pardon me 13 year we went to I think we went back to court because South Burlington did not tax the airport properly so we went to court to get that uh definition I think we now have a formula to use to move forward so I hope we can continue that you bet but it did cost each of us about a quarter of a million dollars to um negotiate it out so but but I don't think that is the situation um that we see now okay but it just wasn't mentioned in the report I just thought that was strange that you wouldn't want to talk about the payment and move taxes that's all in terms of historical understanding to Jeff's point okay let's run away in on this before we close this down okay yeah Bill I would Bill I would just like to speak briefly and again I agree with you know the the Burlington City Council and the points that you and and and both that Jeff made today and Jeff made uh on Monday um you know I won't reiterate all the reasons why why I think the current structure is good I just I am concerned that I'm glad Helen mentioned the Williston seat because I have heard that one of the reasons what that the charter change got held up in Montpelier is because there's conversation about taking the additional Burlington seat that was um which was uh approved in addition to the Winooski seat and basically conferring that to Williston um and I just want to point out that that is not what this body considered that is not what the city council approved and that is not what the voters of Burlington approved so I would hope that you know when this charter change issue does get taken up in Montpelier that that um the legislators in Montpelier will respect the the wishes of the voters of Burlington and keep it to being a seat for Winooski an additional seat for Burlington. I think Helen would agree the government operations committee probably would not do that I mean there'd be a major change and they're not well ready to do that. Well they don't always agree on charter changes also right I mean it's not a fair to complete correct gets passed in the community the legislature doesn't always pass it right okay but whatever I mean I just it's a another perspective and it's I think worth considering okay anyone else yes if I say a few words um so uh the reasoning I held up just so everybody knows it was Thomas Chittin and at the very end tried to maneuver those seats around that's not what we discussed but um I do want to talk about regionalization and I think that we do need to look at what 100 years has done and that's what that report did if you take your time which some of you have done and you read it they did a I think did a really nice job picking up the pros and the cons of the 100 years and I think it's well worth distributing to the rest of the state and letting people understand what has transpired here by the city of Burlington for the last 100 years the it's been really hard work and fantastic management and again I believe many of the surrounding communities agreed with the history and where what it needed to happen in the past it's just most recently that the agreement wasn't the same but we're not the city and the airport isn't in the position to override the air force we all signed an agreement but the bottom line is is that I think it's important that we work forward being open on us and direct and that we are considerate of what's transpired if you look throughout the entire state a lot of other airports started 100 years ago but this one managed the way that it was turned out the way it was and so I you know you have to give that a lot of credit and the people in the past have done an amazing job it's not just this administration it's the last 100 years and it's a sacrifice that Burlington has put financially and management wise and I think that's why we're very proud of our ownership and tradition of doing been a great steward for the airport and for our community but that's just my opinion okay I think we've all weighed in on that all right so moving any other commissioner items okay saying none anyone want to address the follow-up items at all so Bill I'm happy to lead the follow-up item section so we have four okay so we have four from last meeting so the first one actually pertains to you Bill the noise data from the air guard there was a request the airport staff contact the public relations officer at the air guard to find out if noise data they receive can be provided to the airport commission curious if there's an update from the airport staff on that we met with the air force of the guard last week and we went over that we did not get was it a yes or no nick what did we wasn't an either war right yeah I think we're going to continue it in our monthly conversations we will be getting together again with them in July okay thank you okay so Bill how would you like to deal with this issue from a follow-up item perspective should we just keep it on keep it on the agenda okay we'll do next is rental car negotiations Jeff Shulman had requested an update during the director's report at the June meeting so that continues we are still in negotiations with the rental cars and really hasn't changed the Joe McNeil is handling those for the airport and working with Tim Tim Devlin and Eileen in the city attorney's office um it's not a negotiations it's an open RFP process right did you hear that it's an open RFP process still is what Nick just said so it's not a negotiation it's a it's an RFP process that we are processing and that's with each of the um separate um companies hurts that the each rental car company and anybody else that's interested in participating in the process um the rental car industry is still hemorrhaging I would call it challenged you know they are they lack inventory um they're having they're still haven't rebounded so they're having challenges I think even thinking ahead on how they may you know get involved in this contract so I think they're trying to figure out what they're going to be when they're done this and I know that hurts has gone through a bankruptcy and is still trying to figure out you know what it will be when it's done but I think you know Joe does a really good job in negotiating Shelby has worked directly with everybody to keep them together and I'm feeling optimistic we did extend the date of the the RFPs are due back they needed more time and we extended that a month and anything else yeah it's just it's ongoing and it's just got pushed out is the answer okay thank you Jeff are you are you good with that explanation is there any other follow-up you'd like on this topic he gave a thumbs up good thank you very much all right so we can take that off the list then uh next up is the public right to no orientation bill you suggest leaving this on the to-do list yeah this this is a I think I think we violate the open meeting law uh in almost every meeting that we do and I think we ought to be updated on what the open meeting law is I know the town of Grand Isle just from Grand Isle they just had an open meeting law orientation the Essex Junction board is looking at the having a session a work session on the open meeting law and we must have a meeting on the open meet meeting on the open meeting law it's I think the public has the right to know what we talk about and yet our the agenda that we publish has some reflection of what we talk about but nowhere near the topics that we talk so anyway leave that on the agenda until such time as we get an orientation whether it's with Joe McNeil or somebody else who is full knowledge of what that what that means thank you hey bill the the league of cities and towns has an online training and and our city council goes through it where at least everyone is supposed to go through it annually to be reminded well it's been 10 years since this since the airport commission had any orientation on the open meeting law so yeah I'm just saying I think the rules are the same aren't they yes yes so there's a something available well I think we should have a work session on that with someone whether it's league of cities and towns or or whomever do you uh we'll work we'll reach out to the city attorney's office and get a direction on that bill leave it on the agenda then can you do that okay thank you and then the last was sound data bill you had previously requested this be a separate agenda item and the sound data being posted on board dots both of which did happen this month or yeah yeah you can take that off our list and because it is uh we're improving on the information that we're getting on sound and I think all of us are interested in making that a separate item on the agenda okay so that'll leave two carry-over items the noise data from the air guard and the public right to know orientation uh does anyone have anything else that should be added to the list the follow-up items well didn't you want to put um Tim the meeting in different places and and I know Jean said that would be put off but if you want to be reminded of that it should be on the list we don't have to take it up till he's ready but very good point thank you Helen I appreciate that okay we're up to date then I think so all right who's ready to make the motion to adjourn we want to do I'll move adjournment hold second all in favor signify by saying hi hi all right our next meeting I think will be in person I think anyway thanks guys we'll see you next in July sometime yeah yeah by that time we should be a meeting person thank you okay everybody thank you