 Yeah, when I was doing the Course Miracle Workbook Lessons, and I really Sit back and look at what he was asking in a lot of the lessons, and I'm like, you know, this is the course's path to meditation, the workbook. You know, where he talks about we start the day in silence, and as you move along progressively, it's like if you can say, oh my gosh, this is a this is a methodology in reaching deeper and deeper meditative states. That's what the workbook of the Course Miracles actually is. It's just like we have TM, Transcendental Meditation, and there's just many, many different techniques and breathing and poses and postures and so on and so forth. This is Jesus's way, and the thing about it is I think it has to do a lot with readiness too because it's not so much a matter of time. A lot of people, I think, will hear or feel meditation would be helpful in their life, but they don't know where they are in terms of readiness, and if they try to meditate for 5 or 10 or 15 minutes, sometimes they can gauge it, like you can feel the resistance, the restlessness, the difficulty, and there's nothing special about time, about closing your eyes for a certain amount of time and having the monkey mind just chattering and roaring away in there. It's more about clearing away the obstacles in your mind, which is what the Course is about, removing the obstacles, and as you do this progressively, your mind is more and more ready for the stillness. It's more of a natural stillness, you know, like the Buddhists talk about open-eyed meditation. It's not even a meditation that requires you to even have your eyes closed. It's just more, it becomes more of a state of mind as you clear away the obstacles, the breathing, the chatter goes down, the static just goes down and down, and so some people try to supplement their work with the Course with meditation, although I really feel like if you just follow the Course and you follow what the directions are, instructions, you are doing, that is your gateway into meditation. You don't really need to throw on another technique or something else. There's even one part of the Course where Jesus says, this Course has everything you need. That was good for me. I was ready to supplement the Course with a lot of other things, you know, it was like, oh, it's fine, you're progressing very well. Just follow the instructions and it was kind of nice. I was kind of leaving no stone unturned, and I was in the bunches of different pathways and techniques and strategies and this and this and this, and to read that, it was like, oh, that feels really good. So then you could say I kind of gave myself over to the Course in that way, and I didn't feel the need to be supplementing and mixing it with a bunch of other things. I actually stopped reading that stack of books by my bed, I just used the workbook lessons, and I wasn't like trying to do meditation on top of anything or whatever. And you know, I found it really worked. I found it did lead to a very still mind, and I don't have that monkey mind and that chatter going on. It's a natural state now, so it's not like surprising or, you know, it's just, you know. It's the natural state of mind. I can say that, so it's one of the things to do, one of the things to worry about is, like, you say I stick with the Course, not think I should be meditating or having to do anything else. It just seems a lot of people meditate, that's all. I was curious about that. Maybe there was something I was missing out on. I don't know how much, I think the more you get into the miracles, the more Jesus says miracles are involuntary and they should not be under conscious control. So a lot of times, I think if you went around and you talked to people, they would say, I just found myself sitting or closing my eyes, and it's not like there was like a conscious saying, like, I'm going to meditate now, you know, which is the way that it seems at the beginning, because it's like another activity, you know, it's an activity. It's not as, not so much a state of mind at the beginning, it's more of an activity to practice. And then there's this, like, the other night, I was over there off the kitchen and we just finished dinner and after the wedding and I was just kind of feeling how I'm just kind of taking, walking around there and that's when Sonia came to me and just said, could you spend a few minutes with me and we went on the couch and spent a little time and people came to the party, the dance was going on over here and I was just guided to kind of walk up the field and went into the house up at the top of the hill and the candles were lit and Suzanne was just in there, just eyes closed and candles lit while the party and the dancing and the jamming and everything was going on, she was up there and then afterwards I saw her and she said, wow, that was really great, but there's still a part of my mind that's going, you should be down there joining with your brothers and sisters and dancing and this and this and she said, but I didn't really feel it, felt like just lighting some candles and I was aware of the dance party and the celebration of the jamming going on, but I felt to just be in the stillness, I said, that's wonderful, I'm so glad you just followed what was in your heart and you didn't buy into that shit and get down there and she said, yeah, because I feel really quiet and this feels really good and I feel like I've done so many treats and done so many of these things for so many years and even when I'm moving the chairs going, it's kind of ironic, so like 20 some years of moving chairs for bodies to sit in for retreats and then just sitting up there lighting some candles, you know, it just was inviting, it was delicious, you know, it was calling her heart and she went with it and she says, thank you, thank you for being a reflection of saying you're perfect just where you are, you don't have to play the retreat hostess, the retreat hostess with the mostess, you know, trying to, you know, be concerned for are there enough chairs, are the conditions right, are they, they, you know, it's like a mother hand, they, they, you know, she did a lot of kitchen duty that day, remember that was the day that she felt, she felt just guided to go in the kitchen, right, I love that, it takes it away from like this, because if there's something else hovering in your mind, and I know Karen, we've talked, because when you wanted to come to this retreat, it was like, I don't want to be feeling obligated to a role as she said, what is it about this picture, again, first time in three days, the key thing is, you know, it's the obligation, the feeling of this obligation, like, you know, like obligated or indebted, or my happiness depends on having a camera in front, you know, that's the feeling, you know, that we're going for is that sense of freedom.