 What's up? So I'm not gonna say big deal because I've kind of got a lot of big bills coming. Business as usual. Biggest thing I want to ask you man, you're a technique savant. I love picking your brain talking about wrestling. I know you study unbelievable amount and you've been in this coaching game for a minute. Explain a little bit about your drive to be a great technician and like what keeps you wanting to be that technician? I just enjoy it mostly. I think I just enjoy it so much that it's not really a job it's just keep developing and can't stop developing. If you do then you get passed up but it's really not so much out of fear just it's mostly just because I enjoy it. Oh I could watch wrestling every day you know so it's a nice thing about having kids but he put in the bed he lay with him at night. I could watch about a good hour of film. So you got you got brothers and coach you came up to the Oklahoma State program. I've always marveled at everybody that comes through the program. It seems like I'm a contact with is a great technician. Even if they weren't an amazing wrestler national champ and I asked Perry about that and I've asked Coleman I've asked everybody like what experience did you have or maybe it was in your brain before that you just want to be a great technician and perfect technique but what has that been like? I mean that's what drew me to Oklahoma State was the skill and technique. You know being around Coach Smith for the past you know almost you know almost 20 you know 18 19 years now you know so you know but that's what drew me to it. I mean ever since younger growing up with you know my club coach Bernie Monaco and then not to Blair or Buxton and you know my my kind of mentality was always kind of based around skill you know so kind of developed that love for it at a young age and just stayed with it so I mean that's what drew me to Oklahoma State other than I mean the tradition and you know wearing the orange and black and the great guys that came through the programs I mean there's just a ton of reasons why to kind of go through it so. You talk to even old heads now guys that have been around the sport a while and talk about darkfish TV and stuff like that like there's still a lot of people that have no clue. That was the only source for any type of international wrestling. When did your love for international wrestling start? Yeah you know that's kind of like the debate right now is why some of these kids younger so much better and they argued coaching or they already do dark TCs and they argued this but you know in order for me to get a tape I had to steal it from my coach and it was only one tape that you could get you know and it was I mean those things were fragile back in the day and people weren't you know people were greedy with them too so I mean they would hoard them but I mean as early our club coach at Edge you know Ernie was you know he taught us you know a lot off of you know the great technicians and a little bit because maybe had the film to show us and you know it's just then he could learn you know extra on your own that's why it's like YouTube now it's like you're watching your rigging tournament today and you can watch our duel and you could watch another duel and last night you could watch a duel you know it's just it's just it's at your fingertips if you can just filter through it and develop from it so you know you really can be your own coach a lot of times you know but a real young age real young age or just doing it because it's a visual learner as most kids are and what you see is what you do you know so so you've mentioned coach Monica a couple times the Godfather pretty much the dude that came up with the private club training idea like he was the first private training club I think ever yeah I think the Seagull Club might might have been one of the first organized kind of USA clubs but like Monaco I mean you go look at the Wall of Fame and guys like you and like all these amazing wrestlers that came out of that I was talking to Coleman early and he kind of came up in Angry Fist with Brinser and those guys so talk about coming up through that club I mean obviously it was compact it was compact so you know he didn't it wasn't I don't want to say water down you know that there's so many different places but you know we had people traveling from two hours away to practice you know to and from two hours away you have people traveling you know nearby so there's this huge radius of of kids that were good you know throughout the state that would come in and even for the nearby states you know it was just a high level of skill you know already had a brother called Monaco that was an NCAA runner up and you know back then it was like if you win your division two nationals you go on to the next one so you know it was just it was just real healthy environment a lot of the skill and a lot of the you know kind of mindset that he gave us you know still lasted his day so sometimes it's even funny like even when I hear coach Smith say something I think I'm like oh Ernie used to say that you know or Bucson used to say that you know so like I was very fortunate to have great coaches in my life that were you know beyond technique but just you know life role models so I mean you're mentioning you mentioned Bucston Smith Monaco you're talking about three guys that made massive impacts and they're pretty much feel the study and feel the training yeah appreciate you letting us catch you appreciate it thanks