 So should I call the meeting to order? Yeah, we have a quorum. It's now I have 402 so I think we should call it to order Okay, so I am calling to order the April 27th 2020 meeting of the local Historic District Commission We're meeting by zoom During the quarantine and we only have two items on the agenda today two new applications I new dryer exhaust at 17 Sealy Street and an update to a sunroom At 194 Lincoln Avenue. So we'll begin with the application at 17 Sealy Street I don't think we have a representative from the property. So we can do you want to present it Nate? Yeah, I can for David Silver is on the line. We have another attendee here. Hold on I held a green bomb. So for people who are attendees you can there's a button that allows you to say raise your hand and then Mr. Slobler when you're when your Presentation is up. I'll move you to a panelist in that way, you know He'll have the same level of communication as you know, the commission members are now are considered panelists and members of the public are attendees so So for now, we'll just do 17 Sealy I can pull up the application If everyone can see it, I'll just scroll down. So 17 Sealy is You know, they're doing some interior work, but it the result of that is a new dryer vent on the rear of the house Facing facing west. So this is the facing the parking lot to first church Yeah, and they're going to cut a dryer vent in up here on the on the wall and so currently it's coming out of a window illegally and they need to actually create a real vent structure and so You know, we've asked them so doing other work on the inside of the house And they said the only thing that's actually going to become a change is this is this protrusion right here of a vent Okay, you know, it'll just be a simple exhaust Cover, you know, like a four by four vent Okay, and I think, you know, as far as I understand, you know, here's a mount an image of it mounted. That's all it will look like Yeah, I have to say I don't mean to digress but it's good they have a screen there because just last week we There was a nest of squirrels were born in Our vent because there was not a screen Wow. Yes They weren't babies but an adult squirrel. No, the adult had left your babies there Yeah, we got them out, but we had to get an exterminator anyway, it was not fun So I'm very conscious now screens on vents. Wow. Yeah, right Yes, squirrels in the house are in the wood in the walls of your house are not a good thing No, they're not they they did all come out though. I have to but Okay, so I guess I nobody they don't have a representative the contractor for this property isn't here, but I guess for The David's over to the other applicants benefit, you know, we the presentation is made and then the commissioners can ask questions of the applicant and Then we go into closed session to discuss and vote on the application so are there any Questions or comments about this about the vent Well, I have one comment that I hope that it's coming off the second floor, which is good because there's children Play areas down below in that in that area Okay, you can see them in the bottom right corner right the sandboxes Uh-huh. Oh, right, right, but at least that seems to be a fair distance away Right, it's almost two stories up. Yes, okay Seem pretty straightforward to me. I had no questions. Yeah So, uh Nate should we do we have to ask for um, you know a motion to close the public hearing Sure a motion to close our motion. Yeah motion for this and you know, maybe an approval with it, too That would be great. I can't do that as chair. So if one of the members one of the commissioners Seconded I seconded. I would need a motion first. Oh I so move that that we close the hearing and approve this approve this proposal I Second all in favor Okay Okay, well, oh, you know, sorry vote on vote by um Unzoom or something like this has to do a roll call. So Jennifer if you call members names because you just say I and I'll record it Okay, um Karen I Greta I Jim I Peggy I Jennifer I okay, great That's that's approved and then I'm gonna move mr. Silver you to a panelist Let's see does it when you move over Or okay So you're now a panelist and you can make yourself viewable if you'd like I'm gonna pull up the application How do I how do I how do I raise my hand you mentioned something about raising my hand without raising my hand? Oh, sure. So now you're a panelist so you can speak at will as an attendee If you're an attendee, I think if you hover over your name or at the bottom of the little screen It might say raise hand and you would click that as an attendee But now as a panelist you're on kind of on same the same par as the commission. So you're able to speak Um as you will I can see all of you Yep, but I don't see raise hand. I see a mute button Yep as a panelist you don't have you don't have to raise your hand because you can just speak any At will oh, okay, anyone can I can hear you and the commission can hear you okay, and um, You know, let me pull up the drawing here um Or an image first if you would want to These are sideways on my view. Is that the way you were all seeing them? Sorry. Yeah, I'll work it in a second. Okay. It is a There we are so there's there's the existing sun porch and if um I mean jennifer if you just want to start it and then we can Have the applicant present a little bit Okay. Um, well, I would I think turn it over to mr. Sloveter to present it some You know requesting new trim uh wood trim and um Windows new glass for the sun room And if mr. David if you want to you know make your presentation that would be great Okay, uh, thank you What we are proposing is Improving the porch so that it can be used year-round right now. It's not insulated And in order to do that And in order to make the floor level which it has never been because it was originally a An open exterior deck Before we badly enclosed it about eight years ago We are proposing to raise the floor the interior floor And uh, so that it will be on a level with the adjoining room and that will create Space below the floor to insulate the floor thoroughly Okay That means that the that the existing glass panels which will be replaced Will need to be raised so the The Transom panel that is above the windows that i'm looking at now. Are we all seeing the same thing on the screen? Yes, okay So the pan the new panels will essentially be the same size as the old panels But they will be raised The the part that you see below the glass Will be floor is where the floor will be raised right so The glass panels need the new glass replacements, which are insulated Need to be raised and that eliminates the need for the transom so really That's that's a good picture right there so the only thing that will be Visible from the outside and it's my understanding that the Question here is strictly about exterior appearance Exactly is is that the The transom glass panels will be eliminated Okay, and they the Vertical rectangular glass panels Will be higher and go almost to the height of The total glass that you see there now Okay, and then along the bottom there will be a broader band which in fact we are Going to make Historically appropriate and more in keeping with The panels below the windows on the original 1895 part of the house Okay, the the the sunroom enclosure that you're looking at now is about Eight or nine years old shortly after we moved here in 2010. Sure. So let me scroll down. I think there's um Sorry for this. So here's the if people can see this. So here's existing right here Well, what gave has been talking about nine. Yeah, and the new one is over here on the right side So, you know, here's the transomies been talking about and here's a break and here's the proposed Right, right. And where you see the bottom right of that drawing where it says recess panel, right? That is a decorative fascia panel That is consistent With the panels that are in the other part of the house from the original design Right and in fact the end result will be that the exterior of the room will be more appropriate to the house Than the panels that there are now. Yeah great Excuse me, okay And that's from the exterior. That's that's it. The roof is not being changed at all uh, the the structure is being the proposed is to Strengthen it and stabilize it because it was originally Just an exterior deck Right none of that is visible. Okay, right. It's not in the structure is not being enlarged at all Not not a half an inch. It's following no Really the the entire other than structurally reinforcing Uh, the glass panel the new glass panels Will follow the exact line of the existing ones. Okay, yeah Okay um Do the commissioners have any questions of the applicant? It sounds like it will look like it had always been there Right It will that's one of the intentions. It will look much more like it Like it has always been there. Yes Uh, just a quick question. Uh, do we assume the evergreen tool be staying in place? Yes, yes, absolutely the hemlocks provide Uh, a lot of privacy and they are on Two of the three sides Uh, the and they're not being cut back or expanded. They're they're not changing at all So basically car carons on the other side of the hemlocks Caron is on the other side of the hemlocks and of the garage. Yeah So I can't see her now and I won't see her when the new when the new thing I have to go out in the street to wave to her. Yeah When you have happy hour during the uh, quarantine, right, right, right Or I can go into my yard to wave to her and But not from the sun porch, right I never realized it wasn't a year round No, we um I will confess to uh, real short sighted stupidity on this one. It was not insulated Uh, the glass was not insulated. The new glass is double pane tempered glass Foam insulation on the floor and in the ceiling will be able to use it year around Downs amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we're looking forward to it Um Okay, so can we uh, actually do the same as we did with the last application Yeah commission has done any more questions, you know, if you're ready to make a finding or Take make a motion you can and then, you know, if there's a vote it has to be by roll call, but okay But we could have a motion to Close the public portion and to approve the application If the commission's wet ready. Yeah. Yeah I think we're ready. Yeah It's pretty straightforward So, um, again, I can't make the motion but I also move I'll be happy to make the motion that we accept the proposal I'll second that we close close discussion and accept the proposal Okay, and Guina seconds it second. Okay, then I will ask for a Vote by name. Uh, let's start with um, Peggy I approve it Uh, Karin I approve it Uh, Guina I approve it Jim I approve And Jennifer I approve Okay This is a record meeting It is and David. Thank you for your patience. This has been, you know This this application came in a while ago and then with All the changes it's been postponed I think twice so Thank you for waiting for us and Why is something going on in the world that affected something? Yeah Yeah, the housing the housing trust was in a similar position the chair Had hoped to meet and I scheduled the meeting and then the town manager said we can't meet so then, you know A lot of people were expecting a meeting and then so if we met last week, but the same thing it was interesting You know, it's taken a while to get technology up up to speed actually Right it's pushing all of us with gray hair into Joining the 21st century a little more than we thought we were going to Even me too faster. I can't believe how many zoom meetings I have a day now So before I get off can I can I ask what When this ruling gets passed on To the building department so that we can move forward It's the delay is is difficult. Sure. Yeah, I can communicate that This evening or tomorrow and so, you know, typically we Jennifer and I would draft up a decision and a certificate with You know knowing this that is coming and it's been approved You know Jennifer can pass it on to get a building permit and the inspectors can start looking at it this week So, you know that you can coordinate with Jennifer Mullins a permanent administrator But I'll let them know to keep keep it moving forward Okay, and who does who specifically does that go to? Jennifer Mullins, she's the permit administrator And then she you know, she'll there's you know a number of inspectors and I'm not sure they've been You know they aren't necessarily coming into the office And so she she knows who she'll figure out who it goes to but there's a few inspectors at Okay, yeah, excellent Yeah, but you don't have to wait till you actually have our signed certificate in hand, right? Okay, who should we contact Jennifer Mullins Jennifer Mullins that you don't need right you can go ahead and do that Okay, great. That's great. Thank you. I will tell the contractor. Okay Thank you. Okay. Thank you. What do I oh do I click? Sorry for my ignorance. Do I click leave? Yes, and I think it'll just say leave alone. Okay. I'll ask you to leave again Sorry, yeah, you if you click leave meeting then it'll it'll ask you to confirm if you really want to leave and then you can just hit, okay Okay, well, thank you all very much. I appreciate the opportunity Okay. Bye. Bye. Bye. I'm waving even if you can't see me. Bye. Bye. Bye Hey everyone, so that was that was quick. Yeah The um, you know, we still have one guest um hill the green bomb. I don't see any she hasn't raised her hand I'm not sure that there's any questions the um You know, I haven't received any new applications either. Uh, she's raised her hand, but Um, there's been no new applications yet. So, you know more than likely and then into the near future At least I know for the next um two months three months will be holding meetings this way So if we get new applications, I'll scan them and email them and then we'll have to have a hearing remotely Okay, um I'm gonna allow hilda to talk right now Hilda, can you can you hear us? She's still on mute paint Oh, she is. No, I'm just saying I have nothing to say and you have a new member. That's my question Oh, no, that's she's asking who ben your ben is Oh, oh hi there. Yeah, I'm a new planner with the town of emmerist, and I'm Okay, okay shadowing Nate. So who who are you missing beside maureen? Bruce Just writing this up for the paper, huh? Oh, yeah, Bruce Bruce. Yeah, Bruce cold um Oh gross. Okay. Yeah, and maureen and I haven't um Bruce had said he was going to make it, but I haven't heard from him. So maybe something came up. Usually he's pretty good Is he back from uh, australia? He did he left early. He uh came back early with with the whole health crisis while he while he could Yes, maybe it wouldn't be a bad thing to be over there for a long time, but you never know That's my question. Yeah All right, so you're all he'll do you don't have any other questions No, no, no just checking Making like up show the facts are accurate for the new I did have a question. I don't know if this would um, you know, we had Before the amherst media, um application We talked about Bringing up before the commission and I don't know if this is the next few meetings or you know Whatever at the time to do it before we have many applications But if we wanted to address the issue of the minimum maintenance bylaw You know, and what I think about with that is Greta the house, um A couple of doors down from you the trawadi house. Yes You know of if we wanted to I don't know if it would have to go before the town council, but of You know beginning to to talk about and maybe have some minimum maintenance bylaws for Yeah, I think yeah, there's another thing I was gonna ask the commission could um We could also start, um Implementing whether or not I wouldn't call it an application fee, but a legal ad fee right so right now We don't we don't we don't charge anyone anything and probably, you know We the the planning department we probably spend any, you know, $5,000 or more every year on legal ads for the local historic districts So, um, you know, we could schedule a public meeting, you know in the next few weeks I could send out times that are good and we could have a public meeting to talk about these things You know, I think the minimum maintenance bylaw would be You know, the commission would maybe request it of the council to include it in the general bylaws Is that or was it was it or was it something that we're actually going to try to make part of the local historic district bylaw? Is it there's a few ways it could happen? Well, there were two things. I think that um Don't think that we had it. We had um Discuss this. Oh my god. Why am I blanking on your predecessor with Brandon Brandon. He was going to do a little maybe Training, you know, give us like an overview. So we were all on the same page about what that was and then I so I would say that would be part of the conversation at the least I think we would like that to be in the local to local historic districts It would be ideal to have it for the town But I don't know what that entails. I don't think that's on the top of the agenda for the council No, sure. Okay. Yeah, I think I know he started some research and it's on the network drive Right, I think you might have even gone to a statewide Meeting about it and you can report back on that Okay, so yeah, let me look into that so we could schedule a meeting. Um, you know, if we wanted Even just to check in, you know, like the third week in may And you know, we could have a few agenda items It'll be a public meeting and if we end up needing a public hearing we could turn it we could have that too if that's If that's okay, okay Why don't think any of us are going anywhere. Yeah, my schedule looks pretty good Wide open. That's the next thing on my calendar No dinner dates, no nothing All right, I think he'll just raise her hand again. So I'm gonna hold on to let you speak. You're I think you're should be No, I didn't I forgot to turn it off. Oh, okay You gotta remember to turn it off All right, so I think I mean, would we tend to we say may, um Would you want to try to meet like may 18th as a public meeting on monday? May 18. Yeah, that sounds good. May 18. Is there a re is that good for everyone or? It's fine Time Oh, I mean just for work. We could do three. Where's the time? For us every time And at this point are we assuming that that would be the same format on the computers It would be and like I said, I'm not sure we're going to have any applications for then It would just be a public meeting. I could try to go over the, um Minimum maintenance by-law we could discuss, you know, um an application fee or a legal ad fee And if there's any anything else, you know, we can put on the agenda just let myself or jennifer know Okay And I think with the fee, you know, the town's gonna want Not gonna want to spend any money. It doesn't have to Yeah, I mean, I was thinking it'd be like 75 or 100 dollars. I mean, I think each each legal ad is a few hundred Yeah, um, you know anywhere from like 200 to 300 and that's usually for two projects So I don't know. I mean 75 dollars. We could you know, just think about that as a ballpark Okay I don't really have anything else. Um, there are some memberships expiring. So I think Uh, I mean I can email. I know bruce. I think and one other person on the commission and so You know, we can if people want to be reappointed. We um, just let me know I think everyone has another term they can sit on It's a two-term limit. Is that it is still yes. Yeah I hope it will continue good Jennifer actually have you been on it for two full terms? No I don't think so. What is it two years? It's uh, it depends, you know, um, it's interesting. It's two but I think Six years is the maximum So I think sometimes people are appointed for a year or two in a stagger term So if you've even been on it for two terms, but it hasn't been six years, then you could be allowed to I think I Came on the middle of I don't know somebody left right Yeah, so let's look into that because you look into it. I can't Remember exactly so if we lose two or three members and that makes a quorum difficult come june Nate I think that I came on the same time as Bruce colder Okay, so but I don't remember what if there were staggered terms or not Okay, yeah, let me look into that. I'll email everyone. I know I came on after Bruce and Jim. Okay, so It's one of those things, you know No one pays attention until it's too late and then I have no idea All right, I don't think I have anything else but those are can be some items for may Okay, so should I call for um Someone to call to adjourn. Sure. I think we're all set. Okay. Great. Thank you, Nate Thanks, everyone. Nice to see everybody Is there a motion to adjourn? I guess I have to formally do that Stay well Yes, stay well. Okay Okay, do I have to do a motion date? I like to have a motion to adjourn if someone's willing Did somebody move to adjourn? I do I move we adjourn second High second. All in favor Bye. Okay, everyone be well. Bye. Bye To see you all really good. Yeah, you too. Bye. Bye