 Ladies and gentlemen, Stella Mike, Avi Pro Powerlifter Lou. Hello. We're gonna talk about, in response to, reaction, commentate, stitch, duet, real hashtag remix of y'all's comments on the new bench rule. Check out the video if you didn't check it. The IPF made a new rule that basically has a bench depth talking about elbows to your shoulder. And some of y'all came real sassy. Real sassy at us. And we were just giving our opinions. And I think Blank is Damon, I don't wanna speak for Avi. We were just saying that if you look at the top lifters across the sport of powerlifting, not IPF specific, I don't think this rule change is one good in application for the judges itself. We can look and talk about and address things that has to do with excessive arching, sure. But this rule, I don't think fixes that. And then also I think that it punishes larger people with small arms that don't arch at all when we're trying to address the arch. So that's basically the points we were getting to in the last video. But y'all came real hard at us, like we're some arching motherfuckers. Neither of us are affecting because we don't compete in the IPF. And neither of us are affecting because our bench don't look like that. I arch, but I think I still pass the shoulder elbow thing. I think most people do, which is our freaking point. Isn't that we disagree with excessive arching or agree with arching? I think we're both pretty neutral on it. Some people are very anti-arching and some people are pro-arching. The other one, the majority comments, we're gonna dig into the actual comments in a second, was about, oh, well, are we trying to test strength or skill and technique? Which is just the dumbest statement I've ever heard because in every sport, every test ever, there is skill and technique. Are we gonna test who runs the fastest or are we gonna wear cleats and actually pump our arms? Cheaters. Let's run with no cleats and no arms. Like a fucking bang. I was on a penguin's run. Point is that there's a skill in everything we fucking do. Let's dive in the first one. Bruh, how sorry are these cheats that they have enjoyed the free ride so far? God forbid they bring some logical rules to make it more fair and make it more about strength and less about cheating techniques. That's okay. That's like the whole argument with sumo and conventional is what I think about. How it's like, well, some people are weaker when they pull sumo. So isn't that gonna say, are you gonna, can you make the argument that conventional is cheating? Right. Like that kind of thing. Right, if you're a bigger conventional poler. Yeah. Then you're cheating. And it's like, who are you gonna say? So John Hacks cheating. Yeah. He pulled 900 conventional. Yeah. And like, or low bar is cheating because John Hacks go a tie bar. John Hacks the cheater overall. Yeah, why are we? It's mostly John's fault. Yeah, it's all John's fault. He's great. John Hacks the 600 cheater. Yeah. He's got big arms, big deltoids. But it's like, is low bar cheating because it's easier and most people can squat more when they do low bar. Look, dude, I'm a college dropout. And so I don't always play by the books. But last time I checked, cheating by definition means you're going against the rules and sumo's allowed. So then. But that's what I'm saying. Like, should it not be allowed anymore? Because it's like. Because these pussies. Now it's about, yeah. Because these YouTube pussies. Yeah, but that's what they're saying, right? It's like, it's cheating. And now we're making it more fair by adding these rules. It's like, well, should we add a rule so that people can't sumo and low bar anymore? Well, maybe, because that's what Wamp has to say here. Yeah, I don't get that. Ho, ho, ho, ho, cope harder. Sumo should be banned next. First you should say no one will be affected. Then you say big guys with normal form will have a change their form. Just pure coping. What does that mean? I don't know. I don't know. Coping normally means that you do something to deal with an issue, right? Like, I can't find a wife, so I cope and adopt 20 dogs. That's coping, right? But this Wamp here, my British friend, doesn't have a clue what coping means. Because it doesn't affect us. We're just commentating on the rule of change. Yeah, we are not in the IPF, we don't compete in it. No, it affects fucking 10% of anyone who bench presses. It affects 1% of people on less than 1% of the world that bench presses is affected by this rule change. We were just bringing it up for discussion. And then we're saying, like, if you're trying to get rid of arching, this rule does not necessarily affect those who are arched. That's the frickin' point. Because there are people who could still arch and get past this rule. And then there's people that don't arch at all and will be affected by the rule. Negatively, affected, so it's like, without work. So you got small biceps and small forearms and big boobies, male, female, anybody boobies, any kind of boobies. And you're not gonna reach that thing. Cause now I'm touching at the top of my teetop. If I touch at the top of my teetop and I'm on some double D's, now I get red lighted because I'm well endowed. That's fucked. Well, we're negatively affecting the people who are not meant to be targeted, right? Or addressed, you know, so. They're a byproduct of this shit rule. Just not a great rule. Well, Julius Maddox lifts 795 pounds. No arch with an arch. You're not lifting if you're strong then the rules shouldn't affect you. How is it that you're not lifting if you're arching? What are you doing then? No, Julius Maddox lifts 795 pounds. No arch with an arch. You're not lift. This dude has no periods, no conflicts going anywhere. Just keep talking with no models. Julius Maddox is the current king of the bench. Yeah, he's very strong. And what the fuck does that have to do with this? Yeah. I saw this guy who was benching like crazy amount and his feet are just moving everywhere, right? He's like moving the entire time. And like this kind of goes against what we learn in powerlifting to like build tension, drive with your leg. You shouldn't have that much movement, right? Yeah. I'm like, how is this guy benching 7800 pounds for triple? And he's like doing all these things that we were taught not to do. Or like that we learned that weren't efficient, you know, and it's like, oh yeah, I'm not him. I can't bench. You're not him. You're not that guy, pal. It's like, I'm not blessed with that kind of strength so that my form can be like his and then I can still lift a heavy amount. People are trying to take like the individuality out of sport, but that's like saying like, oh, LeBron James doesn't go in the NBA because he's 6'8, 6'6 and under only. Like what's the point? The point is that we want to watch the best do the best they can, right? We don't watch the Olympics to watch some people who are slow. We want us to fast as motherfuckers on the planet race each other, right? Like what's the point here? Here's another one, Mr. Lubbers. I'm done with accents. Sorry guys, I'm not saying anything today. To counter the no pause in the squat argument, let's add a pause in the squat. Because there is a pause in the bench, judges literally have no more time to judge depth. Add a pause to the squat. I think that's so dumb because the difference is, yeah, there's some benefit from a rebound in the squat. Some people get it in and out of the hole really quick and lift more weight, but there's tons of world record holders, people at the top that control the squat both ways and just reverse out of the hole and don't really hit the hole that hard, both in wraps and knees. The difference is in the bench press, you get a large advantage from bouncing it off of your sternum. That's why there's been a pause some day one because they want you to control the bar rather than bounce it half the way and then just have your triceps lock it out. They're just totally two different movements with two different leverage points. I don't think people, and who knows because these are YouTube comments, right? Everyone's anonymous. They got little fucking anime avatars or SpongeBob avatars, so I don't know who the hell we're talking to, but I don't think people that compete in the sport at a high level or hang out with the real culture of the sport make comments like this. Like, again, Jamal pulling 1,100 pounds in the gym. Yeah, it's in the gym, yeah, it's grip, yeah, it's sumo. Who gives a shit? I think it was Furman, my dude. He's like lightweight, world's strongest man and he comes out saying basically, and in strongman it is illegal to do sumo, right? And the biggest pulls ever have been done by strongman. Eddie Hall and Thor, right? Over 1,100 pounds. And now Jamal's doing it, sumo. He comes out and says, who cares? Like, you're not gonna be impressed? Like, that's so strong. I don't care where his feet are. He's moving 1,100 pounds, you freaking idiots, you know? So it's kind of like, let's pay attention to what matters here. And I think what's more important in the sport of powerlifting is that we're pushing the limits and handling the most amount of weight possible. That's why it's powerlifting. If you want the pure skill, maybe Olympic weightlifting or something, right? Where there's more speed, more agility, more technique. There's still a technique over here, but we are moving the most amount of weight within reason. So let's like, let's soak that up and kind of play to our strengths. That's the strength of the sport. So why do we want people to lift less weight? Right. That's not fun. Let's make it tempo and deadlift, pause deadlift. Yeah, we're gonna have a timer and you're gonna have to, it's gonna be like musical chairs and you're gonna have to fucking bench press to the sound of the song three seconds down. Yeah, that's stupid. Strap the lifter to the bench like they do with the Paralympics. Judging is easy and there's not a lot of wiggle room. Yes, pun intended to cheat. Now, honestly, of all the comments, that's the least ridiculous to me. We really want to do that. As long as it's standardized, I don't care. But if you're gonna throw a person in a straight jacket, it's not gonna prevent a bench. It's not gonna help the range of motion. Someone else came at me today and said, why don't we measure the range of motion you have to move in a lift? And I'm like, one, how do you physically measure that? You're gonna have a tape measure or a laser set up like the sport's already more boring than it needs to be. Let's add more semantics to it. And then again, you're taking away the individuality of the sport. You want to see the best do it. So we're not gonna let you compete because you're kind of short and you're good at sumo. Like that's stupid. I want to see someone your size, small, work hard and lift a shit ton of weight. That's what makes this fun. Or if it's a certain amount, I mean, is it like once you get past a certain point, you don't have to log out all the way because you're already like, you know, completed the range of motion qualification. Yeah. Yeah, to my chest to hear six inches, that's all I gotta do. And like six inches, all that matters, I was told. What's so funny? Nothing. Bench press too, like if it's all about strength and like how strong you are in your chest then let's just have our feet off the ground. Yeah, let's just do dumbbells. Do a larson press. Oh yeah, and don't wear dumbbells. And hammer strength. Larson press or something. It's like, why do you need your legs? You technically don't, like you don't need your legs. It's cheating. There's no sport that like measures that. Cause like even as strong man, right? We're doing a bunch of different stones for time. Why don't we just move one stone? And why isn't the stone the size of the pyramids or so? And why is it, is it usually a ball, like sphere? Yeah. Yeah, why isn't it a cube? Yeah. Why can't we move a triangle ball? Yeah. Or a triangle stone. Or a triangular or triangle pyramid shape. Nothing. A cylinder. Yeah, or honestly if you want to measure like pure power and stuff, yeah, we do a med ball toss, which is like a toss for height and strong man stuff. Like the point is like these are sports, they're established for a reason. The squat bench and deadlift have been around for centuries for a reason. Cause they are the three lifts you can move them the most amount of weight with. So why don't we allow a little bit of technicality to do it? And yeah, I'm not saying to have no rules, but until I see every single local national and international powerlifting meet won by someone who arches at obnoxious level, I don't personally find it an issue. Like that guy's example, the best bencher in the entire planet right now in the history of humankind is Julius Maddox by pound. And he doesn't arch at all. So you're telling me arch is a problem? Right, yeah. So why is it a problem? Why is it a problem? I'm a problem. Where can I find you, dude? Instagram at obi.loop. And Twitch. And Twitch at obi.loop, A-V-I-L-I-E. New videos every Monday and Thursday. Appreciate you all. More stuff, comment, comment below what you think even though I don't really care if you have a dumb opinion. If you got a smart opinion on my care and I'll comment back, I'm gonna go lift right now and full day of eating on the way next week. I'm gonna film it tomorrow. And thank you guys so much. We'll catch you in the next one.