 All right. Well, I know we are still gathering here, but let's get started since it's 10 o'clock. There are a number of us on this call and so if you're just joining us. What a couple of housekeeping items. It is best practice for us to be able to stay on mute. We're at home on your home computer until you're invited to speak. We have several panelists who are with us and we will begin with hearing about some of the ways that churches here in North Texas are responding to the COVID-19 crisis and finding ways for us to be safely as much as it is possible in service with our neighbors here in North Texas. Another housekeeping item if you would like to ask a question, if you have something to contribute, ask that you use the chat function. And you can either send it to me individually or to the whole group about a resource you have found interesting. If you have a question for one of our contributors, that'll just help us manage the noise back and forth. And help it be a smooth call. This will be recorded. And once we are able to get it uploaded on to the additional outreach subpage on the North Texas conference website, you should be able to see it there. And we are going to also try to have a phone call at a later date, perhaps Wednesday or Thursday for those who weren't able to make it. So you'll be able to see this call. Perhaps some of the other contributors will be able to participate in a later call. And then we'll have a call for those that can't be there. All right, we'll welcome everyone. Let's pray. Oh, God, it is hard to take a breath this morning. There are so many things for us to do as pastors as leaders as family members as just ourselves. There are so many news stories coming out so many Facebook articles and shares and things for us to keep track of that it is often overwhelming. You and your spirit give us peace this morning and the ability to open our lungs and our mind and our soul to your breath. And so inspire and vivify our life that we might be able to be conduits of your grace in as much as we are able. It is time of turmoil of uncertainty and anxiety. You pray that you help us to be the church that resembles you. And you're serving and outpouring of yourself for others. In your name we pray Oh God, parent child and Holy Spirit. All right, so we have several goals for a call today, just coming from the Center for Mission Outreach perspective. There seem to be three things that we are able to do. It's a Center for Mission Outreach that that we're hoping to get out of the call from the center's perspective. And that one is to be able to connect those that need to be connected. And I think just by having us together this morning and sharing the things that are going on that we are able to facilitate to respond as local churches and individuals to the needs of our neighbors as they rise is one form of connection but we're looking for any others that need to happen as well. What encouragement, what does encouragement look like for missional responses to COVID-19, how are we as the conference and you know conference office but also as a collegial body, how are we able to encourage one another in these responses because we don't know exactly how long these circumstances are going to take place. And some studies show that this may take a while for us to get over the situation. And so we're going to have to be encouragers of one another, and of our people within our sphere, and what can be leveraged. Who is doing what that can be leveraged. What resources do we have that could be leveraged to make to multiply the goodness that we're able to do in our communities. So with that being said, I'd like to introduce to you. At least four panelists who agreed to be a part of our conversation today to just share what they are seeing what they have begun to do. In terms of response to neighbors and the needs of neighbors and how we can respond as a community of faith. So we have Reverend Holly bandel associate minister for mission and advocacy at first United Methodist here in Dallas. Reverend Mike Bachman, the community curator for Union Union coffee. Reverend Mitchell Boone lead pastor at White Rock United Methodist. And we're hopefully hoping that Lisa Stewart who's the associate executive director for care and engagement ministries at Highland Park, and or Caroline has lit. Who's the outreach coordinator there at Highland Park for health ministries might be able to be here as well. And I'm Caroline hazelett and I'm here. Thank you for joining us. So, for those of you who are here on the panel. Could you give us a thumbnail sketch of how the church in which you're serving is responding to this COVID-19 epidemic. And Holly would you lead us off. All right, testing my technology skills today. Good morning everyone. I'm good to see some of your faces. I don't know about you but it's kind of been a roller coaster for me as with many of you on on how these responses are going and with a shelter in place order here in Dallas. Coming up this evening I know that there is still even more change to come. And my kids and dog are in the background so I'm if I have to mute quickly, you'll know why but I do also. I want everyone to know I was out of town last week. And so many of the responses were initiated by Andy Stoker and our staff team at first Methodist and I'm glad to represent them. I think Andy is on the phone on the call as well and so would invite him to share his thoughts on this to I think we've there's been responses toward members, which is also a mission or response to really care for those who are most affected in our church. Family and kind of extended family of the church and then also missional outreach to our partners and mission in the community and so out of those conversations. There have been several responses that have come to the floor and we're just experiencing a lot of need for care for our own congregation and members and particularly those seniors who are are really sheltering in place in in a profound way. And I think it's both encouragement and resources then to our missional partners who are continuing and the need is great. For example, we served at Crossroads Community Services in Dallas over the weekend. And they said that just in the, you know, last few days of the week they serve 32 new families. And, and that's a lot in terms of people that are coming brand new the table meeting the basics of food. And so we know that for our partners like Wesley rank when Dallas Bethlehem Center, Crossroads, Austin Street shelter all of our homeless partners that serve our homeless neighbors that these needs are just increasing because of the restrictions and how people usually operate. So I'll stop there Andrews or anything else that you want me to address at this point. You know one follow up question is, you know, how are you going about listening for need areas that are rising. Well, there was some strategic contacts made again by Dr Stoker and other members of the staff to our partners last week because we knew the needs would be changing rapidly. And once we reached out we kind of got a flood of information everything from what if, you know, you know, kind of sewing and quilt groups could start making masks for first responders what if, you know, so my inbox is still full of after we began to reach out people responding what if we made what if you have a group that can make blankets for maybe people who are on the verge of homelessness are now homeless because they can't work an hourly job and so just and and then I would just say to because of our connectivity in the community we began to get a lot of responses around advocacy. And so for our city council to make strategic decisions around cutting off utilities and so they for Dallas and a group of party here in Dallas were advocating for extensions for those who may be on the brink of you losing utility access. And also advocacy at the state and federal level for funding. I think what we're going to see is that our are our ongoing struggle with equity in our communities is going to continue to widen as we have disruptions and the way people normally operate. And so I think that as we think about the ways we can serve people advocacy, even at the federal level is really important because that's where some of this funding is going to come from that's going to affect different populations in a variety of ways and what we know is anytime that there is a disruption in the way we work in the United States. And this would certainly be one of those times that we tend to see those who are already disproportionately disenfranchised and less resource become more so. And so in order to counteract that we need advocacy. I've gotten two or three flights even last night in this morning to call my representatives to advocate for doctor recipients to be able to get some of this federal money to for hourly workers for arts people who are now out of the job. So just different ways that we can advocate on the state and federal level as well. That's great. Thank you, Holly. Andrew, may I may I jump in. Holly did a great job of describing our work last week. Let me also describe what we're hearing from nonprofits, nursing homes and others and some ways that maybe pastors who are on the call can can reach out and help and support. When we were making our initial calls and this is probably what many of you have discovered is that nonprofits were having. They were going about business as usual and then they were trying to implement social distancing, love usage, etc. And then CDC on Wednesday came out with some protocols on how long items had to be quarantined before they could be distributed. So it was a complex confluence of challenges all at once. For example, this is something something that that could be very easily done in local churches is for our members or if your church is in a neighborhood with a nursing home or an adult retirement center. We set up care packages. We created 150 care packages with a roll of toilet paper in tissue paper right colorful tissue paper package of Kleenex, some peanut butter crackers, a bottle of water. Our kids wrote a note and then our day care our day school painted the bags while we delivered them to CC young last week and they're in quarantine for a week because of the paper materials potentially carrying the virus so just know that there are things that potentially we can we can do on going. Secondly, my spouse is a nurse at Children's Medical Center, and there was a Facebook message sent to her while she was at work over the weekend, and several members of our congregation started delivering to the front desk at the hospital started delivering snacks for nurses and doctors respiratory therapists. That's really low hanging fruit and something potentially you could do on your own pastors with your business card or some kind of note given to them. All second, all second what Holly said so excellently is that, though we might have these paper products and distribution of food, etc. Remember on the back end of this of this crisis, we're going to be looking at an economic challenge, potentially like we've never seen before, especially for those who are most vulnerable. Any way that you can stay connected with that advocacy I think I saw JD Allen post on the chat. There is a Texas impact.org link that you can find resources on obviously Holly's a great resource. I'd be glad to help as well but that advocacy piece is critical. This is compassion and action. Yes, we're going to do stuff, but hopefully will will be inspired to be differently after this as well. Andrew, thank you for organizing this call I so appreciate it. Thank you for being here. Mike Bachman are you on the line. All right, well thank you Mike what a, if you could give us a thumbnail sketch of what unions do and that be great. Well, I mean, we know we're in times of crisis FEMA recognizes two, two things that identify the, you know, an areas and state of crisis the first is if waffle houses closed. And, and the second is if anti Stoker's not wearing a tie. And so, it's clear to all of us that there's, there's work for us to do in the world. So, a couple of the things that we've got rolling union. And, you know, we have access to a younger demographic who's less likely to be in higher situations. And so, to help accommodate with that we've created a volunteer page and I can share what some of the stuff looks like if that's all right with the host. So, this is the sheet that we put together and it was a quick Google form where people can kind of fill in their information and identify the areas of interest where they can serve. And, and so then we've got a team of people who have access to the backside of this to see what the responses have been. And then they use this growing list of needs that we've identified city of Dallas to kind of match whatever it is that people should be interested in helping with, and then connecting in with that so that we're basically like a pass through middleman organization to connect volunteers to me. It's in the city, or it's starting to pick up more traction. It started out really slow is kind of disappointed. And so we've got about 50 or 60 people that we've connected directly into volunteer opportunities. And hopefully that list is growing as people get a little more stir crazy. They might be willing to go out a bit more, or as the shelter in place order comes in they might be less willing were, you know, just kind of kind of wait and see how that goes. But on the back end of this we basically just have a rotation of people who take a day at a time. So if I'm on duty today, I'll take any of the new ones that come in today and make sure to connect them into an organization. And then once a week we're sending out an email to everybody who's signed up to volunteer. So that's one of the things that we've been doing. Also, just as a point of awareness, especially for folks in the Dallas area. There is a makeshift homeless camp that set up in front of the downtown library, and sort of in the Plaza for City Hall with people who have been displaced because all the homeless shelters have cut their population and number of beds and half in order to keep people separated from each other. So then there's now this kind of big, there is this big overflow challenge that's there. So on an union went down yesterday and brought tacos for everybody. And we had enough for 100 and it was gone in 15 minutes. So there's a there's a definite need that's going on downtown and my hunch is in other places as a result. Oakland's continued to, they actually got a specific request from the city of Dallas not to shut down, despite the shelter in place because of the work that they do with unsheltered neighbors. So just kind of have an enhanced awareness about that. I think a helpful thing. The last thing that I would add that we're trying to figure out what to do it and maybe someone out there has a good idea on the way to utilize it. We shuttered our food truck operations in December because we just couldn't make it work financially. There are a whole bunch of reasons but in any case, the food trucks just kind of sitting out in Walnut Hills parking lot right now and so it would take us a couple days to get it up and operational. But if there are some sort of missional needs some sort of opportunity or way that a church could utilize that resource of a fully functional food truck it would take very little to get it running again. And if that church can provide some of the financial resources necessary. Let us know because we would love for it to be used and deployed at a time like this. We just haven't figured out or really found where it makes sense to utilize it. And there are some challenges that will need to be figured out without like supply chain right now is touch and go. But it is an option if folks have ideas on ways to utilize it. So the things that we've got cranking in terms of mission. Well that's great Mike. Are you in terms of folks that are becoming displaced has in this goes for any of the rest of you who are on who might be able to speak to this. Is there a worry about some of our, you know, most vulnerable neighbors I know there is an eviction pause. I'm not sure if that's at a state level, but especially those who may be undocumented may be most at risk for being pushed out of their homes kind of without the enforcement mechanisms in place. Hey Andrew, just clarification, the eviction, the stop to evictions is in fact now statewide. It did our our the Supreme Court issued that ruling late last week following after our own justice of the piece here in Dallas who had taken action and as Holly mentioned, very proud of faith forward Dallas and faith in Texas for jumping on that and encouraging leaders to do that by the way, let me just say, one of the things that we I believe should be advocating for is to extend that, not only for evictions but also utility connections, 90 days after whenever the shelter in place ends. If you're a hourly worker, low wage worker you're not going to have funds to catch up on the first day. So the justice would say that we really need to push our leaders to extend that past whenever the shelter in place ends. That can be a conversation for another time but I would love for us to all work together on that as things go forward. I hope you and JD will be able to keep us keep us abreast of what organizing efforts might be going on around that issue. I can identify another group that doesn't, depending on what circles you in, you're in you may have awareness of or not and that's folks in the performing arts. Right so freelance artists, actors, directors, folks like that, who's all of their income dried up in one week. One example is a friend of mine who was supposed to play a lead role in a show in Knoxville Tennessee so he quit his job. And two days before he was supposed to move out to Knoxville, they canceled the show. And now he has zero income and revenue and that's a story that I'm seeing repeated they get it again and again and again, folks in the theater world who, you know, immediately have all of their income dried up. So, you know, it's just another kind of underserved group and within that network people are talking with each other and trying to figure out ways to support each other but in any ways that we're able to encourage that. To play freelance musicians to do cool things in the midst of this makes a huge difference. And I'm happy to connect to a long list of actors. Along with that though I'd also say if you just want something that's good for your soul, join the Facebook group quarantine cabaret. It was started by a person who is an actor here in Dallas and now it's got like 15,000 people in it and you know artists can't stop creating. So they keep doing performances and just posting it on there, anything from like 94 year old women dancing like every morning she posts something to Marcus Womack and it's singing with his wife and posting it up there so check it out it's pretty great. I would not turn down one more helper for our group or keeping the group pretty small. Can we put your computer on mute there Norma. I'm one of the helpers and I'm not the strongest group. Thanks Mike. Thanks Mike and are there any other needs that you're seeing arise into your, you've got a lot of connections around the community as well that we might just not know about, like the actors and performers. Of course service industry is another group that's struggling right now, I mean Union we're struggling with that every day our sales dropped to a third of what they were overnight. And that's true across the board just about everybody I'm talking to in the restaurant industry is seeing or unless they have a heavy drive through business before this happened. And even the ones that have a heavy drive through business like McDonald's their sales have dropped a third ours have dropped and most other places have dropped two thirds. Anybody in the service industry is struggling and I was having a conversation with someone who's a church planner of the Minneapolis and he was talking about ways that they're hiring service industry folks to do things for local shelters and stuff like that and the way he talked about it as he said, it's like trying to figure out ways to have $1 really count as $4 because so many different people along the supply chain benefit from it. And so whatever can be done to hire local caterers to hire a restaurant to provide food for a particular need or, you know, coffee for whatever it is that you're trying to do. We're here and it's a it makes a big difference, especially if you can get beyond the big chains. Starbucks is going to be fine. McDonald's is going to be fine. But it's it's folks in other areas that are really struggling and laying off and closing and culture of our coffee close one of their locations laid off three quarters of their workers. And you know it's, we're seeing that all across the industry. So that's another group that desperately needs help there's an easy solution but good Lord any way that you can use them is great. And with that, let me transition transition over to Caroline are you still with us. She may have dropped off. I think the UMC Highland Park UMC is a believe using their catering service that's normally in house to add employees who have been laid off and provide meals for those who are really vulnerable I think through again and Dallas Bethlehem Center and some other, you know, partner nonprofits and so when she gets back on a look for more information from her. Mitchell Boone. Could you let us know just kind of what what all is going on with White Rock and You know why rock is is kind of tucked back into neighborhood. And so we've been really serious about how we connect our neighbors in White Rock has a unique kind of population or congregation essentially like we have a bunch of folks that are like well into retirement in their late 70s 80s early 90s. Then we have a bunch of younger folks who may be in a lower risk population and so initially we created something similar to what might create it and I'll show you all what that looks like. Once I can share my screen. So you're I don't know if I can do this. Let me see. I'll just send out our website and so that way you can prove that at your leisure. One of the things that's been helpful and that is we've been able to connect folks directly to other folks in our congregation. And then we are approached by our city council member to try to expand that effort. 75228 is one of the zip codes we're very active in. And 75228 has the highest number of senior citizens in Dallas in fact 75218 where White Rock is and 75228 where Owen Wood is makes up 40% of senior populations. The population of seniors in the city of Dallas. And so there's a great concern that a lot of our seniors in our area who are already not taking advantage of SNAP benefits government programs that help bring them food. Seniors who live in the midst of a food desert already the strain of this is going to really create a food crisis for our oldest and most vulnerable. And until a VNA figures out a way maybe to step into that gap, or the city decides to we've been approached by the city to help kind of shape some of that early response and so we are making this kind of connector, kind of public facing over the next few days. And it's all up in the air obviously with the shelter in place guidelines and things like that. But we do think it's important that we kind of interface with the city, because they're going to know what the needs are here on the ground and so that connector essentially the church is operating as a conduit so it's real simple. Someone says hey I'm willing to do X, Y and Z. And then we have someone who fills out says I need X, Y and Z done, and then we just put them in contact with each other. And so it's a way for us to try to build some relationship and rely on the network that we have in East Dallas. Another thing that we've been doing is we've been vetting a lot of our news for our folks, especially some of our older folks who may be kind of overwhelmed with the amount of information that is being sent to them by a variety of people in their lives. And so we've tried to tell our folks at who are part of our church, hey look like here's our own resource page. We're also doing that for families too. Like stuff that we just think is worth getting in front of people. And we're using folks in our congregation who are experts around this stuff to help us vet it. And then so we've created a whole resource page. All of that is available. Y'all can totally rip it and pass it out. We think that there's good stuff there. And then finally, one of the things we're also doing is we're trying to give, I'm trying to give a platform to actual experts, not the church really, we're not experts in public health, we're not experts in pandemics. We are, we probably all know experts though, either in our church or within the communities in which we serve. And so each day I'm sitting down for 20, 30 minutes with folks who know what they're talking about, and asking them how can the church step into the gap. We've got a wide variety of responses. Dan Mitski, our trustee for DISD, is asking folks to send gift cards straight to DISD headquarters so they can distribute them out to families in need. Paula Blackman, our council member, is really starting an effort to promote local businesses and I can send out that link as well. And so we're trying to play the moderator and the conduit and also recognize that our main focus is our folks that are part of our congregation who are going to be really affected by this and our immediate neighbors because that's where we have the relationships. And then I would say, you know, the final piece is then supporting nonprofits who have all the relationships. So right now, the best way I notice support city square is to send them cash. And so like with these nonprofits are going to just be deeply impacted and they're going to experience the same spike as we keep hearing about hospitals flatten the curve. It's also important to flatten the curve so we can continue to help our nonprofits meet the needs that that exist. And so I think that one of the things we should really consider doing is if we have any income whatsoever. I'm looking through all of our, you know, our restricted accounts right now. And we're making some important decisions about where that money goes. And we're going to actually start releasing some of those funds this week. To nonprofits that we think because we'll be okay, maybe I don't know, but we know that like if city squares food pantry closes, that's going to have huge impacts on the southern sector of Dallas and really citywide. And so we need to also make sure that we're funding as we're asking for money. I'm also asking my congregation to continue to give. And I'll be very specific about that over the next few weeks. We can't just like stop that flow of cash into the church. I think we've got to find creative ways to push it back out because some of these nonprofits are not only doing great public health work, but they're also just standing in the gaps, and they have been for a really long time. So I hope we continue to find ways to support nonprofits with our money. Andrew, this is Ellen, do you mind if I just jump in and share something or please. So I was on the phone with TMF this morning, checking on what they might do to help turn in this goes right to your point Mitchell. They should be coming out this afternoon they are offering either the option for churches to go six months to do interest only, or to do a three month deferral completely for your mortgage payments. So we're having a meeting with our single board tonight to leverage one of those I don't know which one will do, but for those of us who have our debt carried by TMF. This is an option that they're given that'll help Mitchell with what you're talking about freeing up some funds to do what we need to do. Just want to share that. Thank you for that everyone. Yeah, we're going to have to get creative with our response here. Caroline I believe is back on the line Caroline would you share kind of a thumbnail sketch of how in parks response and especially with what you're doing with with providing food using your catering service. Sorry I got dropped earlier. And so we're kind of doing, we're doing a lot of things similar to other people in the sense that we're certainly reaching out to administering to our own vulnerable population. What's been going on there is the pastoral care department and our development ministries have gotten together and we've. We created a sign up that people can go on to our website and sign up if they want to help, and they can say ways that they want to help those volunteers that are coming in we are background checking them before we're putting them in touch with anybody who is a vulnerable population whether within or outside our congregation so that's happening first. And there's been a phone and a phone system set up where we've contacted all of our more vulnerable members so we started with the 80 plus group and then kind of going down and all that to kind of part part of this is pastoral and part of it is needs assessment so the callers have been trained to to give a pastoral and reassuring presence with a script that was helped that was written by the pastoral care ministries. And so we do want to we want to be sure that we're keeping in contact with that group of people. Then we have other than we then we're working at on reaching out to our entire congregation and there's actually a phone tree going on we're literally yes we have 16,000 members. Reaching out by phone trying to make sure people know that the church is there for them, letting them know that we can help and letting them know that we have opportunities for them to help if they're not in one of the vulnerable groups. Like most of you reaching out and working with our partners that we've already worked with and a few new ones and like most of you did we reached out to them as quickly as we could and have an ongoing spreadsheet of what their needs are. So there's a collection point of items. We're making some emergency grants as needed. We two are doing some fundraising specifically for this purpose. And then the program that Andy is referring to for meals. We have a commercial kitchen in our church. And there's Preston Hollow catering basically that that leaves our kitchen, you know, we use them for our in-house catering and daycare and stuff but they also are just their own business and Paul Rasmus and our senior pastor came up with this fabulous idea last week when Preston Hollow is going to have to simply lay off everyone. And he said, what if we use this to help meet some needs in the community. So basically a number of organizations that we work with in the community, Austin Street Center, the bridge downtown, some of the lower income housing places Dickinson Place, Tyler Street, Genesis, places like that that are really needing assistance with food. The kitchen is ramping up and doing right now. I think it's about 1200 box lunches a day and they have the ability to crank that up if we need them to we're just we're kind of following along as we need to. We had a lot of members sign up that we're willing to do to drive for people whether to pick up groceries or pharmacy meeting those basic needs but also can help deliver these meals to the organizations that are in need. So it's been a really, a really cool thing to watch how quickly it popped up and the number of people that are being served as well as the fact that Preston Hollow has been able to hire some people that have lost jobs in the service sector. So, so that's been really, really huge and it's ongoing. Lisa Stewart is also on this call Lisa jump in if you can think of things and another thing we were approached by the Red Cross because there's a an emergency situation with blood right now most of their blood drives have been canceled because many of them were being held at schools that are closed churches that are closed that kind of thing and so we're working with them to get a blood drive going it'll probably happen for a couple of days next week. And the Red Cross has some really amazing protocols that they've gotten into place really quickly to make sure that we're honoring, you know, but the order and social distancing and and safety. So I think that's that's a positive thing for so be open to the entire community. Lisa, can you think of anything else I need to be saying. Yeah, Carol, I think you you've got it. The only other thing I can think of is that we're trying to connect our youth are going to be working with a group called United to learn that supports DST schools and they're going to be doing some educational videos for our for the DST to use with their students and that's something that anybody can do. So if anybody would like information about that you can just shoot me an email and I'll connect you to United to learn make the videos like they'll be teenagers teaching elementary school kids how to play soccer or you know something like that. And the other thing we're doing is having phone pals with some of our friends at Dickinson place and other places so that's the only thing I can think of Carolina we're doing that you didn't mention. We're trying to as we work with our community partners. And much like what many of you have been saying, we're really looking at how can we step into that area of people that are clearly already, you know, working with a lot of our, our homeless neighbors, but also those people that are right on the edge that this crisis is going to throw them from being on the edge into poverty and seeing what can we do to try to to try to minimize that effect. And, and how can we help to advocate, you know, for for policies, both within the church and, and within the government that are that will help these people yesterday serving meals down at City Square to the homeless population it was so obvious that, you know, how many people in that community are not really aware of what's going on fully. I wanted to just walk up to everyone and say please spread apart. But, but those are the people that are going to be left out by whatever these stimulus packages are that are coming out that are really designed for people in the normal workforce so many, whether they're homeless or even just hourly employees the people that my husband was talking about that are going to be left out of those things I think that's where the church needs to come in and step in. And then just yesterday as people are going through the line you know they got squirted with hand sanitizer before they really gave them hygiene packets on the way out that had hand sanitizer and and wipes and things trying to educate as much as we can just in that little I think just trying to keep our minds, ears and eyes open to the ways that we can intervene with that particularly vulnerable population. I think that's all I've got. Thank you all so much that was incredibly informative. I believe Mike wanted to float an idea. Yeah, so in Carolyn mentioning Genesis women's shelter reminded me of everything that I wanted to just kind of put out there and check in with clergy about and I haven't had a conversation with her yet but I was going to reach out to page flank who's the executive director for family place. And you know the domestic violence shelters are very close to being beyond capacity. Because and with shelter in place and anticipated that it's going to get worse. And because when people are enclosed quarters and so forth you have much more instances of domestic violence taking place and they're understaffed right now. One of the things I'm kind of curious about is if we can. I don't know where they would be on this but I wanted to see if clergy would be open to this, you know confidentiality is important, knowing that it's a safe place is important things like that. I don't mean that kind of wonders if clergy across say the, the Metroplex area. We're to offer to take in one family or one victim slash survivor. If there's the option that, you know, because we do have a sense of confidentiality because there are these other elements in place. If they end up being at a point of being extremely stressed as a shelter if that's an option on a temporary basis, and I don't know what their response will be or not, but I wonder if we personally as pastors can provide a certain measure of sanctuary. And so the folks have thoughts or if they want to chat about that should be a message. Michael it's Kathy Sweeney from Arapaho at Agape Resource and Assistance Center in Collin County. We're being cautious as to what we bring in but we serve women and children. We have a couple of units that we're trying to fill right now so if there are non male led families. They can give us a call and we can do an online application kind of and see if it's something that we can bring in right now our staff is really we want to make sure that we can serve them but it's possible that we can bring them in so if they want to do that, they can call us at, you know, it's silly I use my phone number my cell number, they can call us at 469-814-0453. Thanks Kathy, I'll pass it along. May I ask just a logistical question that maybe somebody knows in this shelter in place time does anybody know what the rules are going to be on hospital visitation for clergy. I haven't heard anything specifically about that I just wondered if any of you all know. I've heard no no hospital visitation. They may make an allowance if it's time of death but I've heard, I've heard no and I don't know if that's still the case. We've had we had an incredibly difficult time getting into the hospital for one of our women who was in the hospital over the weekend and we had to pretty much beg and plead and sign all kinds of papers just to see one person, and that was it. That was in plain. County right now it's one each patient has one person that they can have with them, and that includes family so there are no pastors allowed in at all hospice situations what we understand is that if they are at the end of life, and their reference is actively dying that they will allow family to go in but our families are not even allowed to be with hospice patients, their family members who are in residential type hospice settings. I think if Andrew if you guys find official information about that coming out from our government sources that would be a very helpful thing you all could share conference why because I bet there's going to be a lot of confusing different information coming out. Right and I imagine also you know different medical facilities will have their own on rules and this will just be difficult to navigate but we'll we'll try to let people know about that. Alright, I believe Holly bandel wanted to also chime in about schools. Yeah, I want to just follow up with so many of our congregations have school partnerships and, and even though school is an in session. I'm, I'm imagining there are some needs there, even if their needs of encouragement, and I know that just looking at my, my social media feeds and things like that that people are offering to help in many different terms of teachers helping students and retired teachers helping, you know, an offering help I think there could be a way that the church churches could be conduits in terms of matching the needs of students at home with retired teachers and people who are sheltering in place and things like that. So, I've also, I would just encourage you if you have a school partner to reach out to your principal to send a note of encouragement and to elicit what needs might be there. I know in Dallas ISD there are doing kind of carpool lines for free free breakfast and lunch since every Dallas ISD student is doing that. I've gotten requests because I'm a volunteer at Dallas ISD to come and be one of the people that carries the food from the school to the trunk of the car limiting contact. They're not allowing, you know, that's just going to be a drive through line and those start today and so I'm going to try that out in the next week to see how that works but it just occurs me that every school district is going to have to meet some of those needs and that there might be some low contact ways that we can add encouragement. We're also reaching out about we have kind of teachers that we kind of adopt over the course of a year and how can we make those connections. Teachers are going to, administrators are going to be working. And so it seems to me that some of those things and encouragement and figuring out and taking the lead of our principals at our partner schools might be a really good way for the church to respond in those settings. So hope that if you have a church partnership you will you will do that. Thank you Holly our two of our colleagues have been talking about internet access and technology and I think this is geared toward students who may be without technology or internet access at their homes. And so, Charles Chuck Church has talked about opening access to the Wi Fi to students and others who are staying in the parking lot. And so our socially distanced but can use the internet access and they've had requests for that. So if we have technology sitting around that's not being used, there may be some ways, moving ahead for us to deploy that to areas that that could be really useful. A lot of great ideas here. So, I want to just take some time for questions. Freddie, if you have questions or comments please use that in the chat bar. Freddie, would you like to share your idea about hotels? Yes, I'd be happy to. I'm somewhat familiar with the hotels is my sister in law works one of the major hotels, and she's saying they are just basically dead without the traveling that's taking place. They basically don't have really anybody in the hotels and they, like everybody understands the hospitality industry is hard yet. And, you know, they went all the way down to like two young ladies that are doing the rooms now, because they have nobody there. So since we're hearing that there is a lot of domestic violence increased people being at home and in these tight situations now, and running out of space, that maybe those agencies are people that we might know who is in that feel that we recommend that they check with some of the hotels and see if they would be interested in hosting some of these domestic violence situations to help out in that endeavor. Great. Thank you, Freddie. That's a good idea. And if you don't mind, if there are those of you who are kind of circling around this similar idea, I'd love to kind of get you together to have follow up conversations about some of these areas like domestic violence and and how to help, especially Kathy since you're you're in the think of it there with your daily work. Okay, so we have Chuck churches also mentioning that we have PCs for people calm has some cheap options for computers and internet access and that's a good referral what other questions do you all have. Hey Andrew, I would love. We're in the good neighbor experiment at first church and I have a small group that we've been talking over the last, oh I don't know four or five months about what it means to really be a neighbor to our actual neighbors. And so, and they this curriculum kind of provides of the neighboring movement kind of provides curriculum around how do you begin to neighbor your actual neighbors as a disciple and seems to me that this this idea could really be helpful. And since we are kind of more at home, at least I am more at home, and maybe more in tune with what's actually going on in our neighborhoods and so I am just looking for ideas that maybe people are doing with their actual neighbors, even in with the social distancing. So, in the curriculum it talks about dropping notes of encouragement to people or preparing a tree to give to your neighbors, you know, things like that that would not necessarily require, you know, face to face, you know, contact. I think also to kind of figure out how to, you know, if we have some numbers of neighbors or we see them across the street, is there are there ways that we can be really good neighbors and so some of you probably have real active neighborhoods some of our experience has been that some neighborhoods aren't real active with one another, but this might be an opportunity to grow that in a way that is still safe and compliant with what's needed for the greater good so love some ideas about that if people have them. This is Mark Korazow. We've done the neighboring program to one resource is the is called 52 weeks of neighboring you may be part of that already. And they have been the associate group has been sending out weekly ideas if y'all would like to be a part of that you don't have to be part of the neighboring curriculum in order to do that. I'll go ahead and post the website so you can sign up for those and you can get weekly things they have been tailoring those now to the current climate that we're in and so you can get ideas and share those with your congregation about how to do that. We were a huge thing that sidewalk chalk and we're going to be putting bags together and live bring it to all of our neighborhood kids and just like spread love not germs. And we've also found that getting zoom calls with our kids has really increased kind of that neighborhood community where you set hosting a lot of kids so a couple times a week we'll get together and that all the kids get on FaceTime and and talk. That would have been helpful for community building. Monica, could you could you share about what you're doing. Sure. So, um, actually this came up after a member of our youth committed suicide in December we created five variations of lawn signs that say things like, you know, you are enough. Just do the next right thing. You can do hard things things like that. And have our church logo on them and we have a place on our website people can order whichever variation they want and they're double sided. And we found a lot more folks wanting those now especially as more and more people are out walking. But we've kind of spread those through, you know, we have folks from H Highland Park University Park Lake Highlands Richardson kind of all over so not necessarily our direct neighborhood but they've been filtering through our members to different neighborhoods around kind of north and east Alice. Thank you Monica that's that's really good and Michelle you're mentioning something that may be really helpful for when we're sharing meals with our delivering meals. So we have seven students at Paris Junior College who are still living in the dorms for various reasons. I'm sorry my cat is a mess. Um, but they have suggestions about contact free delivery where you will place the meal. If it's a warm meal putting it into like an ice chest or something and leaving it on the front doorstep and ringing the doorbell and leaving or texting them and calling them. And so by leaving something and then not having that exchange especially if you have like individual deliveries at homes without having that contact. That's great thanks and Nick. Nick McCree. Oh, are you there Nick. You're muted Nick. Can you hear me now. Yes. Okay. Yeah well I was just I just put in the comments that my mother-in-law she's she's Roman Catholic she lives in New Orleans who's only about a Catholic priest somewhere near New Orleans there who had been sitting out sort of on that little concrete pad like sort of drive way out by a sidewalk in a chair and sort of drew this big chalk square around this chair you know like six feet away and put it in some another chair to outside of it and he put up a sign that was like you know need to talk have questions want to give confession right so and apparently he's been getting a lot of you know a lot of folks who actually do want to come and be as face to face as they can with with a spiritual leader and and and talk and and yeah so anyway that was just a kind of an inspiring idea I don't know how practical it is given our locations or you know stuff but that said I don't know that was a kind of an inspiration to me. Thanks Nick. And Kathy I want to get back Kathy Swinney I want to get back to a question you had to do the new ordinance or declarations apply to all landlords in pausing eviction, or is it just those that are publicly funded. Eric, might you know that. Excuse me it's all evictions, all any rental situation not simply public funded. And there are also, there's also been some movement on stopping utility cutoffs water electricity gas, that kind of thing as well. It's a little more complicated because that's not directly controlled by evictions or county led so wherever you are in whatever county you're in, check with your county commissioners about making sure they understand that that's the law right now no evictions during this crisis. And is that a state thing or a county by county thing. It was a, it was a county thing initially our JPs and county commissioners here in Dallas County did it some other counties did it. The state Supreme Court has now issued a ruling, making this an effective statewide decision. But as I pointed out a little earlier, it only extends to the end of the crisis date. And I think those of us who are clergy really need to continue advocating to extend that further, because especially low wage hourly workers that very people we've been talking about service workers, musicians, actors all those folks, they're really on the first day to catch up and need several months more afterwards to catch up. And so I think we don't have to do that today because this crisis is going to go on for a while but at some point in the next month or so, we're going to have to go back and press people I think to extend that farther than just the final date of the crisis. Thank you, Eric. Please, please keep keep us informed about that. So we have one question from Laura about the implications of having meals delivered prepared in someone else's kitchen and delivered to another home. Does anyone know the implications of that or rules that would be good. I guess we got for that was that if people want to do it, they should do it on their own that is a church, we should because of health department rules that we can't that we can't do that that people can certainly do it on their own. Stop that at this point and just encourage people to order from restaurants or other things to deliver foods, but we have stopped any services. Any of our meals that we normally do the meal trains that we normally do. And so I just wanted to know if anybody was doing anything else because people can think that they are okay, and then deliver something and realize that they're not And with 12 step groups we have some some questions and some ideas that are being passed around about how to how to assist our 12 step groups who normally meet in person. Often circle together. How are people finding their way to support those groups. One thing we've done is to set up our zoom and give access to our 12 step leaders so they can meet their groups via zoom. And that's one option we might do they can do that on their own obviously but we'd like to provide that to them so they can continue to meet at their regular times online. We actually haven't told them they can't come item. This is a real moral quandary for me because I don't feel like I can tell 12 step group not to meet. They've got access to our building they can get in whenever they want. We've left that up to our leaders at this point because I feel like that can be a life or death decision for people. But we're also going to allow them this online option as well. I'm not going to tell them they can't meet. I don't know. I'd be interested to hear what other people think about that. Any other 12 step ideas offerings. Oh great we've got a number of resources. They're posted in our chat function and we will try to get those posted via our website. You had a question for the question about schools. Can you say more about that. Yeah I just really have an idea and having lots of teachers in my life. So what what some teachers are doing that churches may want to do even if they don't have a partner like. Like at first first church Dallas some teachers for elementary children pretty young elementary they are doing a zoom with their class. And the thing that they need help from the church is to have someone that can do reading. And so some parents not parents some persons from the church are agreeing to read like Tuesday at 10 o'clock and they'll be there every Tuesday at 10 o'clock to read a story that would be appropriate for that grade level. And so if we as the church could line up volunteers for parents or teachers in our church that need help knowing how to do this online with their kids any time that we can donate to a teacher or a parent or family to help with tutoring or reading reading is the easiest thing then that seems to be really receptive. I'm going to be volunteering to do tutoring in mathematics. I know people stay away from that they don't want to do that, but parents don't want to do it either then and don't really know how. So I'm going to make myself available to do some tutoring. And we will do it either online or you know over the phone will just have to modify what is needed by that particular parent and that child. So if the teacher lets me know that these parents are struggling with a particular thing we can do a zoom and we're all learning how to solve linear equations together. I'm open to that or they want to just do two digit edition and that involves you know regrouping whatever is simple, but I am going to make myself available to do with one to tutor with one child just to take the stress away about mathematics being so hard. I can't do it or arithmetic is so hard but I would encourage the teachers I mean the churches to get volunteers that are willing to give 30 minutes or an hour one day a week but it needs to be the same. We eat to a group of kids. I mean that's what we were doing when we were working with schools but now that we're home and we have access to zoom. That would be something that would be easy for us to do and it'll give people at home they don't really have anything to do the opportunity to be a blessing to a child and I would say to their parents. I'm going to lift that up and people that want to know more about that can email me through the conference or call and my cell is 213-880-7009. And I would love to have more conversation about that. And let's keep in touch about things that we're finding to kind of make that idea more broadly available as a kind of backup for our teachers around the around the area. Yeah, absolutely. Other questions. Does the conference have any limitations on days schools at our churches can meet other than what the state. Local government have implemented. I am not aware of that. I would love to know what everybody's doing with their schools because this is a big conversation I'm having with some of us pastor friends about what the heck we're going to do with our schools. I've only heard of one school that's remaining open at Cathedral of Hope, but maybe I'm misinformed. Are there others that are still open or what are people doing. So I asked the question because my day school, the grace I was enclosed that an extended spring break which includes this week and now they're sending a new after that. But I think that's just to comply with the April 3 shelter in place order which, well if I'm not mistaken, that's the only, that's the time limit that judge Jenkins had that'll probably be extended. So, the director of the grace day school over to preschool wanted to know if the conference had anything to say about when we could they could start meeting again. It's it's almost I don't know if it's a mood point but they just right now with all these new orders coming out. You know, she just wanted more information, but it looks like it's going to be a while before or preschool gets to meet again. So yeah, that was just one thing that I'm, this people have been asking on my end, but obviously they're for a while. Jonathan, there is an exception on the on the daycare provision for daycares that are offering services for healthcare providers. That may apply to you because you're right down the street from from Baylor but I would recommend that Gretchen, you know, obviously contact the city about that to be sure you're in compliance, but you may fit into that. Okay, thanks. No, Austin instituted that when they do open they're going to take it by temperature on the playgrounds and I was walking the building is some safety steps like that. That's good to know. Thank you. I was going to add to that Jonathan. So we our school went from 74 enrolled to only 13 enrolled at this time and the whole and we are in Dallas County and the the criteria that our preschool director sought out was that the kids that are being brought to our preschool program are only essential our kids of essential workers right now. And that was actually before the announcement from Dallas County. And so, you know, our preschool is only open for those kids right now. And that's, that was like a major discussion we had about that. Yeah, we're kind of doing the same thing. We have a smaller group of children there for people who are essential workers and a smaller number of teachers there to be with them. And, but we are still functioning with that small group. I think it might be 20. Yeah, Columbus Park and Irving's looking at a similar thing. We have 7am to 6pm with our preschool that offers, particularly for working families in our area. And so we're trying to explore right now between the city and the county. What is essential? What are our guidelines or we can follow if we're keeping everything sanitized staying within the daycare requirements of taking temperatures and getting everyone's documents signed. We also have a number of families who have relatives in other areas and traveled over spring break out of the country. And so we've got to even figure out what families are self quarantining and all that kind of stuff. But we're trying to figure out some ways to provide the working family, childcare, particularly for healthcare providers or other essential workers that have to be at work, and we could be one of those emergency daycare facilities. A couple of follow up questions. And Scott Gillan mentions that, you know, temperature tests are only partially effective because you can be asymptomatic and still be contagious. It's a good, good note. Jacob asked, do eviction, does the eviction prohibition apply only to renters and what about the homeowners? I don't know the specific answer to that. I can ask around. I know I happen to have access to somebody who will know. So I will, I can pass that along to you. Thanks. Other questions. Some of your UMW members may. He says that she thinks that where public funds come from on a HUD basis is where some of the federal orders may. Yeah, I think I didn't just jump in, but I think I don't quote me on this whoever was asking that question but I think that the mortgages are the ones that are more restrictive, as opposed to renters. And so the mortgages are looking all the way up to HUD and how it's financed. And I know I need to do more work on that, but I'm pretty sure that that's it, that there are different, like foreclosures and things like that are coming from the national level as well. Right. And at a local level, or state level as well. Remember that the county sheriff typically would be in charge of the eviction process in terms of showing up and evicting people, and they are not going to do that right now. That's correct. Okay, so some of your UMW groups will have received an email for me, just as a quick note from kind of some things I am seeing some good surgeon friend of mine here at Baylor grapevine has kind of put out the call for masks. People have hoarded the N95 masks to cough them up and receive some amnesty to donate them to hospitals as a way to help, but also has some friends making masks out of cloth and some filter fabric if it's available. As a backup the CDC has issued their guidelines to for personal protective equipment and that is kind of the last line of defense but unfortunately because our response has been so slow to provide protective equipment to our medical workers, especially those in the front lines. That may be what they have to resort to when the supply is is gone. So Methodist Health Systems here in Dallas will be accepting them. If you want more information on how to get those masks to them, let me know. And Baylor grapevine have some contacts there. I've encouraged your local UMW volunteers to reach out to their local health systems, some of which are actively taking them, some are not. But those will be helpful at the very least for patients who are not there for COVID symptoms and need to be protected to some extent. Dr. Buzan, would you share what you just shared? Well, just remember that I was here in the news and given this update and so I just copy and pasted what I found. Alright, FHA loans or what? Yeah, it's good yes for the FHA loans. The question was asked about what particular so that's what I know. Okay, great. Nick is saying that some friends are 3D printing masks and some protective gear. That's a really innovative approach. Nick, if you were to keep in touch with me about how that's going, if that's an idea that we could toss out there more. Right, Eric. Eric, you're right. Carrie Smith had gotten in touch with me. Baylor Dallas is not accepting fabric masks at this time. But there are probably some staff that if you contacted them individually would probably take them. There's been a lot of criticism of hospital administrators for not being very forthcoming about how they're protecting folks. Tom Hutzpeth, would you brief us about the African University situation? Yes, the African University has closed their campus effective tomorrow. About 60% of their students are the modeling students. They're having difficulties making arrangements home. There are students who are trying to get their place back home. Based in quarantine in some of their countries, such as the example in Ghana, I have a deaf student who's going to be quarantined for two weeks and just some difficulty. My understanding from other forces and from the agency that does a lot of bookings for United Methodist Board travel, the BABA is the only international airport in Africa that's still handling transits for international travel. So I'll take the question, but that's what I'm seeing right now. Tom, I hope you'll let us know if there are any things that we can do around that area. I know a lot of our ministry partners around the globe are perhaps in areas that may be, that are not set up in the way that we are to respond to this crisis, even if we are slow to respond. And that's a real concern. Okay. Thank you. Dale Tampke, would you mention about the N95 masks? Sure. N95 masks, we had done some work projects and we bought boxes of N95 masks and they're often used for drywall work. And I was able, I'm on the board of a health clinic here in Denton where I live and they took the masks because they're the same masks that are used clinically. So if you've got them in your work project supplies or in your work, you know, your work trailers or anything like that, it'd be probably worth it to round them up and see if you've got a local health clinic that could use them. So that's just my suggestion. We're going to do a little drive with our folks and see who's got those. We've got a bunch of guys that like to do some, their own, you know, DIY work and you can't get them at home deep. I mean, we tried to buy them and they're really in short supply. So anyway, just an idea for folks. Right. That would be a really great way to get people involved if they can find any of those masks, even if they were ones that hoarded them and get those to where they need to be. Eric, would you share about Wes? Yeah, just to follow up on what Tom said, I've been talking with Wes McGridder, who I know we all know and the general board has apparently invited all the foreign missionaries to consider coming home. But I don't know if you all have heard that and has offered to get them flights and then they send a message back to Wes and said, Oh, too bad, we can't find a way to get you home. So he was considering coming back and now can't. So just, I know a lot of y'all know Wes, you might want to check in with him. It's a kind of a stressful, it's stressful for everybody, but he's feeling particularly cut off right now. Thank you. Any other questions? So I'm thinking one more one more clarification. I have been told by reputable legal authority, all evictions, rentals and and ownerships are currently covered by the Supreme Court's order. I'm pretty confident that's good information. Thank you, Eric. So what, what other connections need to happen around these conversations. What I'm seeing in these in hearing in these conversations is that there are a number of kind of informational points that we can be helpful in pushing out to you as being a reference point for those of you who might need resources to push out. But then also there are some they're working around specific areas like advocacy like domestic violence situations like food and hunger and volunteer recruitment that some of these conversations might need to keep going and be stoked as kind of a working group informally. Is that sound right? Are there other ideas or connections that y'all are seeing that we need to be doing other encouragement and support that we can provide as the center for missional outreach for y'all's work. You know, I think it's probably just conference office in general I think anytime that there's extension of deadlines of incursions from the bishop anytime there's state updates any encouragement from the conference office is helpful. I know for all of our congregations anything that comes from the weight of the office of the bishop is going to help for folks. I think it's beginning to get spread in the culture enough that there are fewer and fewer people who are saying oh this isn't a big deal. Why are we doing this but you know I'm only eight and a half months into a new appointment. It always is helpful in a crazy adjustment of things to say hey the bishop's asking us to do this the conference is asking us to do this. Those are helpful encouragements anytime we can have that kind of communication which I know y'all are working a ton on but just adding that voice to it. Hey Andrew and I might jump in and say my brother is a local pastor in the Memphis conference and the one thought that for him he has a member who passed away and so he had to have a real awkward conversation about not having a funeral at the church. And so, maybe that hasn't happened here yet, but to think about that to pray for those conversations that are having to happen. They haven't figured out what the resolution to that's going to be yet, but I would imagine we are going to have something like that happen here soon. So just to keep those who are going to be in those kind of awkward situations in our prayers. I can speak to that just to give a sense of what's coming. I was at Oak Lawn United Methodist Church had a funeral this past week. Just a couple days ago I think Saturday maybe Friday for someone who's killed by in a hit and run situation so then nothing to do with COVID-19 but the funeral had to be done at the funeral home. They had a limitation of fewer than 10 people there. And so one of the things Oak Lawn did that I thought was really beautiful is congregation members who wanted to attend but can be there in person and sent headshots to someone at the church who then printed all of them out and then had all of those headshots sitting in chairs in the in the room where the funeral was happening so the family had a sense of you know all the other people who wanted to be there and who are watching via live stream. So just I think a creative and beautiful way for them to have the congregation present in the midst of it. I'm hearing from folks I've got a couple folks in my congregation to work at UT Southwestern as assistant professor, some others who are involved in Baylor Medical and folks like that. Lots of funerals are coming friends, lots of them. Yeah, I think that's going to be helpful for those of us who can post ideas like that for us to be able to help one another grieve and navigate these really tough situations. That's going to be a huge area of ministry that is going to weigh on our churches, but also those of us who are frontline pastors who are going to lose people that we love and know in our congregations. Andrew, I would like to highlight that on Wednesday, the CCD will be having a webinar zoom call to get ready for how we do worship. You know, a lot of pastors are doing it for the first time. A lot of pastors did a different thing the second Sunday so we're going to have that and it'll be set up kind of like this where people can, after we're hearing three speakers, get your feedback. And so this is a service that the conference is offering, you know how to really do online worship and how to plan it, whether you don't want to be on the camera. You can record it before and then drop it the day of worship. All of those kinds of things will be covered. So, I know Deborah Mason sent that out to the Metro District pastors. We want everyone to know about that. I'm going to put it on my Facebook page. It's on our conference page. It's on Owens Facebook page. And so we would like to invite you to come to that tomorrow starting at one o'clock. Please bring your laity because they're the ones to help lead that. And if you are a pastor that you're the only one there, it would be great to have a lay leader or someone with you on this zoom call. So, Wednesday, one o'clock, how to do worship online. I lift that up at score a support from our center. Thank you, Estina. And I imagine there will be a lot of opportunities coming up that will be accessible via zoom. And there's some great other feedback about funerals. You know, Mike is saying that most funeral homes will probably be allowed to host funerals, but it'll be limited to 10, you know, at least for now in Italy, they're even stricter limitations and the sad reality is that many funeral homes and local areas are packed and not able to accept the numbers that are needed. So we'll try to do some research on that and find practices. If you have any other ideas, please let us know for that. And now it is 1130 so I want to be good stewards of our time. There's some conversation about us having a call perhaps next week to kind of check back in and as things are developing for us to come back together and record that as well. I want to thank you for your time. I want to thank you for your ministry. And this is an unusual situation and difficult days are ahead. But I know that God is with us night and morning and neighbor never fails to greet us each new day, as Dietrich Bonhoeffer said. So God bless you and if you have any other questions ideas, let me know. And I will try to respond to some of the areas of networking that have been mentioned today and get that out. This will be recorded and posted to our website hopefully soon. Thank you all and we'll talk to you soon. Thank you. Bye everybody.