 All right. Hey friends, this is Dan and Jordan Burke along with Father Altier. We're gonna start a reverence restoration project show here in just a second but Pray for us if you would for the show for the church Lot going on out there. We're gonna talk today about Traditiones custodes, which the Pope promulgated recently All right, new mark get set This is Dan and Jordan Burke welcome to the reverence restoration project or once again joined by Father Altier who's a priest at the Archdiocese of St. Paul Minneapolis St. Paul and Minneapolis welcome again father. Thank you Dan great to be with you so today we're talking about Traditiones custodes, which of course is the is The new mode appropriate which essentially in many ways reverses what Pope Benedict put in place to allow for the Latin Mass To be offered by any priest without having to have permission and a lot of people are reeling We've been working on the reverence restoration project for some time and we have We're building a bank of shows before we released them but we thought we would jump out there today to try to bring some peace and Solace to comfort to God's people regarding this situation and Before we Jumplin with father Altier. I wanted to ask Jordan. So Jordan Of course is my son. You're 30 now, right? That's right. So he's 30 years old. He's his preference has been since he Really returned to the faith the Latin Mass and you've been going to the Latin Mass ever since, right? How did it how did it like just talk about the visceral response like be real, you know open and You know, how did it affect you when you heard this was coming down? It's frustrating it is very frustrating because you know, they're I've only experienced immense amounts of goodness and peace and growth especially growth I've talked to before about how I've learned more Attending the Latin Mass about the faith and the various aspects of the faith Then I think that I ever would have reading books on my own It was just every Sunday was a different sermon. That was like this is hey, you want to learn about guardian angels This is about guardian angels tied to the gospel. Hey, you want to learn about why we do this Let's talk about why the Ambo has these things on it. Let's talk about the Pelican why there's a pelican, you know, all these different things So there was there was an overwhelming amount of growth and knowledge of the faith Which then of course leads to more love and recognizing the beauty of the faith but then on more of a personal level it was just like Gasoline on fire like the Holy Spirit fire. It was just you know, just been you right in a huge huge way peace and yeah, I'm putting you on the spot and we are live so This is a little dangerous But if you could sit across from the Holy Father because I know you don't have any animus toward him Right, but if you could sit across from the Holy Father and he asked you You know to give to speak to him about this. What would you say? I? think removing something that is Proven to be overwhelmingly beneficial to so many because of the sins of a few is Harmful to everyone. Hmm. Yeah And of course you'd ask him to reverse the decision, right? So in this conversation, of course, we're not against the Pope. The Pope is the Holy Father and We're we're not complaining, but We're just trying to understand how it is and with Father Altier's help as a priest who celebrates and has celebrated for a long time both The extraordinary in the ordinary form But father, how is it that we should respond to this? I mean I my instinct is I I don't like it. I don't agree with it. I've struggled with it a bit but We shouldn't be surprised we're in persecution and We should rejoice in the face of it not rejoice because it's Happening and it's harmful but rejoice knowing we're sharing in the sufferings of Christ And be people of light and figure out a way forward that is not You know the way of the son the way of court, you know the sons of Korah and all of that. So I'm what are your thoughts? Well, I I agree completely on that. I I think it's tragic on Practical level. I agree with what Jordan is saying as I see the way that things have developed over the last number of years The young families that are that are coming to the traditional mass and and and and just the influence and impact It's having on people Positively, you know, I I just see this as as a tragic thing but the other side of it and and I preached this from the pulpit at the traditional mass a week ago and I said number one we need to pray and Let's just wait and be be calm That's exactly what our Lord told Isaiah and waiting and in calm He would be saved and so we just need to stay at peace because what the devil wants is for us to get angry He wants us to get upset. He wants us to become chaotic Then we're gonna look like the keystone cops crashing into one another and look like a bunch of fools and so at this point We have to recognize the bishops were caught off guard with this It was was done in a way that just normally isn't in the church and that is it was released sadly on the feast day of our lady Mount Carmel and It for it was implemented immediately Normally, they would say okay This will be implemented in six weeks or two months give the bishops an opportunity to look at it We put in some feedback to determine how it's gonna be implemented in their diocese whatever This was just immediate and so so it took everybody off guard. So we need to wait we need to pray There is a cannon cannon 87 Which says that the bishops have the authority in their diocese to do what is best for the people and That includes and it states right in there Even to go a contrary to those things that are coming from the highest authority in the church There are a couple of exceptions like if it's a penitential thing or whatever this does not fit the exception So in other words any bishop in the world for the good of his people in his diocese can say I'm not going to do this. We're going to continue to do what we've been doing We're seeing that with a lot of bishops that they're coming out and saying no We're not going to we're going to keep doing the traditional mass So we need to pray we need to pray for our bishops that that they will have the wisdom as we go forward But what we need also to do Is to remember that our Lord told us it's in the the last of the beatitudes actually That when you're persecuted and things that we are to rejoice and to be glad and And again there as as you said Dan It's not we're not rejoicing because of this but rather we are being united with our Lord And it's him that they are against it's not us and and so so if we have the privilege to be able to endure part of his passion to go through that with him praise God and And that that's a great gift, you know Of course God's gifts look and feel like the cross because they are and and so so That's what we have to be able to see in this is that the Lord is giving to us an opportunity to carry the cross a little bit and And that that's what's cause for rejoicing for us And and so so in the meantime we need to pray and we need to trust this is all part of God's providence and Understand the church is going to be crucified the church is Jesus Christ. She is enduring her passion This is my own opinion. So I was happy to see however that archvizio bigano Said the same thing last week, but nonetheless I've been saying this for a couple of years The church is enduring her passion right now. She is going to be crucified. She must the church is jesus christ mystical person of christ obviously And therefore must be crucified and so I think this is part of what's leading in that direction And so again if we look at that from the point of view of rejoicing The fathers of the church said that the most blessed of all christians will be the ones who are alive when the church is crucified I think that's us and that is cause for rejoicing. It will not be fun The crucifixion wasn't fun. This isn't going to be either So we're not rejoicing because this is going to be exciting and fun But we're rejoicing because we have the immense privilege to be united with jesus in his cross And therefore we will be united with him in his resurrection Yeah, you know, I was in mental prayer a couple days ago And I ended up writing a reflection and the the gospel verse for that day was telling the story of when Mary magdalene went to the tomb found it open couldn't find jesus and I was really struck by the language that was used in that gospel when Jesus, you know, first of all, she she didn't recognize in her sadness In her sorrow and her right and good sorrow of losing jesus She didn't recognize him standing right in front of her until he called her by name But the thing that I found really interesting was He I looked up the word I'm kind of a nerd when it comes to etymology, you know I want to know like grasp the greek and all that kind of stuff, but He said do not hold on to me And the word the word translated I looked up some different things meant to like fasten And I was wondering and I kind of wrote this reflection that was along the same lines of okay We're experiencing a little bit of this now In terms of the lap mass being taken It's like god is still so the question then is What do I do right? I if I if given a choice I would only go to the latin mass if given a choice If I don't have that choice I'm going to go to the you know ordinary form and be fine. Jesus is here, right? So to that gospel Jesus is standing in front of you. Can you see it? Do you recognize it and are you holding on to something that you're not supposed to be holding on to? And I don't know. I mean it this is just Maybe I'm just repeating what we all know, but maybe someone out there needs to hear that But I think we mentioned it prior to when we started this It's not over and I agree. It's it is a time to pray we talked about. Hey, this is the time that You know, we're going to become saints. Okay. Well, I think we need to start living like it Your thoughts father I couldn't agree with you more. I mean that's you know the the goal and and I've I've mentioned this in homilies over the years I listened to parents and and I hear the same thing over and over and it just makes me cringe every time All I want is for my kids to be happy And I always say, uh, how about what I want us for my kids to be saints That's where we're at. We are being given an opportunity to be saints And one of the things that I have Harped on parents about over the years is that when our kids are young We read them the lives of the saints and when they get a little older we tell them don't be like that well That that's there there's a disconnect here and so now we have an opportunity to be like that Every one of us has to make a choice And that choice for us must be jesus There will be no middle ground in this and we must be understand that this is far bigger than the latin mass This is about the church And it is about our souls Every person on the face of the earth will have to make a choice either for or against jesus And if we are going to stand with jesus That means we must be crucified with christ in order to rise with christ And so we need to be clear jesus was clear we have bought this false gospel That jesus doesn't want us to suffer and jesus did it all for us and so on Nowhere absolutely nowhere in scripture is that even hinted at because it's not true Jesus told us we must take up our cross and follow him He told us what's going to befall us The the apostles told us the same thing every book of the new testament tells us this But somehow we just ignore that and we we think that we don't need it Well more than ever we need it and and so so let's let's unite ourselves with our lord And make that choice it must be a radical choice at the depths of our being the word radical Means at the roots so at the depths of our being can't just be well Yeah, I guess if it's jesus or satan i'd rather go with jesus it's like no no no We have to make the choice. We have to embrace it. We have to live it And and that's what all of us have to do and that's what we're being given the opportunity to do And that's the cause for rejoicing That's why our lord is telling us that when these things happen to rejoice and be glad because our reward in heaven will be great Yeah, uh fascinating. Well, I totally agree with you Uh, a lot of folks don't know that in the past you've been an extra system You've been involved and you're still involved with deliverance ministry And so I only say that to give you a little bit extra street cred or a lot a lot more street cred, I guess um the way I see One of the ways that we deal with tough situations is we ask What does the devil want me to do in this circumstance and you've covered it a little but I think it's worth Being really really specific So I want to throw out a few things that I think the devil wants us to do And then get your Take on it one. He wants us to hate the pope or Or you know, I I've seen more and more people calling him bergolio Which you know He's done many things. I struggle with he's not he is the holy father and and And I'm no apologist in any way folks know my track record. I was the president bwtn news. I hired ed penton you know, so Uh, I've always been firm on you know being honest and truthful about things going on in the church But he wants us to hate the pope or disrespect the pope. He wants us to hate or disrespect bishops in their office when they Do like the all the bishops in costa rica from what I've heard. It's my wife's Family's home country They basically banned the latin mass end to end wholesale done um They want and that's you know, pretty dramatic and it causes me some grief interiorly as I say it Uh, because I particularly I have grief because of I know the the good people who go to the latin mass, you know Um, I go to five latin or an ordinary form masses a week and one latin mass a week as a norm You know, so I go to both and I love both communities And I just you know, I know they're ache, but the devil wants you to hate your bishop He for those who are in dioceses that Or your pastors for those in dioceses where The majority of diocese I've seen by the way Are not changing anything. I mean, I haven't done a scientific survey, but san francisco little rock boston tucson juliet south south work, uh, uk baton ruse louisiana Um, no change keep until further notice washington, oklahoma city, arlington brownsville heartford bridgewood troit You know, um, well, I've only heard of one bishop immediately in the u.s. Saying it's out But he wants us to fear the future Uh and and get folk get out of the present moment Um, he wants us to have anxiety and he wants us to sit around talking about this over and over and over While people are going to hell and I'm not saying it's not important And I do believe it should be reported on i'm out of the news now god be praised But I it should be reported on and it should be evaluated and analyzed, but i'm just saying The average parishioner we have the least control in all of this. We must not Get caught up In the anxiety and anger of it all when I think the other big thing at least from what I've seen in the people That I've talked to there's a growing number who are looking at underground masses And I'd be curious what you have to say on this father. My understanding is Council of Trent says obey your wicked pastors unless it leads you to you know, I don't remember what the exact rundown is But essentially unless it's mortal sin And then alphonsus writes on obeying your spiritual director the same way unless it leads you to mortal sin. That's sort of a thing I know i'm giving really broad overview of that and there's a lot of nuance, but my understanding is Please correct me if i'm wrong, but if your bishop says There's no latin mass in your area That means there's no latin mass in your area and if you go to a latin mass quote-unquote underground latin mass Is that not technically disobedience and if that's the case would that not be what the enemy wants from us as well? Well, and and it'll depend again on the individual bishop because the way that That this document is written Not only is it saying that we don't want latin masses, but the priest also must have permission from his bishop If he's going to do a latin mass And so so even to to do one underground The way that this is written would still require permission And and so so that becomes where the the rub is it's it's you know Not just a matter that that we have faculties to say mass So up till now we can say either mass But we also need to remember there are a number of dioceses in the united states and elsewhere Where in 2007 when pope benedict came out with with sumorum pontificum That they he gave permission to any priest to be able to say the traditional mass And there were a number of bishops who immediately came out and said not in my diocese And and so it was forbidden in a number of dioceses even though the pope had given permission And and so so we have to look at that In this way as well to be able to say all right If the bishop is going to say you absolutely cannot do this and I will not give permission to the priest to do it Then the priest doesn't have the ability at that point You know, he still has his faculties to say mass But they're limited at that point if the bishop explicitly limits them Right now They're not you know, so in in our diocese for instance The archbishop has said continue doing exactly what you've been doing You know, we can't start a new latin mass without permission But if you you know, whatever was being done on the weekend that this came out Continue doing it as we study this further But he said what I do want is for the priests who are doing this to be able to to get permission You know, which he's willing to give without a problem But it's he just wants to make that explicit And and so so again if that's the case You know, technically we still have the permission We would have the explicit permission at that point But he has the authority to explicitly remove that permission as well So it's it's going to depend on the individual bishops at this point And and how they choose to implement this this document in their diocese It's from my understanding and I And I I agree with this definition the anger Is the god given energy to do the right thing, you know I think there are other emotions like passion and zeal Similarly, you could use that kind of definition In this case as for the laity, I want to shift and talk about what we can do, right, right? There's there might be more options than people think, you know, some people live so if you're in a diocese And you know father what i'm looking to you to do of course is provide us the theological and kleeseological boundaries So we're not we're not proposing anything that is is off base, but for instance, if you're I have a friend who regularly goes to Memphis but who lives in a different diocese And if it's banned in his diocese, but he goes over to Memphis He's not doing he's not being disobedient because he's He's going to mass with a bishop who approves it and the diocesan boundaries or or parish boundaries Ideas really been really faded. Is that would that be true? Well, yeah, and even even if you've even removed the whole point about the the boundaries The reality is he's crossed the boundary into another diocese And and so that would be across the board. For instance, there are some dioceses that will say That ascension thursday is prayed on ascension thursday and others that have moved it to sunday Well, it is the diocese in which you are presently standing that you are under You know, so in other words, you might live in one diocese and work in another one Well, if the one where you're living Requires that you have to go to ascension thursday mass on thursday And you're working in another diocese Well, you don't have to go where you're working, but when you go home You're still required so it it can cause some issues that way for some people But in this case as you're saying if this man crosses the diocesan boundary and is now in the diocese of Memphis Then he has the the right and the obligation to do what they do in Memphis at that point And and so if they're allowing the the traditional mass Then he is he has every right to go to that and that is not being disobedient to his bishop Because he's no longer in the diocese Where where that bishop has authority Other option good other options folks have is you can move, you know the That's essentially the same thing. Yeah. Yeah, you know I think tim gordon has talked of late. He was in LA and got persecuted for Just being honest and truthful about political situations And uh, he has been advocating that Catholics and christians, you know just devout christians, but Catholics in particular Move to states that are more politically friendly to them in terms of freedoms and Expression of religion and not hostile like, you know, most of the east and west coast are and with some great severity Similarly folks can do that here. I mean if you if you can't good content I I can I can go to a I have no no issue. I and I Very much and blessed that in our community Every mass that we have is high novus ordo So that means it's it's uh ad orientum typically it's, you know, more latin. It's it has incense It's all always done faithfully. We just had a big event our summit At handsville in alabama and our investiture. We had one traditional latin mass, which was exquisite All the novus ordo or ordinary foreign masses were beautiful. We don't allow for arguing Between rights because it doesn't help anything even though there are, you know, that liturgists can properly argue You know, how how much grace and efficacious Uh efficacious this would be either form But if you can't and i'm not saying it's right or wrong just saying if this is where you are If you cannot in good conscience go to an ordinary form mass Then you may have to get up and move and find yourself a bishop who Is more in line with what you're thinking and it's important to note as well that your obligation Is to go to mass on sunday, right? The other argument that I I have come up all the time is well What if I live in an area with and there's no reverent ordinary form you got to go to mass You got to go to mass and it's and it's this is why that gospel I can't keep reflecting on that gospel passage. It's like jesus is still there. Yeah, he's still there He's still right in front of you whether you recognize it or not. He's still there You know and I think that's really important people need to understand you have to go if you do not go to mass on sunday You are in mortal sin, right? Even if there's not a reverent and I and I will say and I'm gonna I might get myself in trouble here but every ordinary form mass that I attend Monday through friday has abuse in it What do I do? I ignore it. Why because I don't have control over it And I want and I I want to give myself to the lord and the eucharist I'm going to receive all those graces by attending the mass But I don't have control and and to Get upset and sometimes I do don't get me wrong I you know, I've walked out of To I would say which I don't you know think is a good thing to do generally speaking But I want to I want to participate in the eucharist and if there are valid masses You know, we need to understand that we need that we need that that sustenance from the lord And it's our obligation and duty on sunday as you noted Jordan I want to hear what father has to say, but I This is totally anecdotal But I've had again a lot of people ask that question and I've said look You know because I've been to the same masses that you've been to some of them are horrific have horrific abuses And some people have sent me messages with even worse than what I've experienced But my answer is always the same Your suffering is is good. You're hurting because you're seeing something that's wrong that needs to be corrected You can't correct it. So what can you do right offer that suffering up? I mean, I I think in a big way This is an opportunity for people who are hurting because the latin mass is taken away from them If it is taken away from them again I think this is kind of blown a little bit somewhat out of proportion Not to not to take away the how devastating it truly is but I think the reaction is somewhat out of proportion But you have an opportunity to go to a mass if it's not a reverent Guess what your pain and you're hurting and you're suffering can and should be offered up And I would argue and father, please correct me if I'm wrong But I would argue if you're not offering that pain and suffering up if you're just sitting in your pew and stewing stewing You're doing a disservice to the church because those people who have taken that advice and offered it up I would add that I can remember every one of them has come back with some sort of Story about oh, hey, you know someone saw that I was I didn't go up to receive and they saw that I was praying and crying and we had a conversation and And it led to this and now they're going deeper into the faith. I'm giving a very general I've heard similar stories. So I don't know. I think that needs to be noted and I don't know father Please correct me if any of that was was off base No, and in fact, let me even put it into a broader Point for you. That's active participation in the mass I mean literally at that point our lord is more offended than we are And by what's going on and and so we can unite ourselves with his suffering Which is exactly what we're supposed to do. Anyway, that's again the active participation to unite yourself with the sacrifice But remember Sacrifice and suffering cannot be separated. There is no suffering in the Eucharist So the suffering is In the mystical christ We are to bring our sufferings and sacrifices unite them put them up on the patent put them in the chalice And and unite them with our lord's sacrifice. So that's what's being offered to our heavenly father Well, if you're going to a mass that is irreverent You've got plenty that you can offer United with our lord suffering at that point And and so don't waste it if that's the case and and offer that unite it with our lord and and again It's not because you enjoy it or like it. It's you know, when I was in the seminary It was horrible. I can't tell you some of the things that happen at mass And of course part of the reason I can't tell you is because one of the things that I taught myself to do Is I just simply closed my eyes Because I would get so upset about what was going on I finally just stopped looking and and I could just pray I I focused on Jesus in the tabernacle And then of course I focused on the words of consecration And then I could focus on our lord truly present on the altar After the moment of consecration So I just united myself with him in prayer Because otherwise I found myself getting getting way too upset about the foolishness that that they were that they were doing at mass Yeah, yeah, that's great advice and I I've done that many many times. In fact, it's very normal You know, even funny enough even in the Latin mass Uh, I tend to close my eyes and it's a The low mass in particular it's very prayerful And so most of the time I spend praying and then I you know look up and kind of connect with what's going on and offer myself In the mass so in the ordinary form, I close my eyes most of the time so that I don't get You know, so I don't get distracted away from the lord and even I know this may sound a little bit extreme or weird Because I have had at least one member of my family Get uncomfortable with me as I take earplugs Not during not key moments during the mass Uh, I will take them out and listen and you know the gospel read in the ordinary form gospel readings and things like that and of course You know certain prayers of the priest But you know, you got to do what you got to do and you can't I can't say this over enough and I over and over enough The devil wants you angry The devil wants you mad the devil wants you angry at bishops The devil wants you angry at your priest the devil wants you angry at the pope Anything but god is what he wants He wants you to do anything but worship anything but eventualize anything but You know positively constructively Build the kingdom that you have in your control and we have a lot in our controls like people uh, so You know, I wish You know, I I I I have wept in mass before At the abuses so I am nobody who takes it lightly We're we're doing this show and a whole series of formative projects To help restore reverence. I published books To help restore reverence and it commissioned the writing of books to help restore reverence But we must not be pawns of the devil when you know, it's so dumb And I I want to use harsher words It's so stupid To have so let's say this is from the enemy and I you know I want to be careful how I say that but let's say it is Then then the on the other side the enemy's going and here let me hand you a pitchfork and a torch And then he controls both sides of the stupid conversation While the world's going to hell Good priest you as a good priest father all tear Must do what you have permission to do and under your control Good lay people must do what's under our control and do not fall into the trap of You know spinning about this and a lot of my traditionalist friends I'm seeing it out there show after show Breaking it down and talking about in details. It's part of the big conspiracy all that And I do think it's in some ways a conspiracy, but what does that help? It's it's all fawns of uniformity with god's will everything that happens is either willed or permitted and So is this willed? I don't know is this permitted. I don't know doesn't matter not really I mean that's early is it's the will of god And so again, that doesn't mean it's because he wants the mass to be shut down He's the one that wants the mass Right, but it's a matter that again He's allowing us to suffer with him And and I think that's the piece people need to understand And for lay people especially to understand The power that you have in prayer. Yep, very infasting You know, I I reminded the people here. I said look at look at ester the queen and and uh, and You know, she's a jewish woman and and you know, she's the queen and a pagan empire and they didn't know she was jewish and Because her people were going to be exterminated She alone Had the ability to do something about it She took her life in her own hands because if it was she wasn't asked by the king to come She could be put to death She prayed and she fasted and then she went and addressed the king This is a lay woman And she is the one who saved the people of israel. Yeah single-handedly at that point And and so so and it was prayer and fasting And so don't underestimate the power that you have And and the prayer can change everything the rosary is extraordinarily powerful Fasting is what what adds the the real power to the prayer And and so pray for the bishops pray for the pope And and just pray for For peace The interior peace and and don't you know as dan was saying don't get angry. Don't leave the church Don't do something foolish. That's what the devil wants He doesn't care which end of the spectrum you fall off of as long as you fall off Right. And so in madeo stat virtuos is the old saying in the middle stands virtue That's where jesus is Right smack in the middle. Keep your focus on him Keep your focus on his passion and recognize that you have the opportunity the privilege To go through the passion with him right now Don't run away That's you know, there there are lots of people who will run away when when they have an opportunity to suffer That's the gift that he's offering you. He's offering you a share in the cross Don't turn it down. Don't run away from it. It's going to hurt. It's going to be painful He fell three times under the cross And and so so we we can't expect that we're just going to be you know carrying this without any problem It's it's going to weigh us down But what is the attitude? What was his attitude when they put you know When they put the cross on his shoulders, he said to his apostles before at the last supper He said I have longed for this and when he talked about what was going to happen He said for this reason I came into the world. And so this is what he was waiting for Yes, when it came and he was in the garden He prayed that the cup would pass him by but then thanks be to god He said not my will but thine be done And and so that's what we have to pray to You know god is giving us an opportunity to suffer right now in this way Thy will be done, you know if this cup can pass by praise the lord But if it's your will then let me accept it. Let me unite this with jesus And and and unite that with his suffering because What is the mass? It's the sacrifice of calvary We have the privilege of being there every time Now we have the privilege of actually being able to suffer with him on calvary Be united with our blessed lady and with st. John and st. Mary Magdalene But it's more than that they were at the foot of the cross We are being given an opportunity to be put on the cross And what a gift again not fun But what a beautiful gift when you stop to think that what this is going to do is bring about the conversion of souls This is going to bring about the salvation of souls This is going to bring about the application of the redemptive grace of jesus christ Because we are suffering and we're praying That's what we're rejoicing in is the good that will come out of it Not about the suffering itself But about the good that god will bring and look at the good he brought from the suffering of christ That is the greatest injustice in history The greatest good came from it. It is the salvation of souls Amen the I want to propose a very specific way that Because some folks out there are going I get it. I don't know how to do that like tell me something specific to do I also want to tell you What we do in the community of apostolate VA and we've actually been doing it for years Is that we propose We have a guide a prayer book that all the community has and in the prayer book It has guidelines for participation in mass and we propose that everyone who can Kneel on the floor whenever possible for during the mass And that discomfort offer it up in reparation for sac for For a sacrilege for desecration for misuse Offered up for priests and religious and bishops Offered up for the restoration of reverence and what we Then what we do is we pray after we receive the Eucharist We go back to our seats kneel on the floor and pray the litany of the Eucharist whether or not it's It's a Latin mass or ordinary form play the litany of the Eucharist by st. Peter amar Which is a litany of thanksgiving To the lord for the Eucharist, but as you do it on the floor offering up that litany specifically For good priests and bishops and specifically in reparation for those actions taken that are destructive To the faith Jordan, you have any other ideas? I know you like this kind of thing mortification and suffering. That's kind of my Yeah, do the harder thing in your ministry so that you know Yeah, that's a big one and I would just again recognize that You know any opportunity that you have To offer up your suffering and whatever form that may be is efficacious and it's good and it needs to happen So every sadness right every You know tinge of anger right if you're forced out of the Latin mass and you struggle every abuse every You know sort of catholic light homily you hear whatever it is right and I I'll say We have an amazing ordinary form mass here in the arts in the diocese of Birmingham at the cathedral under father Jarvis, right, you know who's the chancellor? So, you know try to find those move if you can there's a lot of options that we have And the one we don't want to take is the one the devil is offering I think we can conclude with this and that is anger at the pope anger at the bishops Disobedience frustration disobedience That is not the way of god And we will be contributing to the devil's plan If we fall into those traps and father i'll give you the Last word and maybe you can say a prayer as we close in this Edition of the reverence restoration project for those who are suffering and for those who are perpetrating suffering Well, and so a couple of things just first everybody remember You can go anywhere to go to mass You can't go just anywhere to suffer And so if god is providing some opportunity for you don't run away from it Yeah, that's that and so try to embrace it and pray for the grace to do that as americans We really haven't ever had a chance to suffer for our faith You know it's at the most it's it's like equal to a hangnail or something You know somebody called me a name or whatever big deal, you know We're now being given an opportunity to actually carry the cross And it's not going to be easy because we're not used to it But what a gift and so so, you know if it's possible don't run from it Try to embrace it continue to pray like dan said don't get angry. That's not going to help anything Anger is the proper response to an injustice, but it's to correctly injustice and that must be done with charity And so if there's nothing we can do to correct it you have to let the anger go And just turn to prayer Let's be catholic You know that that means we pray that means that we unite ourselves with our lord and his sacrifice And and so let's act in a truly christian manner here and and rise above all of these things You know I can also just to put it all into context so people understand When I was in the seminary back in the 1980s This is exactly the garbage that we were being taught And so for me, this is deja vu I mean this is it's really sad I you know, I thought that with pope john palm pope benedict. We had outlived all of that It has come back roaring with a vengeance So for those old enough to be able to remember the horrible times of the 70s and 80s That's really what's underneath this. There's an agenda That's that's much bigger and and so just understand that but again, don't get angry. Don't worry about it It's all in god's providence and this is all going to work out very very well And and so god will bring greater good onto this if we are able to be faithful through it And so keep your focus on jesus and the best way to do that is go to our lady So so those are the keys, but it's just unite yourself with jesus and And just pray and and and so Anyway, uh, so with with that You know the the most important gift that we have is the holy eucharist And while we can you know, maybe say that I prefer this form of the mass as opposed to that form of the mass Okay, that's a personal preference But the most important thing is the eucharist That is the most important thing in the entire universe is the holy eucharist So don't get caught up in how the eucharist is present. Just get caught up in the holy eucharist So let's pray Heavenly father, we give you thanks and praise for all the graces that you have given to us and especially for the holy mass the sacrifice of your son And for the holy eucharist the fruit of that sacrifice Ask that you will open our hearts and minds to be able to conform to your holy will Give us peace in our hearts Fill our minds with your truth Fill our hearts with your charity So that we can love always in truth and with the greatest peace and joy I ask that you will bless in a special way especially those Who are hurting whose masses have been taken away from them That that you will give them the grace to be able To unite themselves with those throughout history who have had the mass taken away from them And to recognize that this is an opportunity for them to grow deeper in love with you And as our lord in those days when he was in the tomb was taken away From his disciples from his mother from those who loved him That helped them to grow in love with him even more as we heard earlier With st. Mary magdalene and now I ask that you will help these people to draw near to you To love you even more and as the absence of our lord In this way makes the hearts grow fonder and help us to love Jesus with our whole heart and soul and strength To be able to suffer with him and to rejoice in the grace and the gift that we have been given I asked for that grace to be able to remain faithful through everything that will come And to unite ourselves with our blessed lord in his suffering in his death So that we will be united with him in his resurrection And the lord be with you The blessing of almighty god the father and the son and the holy spirit descend upon you and remain with you forever Amen before we thank you father before we head out. I just want to say for folks A big amen father. It's so awesome to spend time with you um The uh for folks who are out there just going wow, I like these guys They're not crazy. They're not uh shying away from the issues. They're not uh They're not obfuscating them, but they're facing them in a catholic way if that's a blessing to you I want to just point you to two resources to find more One is spiritualdirection.com so this this video will be out there as well at some point all of our interviews That we do on the radio on divine intimacy radio all of that all great content all faithful the The other thing is if you're longing for catholic community with this kind of perspective Go to apostoleva.org. A P O S T O L I V I A E dot org It's it's spelled the way it sounds and our producer just put it up on the screen there for those who are watching And uh set up a profile and what you're going to find is uh, a bunch of folks who love the latin mass A bunch of folks who love the or ordinary form a bunch of folks who love their faith Bottom line and who are looking to do exactly what father altair preached on this show so so well And that is to be a part of the building of the kingdom to be a part of Embracing our suffering and really making a difference rather than running around like chickens with their heads cut off Where the sky is falling but instead facing the storm with jesus and by and by doing so Provide a light to those who are really struggling and don't know how to do so So thanks again for being with us father altair on the reverence restoration project We really really appreciate your pastoral care for us in this in this time Oh god bless you keep up the great work. All right. We'll see you all next time