 All back to the past and protect the future. We're very clever and what you've got to do is a lot of coppers, because I ended up teaching interview skills. There's nothing sneaky about it, it's a thing called retropocit. I'll give you something, you'll give me something. If you're on the whole, you want to help out on that whole. And like we said to you criminals because I'm on grassism. Grasses, they're age old, they work, surveillance, Iphone's on that are good now, they solve murders on Iphone's. They say there's more informants and police officers now. It's just everywhere, you know, and you've got to protect them as well. I'm not saying it's right, I'm not saying it's wrong, but it's a means to an end, and it's a good way of working, I did enjoy it, and I was very good at recording informants. But what you've got to do is, when you get a sex offender, they're emotionally, they're stunted, if they've been abused, which a lot of them are. So, emotionally, you've got an angry young child there, right? Intellectually, they're clever, right? Because when you get a criminal career criminal, now I do quite a lot of stuff with big Chris Lambriano, you know? And of course, Chris was a career criminal, you know? And he started off, and when he told you about his timeline of offending, you know? Yeah, his accolades and stuff. Incredible, you know, but you won't get that with sex offenders. With sex offenders, what you'll get is, on the whole, they'll have no convictions. If they do it, tends to be for deception, but they won't. That's why these CRB checks are a nonsense when it comes to sex offenders. You know, they are if you don't want a thief working for you, they're perfect. Or you don't want a dormant who's going to knock people's teeth out, they're fantastic. Sex offenders are obsolete, they ain't going to work. So, what you can't do is try and outwit them, right? And don't ever be a smart ars to people, because if I'm horribly you, the last thing you're ever going to do is talk to me. So, you split an interview into two ars, you have their arf, then you have your arf, right? A lot of coppers go in on the attack, you see it on the telly, I put it to you and all this. And it said, you can't do that, right? So, what I used to do was I would, I'd take it to my mate, you know, you just go along with me. So, I'd make out I've been drinking all night, right? And I'd have a folder. Now, what I would do, I'd know my case inside out. I'd know it's so inside out I could actually almost verbatimally read their statements without referring to it. So, I knew everything in that file. So, I'd take in a load of papers and I put them on the side. And I'd say, I always made out I was lay and everything else. And I said to my mate, I haven't read through this, you know. And I used to put a cup of coffee on the side and then drop it on the paper work sometimes. God, look, I don't need it. I can't be bothered to read. And you see them sitting there smugly looking. And then you just engage in conversation. Now, no comments are a skill in their own right. And actually, no comments are the best tool you can ever have, because you can. If you know how to interview properly, really, really tie someone up with no comment. And I know it's going to be people watching this, you know, sneaky sod. But it's just a bit to say, sneaky bastard. It's a battle of wits, and it is a battle of wits. You know, you win some, you lose some. Do you have a photographic man in me that John? I'm pretty good. My memory is pretty good. If I know what I'm on about, it's pretty good. Now, I interviewed Tracy Connolly, who's baby peas mother, right? And you know, the baby pea case, the little Peter Connolly, the little boy that was brutalised to death in Tottenham in London. It made the papers. His mum's just been released, I think. Anyway, they just brutalised his kid to death. They just did all sorts to her and her partner. And she has a nutcase, you know, your psychopath, really. But when you interview her, she was everything was I'm really good with my children. You know, I put them on the naughty step and you go along with it. You say, well, that's good. That shows that you're caring and you're doing it right. And what I'd done was I'd read the paediatric report and the paediatric report was appalling and it was, you know, it's evidentially backed up and there was high impact trauma injuries. Only a fist could have, you know, a facial bruising consistent with a blunt instrument hitting at four. So someone smashed a kid in the face, you know? I said, look, you know, there's injuries. We're going to have to talk through these injuries. So I'd always draw a little picture and I'd draw a little picture of the boy and said, look, where this bruising on the face? How did he get that? And she went, well, she said he bruises easy. And I went, oh, OK, that'll explain all the bruises. So go along with it. And she said, look, he was hit in the face by a toy. I went, OK. And then they're giving you a gift now toy. So top, he said, all right, well, what toy is that then? Oh, it's like she's actually drew a picture of a knuckle duster. And all it was was actually a teething ring, right? So it was a teething ring. So it was a round little teething ring that they hold them by. So I got to describe it and she said it's really soft and it's got the consistency of a wet sponge. And I went, OK. So she's now taken ownership of that, that a kid has been hit in the face with something with a consistency of a wet sponge. So I said, well, who hit him? Oh, another boy, his friend, who's also two years old or 18 months or whatever and hit him really softly. And so what she's doing, she's taken ownership of the interview now and she was saying that he hit him in the face like that. She's showing me. So I said, please show me, show me. So when you interview, you only have to ask four questions. Tell me, explain, describe, show. That's all you need to ask. Open questions to get as much info as you can out of them. And she's showing me and all this. I said, well, you know, my God, you said to keep bruising. You weren't lying, were you? She went, no, I'm not a liar. They're saying I'm a liar. I went, all right. Now what about this? And it went on like this. Every injury was ridiculously accounted for. And, you know, she's sitting there smug. She was taking herself in of the question. Of course. And given her ownership of it and saying, OK, you're not being sneaky. Well, you are, I suppose, but you're not lying. You're not tripping up. She tripping herself up. And she's had her ass. I said, OK. Now, before we go, you know, we've just got to go through what they've said. And then I turned and I just said, right. This injury in the face is conducive. This is a pediatrician with 20 years experience dealing with child abuse matters. Ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, read out all her credentials, you know, and then read. This is a high impact trauma with a blunt instrument to the face conducive with a fist traveling at speed. Bang, bang. And then this and then you said this, but hang on. Of course, she turned around. She just stood up and she just went for me, you know, in the interview. Fagging, you know, spitting and all that. But and then what you say, well, that's the monster you're just your son sees. Pushing the buttons. Yeah, because and this is what they do with grooming, you see, they, you know, they're all decent and grooming is the same as people chatting a bird up. You look nice and this is what they're doing. They're being ingratiating all that. But their goal is to have sex with them or to hurt them or whatever. Right. And then when they don't, that's when you see the demon. So what you've got to do is not put yourself intellectually above and be a smug bastard. I would never wear a suit, you know, suit again. It's official. It's horrible. It puts people ill at ease, put them at ease. And again, give them a cup of tea, a cigarette and all that. You know, if they're if they're a good person and they're not going to do anything, then they ain't going to tell you anything. You ain't going to get anything, you know, but you don't need to be a bastard to them. But there are some people you need to use every bit of intelligence you can.