 looking up Main Street towards the UVM. The idea is in a concern or where the proposal came from is on the right-hand side of or the south side of Main Street is a significant number of occurrences. These are people's houses. These are from porches. It is a significant elevation change to where the Oranze upon was. So there are features in the right that are really difficult to say. We want that space back because taking people's houses in front of the houses is not going to make Main Street great. So to compromise to retain parking, to retain travel lanes, the three belts was to propose the Sherry's path. One of the mitigation strategies or things to look at is this dimensional numbers. Wow, I didn't like that. The numbers at the bottom of the screen, you know, really reviewing the inches. It's a game of inches sometimes in our constrained right-of-ways about what can fit and what can't fit. The parking study would also potentially be able to inform restoration of a dedicated facility in here and that maybe the parking on the south side of the street isn't necessary in this one block. And then the space can go back to restoring separated, dedicated, protected bike facilities. So those are some of our ideas and directions that we're moving with the feedback that we've heard. We've been to the Parks Commission earlier this month as it relates to changing the, sorry, the tree belt facilities and the green spaces that do exist into other items. It's where their purview rests. We were at the Church Street Marketplace Commission this morning so that we could speak with them as it relates to the intersection of the Church Street Marketplace, which is actually some bricks that appear on Main Street. That is their, their purview. And then we are here tonight to look for support of the DPW Commission. It's a little bit of an oddity in the fact that we're not actually, we're not seeking any regulatory changes at this moment, but we do recognize this is a monumental project with significant changes to our community and do want to make sure that we provide early opportunities for your voice. So in front of you is the motion that we have for the City Council on Monday. And welcome discussion at this point. All right. Thank you. Thank you for that introduction. Open up to the Commission at this point, Commissioner Barr. Thanks. So I'm in support of Complete Streets. I think that it's much needed in our city and I've always viewed roads as something for everybody to use as mobility, not just for cars. And it's, it's met with a lot of difficult discussions with people, friends of mine and, and people that I don't know that tend to voice their opinion. I'm very much in support of, of trying to keep contiguous bike lanes so that there's not a lot of changing back and forth. I know that sometimes it's, it's, it's hard for pedestrians. It's hard for cyclists. It's hard for vehicles because there's some changes there, even if you get used to it. I very much be in support of, of having the consultant, that what it is, consultant that you're, to, to look at, do the parking study and see if we can move the parking so that we can have a bike lane on both sides. And I think that would be, there's so many people that are going to start biking now. Another thing that I hear a lot of, well, I hardly see any bikes out there. So why are you going to put in a bike lane? Well, if you put in a bike lane and make it safe and inviting for cyclists, then there will be more cyclists. Colchester Avenue is a perfect example of that. And Jason Stuffle has done some good, good numbers and counts and I see him posting on bike, bikeable Berlin all the time that, you know, now there's 15 bikes within an hour going by and, and I use it myself. So I think that if we put it there, then we'll come. And maybe we can look at some options in the winter if, if there is a huge reduction in cyclists of, of trying to come up with some 30 minute stopping zones. That's. Thank you. Vice-chair Neva Vaca. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Director Spencer for conversations about this. My concerns are really the kids coming from Edmond's L and Edmond's middle and the enormous conflict. Just as these beings with developing brains move on their bikes and move with their bodies down the street and up the street, that this is a huge conflict zone on this shared use path. So I appreciate your highlighting that this motion is really to look at the, the proposed curb-to-curb with and dealing with the parking that it's not about necessarily the final say on the separated and protected lanes. I do feel very strongly about the separated and protected lanes. I do hope that we can come up with a motion that would include that would really articulate evaluating all options to continue the eastbound dedicated separated, I'm sorry, I'm not going to protect it by facility on the blocks between Winooski and South Union. And that you will evaluate the, you know, to really spell out how we are going to reallocate the public right of way moving from the parking on the street to exploring other options to identify spot parking spots. There are, there are plenty, I did identify four on my bike ride today on Union Street in front of the old YMCA that are not metered that are being used. So if nothing else we should put meters there. So I found four spots today. I'll go and ride tomorrow and see if I can find a couple more. So I understand I don't want to, you know, beat this any further because I really understand you got the same emails that we did and we've been in conversation. So thank you for really working to maintain our great streets as one of my kids, I think, I think most of my family wrote in. Pablo, was that true? Is that for the dog? But as one of my kids, my oldest said to me, don't make this a not great street. Let's make it a great street. And this is a kid who spent her, you know, middle and high school, middle and elementary school years at Edmonts and is thankful for that. So yeah, we've even into minutes just before this meeting, not your family, other other community members have been still providing feedback around the shared use path. So we do have a proposed amendment and it's very wordy for the amended motion to be respectful to that. And if you want, I will read it if and when ready. Okay. Yeah, and this was developed in conversation with Commissioner O'Neill Vivonco and trying to get at some of the concerns that we have heard. Okay. So in addition to our City Council portion, which is to recommend the City Council approve the Great Street Main Street concept designs proposed curb to curb with the 40 feet reducing from an existing with a 50 to 70 and effectuating the conversion of on-street parking configuration from diagonal to parallel, it would be amended with strong guidance to evaluate all options to one continue eastbound dedicated separated and protected bike facility on the block between Winooski Avenue and Union Street to relocate any impacted parking spaces to other locations along the corridor adjacent to the corridor or removed as a last resort and three have DPW staff return to the Commission and City Council with updated plans later this year. I apologize. Not my favorite PDF program, but we can edit this live, so. Great. Thank you. Yeah, thank you for that. Mr. Overby. So people can hear me. I'm going to pull the mask down. I have communicated some concerns in advance just to make sure that everybody had something in writing and all the other commissioners also have that but for the I want to repeat a little bit of them for the sake of the public that hasn't read those materials if you're okay with that. I really have a concern that the the thing called an intersection evaluation matrix is not really adequate for making the determination of what the intersection should be on Main Street before we make a decision to approve this plan and I as you all know I'm very supportive of roundabouts as a safe intersection treatment but I think the objective way to deal with whether they should be signalized or four-way stop or roundabout is to actually objectively do the proper scoping and not a homemade intersection evaluation matrix. That's my my perception on this. So that's my recommendation and I do want to continue with what that would do is that would actually give us some numbers about metrics of what the delays are for different treatments at the intersections for the vehicles for the pedestrians for the bicyclists how long they queue up what the distances are motor vehicle energy and CO2 emissions projections on kind of injuries based on the history of the injuries in that intersection and also equity of treatment for different populations. So I'm just going to quickly read the recommendation that I have in writing so if somebody could get that online right now there are four intersections on Main Street which is being that we're talking about here that are in the the high crash zone in Vermont based on the 2012 2016 data. Number one high crash location is that Main Street and South Onouski intersection. The number 24 is the Main St. Paul intersection. Number 31 in the whole state of Vermont is the Main Street and Battery Street intersection and then 52nd in the you know state is the the highest crash location is Main Street and South Union. So we have four of them in the area that we're talking about doing a generational improvement on the street. So that's a concern that we really can't I don't think you can safely say we're going to do signalized intersections based on a intersection evaluation matrix which I'm not sure how where that comes from as far as the requirements of the structure but okay so there's a few reasons why I'm going to sell try to sell you on roundabouts. Number one roundabouts actually are 24-7 traffic calming. They create a safer intersection for pedestrians, for bicyclists, still facilitating smooth flow of traffic. The negotiation between the value is the negotiation between vehicles happens separately from the value with the intersection the interrelationship of vehicles with pedestrians and the reason that is is there you're slowed down you are able to maintain I get eye contact with another vehicle when you're entering as a vehicle and you're having eye contact with humans and bicyclists and people that are trying to get through that intersection. That's a very important factor that you don't get with stoplights with signalized intersection. Roundabouts actually also avoid forced greenhouse gas emissions which are caused by vehicles idling at the signals when their movement is prohibited even when there are no competing vehicles or pedestrians waiting to cross and what really I think one of the reasons this isn't a good thing either is that the intersection waiting experience that we've all had you're sitting at an intersection there's no cars coming in your you're in the car and there's no pedestrians whether you're pedestrian or car you really you know you almost want to just forget the signals and just go and and that's really an unsafe thing to be encouraging people to do that but that experience of you know intersection waiting and we all been there so okay compared to roundabouts the signals actually induce drivers to step on the gas when they see a yellow light and I'm you know I'm sure we've all seen that maybe we're all polite drivers but I see it all the time that's what causes accidents people step on the gas at a yellow signal so signalize things around about you don't have that the psychology isn't there to like oh I've got to get through this now on the yellow light and then then you have somebody getting t-boned so or hitting a hitting a hitting a pedestrian who's trying to cross at the cross side the roundabout compared to a roundabout a signalized intersection leaves pedestrians vulnerable to being hit by turning vehicles compared to a roundabout a signalized intersection leaves motorcyclists and scooter riders vulnerable to being hit while turning or being rear-ended while waiting to turn and that's really you know a really important thing to remember as well you can't get you can't avoid that with a signalized intersection it doesn't happen in a roundabout and finally the the other thing that I think we keep forgetting is yes maybe roundabouts are more complicated they're more expensive to get going in the first place but they are less expensive to maintain they don't require all the same electricity costs as a signalized thing does we'll have some lights maybe but not the same as lights signals and their mechanical repairs and equipment upgrades don't have to happen year after year which which happened with signalized intersections so those are the reasons why I really want a proper study of those at least those four dangerous intersections to be done so that you can confidently say the signalized intersection will not have the problems that seem to occur at all other signalized intersections there's some statistics about how many crashes have happened at all those intersections that were prepared by tony reddington who has obviously we all are familiar with probably tony who's done a lot of work on roundabouts and transportation things so there's also something that I have provided a few times to the public works department and the public works commission that relate to around about in athens ohio that that is similar to what we can see and it shows you the dimensions it shows you how it works smoothly it shows you how the pedestrian crossings are separated from the place where vehicles actually are entering around about so it's a really good way for people to visualize it and i'm really happy you guys like congratulations or you're working on the one at the shellburn uh street so that's going to help people also visualize that as well so there are other documents there that I posted thank you for you know listening to that but I really think that this is an important thing there's millions of dollars being spent what really needs to be done properly I don't want it to be rushed through I can't support this plan tonight because of the fact that it's not been uh carefully addressed what the intersections are going to be like and it doesn't feel right to me that we wait to find out what those will be um at some point in the future after you've already committed to a plan um it would just make it almost impossible or very difficult to to actually implement something like these safe roundabouts some of those dangerous intersections so that's my input thank you yep um I do want to respond to a few of those things and maybe propose some ideas but I do have up on the screen um it was some of the text from one of the emails that you sent as it related to to what you were asking for so I have that up for people to see there are a lot of the items that you mentioned that you felt like would be missing from the matrix that are being included it's just it's it's kind of an abbreviated function you know the operational analysis of ever of the intersections as a roundabout or as a signal is being done the queue links the delays those are all part of what will be available with the effort that the consultant is doing if there are items like the co2 emissions that we want to add in we can do that if that makes that more of a complete piece of information for for review and consideration of the commission the matrix is actually usually a part of a scoping study so it's not something that's you know we're we're making up to do in place of it's we are reducing down the scope of a scoping study to kind of the the content of the decision-making process the environmental and other impacts on the community are being done through NEPA so this project is going to go through federal review because it does have other grants so some of those other components that we are not asking to be done as part of the intersections is being done throughout the rest of the corridor which is why we felt this was an appropriate step but that's just to be able to to speak to that as it relates to why we are in front of everybody now at this point in the project the change from diagonal to parallel is going to be a significant change on the community and it's really two different directions that the project could take time to go in and it's it's challenging with our TIF funding and the limitations on time that come with being able to use those funds it's an opportunity that we don't want our community to lose to have such a significant investment in the downtown and so that's why we are asking our public bodies and our stakeholders to really help us with the feedback at this turning point as to whether we can move the parking from being diagonal to parallel and then continue on in our process there's still lots of design to do and we are still going to be engaging our community on a lot of different items on this and so i'm sorry to have to put something in front of you that you don't feel is is ready to be acted upon but it's it's an important step unfortunately for this one thank you uh Mr. Mutano hey uh thanks so much for coming back and addressing these like three um kind of big things so my first question is actually about what what is in it for the public works commission in the future so if we make this motion tonight um what other kinds of things would be would we be asked to act on um as this process moves forward is it actually changing any parking at all once those specifics are worked out um really what other kinds of opportunities will we have for input after tonight is my first question yep um so it's an interesting situation that this one is in the way that the regulations are written in appendix c is that it permits metered parking on basically each side of each block but doesn't necessarily say what type of parking it is where it's located how far from a corner is probably the best that that you get an appendix c so um knowing that that seems a little light on the regulation side you know that's why we are are certainly here tonight to talk about the parking loss what will happen in the future is as we as we come to this understanding um with the community after the the vote with the council um we will be working with businesses and other community members about the organization of the regulations on the street so where 15 minute parking is where accessible parking is how truck loading is organized um i can't even think of all the things that have been going through my head about the way that that appendix c would have to get updated but there's going to be a lot of different items trying to be a little bit more innovative with the way that the parking is arranged um in the corridor to try to help mitigate mitigate the parking loss there could also be changes um to the turning lane configurations although i don't think that that's a regulatory change but it's certainly information that we are going to have conversations about and that will come out of the intersection findings i would add just one thing that if there is a change from a signalized intersection to a roundabout that that also would need to be reflected in in appendix c so these regulatory changes once we do additional design and have that additional engagement with the public we will be coming back to you with specific changes in appendix c for your consideration and approval okay yeah that that is definitely great and i'm 100 in support of the separated dedicated bike lanes for the length of the entire corridor and i just want to like cycle back really quick to that top block at south union between south union and south monieski and the thing is that currently i don't think that there is parking on that south side of the street i if i'm not mistaken i was just looking at google street view but it's like a wider like breath of the street itself and there's like two lanes so sort of do you know what kind of went into the decision of putting in that parallel parking on that top block on the south side is it in a way to like make up for parking being lost elsewhere um or i just kind of want to know like in the process so far um what went into that decision yeah there should actually be um six spaces on that south side right now but they might be really faded in any street view that you're looking at uh huh yes yeah no i i do definitely see it now they are all all right yeah just like a little further down there all right closer to the union street side all right fantastic well i certainly look forward to digging into the details more um and i just want to like thank everyone um one more time i hope we could come to a resolution tonight um that kind of satisfies everyone and kind of sets a good a good path going forward so thank you thank you commissioner both thank you um so many of the questions and concerns i had uh going into this have been raised by previous commissioners um and i really appreciate what the department has done already to try and uh engage with the feedback um i recognize that it's a very uh obviously complicated technically politically culturally et cetera um i appreciated seeing both of the amended parts of the resolution i'm certainly satisfied for example with the the type of evaluation of the intersections that's being proposed um in terms of this this the shared use proposal and you know the kind of response that it's engendered and of course in addition to the the very vocal responses that we have seen not only from uh vice-chair o'neill vivanko's family but from many others as well including not only those um expressing one particular perspective but also you know the very real concerns around the loss of parking loading et cetera all of these other kinds of things for businesses along there i feel generally fairly uh comfortable with what has been proposed in terms of moving forward and the language and the amended emotion i was wondering if you could talk a little bit um to why some of these perspectives might have been missed in the you know what you've laid out as a fairly extensive public consultation process and i guess i was wondering about this in particular in the consultants focus groups because i mean what became kind of conspicuous in its absence is a lack of a focus group with for example um cyclists who might be i'm just thinking given the the kind of advocacy organizations we who have spoken up i was just wondering if some kind of attempt had been made to incorporate those sorts of perspectives into the design either previously or is that part of what's what's kind of going on now in terms of the businesses given what we've heard um as feedback the difference between businesses that are talking about um accessibility of customers others in terms of uh of loading and and unloading and things like this i'm just wondering kind of where this this goes from here because we could simply take here's here's a bunch of pro views here's a bunch of con views and how do we how do we actually sort through that as we move forward so i'm wondering in this kind of um in this process that you continue to outline for us um what do you kind of see as next steps in terms of incorporating some of these different views yep so to speak to the engagement um we have given presentations in front of the bike walk council um we were in front of i was in front of them twice talking about main street we've also had conversations at various different business groups the downtown action group the waterfront action group um where we've encountered local motion on a few occasions um so there's and and our community is is very full of uh of bike groups and oddly i think our mobility support group um had a majority were actually bikers um as uh as their preferred modes of transportation um with all except for the extreme years so extreme months of the season so i think the challenge with that is um in the early part of the concept we never proposed the shared use path the shared use path came as our survey data came in um throughout the corridor which was after our initial engagement recognizing the significance of the encroachments on that block of those homes and businesses um and the the concern that we're going to have to make choices to compromise what's there it's paired with the fact that we heard a lot of early engagement and still continue to hear concerns over the parking loss and so we asked our consultant to find a way their early concept showed no parking on the south side of of that block when they shared it with staff and we challenged them to find a way to still try to include a little bit of everything in some sort of compromised way um they proposed the shared use path as as one of those options so um so that's helpful i mean but it to some degree raises for me this kind of question that as we as we go through this process and in which we invite um you know the maximum amount of feedback that we can get and we ask for feedback from you know very different kinds of interests um when the consultants presented their plan and you know i i remember asking a few questions about how you put together the different kinds of focus groups and whatever it was also very clear that different different users of uh or different citizens in the city are going to have different kinds of needs priorities demands etc and what concerns me to some degree is that when we're responsive to those sometimes contested needs and try to arrive at compromises and then plans change that if it engenders the kind of pushback that we then get over a half a block of a city or a block of say whatever it is it makes it a very uh i mean makes it challenging for staff it makes it challenging for the department it makes it challenging to continue to move forward um and so i i'm wondering about you know this you know how we put forward what uh other members of the public have raised the idea of just transitions right like how do you actually make that idea of just transitions front and center so that it is not the appearance of one particular kind of vested interest that uh takes precedence over others i i don't know that you have an answer to this but i just want to express this as kind of a concern i think that what you have suggested here again offers us the ability to bring in different perspectives even in this kind of like okay we're going to keep looking at this but at some point when push comes to shove and we say like okay whose interests are going to be compromised um i don't know how we we take that next step uh i would you know what you've suggested in terms of the intersection analysis is i think really promising because it does um try and bring in as many factors as possible but i would say that in this particular cases as well we've had very vocal support of particular views but i think it's it's important to to try and incorporate uh as many of them as possible i'll leave it at that i am in support of these proposed amended motions thank you yeah you you raise a difficult point um and and what i've learned through some of these projects in our downtown is that usually the right design in the end is a bit of a compromise um i think that the the steps outlined in the proposed amended motion hopefully i mean we would do them as staff anyway but it writes it down as a commitment to the community that we will investigate the different ways to allow these uh the dedicated separated bike protected bike facility um it's fair chance to exist um and what that will mean looking at other priorities in the corridor as a way to to keep that feature um in many of our large projects uh the city council will ask you know we're going to approve this under this condition and that's very much what this feels like you know a lot of this feels pretty good but we do want to have you know a closer look at this and come back and and and see us about it so i think that and in a six block redesign of of the downtown having just a few homework items is actually still pretty good thank you just one comment on the um the evaluation matrix would be to make sure we're talking about level of service for home for all users that sort of traditionally the concept of level of service for uh for private vehicles might be the only purview there but i would emphasize that we look at level of service to pedestrians and people on foot and people on bike people in bus on transit as well i will also you know which one to emphasize what just such an exciting project and opportunities in front of us here and i agree with and want to emphasize the importance of getting out in front of um the you know the main curved changes in getting city councils approval to move forward with that to enable you know the next round of more detailed planning with your team with the consultant teams given the uh tight schedules we have on the opportunities to leverage the money to pay for all this so yeah i think it's i think it makes sense i know it's a it's a challenging process and i i believe we're just doing their due diligence with multiple opportunities for collecting feedback from multiple perspectives including ours like you know we've seen our Eric and getting a couple um chances to look at and talk about this item and i appreciate you're doing that with other other groups around the city as well so i just really thank you all for the work here i'm also want to emphasize the importance of making this great and to the extent providing a few compromises as we as we can in the safety and comfort of people moving about this corridor by all modes of transportation so i i'm certainly supportive of the proposed amended language uh in front of us here in terms of emphasizing the separate and dedicated like facilities leave it at that for now let's see i so open up to public comment at this time again i would ask that people are interested in speaking to you please keep your remarks brief to three minutes or less welcome your public comments now start with unmute myself here um happy to be hearing all about this um i want to say one thing to several of the comments i think there is a great danger to do your job which is to focus on making this a great street and i think that there's um there's there's such sense to not have one block different than the other in terms of traveling by foot or by bike obvious what i'd like you to consider is that we need a great city and what that means is that when you create great streets you take into account that you're making decisions say on parking and it looks like 67 could go to 73 and might get relocated and i hear that there's lots of visionaries who think maybe in 30 40 years the cars will be non-existent or they'll be floating or there'll be a whatever but um i'd like to see a condition that the recommended to the city council that they look to find and make sure there's excellent signage and and that's easily understandable by people in cars that they can find the parking that's within the couple three blocks of this major improvement to the city so it's not enough to have a great street we have to be thinking about a great city and from what i hear from some people on this panel or the consultants from the city there is ample space there's ample unused parking i've heard that specifically mentioned i would ask that there be more than a parking study but there be a commitment to make use of parking within reasonable distance of this great street so that we can have a great city that serves the churches the salvation army the burlington the burlington housing the chamber of commerce there are lots of reasons that people come downtown and it's not all about you know people shopping but there's a lot of services and there's a lot of important things that happen in a city that make it great and burlington has a lot of those assets and i think it's it's um it's less important whether it's 67 or 73 or 12 per block but do we have we really thought about people in cars as much as we've thought about some of these other important people and i like you know i think it's difficult to to take up the idea well in the november through march time period there might not be use of this and that but let's let's plan for uh let's plan for helping people see and find what they need thank you mr willer things and stuff you know hopefully you can hear me pretty well uh so a great discussion tonight i really appreciate all that i don't have just very uh a few points that kind of like the updates of the language and that we're really looking at the best options but i just want to remind everyone about induced demand um if you build for cars and you put 120 spots on main street you're gonna have 120 spots filled you put 90 you're gonna have 90 filled and so for me the difference between 90 and 86 is not like i don't think that's going to make that big of a difference but you know even if we need those four spots there's alternatives and as i mentioned on colchester have um we narrowed the green belt in some areas and to make it so that we could make stuff fit and i see there's a seven foot wide green belt on one side which you could narrow which i agree we want green belts and we want you know uh things for drainage which we could also put underneath the the sidewalks and underneath the ground um but unless the actual sidewalks bike lanes and road are functioning it doesn't matter what all the rest of it is right um people are getting injured there if people uh don't want to use it they're not going to go down to the parklet or whatever that's there and so we just have to keep that in mind and just think of this as a standard going forward for i would say when you ski have pearl street north ave pine street like things if we could make this standard all over the city that would be really amazing and you would reduce the demand on parking significantly and so we have to kind of get out of that mindset that we need to keep the current level of service for parking because if this is built and it's successful which it will be um the amount of people that will once in or need to park downtown will drastically decrease because if people felt they could safely bike downtown i bet you they would do it because it's amazing i park my bike on tert street directly in front of the building you know and you can't do that with a car you have to park and walk and so i just think think about what people will do once this is built and uh you know the number one functionality thing is to have each of the transportation modes functioning correctly and hopefully this is coupled with better public transit and it really makes a big difference uh so thank you tonight for the discussion i really appreciate it thank you hi everybody uh thanks for the presentation tonight thanks to the dpw staff for all your work on this for the commissioners to your attention on this and the great discussion um locomotion is very important this project generally we have been for for a long time um and for the most part i think these concepts look great uh as you know though we're definitely concerned about this shared use path designed between uh union and when you ski um we hear you that it's an attempt to compromise in this case i think it is definitely not a worthwhile compromise these are extremely low value parking spaces and the proposed shared use facility creates a very real physical danger to users and i do not think it's unrealistic to say that we would see injuries with this design we should never accept putting people in physical danger for parking and to do it for parking spaces that are never used is even worse um so i'm going to speak first about why this shared use path signs is problematic and then about why these parking spaces are of such a little value so shared use paths work great in some places right the riverside shares trading paths work great the waterfront path works great but this location is not right for our shared use paths one reason is volumes we see pretty high numbers of users on these streets and of course when the infrastructure is improved when there's a nice green bell with shade those volumes are going to increase dramatically and that's especially true with edmund school there when that gets out as uh commissioner revanco mentioned um or commissioner neil mentioned there there is a lot of traffic a lot of kids they move unpredictably and it's not going to be pretty seen uh on that path the the major the sort of background issue here is the slope right it's a pretty steep street and that means that you're going to have high differential and user speeds with folks on bikes potentially using that path to go west since it's a shared use path and that means they're going to be mixing with folks going much slower uphill and potentially having to pass people walking all at the same time so that's pretty chaotic and you mix that slope and the speed with the fact that this is a constrained space as has been mentioned it's very close to the properties there we're going to have rocks and trees this is not like the waterfront where you would have grass on either side and open areas where folks can you know run off the path if they need to so i i do think we would see injuries on this facility and and that would be a real shame um i do also want to say that our concern about the shared use path is really not about the quality of bike facilities you know over and over again we've heard that we want to prioritize people walking in this project that's what the community has said that's what the city has said in its presentation this shared use path really puts people walking last um it means that you know people walking those with disabilities are are you know going to have to be sort of on their toes all the time watching three people on bikes going up hill and downhill navigating and folks with disabilities who don't have the ability to maybe maneuver as quickly as many others in our community are going to be especially challenged in that risk so why are these parking spaces such low value you know as as for during this meeting people don't even know if there's parking there mr weathers you're at time could i ask you to conclude your remarks absolutely yes these are on the eastbound side of the street on the way out of town so white people don't park there they're far from the downtown core and so they're going to do very little to address the perception of a parking shortage in town so thanks for your work on this um i think it's a good motion i hope we can get this resolved thank you so this is uh from the ownership of north star sports jp casino and uh i think others we appreciate the efforts of this we appreciate the efforts the city is making in updating its infrastructure however we are greatly concerned about our customer's ability to access our business for both sales and service as e-bikes continue to grow in the marketplace it is essential that riders have access to both sales and service many of our customers come from out of town and are of retirement age it has only been in the last few years that we have seen that demographic drop or change as we look forward to net zero emissions it is imperative that the repair of these products be recognized as essential to move forward with meeting these goals individuals cannot carry e-bikes and others that are in need of repair the carrying weight of any bicycle in disrepair is simply not achievable for most individuals we spend a great deal of our time loading and unloading bicycles from the back of cars of course individuals will walk several blocks to purchase an item but not when the item or product cannot be carried in a bag or the weight is significant we ask parking not be reduced on main street so that all individuals have access to both sales and service please reach out to the businesses who are located on main street we all have specific needs some of us have chosen our locations based on those needs we hope that those needs are considered when addressing the design of the street specifically parking thank you for listening to our concerns all right thank you at this time there's no one else all right so yes you know there's no vote warrants on this item there's not we're not looking at regulatory changes at this time uh the department is planning to go to city council on monday with a request to give the go ahead on some of the main design and curb with changes and are requesting our the commission support we're lack thereof on that i would welcome a motion if it's on client i'd like to sorry jim i'd like to make a motion to approve the proposed amended motion that includes the guidance to evaluate the options for the eastbound dedicated separate and protected bike lane facilities and relocate any impacted parking spaces and have dpw return to the commission and city council with updated plans later this year do is this additional piece underneath that included in that proposed that's for you guys to decide so just i just provide i'm sorry i hate this pdf okay um this is the scroll in the paragraph yeah that that commissioner over v had provided yes and then to include a proper scoping study to be performed to identify the safest most functional functionally efficient most environmentally sound and most long-term cost-effective intersections for main street and this generate generally generational redesign and rebuild of main street so both of those amendments included into the amended does that there's a gap there in uh in in the motion that's yes so basically to include my amendment and commissioner overby's amendment i'd like to make that motion all right so we have a motion from voice chair new evakko it's been seconded from commissioner bar is there any discussion around that motion i just have a question so you're just proposing that you're going to be doing this after the fact of approving the plan sorry i was trying to that's okay i know i was i misunderstood what was the so you are proposing from your the modification of the proposal that you're going to do the proper scoping after all of the other commitments have been made for the other design elements i think that doing scoping as we would do you know ahead of a project starting is challenging at this point and i would consider an amendment to the proposed amended motion um the intersections can be reviewed and are being reviewed any project does the operational analysis of the intersections often in this phase of the work we are considering whether this is signalized or roundabout at this phase so our consultants will work on a lot of the other features that are necessary on the road we have water sewer utilities storm water things like that there's work to be there's lots of work to be done while they complete this evaluation this matrix is what would lead us to the decision saying we need to hold and really look at the roundabouts if that's the direction and the recommendation that comes out of this consideration um or it would say we would proceed forward with the signalized intersections and then they would work to complete the design with the the middle parts of the corridor that they have been they would have been working on yeah i i think i'm just not comfortable that that information shouldn't have been made available as part of the decision making now because um everything i heard at all of the public sessions when i asked that question about whether there was going to be a consideration of roundabouts as well because it was a signalized decisions that were pretty much in the in the mix so i i appreciate your trying to come up with language that feels feels good and maybe sounds like it's going to uh result in a reconsideration of this but i feel like it's just going to be a lot locked in by this decision of approving the plan and um and i'm not comfortable with that i i would rather actually have something where there's a specific plan to deal with those particularly those four dangerous intersections so that's just me that's just my i appreciate your you're making a great effort to uh you know make it seem like you're going to address these things but then what happens if uh basically what seems like it's already happened in the past the roundabouts are not favored due to the amount of effort that they take in up front in burlington it just isn't it isn't the culture of innovation that we advertise um and so i appreciate you're making the effort i don't think it's kind of it's going to get me over the over the decision to not support this as it is not not enough information a commitment to those safety safer intersections so thank you good any other discussion or on the motions the phone mr motano commissioner bows no comments i heard you say was that putting in there a proper scoping study should be performed at this juncture is likely not it's probably not the right word um the evaluation matrix could consider all of the other items that uh commissioner over be listed but i would maybe name it as the evaluation matrix which is the scope item that the consultant is working on to say a proper evaluation matrix that the intersection evaluation matrix also include i guess can i make a friendly amendment if i've already seconded i'm not sure i understand robert's word or that way to the point there would we want it to be addressed and addressing it in a scoping study is likely in the whole juncture thing is not realistic it's it's not the where we are with the design it's not the right way to describe the work that's being talked about okay my understanding of robert's rules is that if the motioner and the seconder both agree that it's friendly that it can uh stand and that people can vote to approve or to oppose the adjusted amendment overall you could also have the chair choose to vote if somebody could ask the chair to vote specifically on the amendment which would be to change the language in that section four and then you could vote that amendment either up or down so it's the chair's prerogative if it's friendly to the motion in the seconder friendly to us in motioning second so so i'm open to it i think it makes sense in this case so it's like this the adjusted language is in front of us now saying the intersection evaluation matrix also include just confirming that that language is friendly to the also include identifying the safest most functionally efficient yeah so just change to identify to identify include identifying the safest instead of to identify it's identifying yep that makes sense yep a little grammar tweak this is why i'm an engineer i apologize even the best of us would be tough i could make it smaller so no one else can see it that sounds like an engineer i think it's also to include no intersection evaluation matrix also to include identifying yes also how about just include sure options to boom boom boom the intersection matrix i'm still friendly i'm i'm very i'm friendly to the adjustments of the proposed amended amended to the third degree grammatically amended dramatically amended all right i'm just going to read through make sure we got it i understand it's this adjustment's friendly to those and then i'll take a last we're saying recommend the city council approved gray streets main street concept designs proposed curb to curb with the 40 feet reducing from an existing width of 50 to 70 feet and effectuating the conversion of the on street parking configuration from diagonal to parallel that was our language from public works from the commission is tacking on with strong guidance to evaluate all options to one continue these bound dedicated separated and protected bike facility on the block between manuski avenue and union street two relocate any impacted parking spaces to other locations along the corridor adjacent to the corridor were removed as the last resort and three of dpw staff returned to the commission and city council with updated plans later this year for the intersection evaluation matrix include identifying the safest most functionally efficient most environmentally sound most long-term cost-effective intersections for main street in this generational redesign rebuild of the main street all right going good about it the adjustments here are friendly to the motion here in the seconder yes is there any other discussion around this motion i have a question my understanding is that the term scoping study is the term of art in the transportation design and engineering so i'm using that term not as a transportation engineer but in the term that is understood by people that do this sort of work in this sort of a major kind of redevelopment so i'm i'm i'm thinking that this is to make it so that you're you're basically saying you're going to do the abbreviated local version of some sort of evaluation of these elements is that correct you're not using the the scoping study in the context of what transportation engineers normally use when making a decision about a corridor with intersections we are using so the scoping study you were correct it is an engineering term to define kind of a typical body of work you would find like v-trans or the ccrpc have kind of a set different tasks that a consultant or a municipality would complete to complete what is defined as a scoping study scoping studies are used for the next step as it relates to procuring federal grants and so there are minimum requirements that have to go into what is defined as scoping to be qualified as scoping to kind of sometimes meet those next steps what we're pulling out is is the technical side as it relates to the operational functional safety portions of the intersection the other things that would have gone into scoping like you mentioned in your email some of the other environmental considerations the environmental impacts of what this footprint might be there are resource reviews which are being done through other portions of this design project for the whole corridor and not just for the intersections and so you know we're we're really just asking let us take the technical look and bring you that those details but and and why were the consultants that have been working on this not told to do a scoping study level effort on the corridor and these intersections much of the portions of the network have had various different studies at different points in time which led us early in the process to thinking that the signalized intersections would be the direction that we would go the outreach your outreach the outreach and feedback that we received from our residents had questioned why the intersections were not being fully evaluated and so we've added that scope to our consultants work it wasn't in their original procurement this is in response to public feedback their findings are not a foregone conclusion so we are looking at re-looking at and continuing to evaluate what these intersections look like as we now work towards a better understanding of what the corridor is the priorities that our community wants as it relates to the facilities for pedestrians by school transits and vehicles and that'll add to the intersection review and and and why was that it not provided to the consultants that these were some of the mayor hogan please call the question please call the question there's been a motion put on the floor and it has been seconded and we have heard this particular set of concerns raised several times i would like the question called for a vote so the chair if a call question needs a two-thirds majority to move to a vote into table conversation so there would need to be a vote on calling the question and if there's a two-thirds majority then the vote would would it would go to a vote without further discussion sure is that a question on the procedure i'm i'm just mostly finished i just wanted to ask why they were not told to consider the intersections that were very high crash locations as before now but i'm fine calling the question and if there's there's no further conversation at the commission the commission could just go to a vote let's go to a vote uh start on the phone please uh commissioner muntenu hi thank you commissioner bows i commissioner bar hi commissioner overby no vice chair neil babanco i i for myself motion passes five two one thank you for that thank you and we will see you again yeah we'll see you soon all rights moving forward item six on our agenda bsd school travel plan great we have public works engineer philip peterson here and i am excited to also introduce and we also have julia ursaki who is our new transportation engineer who uh filling a new position for us this is really an exciting opportunity for us to expand our capacity in what we understand to be a commission priority and the council priority to better redesign our transportation systems for the future so thank you julie welcome thank you and i've asked philip to be expeditious given we know you also have review and executive session tonight so yes we'll keep things moving keep it brief serendipitous that we're discussing the burlington school district travel plan with julia because julia was the person who wrote it yes so before i came to the city i worked for du bois and king and had the privilege of working on this travel plan with folks from the city and the ccrpc so i was the author of the travel plan itself so it's great and i'm very excited to work with her more directly on it and we're happy to discuss it so i did present uh before we collected data and before we move forward about a year ago april of last year and so we're going to get right into it um the draft plan is published this particular presentation is also published on the agenda webpage so all these links are available to the public and it's been published for a while uh june 3rd is going to be the last day for comments and so that's kind of the plan for that so basically just to give the 10 000 foot overview the bst trial plan is broken up into five different sections the introduction recommendations which is really the the meat and potatoes of what dpw would be uh concerned with uh community engagement travel plans which is part of the recommendations and then there's the appendix and for the community engagement julia you want to talk a little bit about thing sure i will so um the community engagement we did for the travel plan were a few different efforts we did online surveys a separate one for the k through eight uh cohort and then another one for the high school and then we did walk audits also in two forms the project team led walk audits for every campus and we also created a di y walk audit tool that parents could submit um different um issues they encountered as they're walking their kids to school take a picture and take a picture and upload it and send it directly to us um the project team also interviewed the principals at all 10 of the schools that were part of this travel plan and so all of that input is what fed the many recommendations that are part of this plan this is what we're really here for and that's the recommendations as chappan uh described in the interest of time and efficiency this is what we're going to focus on and this the recommendations section is really what's going to inform future dpw projects so basically the sections and the recommendations part are broken up into four different categories transit related which is school district and gmt led efforts crossing guards which used to be just public works but what we're hoping to do is to utilize the school district as well so it'll be a combined effort and then infrastructure which is broken up into two other categories public works which is right-of-way infrastructure and then on campus infrastructure which is school district led and then programming which is school district led so we had several transit related recommendations as Philip mentioned these are led by the school and gmt one of them is to establish quarterly meetings between the school and the transit center the biggest issue that we saw was that gmt created their four month schedule in april and the school didn't decide what hours the schools would go until june so they had that disconnect on when students would actually be going in and out of school and when buses would be scheduled to be there we the other big issue for gmt was behavioral issues on buses the gmt policy is to kind of kick off whoever is passing an issue on the bus which obviously doesn't work for school-aged children writing on the bus so our recommendation there was to have bsd work with gmt to address behavioral issues specific to kids on the bus and possibly even create a position for staff to ride on some of the school tripper routes if not every day some days to help establish expectations for students gmt staff are not trained to work on behavioral issues bsd staff are similarly with crossing guards one suggestion that we had that seems like a pretty good one is a dual school district positions para educators could work as crossing guards they come work early they do their crossing guard work they go do their school duties in the afternoon they go they do their crossing guard duties and perhaps they have an app school program that they go into crossing guards aren't necessarily trained to deal with behavioral issues just like gmt bus drivers aren't necessarily trained but para educators are so this is an opportunity and the school district seems interested in that also better communication between the school district and dpw around crossing guard requests and making sure that we're monitoring those high priority intersections to ensure that consistent crossing guards are there this is it this is the meat and potatoes of everything so there are a lot of recommendations a lot of infrastructure specific recommendations in the report and we can only kind of touch on a handful of them tonight but i would definitely encourage whoever's interested to review the report the link at the beginning of this presentation the main categories of infrastructure recommendations are up there but we'll talk through each one on a separate slide and pick it off with shared use paths so we know there's one in shiflity park under way that arcson rick is working on to connect cp smith and hunt another recommendation that we had is looking um at the path that connects the 127 bike path to north av for better connectivity to bhs and finally looking at the path on the champlain elementary campus that connects to birch cliff also looked at bicycle improvements and there's a variety of things that we can do now and some other things that we can do later one project that we're looking at right now saw it in the consent agenda platzberg av is part of the cy 22 street reconstruction program and we're trying to take advantage of the situation and possibly put in some bike lanes on platzberg av so combining current efforts with you know what we want to do and then there's other opportunities to look at then maybe a little bit more long-term planning greenways on goss barrington and hindberg um and then you also talked about accessible bike options in other areas like uh forget um on ethan elin parkway something that's a little more safer elementary age students especially during pickup and drop-off which is really chaotic in front of cp smith and then also looking at options for south union street near edmunds for students um getting in and out of campus another uh similar to bike improvements is intersection and crossing improvements there's really low end fixes like changing out signs improving uh installing fluorescent yellow green school crosswalk signs um other smaller improvements maybe removing parking on rose street north street to improve sightline conditions those are things that we can do right away pretty much um and then there's other things that are proposed through plan btv walk bike raised intersections things that are going to take a little bit more time and our cost prohibitive so those are things that we'll have to look at a lot a lot of things to look into okay multimortal corridor improvements are another kind of bigger longer-term recommendation that we had two in particular that were identified for the study are archibald street and shellburn street so looking at making those two not just one place but the entire corridor more accessible for people to cross the street ride their bike um and get to school safely right some new sidewalks um some suggestions for new sidewalks the north side of star farm road um the east side of ethanallan parkway between ira lane and the trail entrance other beefier projects vestave and morgan all grid and pennington cottage grove waldo and practicing uh green acres and cross so there are some opportunities to take advantage of some new sidewalks so a couple new crosswalks recommended as part of this study again to help students get to school in more safe and convenient way um adding a crosswalk on the southern leg of the shore north avan hindberg intersection um also a crosswalk at the intersection of walnut and willow which is near the integrated arts academy we saw a lot of students crossing there um and then finally a midblock crossing of pearl street at williams street there's not another crossing there within i think a thousand feet there are some uh on-campus improvements that the school district will have to take the lead on these are just two suggestions once again i encourage you to read through the entire plan um so one is example is flinn we will improve one-way signage and add one-way arrow pavement markings at the school circle uh another is with edmunds um create a policy to just dismiss students at the rear entrance onto maple streets um and that we would be designating some vehicle loading zones maybe even adding some new parking zones that could be kind of limited these are all things that we'll have to look at um once the school district kind of gets their policies in order and and how they want to handle that how we can support them they're just a handful of recommendations for moving um gmt bus stops near schools to locations that will make it easier for people for students to get off the bus and make it to campus one is on north av front of bhs um another one is also on north av near um hunt middle school and those will take some coordination with gmt and obviously this one has a shelter and moving that will be a bit more costly and long term long term um so a little bit more of a bold recommendation you actually described this a lot better earlier than i did um is uh creating a possible one way that could be um temporary there's a school in wunewski uh st xavier that has a temporary time limited one-way situation um we can look at that and um possibly engage the ccrpc jayson's arrests but the ccrpc has joined us um and they can help in looking at uh perhaps a demonstration project um review parking signage on main between willard and union i know there's some crossing situations there on willow that discussed earlier that are of concern as well so uh once again um the draft recommendation or the draft plan is on the ccrp website at this link and june 3rd is our last day for comments so encourage folks to take a look at that and anyone in the public can do that as well i'm not sure when the school district is presenting this to the school board um but they they do have it published on their website as well so what's the next steps we are going to get together as a team review those public comments develop final report i'll probably bring it back here to the commission so that folks kind of know what what the plan is uh there will probably be opportunities for other studies and those can be supported by the ccrpc's uh u p w p with the city and that'll lead to some final plans probably some traffic regulation changes and several potential construction projects and will be time and resource hopefully we're fast enough to do we go faster thank you questions all right thank you for that yeah again to uh fellow commissioners we are not seeking action on this at this time minor to all comments by june 3rd we'll cycle through our commissioners and see if we have any quick reactions at this point commissioner mutano well thank you everyone um i think this is an awesome report and i look forward to digging in a little bit more i was just looking through it very briefly now kind of picking out some things that i found interesting and something that i was hoping would you know that did come up but like the the concern of like winter like i was just looking at one survey like looking at mode usage between fall winter and then spring and unsurprisingly whereas a good chunk of the burlington public schools body bikes to school in fall and spring it's essentially absent in the winter so does the report go into any specific recommendations about maintenance of these paths and everything that essentially that is proposing to be done in order to make biking and walking a better way of navigating to school um in all seasons um so folks aren't driving and you know we don't need to take more of those actions regarding to regarding like the road itself um to keep kids safe but really keeping kids safe by making a method that that works in in all conditions right you make an excellent point at this is the stage of the game and no we would want to engage our snow removal team um in terms of what plans we want to do you know i i have attended the word winter cycling congress so i'm super interested in winter cycling and it is something that's very possible to do um and and there are techniques out there and we'll definitely be looking at those things when when the time is right thank you that was it for me all right thank you commissioner bows yeah this is really interesting i'm also looking forward to digging into it a little bit more could you just explain one thing i i perhaps i missed it in your presentation could you just explain what you meant by the longer term um sort of planning around the bus stops he used a couple of examples could you just explain sorry what what is the change that is proposed with the bus stops so the the one near bhs is to move it closer to the intersection of instituted road in north um and then the one near hunt middle school is to move it right now it's um in front of someone's yard and when it's raining kids will congregate and actually go under their porch right next to their front door so we heard that from the principal they've had a lot of dialogue we're posing to move it um just just one one down yeah one down and so in in moving those structures you're talking about just to move the structure is it a rebuild or is it it's a simple move sorry okay it's just a sign but the one of bhs is the whole structure okay great all right that that's it i'm really really um eager to kind of dig into this a bit more so thank you for this thank you commissioner overby i'm i'm happy to that the the department of public works is working on this as well and i'd look forward to looking at the material in there so i got a good overview but i feel like i need to read the the the proposal before i have any comments further but i appreciate you're doing the work on this it's sort of interesting that public works is doing that working with the school you might not have thought that this you would have thought the schools would have been leading the charge on that but it's great to know that this is going on thanks all right thank you commissioner bar thank you um i'm especially pleased with the collaboration as we just talked about with dpw and gmt and dsd and working all of these things together because to me transportation is just as important as the parking is as important as as maintaining our streets and i'm very excited about us looking at ways to help students get to their campuses safer and the ideas of moving bus stops and creating better shared paths and connecting the 127 i'm very excited about that one because i get that one but it was myself so i'll be looking forward to doing that but very good thank you nice chair on the evo vodka okay my last kid i've got one more year at edmunds middle i pray that some of this will actually be in in effect especially you know looking at at south union street um i think Chapin were you even on maybe you were still on local motion when i started to impale myself on signs on union street i don't know um so good work and i think this is this you know interesting um collaboration because when i was um on the pto it was well that's um physical plant well no that's the city that's this so this collaboration i think is really important and to bring dmt on board as well is great um as you said that the we know when i saw that this the comments are they close on june third so i have so many emails from the school from two schools from bhs and from edmunds middle and i'm gonna ask other burlington school district parents here did you get any notification about this i just found it this just like it was posted just last week on the bsd the bsd website not so for the whole thing but i haven't gotten any notices from the schools so maybe this goes to to jason i don't know um or to you to communicate to all of the schools that this needs to be in their newsletter so parents because otherwise it's buried in here yeah to go look for it it'd be completely transparent with that the school district has had some turnover um with positions so the gentleman that i was working with smarty i know i know oh yeah yes no so i recognize that but but i but i was like oh my god i call i got caught flat-footed um so i think um and again i don't know if it would be jason or you to make sure that the schools push this out because this is really great rich information um and i would love the idea of um having every um every bus stop by one of our schools that we have it has a shelter i mean give our kids some dignity um that they're running on some person's porch to stay dry what what did what more information do we need and now that we need a shelter um so i love that you're digging into this and thank you look forward to you know more of this thank you look forward to plenty of uh comments from us let's we get uh get through this document i started reading it but um plenty more to go a couple quick reactions i would suggest um in your list of there's a a table in there about the bus service it's focused on the school trip routes and you know what times they arrive or depart relative to first bell and so forth i stress also including the um the general non-school trip or buses as well uh i gave an example route six goes right past admins that's uh the one that i take my kids on when i take the bus one of the modes of transportation we we used to get there and it's mattered when that that service has been switched around and thinned out and then hopefully going back from gmt it used to be that it we were way early in elementary school but middle school was probably right on time now we're probably pretty close to ideal time for the elementary school but the middle school might be a smidgellade if they're on that but listen it's a fine option and there are routes all over the place going past all our schools in addition to these um i guess towards that end for every picture like this with those buses on the curb probably have five pictures on my phone of those buses they can't reach the curb because there are private vehicles hogging the curb there i think our work on the signage that's there is not done and the um procedures it's nothing the messaging really needs to be there from the school then i will get that in my comments that's in this document is well but for instance as of the last time i looked a couple weeks ago the parent handbook for the middle school edmunds middle school still encouraging people to drop off on union street for example there that's the bus um and the signage hasn't changed that formal messaging from the school hasn't changed that in the edmunds elementary i don't know if this has changed recently but last i looked there wasn't a dedicated parent handbook with like edmunds specific procedures i couldn't find that anymore on their website it was sort of a general district-wide elementary school handle something to sort of keep in mind in the the messaging and all of this of what's recommended what's accepted in public works as a role in sort of the signage and regulations to support that as well question can you remember like when the walk bike audits were being recommended or solicited when was that in this process that was in the beginning which i think was november of 2020 yeah gotcha okay certainly i'll second what vice-chair o'neill vancoe said about communicating that this draft is out there and and open for comments for the next couple weeks as well um it's a busy time with school communications but we'd love to see this in there somewhere in the queue of things i think that oh i guess one of the things um i just tossed out there publicly for for the record here's i'd recommend looking at and trying to pursue catmah membership for the school district right so kama lists the city as a member but i think the school district is such a unique entity within the city of berlington sort of employees overall it's sort of a worth its separate treatment from um in partnership with kama on that not only because it's probably if you flip through the you know the pages of our city review the school district has more pages of employees than the other department and they're also sort of stewards for these centers of population that they come and go so not only like the numbers of staff on the faculty staff on payroll but like the stewards of howl thousands and thousands of students come and go yeah i would emphasize sort of working in in plugging travel demand demand management tdm stuff with the school district of planning that seed there and encouraging so all to be thinking about options for for how we get around and that's definitely the school district led and that that would be probably in the programming section yeah there is a whole programming section that we actually forgot to touch on about just yeah different programs that each school can provide to get more people walking and biking stuff and some schools are more yeah aggressive and assertive with those and others that was actually an issue that we identified as almost an equity issue because um schools with like really active parent volunteers who can lead those initiatives had better programming than those that didn't that's correct okay yeah that's all i've got for now put this in my queue for reading over the next couple weeks but thanks so much for the the uh the walkthrough tonight thank you while while we're on it let's just check and see if we have any public comments on this item of course as we warned it on our agenda here mr goulding do we have anyone on the phone interested in speaking at public comment here thank you once going twice all right we will close item six thank you so much thank you for the presentation thanks moving forward item seven marketplace garage assessments all right and i told this team to be even quicker uh we know we don't have an agenda item here but i am really uh also excited to introduce another fabulous member of our team who hasn't been here tonight matt that's patrick so who is stewarding a really great renaissance in our physical plant in our garages so welcome jeff padgett and matt yeah so uh jeff padgett dividend director for parking traffic and i will be quick both of these slides i know you guys got them in your packet nothing really changed date changed but that's not a moment along the short of it is i wanted to make everybody aware of the major upcoming renovations to marketplace garage it is aging it is 50 years old and it has worked hard in 2014 there was a number of planning studies done engineering studies by oil tanner between 15 and 18 a number of those improvements were made but it got to a point where the next sort of step of improvements was a shutting the whole garage down which was untenable then we got into covid and then we brought them in we brought oil tanner and again in uh 2020 to 2019 2020 to assess okay what can we do sort of a short term bandaid to get us the next three to five years so we can begin this planning process of what's the next vision of the marketplace garage so that's where we're at now and this is basically what we're doing we're repairing beams we're patching decks we're fixing spaul the sort of most visible thing that's happening is the brick facade on the western face is actively decay and we're really concerned about it and we've been trying to find contractors to come in and fix it but it's too big for the small ones and too small for the big ones so we wrapped it into this structural project so hopefully we can get a contract come in and do this whole suite of of work and this work is only gonna consume up to 80 spaces in the garage which is a significant number of spaces out of 350 or so spaces but the garage stays open so this is basically a timeline it's out to bid uh tomorrow this week Friday Friday um so we're getting bids back right around your next before the next public works commission meeting who want to be sure you guys are aware of what's going on with this because we'll be going to for the finance getting approval this is gonna be and oh then we're hoping you know some sometime between July and October to get this thing built out you know count on the busiest weekend possible it will be in there but this is major this is half a million dollars for the work so they're gonna work in with the ct office to set up you know the financing over time but it's gonna be another burden on our already taxed garage operations but necessary to keep it alive so anyway so this gets us to a point where we can make a start to make a decision next three to five years about do we pour more money into this facility and keep it going do we tear it down and build a new facility what makes the most sense for the community so those are the basic questions we need to address that's it that's the longest short of it is we got an old we got an old car do we put do we put new exhaust system in or do we try to get you know that's sort of it's very very expensive you know the reap the rebuild is probably 20 million dollars but at this point we're looking at nearly that is ongoing so we're at a really interesting challenge and mass done a great job he's picked this up he's working with the consultants and putting the docs out and you know manage the whole thing great thank you for that check my fellow commissioners here speaking comments or questions on this one I think it's a long time coming it's going to be a different decision when it was built so many years ago it was probably built at a time when things are different I know that's not up for discussion necessarily right now what what the future is going to hold but I think it's a good plan to at least make it safe because safety is going to be the key you don't want to make the city liable for somebody to come shopping somebody come downtown and do something and then go in there and have it fall on them they'd rather have no parking than to have parking in the freshest car all right thank you to the phone commissioner mutano no comments this was a really good presentation and I understand that this is like totally critical work like the age of the parking garage structure is like quite clear and it's it's a lot you know it's like the first thing that people see when they're visiting the city um and sort of like coming in with that idea that like oh man you know not really being like watched out for when I could actually see sort of the damage here um it is something so I definitely think this work is critical um but like looking forward uh beyond this right it's kind of like you know what what do we want to look what should this facility look like in the future and how is it accessible for people who don't have cars how do we make it a place where we're welcoming people into the downtown core and they could drop off whatever mode of transportation they have and then they could they could go on so certainly there's a lot to look forward to in the future but I think this is a very important contract so thank you for all this work all right thank you commissioner bows yeah no no real comments from me either this is uh compelling and sobering so thank you for this work indeed thank you commissioner overby my second commissioner bows's comment it's compelling and daunting and I appreciate your just going forward and helping to make it happen so I expect it to be a lot of work and thank you for starting the process vice-chair on the other side um yeah no I think definitely this three to five year um you know piece of of getting the garage at least to a more suitable state and then evaluating um what's next I look forward to that discussion so go for it thank you for stewarding this I do want to make it clear and we're talking about a three to five year horizon but we do have money in the budget for fiscal 22 that I've got to present tomorrow specifically for beginning the planning process so we're not waiting three to five years to get going on this oh yeah we got any in the budget to start thinking like that that's great yeah because once we get the school uh thank you um so to clarify what you just said in your f523 budget proposal we're putting in some planning for this process in the meantime I'll be all engineering but to get the public outreach get some comments about how that what's the highest best use of that space scoping in this this roughly half a million that we're talking about here for like near term sort of has to happen stuff is that plan based on the the timing of that is that plan to be spent next next year that we hope to get this construction done by okay now ish yeah that's right you're posting the bid yeah we got to go now all right do it all right thank you for the yeah thank you for the update thank you great thank you um just check real quick make sure there's any uh anyone interested in public comment on this item before we officially close it out all right you're clear welcome and thank you matt thank you thank you assistant director badger all right it's moving forward to director's reports all right uh I'll be quick so uh every year commission terms end and applications for new folks to participate in this uh fabulous commission uh present itself we do have uh two openings for this coming round so we want to encourage members of the public if you're interested in serving on the public works commission that applications are due this Friday um we've talked about main street I've provided an update on the Champlain Parkway in here and an update on a chlorination incident that we had on April 28th where we briefly introduced higher than normal chlorine levels into our distribution system we have done after action uh report after incident report and we are uh still working through a number of issues at the water plant specifically related to our SCADA system and making sure that that is operating normally as it should uh Nicole Losh our senior planner has moved to another position within the city as hard as it is to say she is as a grants director at the Colleague Treasurer's Office is going to be working to secure federal dollars and other grant funding for our work and all of the city work so we want to thank her for her tremendous work over 15 years for our department achieving many many successes and wish her great success at the CT office we've had a number of meetings with her this week and uh are continuing that collaboration in a different fashion uh we talked a lot about the construction season having started Rob has worked with the teams to update the construction portal it's been a very valuable communications tool for us already feel free to reach out with any questions and refer members of the public to that resource and you will also see just in conclusion that uh is part of our annual review for the city engineer and myself we've put together a status update on our 22 work plan last summer with you all we laid out what our priorities were we've told you how we're progressing with those priorities which in many ways is quite successful and uh hopefully that's helpful for your review and with that i'll answer any questions in the next section all right thank you for that go to commissioner communications here start uh on the phone commissioner mutano no comments thank you all right commissioner bows nothing from me thank you all right commissioner overby check your microphone oh thank you very much i just had two questions about the director's report um there was a mention on of the intervale road path grant for a million dollars uh i know the intervale road has been worked on and planned for what's what's what is can you is there any more information than that that you have uh the the plan yet is to install a shared use path on the west side of intervale road from the top from riverside avenue down to the end of the paved section and there is some additional stormwater work that we're looking to tie in and the state is planning and improvement of the crossing the railroad crossing itself so that will be we'll work to coordinate that work and as you all know there's also some significant pavement deterioration on the corridor and so we will either be looking at a significant patching or uh repaying in the coming years your uh the page i was referring to is on that pedestrian safety and injury data slide it says we recently secured a one million dollar grant for an intervale road path yep and a 300 thousand dollar grant for pennie lane path i just know i have the pennie lane path was what you're asking about well it no i'm asking about the the intervale road specifically that with that one million dollars so we've gotten one million dollars toward the work on that path correct okay that i was just that that's been a few people have been contacting me about that because it's so heavily used for people to get down to the gardens and that railroad intersect you know it's it's not a good shape road so that that's great that there's a million yeah yeah we are very excited about that work as well toward that so congratulations on that the diagram that's right next to that has something about activity by year pedestrian safety and injury data i cannot understand those numbers maybe there's something that i should ask you separately but it looks like a great little downward spiral but you know what are those numbers commissioner over you're referring to pedestrian safety and injury data exactly yeah i had that chart in there of how pedestrian safety efforts are going into city i've been getting a lot of that feedback online specifically so one of the things i was trying to do you referenced the intervale uh brands i tried to capture some of the things some of the big things i've been working on to kind of capture the efforts that the department's undertaken in addition i the vpd data dashboard which you can find on their website i tried to pull where the uh using help from others in the department where injury uh injuries related to crash crash for trending in the city they appear to be trending down even if crashes uh have generally helped steady at some of the intersections injuries have gone down that are associated with crash uh just a data point i wanted to share with the public if it were to come up it didn't make it in the presentation that i think you thought worked to increase but it was in the uh overall presentation that's why we included it in this uh so these are just these are just pedestrian injuries uh that have gone from whatever 147 in uh 2012 down to 29 in 2022 29 year today yeah i i i'll look at it i just couldn't understand what this was because it didn't it wasn't clear to me particularly because i had already looked at the numbers from 2012 to 2016 that were provided as part of the the the v-trans data exactly on main street and there seems to be these numbers just didn't i didn't realize they were the same things thank you right but the but the but the number of injuries were listed and so these numbers look very low compared to the numbers for just main street for those same years that's all i can check with you separately yeah okay otherwise no commissioner comment separately all right commissioner bar so as per usual like i think that the the streets are are in really good shape as far as is cleaning i just want to give acknowledgement and kudos to the to the teams that are out there sweeping and and hopefully there's not too many cars to tow but i mean it it looks really good out there i also wanted to point out or make a make it for the record that uh just acknowledgement that bob elbury a long time serving member of this commission passed away recently and i think his service is going to be may 27 28 28 yes 28 so there's something that probably can be provided for anybody that might want to go to that anybody who's interested in information on bob service can call public works at 802 863 9094 and i how many years was he i mean i decades 26 the longest serving maybe yes he he served decades on the commission and then worked for bed burlington electric department for decades the man lived in uh breathed burlington for his entire life service to this community was outstanding and above and beyond so i just wanted to acknowledge that for the for the minutes thank you jim we'll make sure to include that thank you first of all thank you again so much for the staff's work on um working through um the great streets issue i really appreciate that um question about institute road bhs and north beach um i had to go pick up my youngest who is doing track at bhs and it was you know one of those gorgeous days the traffic along institute road i think because there's less student traffic to slow things down it was like a freeway um cars are moving quite fast from um north avenue you know that short span to the entrance to the park there were a lot of cars uh goddess i'm like one of those ladies why are there cars doing park there over there um but you know i wonder and i know it happens over the summer is there any way for the city to capture revenue or the school district to capture not that we give a bake sale to deal with this the school building but it's not even overflow parking it's interesting how people will park at bhs because it's free and then walk down to north beach um so i don't know if there's if there could be any imagination of of charging for that parking you know as i was sitting right you know parks and the schools are talking about that okay that's i know because it because i felt like north beach is the park's thing the parking surface parking is dpw but then it's bsd so um anyway thanks yes that's it okay great thank you for that um and thank you for the yeah the update on the chlorination issue i just want to commend you i i did get news of that by multiple channels uh that day and i appreciate the outreach on on that one yeah i guess nothing nothing further from iant so with that said where are we at included to adjourn well not so fast yeah we can get entered thinking about it but we'd still adjourn this concluding we've concluded we're concluding our commissioner communications and i would welcome a motion to enter executive session for the purpose of director and city engineer annual reviews so moved we have a motion from commissioner bows thank you for that second second from commissioner bar is there any discussion around that motion let's you know go to a vote then uh to the phone commissioner mutano hi you commissioner bows hi thank you commissioner bar hi thank you mr overby hi and vice chair on the obama hi i for myself we are entered into executive session we're served right so tonight is an interesting one in that we have remote commissioners and so we haven't had a full conversation but i think sir if you'd be willing what we'll do is we'll pause the recording and we will continue to use the remote connection here rob if you can make sure that there are no