 We're gonna start the transportation advisory board meeting. However, we do not have a quorum this evening So we won't be able to make any votes or motions So first off, I need to see if everybody's in an agreement that we can continue to do an informational only meeting without voting in motions Okay, and I'll still do roll call. Okay, we'll still do roll call Taylor Wickland David McInerney Steve laner here. Okay. We're gonna move past number three, which is approve minutes since we can't We can do communications from staff And then go to public comments. So Phil once you go ahead Yeah, good. Good evening members of TAB. This is I'm Phil Greenwald transportation planning manager with the city and we do I'm trying to think of the different things that we need to chat about as far as Communications from staff, but they're all in our information items So I think we'll be good to chat there with you about some of those items We really wanted to formalize them this this week or this month because there was a lot more to them With that being said, I'm trying to think if we've had any we did have a council retreat this last weekend and did see Taylor there so Board member Wicklund. Sorry at that at that Event so thank you for joining us and being part of that your comments were read into records. So We appreciate your comments at that Lot of good stuff at the council retreat. It was a lot of transportation materials. So you will be busy in the next Year, if not We like to say in 2023 but in the next year you'll be busy and hopefully we can Get some folks unfortunately Patrick did a submit his his His resignation and so Patrick's no no longer able to be part of this board He did he has moving away from Longmont. So with that he can't be part of the board anymore And so he did submit his resignation. So we're very sorry to see Patrick go. We're gonna start mid-year Recruitments just like we do every year with this board But this one will take on a little bit more meaning as we believe we only had four people Or five people before and now we're down to four. So This is a seven-member board. So anybody out there who's interested in in applying Please submit your name as soon as you can into the portal. There's a there's an application portal that we've all Put you through as team team or board members. So we appreciate you doing that and we will request that more people join and be part of this board this important board and We look forward to filling out the rest of the seats In July, hopefully we do our recruitments and that's gonna be one of the things we talk about is the recruitments that we do for this in fact, I'll probably just I Think it was something we're gonna talk about at the very end But that's something that we'll have to start working toward in April because we have basically April May and June to get those done and June is really when we have to submit to the city council. So that's very important. So April will be a Big start of month. We'll be looking for people to Sit on that All the two-member board like we are two-member subcommittee like we had last time So I'll ask at least two of you if you all three want to or four want to be on that That's fine, too. Just we'll talk more about that in April. So thank you for your time on that Believe that's all we have from Steph Okay we'll move on to public comments and Just to reiterate three minutes per It's so great to see as many folks here that want to make comments like that So with that We'll go ahead and start Did you have any names that you wanted to start off on the list? Okay, Benjamin would be first. Thank you. Benjamin Grabmeyer Live at a 10, 6, 40 barren circle in Firestone And I'd like to make a few comments today regarding your which was brought up in the last meeting regarding the regional EV plan and That would like to bring up some numbers, but I think it's not a good idea Electric vehicles ultimately it's a private vehicle that can sit usually sits about maybe four to six people if you're lucky Definitely does not comply with the Goal of the city and Envision Longmont to reduce the number of vehicle miles traveled Lithium battery contained in an electric vehicle You need to you need to mine about 90,000 pounds of or per battery Needs about 25 pounds of lithium 35 pounds of cobalt, which you could fit about You know thousand smartphones the worth of electricity in them You need a hundred and ten pounds of graphite for 90 pounds of copper and 400 pounds of steel Just to get your your battery working And to give the context for the mining aspect lithium brines is what you get the lithium from and Brian contain and the pure bra pure lithium You know there's only like ten percent of the actual brine itself So you you're you're just severe disadvantage saying the thing for cobalt You're only getting ten percent out of that So you have to mine about thirty thirty thousand pounds for your for your thirty Pounds of cobalt to fit into that battery In all you'd have to extract about five hundred thousand pounds of materials Move all that Over the battery life you could average that out the consumes about five pounds of earth versus The point two pounds and liquid oil equivalent Requires So and you're you're essentially making a battery that can fit only hundred one barrel of oil, but you need a hundred Barrels of oil to do it and In addition to that you're you're having to transport all these materials by truck Which is a thousand percent of the cost of moving a pipeline seventy five percent of oil and a hundred percent of natural gas is moved via pipeline and So you're just going to be looking at these increased costs okay, and That's what I have for today. I just a couple numbers to think about As you move forward, thank you. No, thank you Benjamin and Lonnie five minutes and that this was going to be with the city council Also, so I'm going to have to cut my my speech a little short Sure Hello to the board members. My name is Lonnie Dooley. I Lived on I live in Village Place apartment 600 Kauffman Street I've lived in historic Westside for over 20 years. I've watched the traffic increased Steadily over time the increase in events downtown has been a great addition to making Longmont unique Unfortunately, it's brought the expected increase in traffic and it's come into our neighborhoods With it the speeding cars and drivers who don't pay attention. I Spoke to neighbors who told me they always walk their kids to school just because they don't feel safe to walk them themselves To have them walk themselves I Attended a downtown meeting a few months back to talk about what we can do to slow down traffic It was agreed. We have to change people's mindsets about driving in Longmont Have signs that say people walk in Longmont or whatever wording will catch people's attention Get on the offensive with our message. Don't be on the defense saying there aren't enough police. I Understand that the police are short staffed. I get it But to me it seems like they've just given up. I live in Village Place apartments right on Main Street On weekend nights now and later in the year. It'll be every night We hear and see cars just going by so fast, you know, they rev up at the 6th Avenue or 6 Yeah, 6th Avenue Light and then again come in the other way Longs Peak and they just fly Every even every day traffic includes people who are speeding I don't understand why safe traffic safety isn't more Priority to the police that we do have We have an investment in this community and we deserve More than hearing we don't have the personnel People I've spoken to in my neighborhood say it's in general. They don't feel safe walking downtown. I Feel that making downtown one way each way is a good or one lane each way is a good idea It may again remind people they have to slow down. I also think speed bumps in neighborhoods are an effective way to catch people's attention Taking people away from their phones and other devices and making them watch the road Getting people to realize that driving a vehicle requires their full attention It's not a time to be multitasking Decorated crosswalks can stand out such as Main Street and 8 to catch people's attention and remind them to slow down We've many talented artistic people in our community who may be happy to display their work while doing something to help the community Neighbors in historic West Side had been asking for crosswalks to be painted at the four corners of Central Elementary School They'd been put off with reasons like checking the budget and doing a study to determine if it was needed When Tony was killed our neighbor Tony umily a neighbor was interviewed by Channel 9 news and within two weeks the crosswalks were painted I Understand that neighbors have been working with the city to add crosswalks and more safety measures on 3rd Avenue as part of the project To complete the work on 3rd make it a blanket project get crosswalks painted all over town Use the resources we have let people be reminded consistently if not constantly if necessary to slow down in Long Island I'm glad the council adopted the vision zero initiative. It's an admirable goal and great start So let's keep working on what we need in this town to make it safe Can the neighborhoods do more for things for themselves? Can we help out? There's many people citizens and parents who want to do what we can to make things safer in Longmont They want the council to know they will back them up if they see things being done Thank you for hearing me and then I know we have two more. We don't have your names or I'm sorry three right we have No, okay If you could just give us your name and where you live My name is Brian O'Brien My wife and I live at 321 Gay Street. I would like to basically wanted to say thank you to the city for Making some improvements around the central elementary school we live on one of the Southwest corner Of the schoolyard so we can see the playground in the front drive with the school and As recent as this morning Watching the very busy when parents drop off in the morning, especially like today when the clocks changed on Sunday morning everybody trying to be timely and The Problems still exist You probably know that it's not a school where people are bused in All the children come either walking on a bike or a scooter or in their parents cars so there is an awful lot of traffic in the morning and The progress that's been made is is appreciated. We wanted to note that Crosswalks did get repainted there were some other safety improvements that were discussed and If there's any update on that that would be great think thank you for making progress on that project Thank you And Phil could we get maybe an update next week or I should say I'm sorry the next meeting on On the Gay Street and any of the additional improvements and when they're There are there on schedule I'd have to follow up with our operation staff. We had met with several residents out Several months ago, and I know we had we had talked and gotten on the restriping of some of the crosswalks I think some of the other walks were and some signing was supposed to be adjusted Those are the only improvements. I'm aware of in that area Other than the third avenue work that will be showing you shortly But we'll we'll double-check. I think it my last drive through there We had wanted one of the mid-block crosswalks Touched up, and I don't know that ever happened and I think some of the signing We are also changing one of the school zones to make it longer So I'd have to see where our operations group is with that but I can provide we can certainly provide an update the next meeting And also as a follow-up for the other comments for Lonnie if we could look into I know vision zero We've talked about road diets and some of the things that can be done Maybe what we could do is just make a note to see what we're addressing on Main Street in regards to the plan Because obviously that's an important thoroughfare That was the I guess that was my timer, right? And and then Benjamin's comments on Evie It's well put and we understand that and there is a balance I know that we've had a conversation about vision zero or the Evie plan as it relates to that So that's all I can add in regards to that welcome council member Well, we're on we're on zero or we don't have a quorum tonight, so we're informational. Yeah, so so so no voting All right No other public comments I think we'll jump to the information items and of course as we said they're just information items We won't be making any votes Great. Good evening again for Greenwell. Just wanted to go through your packet You did mention last time that you wanted to see an update to the To the work plan. So that is a very quick item where we're just showing you that we didn't take your suggestions Into the from the record into the actual work plans on the Basically third to last page of your packet Show that here as well So you'll see the two highlights where we made the changes to the your requested changes to that Work plan. I just want to make sure you're aware of that. So it didn't go unchecked I Think if it's okay with the chair, I will skip over to vision zero real quick Before we could do the third avenue because the third avenue is a more of a work plan We're gonna go to the back tables that actually stand around Okay, yes, we're gonna put third avenue at the end if that's okay with the chair. Yeah, it's fine So just to chat a little bit about vision zero, we do have a resolution Getting ready to go to city council. We want to make sure it's tight tightened up before it does go to council. So One item is that we'd like to bring it to you first so we'd like to bring that to your April meeting and Make sure it works for you and then we'll basically be going the next day to city council with it So it's gonna be a little tight But we would like to take whatever recommendations you have to the city council at that same time and just make sure they're aware of Any conditions or concerns you might have or if you want to recommend That they approve it as is That's a possibility as well, but we want to just make sure that we're at that Level when we go so that'll be your April meeting where we do that again, it's It's in pretty good shape, but we need another We need we need some time to work with it because it's It's pretty Integrated right now with everything that vision doesn't we really want to make it City of Longmont's vision zero So vision zero has not been adopted by any city council Action as of yet. They just did give us the go-ahead to start working on this resolution and That we'll talk about an action plan as far as vision zero goes so Just to give you a heads up there and then we'll move on to the Are there any questions with that? And we'll move on to the 2024 budget discussion. That's that last page in your packet that we sent out A day after the packet went out and I'll turn it over to Jim Hanks that so what This up here Thank you Phil what we've provided is is the list of Projects that we are or have been working on or we're looking to fund in future years And they're they're comprised we broke them down into several categories one is asset management One is those kind of the leveraged funding projects leveraged funding meaning we've gotten grants for those projects which has helped to Basically stretch our city match dollars and then some safety capacity and alternative modes Projects what one One of the challenges we're facing this year is that with the over the last time to say a year and a half We face some severe challenges in terms of increasing costs for most of our projects And most of those projects are most of the more complicated ones and we've seen it across the boards not just streets But we've had an expansion of the water plant planned and that has the cost of that has nearly doubled from our original estimates So Currently working on the project that's tied to the resilience ain't for any project that projects is Boston Avenue bridge That project came in at a little over 12 million dollars, and we have about 8 million dollars in in the budget right now So we're looking to how are we gonna fund that? We've got some priorities that are already been approved by council that we're looking at railroad quiet zones as an example That was approved by council several years ago and given us the direction to move forward That is one of the leveraged funding projects wherein we got basically almost 50% of the then budget In a grant from FRA So we got four million dollars for an eight million dollar project That's now looking more along the lines of a ten million dollar project So what we're looking at in some in terms of some more budgeting is some of these projects will stretch out longer Quiet zones was one that was broken into components and we were able to spread it out over several years in part because Majority the work is being done by BNSF the rail line that owns the railroad and Spreading that out we couldn't do all 17 crossings in one summer so to speak we we don't have the capacity nor do they so We just wanted to go through some of these kind of some of the projects So you understand kind of what the critical nature of some of these Our TRRP zero zero one the only real good news I can I can express to everybody is that we bid out this year's Pavement rehab contract or contracts which is comprised of basically our asphalt rehab where we we repave roads our concrete rehab And then we also do a chip seal program where which will extend the life of asphalt all three of those Bids came in contracts separate separate bid items came in within budget I have the only good news I can can offer up most of our other projects are over so We've got a couple of projects and as I said we're looking at these this is over when we look at a budget over a five-year period Example will be TRP 114 which is the Bowen left-hand Creek Bridge We have two bridges in our Inventory that are Starting to see wear and tear affects long term. So we're starting to program those in The TRP 119, which is the 3rd Avenue Westbound We've been looking to get that into the budget to to Basically rehab the deck We've done a number of repairs On it, but it is reaching the the tail end of its useful life The fortunate good news is there seems to be within the infrastructure bills some Some dollars programmed in for bridges we're waiting for that to be released so we can at least apply for for bridge grants So as we we look at these and start programming them in long term We start looking at the ability to leverage our dollars as well Some of the other projects TRP 011 that is our Where we call our our transportation system management Kind of list of projects so we throw a lot of projects in there several of those That includes some of our smaller scale safety projects we throw money That's where we afford to take out for any new traffic signals We've got two projects in there that have leveraged dollars And it looks like some of the the county line road portion of that is going to be funded Significantly with with leveraged dollars, so the city's batch are smaller So, you know going over some of the more critical projects that The city manager's office has indicated we will fund Coffman Street busway improvements, which is tied to our first in Maine improvements that one is it's at the top of the list And it really indicated railroad quiet zones is at the top of the list So as we we prepare and plan that budget We're going to be in Working towards Some of those priority projects making sure we have adequate funding that's going to push some other things out List them is that either unfunded or push them out in future years? Jim Quick question in regards to the price increases. Are you seeing that as a long term? Is it a short-term thing because obviously we're building budgets that sometimes go three to five years So is this something that you're going to have to plan for in subsequent budget years? I'm going to say yes I don't know that we've got models that that go out five years for that But we'll look at the first initial two years and hope that prices either flatten out or in some cases will drop You know, we haven't seen necessarily that that in the supply chain kind of issues You know, we're facing it. We're not the only I guess Public works is not the only entity LPC seeing it Cost increases as well as they're still seeing delays in getting some of their transformers and supplies Year two years out We're also seeing in some cases some of our our development applications are starting to slow down So the higher interest rates are affecting the ability for developers to get money. So we're seeing a Little bit of that. I'm going to say we're looking at it. We'll look at it, you know We budget every year. We do our budget process every year. We'll adjust accordingly in 2024 when we budget for 2025 I'm going to assume at least two years of this is what I would say based on my experience with this type of market Change, that's a really great question We're seeing it materials certainly scarcity materials. We're also seeing it in labor costs At least particularly on the front range You know, what I always say is is you you drive up and down the front range You'll see development everywhere so labor is a challenge Getting some of our consultants to provide Or hit our goals for for providing, you know, 60 90 hundred percent plans seem to get stretched out. They're extremely busy So labor has been a challenge It's been reflected across the board on, you know, anywhere in the city We've had we have trouble filling positions particularly at the at the mid management and higher levels Some of the we can we can fill engineering positions for kids coming out of college or two or three years experience, but Mid-level and up is very difficult And we're seeing that in the labor trades as well And that's part of the challenge is is that When we we bid out a project Consult or contractors just really aren't hungry that they're going to try to lower their prices to get a project They've got a lot of work Everywhere along the front range So just the I guess touching real quick on the last topic the safety capacity, you know, alternative modes project Some of these projects as we go will we'll see their budgets reduced Some dollars shift around Some projects we're trying to fund we've got other than the street fund we do have some Money coming in on some of our trail projects from other areas Example would be the spring Gulch number two project that really actually isn't listed here because we're it's already in the existing budget We're working to get that trail completed Dollars from that are coming in not just from from streets, but also from other areas of We've got some park dollars Because it isn't running through open space as well So we look to leverage our dollars not just with outside money, but with an interior as well There's also Some of the Hoover Street improvements, maybe the Nelson Road And Hoover Street intersections. We're looking to fund with the transportation community investment fee fund Which is used for capacity that is the money that developers put into a fund that goes to capacities or capacity improvements So where we have those we're looking to use those dollars On some of these projects, so we'll we will see some of them funded But it's going to be a very tight budget year. So So with that, we just wanted to go ahead So Jim Especially in the context that vision zero is going to happen I trust council will pass the resolution and then we'll work on an action plan and a lot of vision zero is about, you know Narrowing lanes and and these projects there's quite a few at least when I read the descriptions. There's a lot of you know add in our lane Even the Nelson one I read add a lane or add a a width for a bike lane But then under vision zero you're I'm looking at speed control separation You know a cyclist on a 35 mile an hour road That probably traditionally goes 40 I don't want them to get hit. So I'm just wondering Can we also maybe get rid of some of these projects? At least less than them to a degree, especially like the hover widening Nelson widening. I know that doesn't involve the intersection But at least maybe we could think of alternative ways and an extremely focus on our multimodal plan To really get people on a different path than a two-ton car that can hit people So What I'll note is well well We do a lot of talking about vision zero Okay, so vision zero is is we're not going to accomplish that in a year or two years We're gonna put a goal in of several years out. So we need to take take a long-term approach long-term thinking and You know currently within the I think the existing budget We're gonna see about 60 to 80 million dollars of unfunded projects. Some of these projects will slide into that and and May never resurface again So as part of looking at vision zero as Phil takes on a transportation What do we call it mobility plan? Those are items we'll be looking at a lot harder I know that council has has made indications of pushing more multimodal Thought processes so I think There's there's a I guess the best I could come up with the yeah, maybe an answer of some of these projects dropping off We would see that and what I would also want to just remind everybody these are the capital projects We look at look at a lot of of Most of what you're gonna see with vision zero of the least the planning components are gonna come out of the operating budget and That is that is a kind of separate budget separate kind of to a certain degree budget process Where we look at That's where we maintain our signals some of our smaller scale safety projects are funded out of there our concrete rehab where we would do small-scale safety improvements of what curb extensions comes out of our Some of that operating dollars so I Would say you know we're we're this is the first time I think we've we've brought tab in early on in the budget process So I think those are the discussions we can have as we move through the process Yeah, well, yeah, I just remember the the vision zero study session of city manager saying you know immediately We need to start looking at projects and maybe The where we plan on widening roads. Maybe we need to narrow the roads And then I advocate is thinking about other other modes of travel Including maybe a like for hover for the future BRT. I'm like, well, why not a protected bus lane? To fully separate and speed up alternative modes of travel Thanks for your comments. The reason for this to be on your agenda tonight is really for any more discussion So if we would just open it up if these projects look like You know if they look acceptable These are the well, these are the projects that we're putting into the budget We'd like to hear some conversation about it. And I think the vision zero piece is exactly what we are looking for as far as How do we? Because really what's gonna happen and I was gonna mention this at the end is we're gonna have this transportation mobility plan and vision zero going parallel tracks And they're gonna feather into each other at the end of each so Those will have to come together and be part of the solution for all the things that you were talking about Or remember looking so Those are the kind of things we're looking for is this the idea about widening roads I think city councils heard a lot about those discussions and and where we are with If you look at certain projects that have been done recently like 9th Avenue West of Main Street while rest of Kaufman That's where we had an operation project operational project That went back in and restriped that differently And provided a buffered bike lane where there was none before and a center turn lane where there was none before so Safety for all all modes is really our key here and then maintaining the existing system so that we don't fall into Disrepair and have a very expensive project In the medium term midterm future. You'll see the same kind of project on Mountain View We did that as well parking was removed in some instances on-street parking much to the chagrin of some of the neighbors, but I think now There's an understanding that that's a safer safer condition overall So again safety taking care of the road and then safety for all modes as well. So There's some other things we'd like to talk to you about as far as getting people out of their vehicles in the long In the long run, that's a future discussion. I don't will probably have as we get further into the year As far as We're excited. I'm excited about his micro transit so we're gonna see how we do as far as going for some federal dollars there and We should be able to let you know more about that in about two months So those are the things that we're working on but going over these projects would be We just want to make sure There's either kind of head nodding or if are we missing something here just to get your general sense of kind of Where are we on the right track? As a follow-up to Board member Wicklund's comments Phil I know you and Jim have been through a lot of these budget cycles and planning cycles my question is How long does it take? or a concept like vision zero or Microtransit to go from an idea to actually showing up as Projects on a list like the one we're looking at tonight. Are we talking would you say three years four years? I? Think the answer is it depends typically when it's a capital project If it's a smaller capital project, it's more of a three-year time frame But most of the things that I'm working with in a more of a long-term Transportation planning role is the bigger projects and those are at least five years To in discussion and usually more so But five years is kind of that Threshold with microtransit. That's an idea about getting money Most likely grant dollars to help us start that program up a startup and then working with RTD and partnership So there's a lot of different folks to work with on that. That's a public-private partnership model So there's a lot of folks to work with in that but it can go fairly fast if everybody can kind of come on board But it really requires Chasing the money That's going to take I mean we've I've been doing this For about a year and a half now So that's where we are and we're hoping to have more news like I said by the end of this spring early well Probably more like early summer so That'll tell us if we have money if we don't It's kind of where do we go to the next pot of money to chase So, yeah, it depends just real quick Excuse me In regards to the projects that we have on the list here. I get it's a balancing act We have to take care of some things on an immediate level And so vision zero from what I understand is almost philosophical or it's an umbrella with which we would operate in terms of design Design principles for the things we're doing going forward So with that being said and kind of tie in with with what I Was going to say council member but board member McInerney Good look on you, right? was going to say is is You know with that idea vision zero being a design principle Do you suspect that? Residents are going to see a change to some of this Because we've already had some comments tonight about in supportive vision zero I'd like to know that we're really progressing there that folks are going to see that so it was long-winded, but well I I I don't want to categorize vision zero as a as a design kind of Solution through design so so to speak Vision zero is is that is one component of it. It is is also one of the other components is a is a rather I Was a detailed involved rather large public engagement process where you bring the stakeholders together as part of of not just the You start with the creation of the the action plan that brings those stakeholders together Okay to create the action plan and then once the plan is is basically Created and then implemented you begin to implement it Then you still have that engagement across across the boards and there's a number of other things in regards to equity in regards to Kind of some of the the options you can do in regards to the speed limits and but infrastructure improvements are only one One small part of it And and you know part of from the city's perspective You know getting to a zero deaths is going to be very challenging Okay, we will probably have better success in limiting or reducing some of the more Not fatal crashes, but but the higher injury crashes the the challenge in regards to zero deaths is that most of those deaths happen on The arterial roads with higher speeds So that that's something we'll we'll have to see and there's not some of those areas Some of the fatalities we had are are on state roadways out of our control So it'll be a challenge, but I think those are things that's part of what we have to bring everybody together to discuss as part of the action plan As we start correct crafting that over the next year And as we spoke with the council at the retreat on Saturday, we We should aspire to zero deaths on our roadways, whether they're State or local or whatever, but that's our aspirational goal is to meet that zero That zero death so We don't want to say we're trying to You know get to a number The number is zero because every one of those is a is a person. So that's that's The kind of goals of vision zero I Totally understand that because vision zero You know started in Sweden and they're still working on it 30 years later Just took us 30 years to get it over over here But I would I would disagree that because I like to quote Unfortunately, I don't have his name a Boston professor, but just the five principles of vision zero Speed control separation functional harmony. So meaning roads should not or should avoid multiple functions Predictability simplicity Forgiveness restrictiveness. So when you make a mistake, it's not deadly State awareness. So so I would I would argue that it's very much a design Issued not just enforcement and educating the public it's all that as well But then it's also how we how we build things and and maybe how we perfect our road diets to a achieve separation for all users, but then also to maybe slow speeds and Get drivers to pay attention. So Well, we appreciate your comments and thank you very much We'll take those into consideration as we move forward in this next budget cycle. So I appreciate your time on that The last thing we have if that's all for this budget item Is more of a work plan and that you can invite all the public as well to kind of go around the table in the back We're gonna roll unroll this little plot. Oh good Just a follow-up on the Coffin Street, so that will be fully funded is what I heard That has been our direction. Okay that we anticipate funding that project. Okay, so we are looking currently. We're at at 90% plans, I believe We're working through some property acquisition some easements it is Because it is a leverage project leverage with federal funding. We have to go through the federal process So it takes a little longer to procure the easements Through the federal process. So we've put that into scheduling anticipating that we will be going out to bid November December of this year awarding in January of next year And then getting started in March April the spring Currently, we are getting ready for that There is currently a waterline project that we are wrapping up that will get the waterline out of the way Of the any of the other improvements so that project is is actually beginning So you will see construction activity on Coffin this summer But Coffin is one of the projects that we have indicated Will be funded and we are looking currently as we go into the next budget cycle of Providing a pretty hefty contingency within the budget Anticipating if costs continue to go up, we will have it covered We won't have to be kind of doing an exercise of trying to find dollars In the budget, so we're looking at like a 20% increase in as well as other contingencies So we will be be looking that anticipating increases as we budget for next year And then I guess this might be for Phil is You know, this is more like looking at the future, you know, let's dream about the future and after Coffin because it will be you know our first Priority bus lanes protected cycle way But also people have to get there to use those facilities. So what's what's the dream to connect it? in the future Great question and a lot of dreaming going on. Yeah, so The the goal is to get people to this station Microtransits one part of that goal. It's basically in a vision of Five smaller vans that would just kind of trek around town the goal of that program of microtransit is is stated as less than a 15-minute wait after you make a call or Whether you're calling whether you're using your phone, however, you're doing it We're trying to bring a lot of equity into this. So it's not you don't need to necessarily It's gonna be a multi language Phone call that you could I mean you'll have a translator on the other end that can speak a variety of languages So we're trying to make it so it's all inclusive and make sure that it's very equitable Anybody can use it call in within 15 minutes. You'll have a place to Catch the ride it may not be in front of your house like an Uber or Lyft, but it may be Two blocks away one or two blocks away So you'll meet up with maybe one or two other people who would also share that ride with you So it's like a bus still and so within 15 minutes You would catch the the shuttle and 15 minutes you would be at your destination So it's less than 30-minute trip total for anybody in the city using that system. So that's the vision We'll see, you know, that's the that's the scope we'll put out there for folks as we bid out this project Just like we bid out a construction project The other piece is we're working with and we're working with folks in the whole Northwest region that includes That's the Northwest Denver area region Working on it now getting expanding the B cycle Electric bicycle B cycle bike share system in Boulder to be countywide and Maybe even into parts of Westminster and Broomfield County or Westminster's in Adams County Broomfield at Broomfield County So we're trying to incorporate and expand that system so that we could have electric bikes that would help Make those those connections as well, and then we'll have the RTD bus system Still on top of that We're thinking micro mobility may be able to offset a lot of that so bring RTD in as a partner to help fund the micro mobility model So again a lot of dreams going on, but this is all hubbed at 1st and Main and The other piece of it is to start talking about Kauffman Street being this bus corridor and you've heard some from somebody who lives along that corridor, but also as The other portion of that corridor is on Main Street So we're looking and working with the LDDA the Longmont downtown development authority to figure out what to do with Main Street next and There's a lot of excitement, you know, unfortunately it was driven by COVID, but there's a lot of excitement when we Narrowed that down to one lane in each direction. So there's a thought of how do you make that more of a permanent? slowing traffic and Changing the lanes into you know bicycle facilities, or do you expand the sidewalk? Some would argue that there's enough sidewalk on Main Street right now to handle the pedestrian load I think if you go out there on any given Evening especially as we're getting the longer hours and if you go out there on a weekend You'll see a lot of pedestrian traffic using Main Street as uncomfortable as it is I think people are drawn to that area and it's just the center of Longmont. So All these things play into each other We'll still be driving. We're not trying to get people to abandon their cars necessarily But if we can offer that that goes into some of the affordable housing and attainable housing aspects that takes a Large cost load off of people trying to afford housing in Longmont So it all plays into each other and it's all working together. So I'm getting on my So box now, so I'll leave that and let you speak Just one follow-up Phil is So then also, what about like local cyclists getting to the facility instead of using a B cycle? And then and then just to tie in another question is maintenance because I remember One of the bike issues committee like when there is the Pike Road Bollards placed in as an experiment one of the complaints was you know rock and gravel can be swept so are we planning to Expand our maintenance equipment to even take care of these facilities a Great question. What we're doing is we're working with our maintenance group as we bring these projects forward And making sure they're fully involved in the project so that they understand What we're looking to construct and we're meeting their needs for what kind of equipment they have or what kind of equipment They can get to make this to make it work better than what we did on Pike Road, which was to quickly install some Bollards as a test and We quickly learned from our maintenance crews that it was too narrow and it didn't it didn't work It was really trying to squeeze something into into that shoe horn it in that wasn't meant to Be shoehorned in that way with the existing travel lanes And the other part of your question was how to get there on a bicycle if you're not E-bicycle so I'm just thinking of like the future of you know This is our first protected bike lane. Hopefully it's not our last so And start planning for the next one and that'll connect directly to the St. Frank Greenway on the south so it'll have a direct connection It'll actually be a great connection from St. Frank Greenway north into downtown on Kauffman Street Bicycles and and walkers and people using other wheeled devices so it should be it should be Very multimodal and as you get into the stationary at first in Maine first in Kauffman between Boston and first there the ideas that's Got some parking involved with it. It's gonna have bicycle parking bicycle lockers So you should have a secure place to park your vehicle and your vehicle Your bicycle vehicle and your and your automobile so And then there'll be obviously lots of loading and unloading opportunities there too So for kissing ride opportunities carpooling opportunities those kind of things That'll be accommodated as well So we're really trying to connect it and it will be dynamic in that it can grow and if it's not done right on opening day we can we can We can adapt to other conditions and other transportation modes. We don't even understand right now So I guess before we do this session in the back Do we want to allow make a change and Stacey you can correct me to let the Rest of the public make comments and then move to that or should we wait till we've gone through that and then have public make comments I mean, so what what are you thinking how long it's going to take for us to do the session up there? 20 minutes 30 minutes Okay, why I just figured we can reconvene What's that now and then reconvene after that Yeah Yeah, I just didn't know we had more public show up So it's up to you if you'd like to just invite Anybody who hasn't spoken and who might not want to be part of the 3rd Avenue work work study here that They want to just let them speak and then be able to leave if they'd like yeah, and they're Certainly welcome. If you're if you allow it to be part of that works Yeah, that's fine So if anybody in the public would like to come up and speak we would open up the the days for you If you don't want to be part of the 3rd Street budget Conversation if not you can stick around Okay, no, that's fine. We'll go ahead and do the the 3rd Street budget conversation. So I'm sorry. Do we have a taker? My name is Martha cobalt I am from Gay Street the 700 block of gay and we were just a couple of us came today to just Learn a little bit more about what the traffic mitigation and speed mitigation would be happening for The Gay Street Longs Peak area. There's been Many accidents at that intersection. It's just a two-way people kind of use Gay Street as a thoroughfare because it does go from 66 down to price and I Just sorry. I haven't done public speaking much But we just wanted to know I know that there's been some plans I know one of our neighbors has been speaking with Phil I believe Haley trip fire about some of the we have emails about What was going to be going on with Gay Street and what the plans were for Gay Street and Longs Peak area? There were a couple different things for slowing down traffic and I wasn't sure if that was in the budget or if that was in the plans I think it was a phase one So they weren't going to do I'm going to step off and let Ed speak I'll do any better. I think specifically our concerns were it seemed like there's going to be a dramatic change to you know, the Infrastructure on our street getting rid of parking on the east side of the street, which I read was anecdotally There's not a parking problem on Gay Street Well, if you've ever been near our street on any day that there's anything going on at the park or God forbid There's a parade. It's mayhem I mean it feels unsafe and people still block my driveway. I mean there's I mean they've not encroach on it But block the driveway. I know that's probably what five ten times a year But if you live there, it's not to be completely, you know discounted It feels kind of crazy on those days. Um, I Real I was also curious because we were you know, 19 foot We were looking at some of the plans and I'm like how much of my front yard is going towards this plan So that was just something I you know wanted to check in on see if there was any discussion of that tonight but that um, no, please be aware that We and our neighbors are are very interested and very aware and we'll be paying attention and Hopefully, you know be able to be a sounding board for the people that live there, you know, thank you for your time Thank you for that Anyone else if not we can go I think to the back and Yes, Jim. So One of the previous tab means we were asked to bring back and provide you information on 3rd Avenue. So That is our intention tonight This is kind of a precursor to a public meeting that we will be held kind of on April April 6th So to move things along, you know, we'll accept questions Comments from the board But there will be an opportunity for the general public to offer up those comments at the April 6th meeting Those invites should be going out by the end of this week We are finalizing the list and the letter as we kind of in the coming days So we will get those mailed out. So Be happy to Answer any questions, but I don't want to get again get into a lot of conversation with the public where we're gonna unveil this again This is a plan that is it is in its final stages. So there are a couple opportunities to tweak a few things But generally this is a kind of a low-cost measure we can do One of the things you will not see on this plan is any bike lanes To install bike lanes would require a whole-scale removal of parking in a number of areas and Widening of the road and we are that was never our intention So I will you know be happy to show you kind of the graphic we have This will be very similar graphic to what we're gonna show On April 6th as well This is the second of a public meeting series of public meetings where we heard a number of Issues with the public that that asked us for a few things a number of things and that's really kind of our intention is to get back Back to the unveil kind of where we're we're taking the corridor to show how we can We can control Kind of that speed It is for the most quarter 25 miles per hour So we're going to be doing a number of kind of non-invasive improvements Some traffic control with stop signs crossing marks markings Some more flashing radars. That is really what we're we're gonna be showing here narrowing lanes down to nine and a half to ten foot lanes to To kind of help to slow slow traffic down So that's what we'll show you Phil I'm sorry. I just wanted to Ask on the gay street if we could also I know we talked about the near the elementary school with the crosswalks But also look at some of the comments a little farther south on there Maybe just a discussion item on gay street next meeting and the meeting after because it sounds like we might have two things that we At least ought to be aware of Right and just a quick little follow-up on gay street based on the last comment that was just made A lot of those design pieces are those Really preliminary design. It's not even design. It was just it was just What could happen what could fit as part of the enhanced multi-use corridor planning or emuck planning that was done a number of years ago and we've since learned through through a lot of trial and error and trying to get this just you know done it right and within a budget Is we probably aren't going to be able to move curbs As much as a consultant who did that project thought we could move curbs and we just don't as you've heard Throughout this discussion. The resources are not there to do those kind of Larger elemental changes that we we just don't have the resources to do that So we've been trying to work within the curb line So people who are concerned about a plan that they saw called enhanced multi-use corridor planning and they saw their They're street widened and they saw portions of their You know their their tree lawn taken away that's not Going to happen with what we've got going as far as any kind of budget We have right now And the other piece of it is we're going to take the emuck plan And it's going to get absorbed into the transportation mobility plan that we've got planned for later this year So we will incorporate that into The tmp and we will make those modifications based on what we've heard from the public And this isn't the first time we've heard these concerns So we appreciate that the people are coming out and talking about these things because it's giving us a clear direction forward Thank you And I was going to say too for this third avenue piece I'm concerned because uh along my pub along my public media is in the house And they'd probably like to be able to see what's going on. So i'm going to bring the mic With us so they can hear us and it would be great if we could I'm not sure which um, maybe this front table here would be the best Place and if we can kind of maybe go behind and let Lpm see what we're doing so we can keep this as a public Meeting that's actually uh useful for people as they rewatch it. So that sounds appropriate. Yeah Okay, so we're gonna have we're gonna have to do some table extension maybe but I'm trying to figure out where else we could do this Um But maybe it's worth a short recess as we move tables into position Okay, we'll take a short recess to get some tables in position Great, okay I'm hoping this works Great, so we are gonna have to do this in the back of the room. We apologize to people watching Later on for this discussion, but we are going to uh Try to get all the verbal pieces of this we can 6 80 April 6 meeting, okay Well, we thought this was going to be more interactive And so kind of see what's going on Yeah, so what we've done is we've unrolled the the plot We wanted to do this. We'll do that on power point on april 6. So you'll get another view of this This isn't the last time you'll see this We'll take it through the entire process as well. So i'm gonna let Jim kind of walk through the plan here and give him the mic. I get to talk here Is this thing on? I guess I got to really talk close. All right. Um, so um To my left, you're right looking at this. Uh, main street is on this side So we're looking i'm going to start talking about the improvements moving from east to west So, um, we are uh, this is one of the final drafts. We are still looking at some minor Lane adjustments in and around third avenue and kaufman Um, it is a signalized intersection in conjunction with the kaufman widening project We're looking at at some lane lane adjustment there um As we start to move towards pratt, we are looking at, um adjustments to the narrowing up the the crosswalks providing a basically a Crosswalk markings. We're necking down the roadway. Thank you phil. Um, we're providing a safe haven There's going to be what gets lost in here is there is a curb extension on the south side So, um, we'll provide then we're going to be putting in our normal crosswalks and crosswalk signage On both sides both both sides of pratt street Um, one of the Analysis we did over the the last year was doing some counts and measuring of pedestrians And we found that pedestrians were using both sides of the of the roadway for crossing Not just pushing to one side. So we felt that we needed to to continue that So providing those ability to cross But narrowing up the the exposed area where a pedestrian would be crossing on the roadway Providing some markings on the road to indicate that there is a crosswalk there as well as the crosswalk markings Um, continuing to go, uh, towards the west We are proposing, um Some additional striping improvements cleaning up the striping at gay street That is already I believe a a four-way stop But we'll be enhancing those crossings and Putting in new reflective stop signs We are working, um on Bowen street. We are also looking at providing additional Cleaning up the crossings cleaning up the signs providing some yield signs to pedestrians as well as additional warning signs Noting that there is a crosswalk there So that they should be yielding to pedestrians as they are in the crosswalk Um Hawk signal, um, hawk signals are usually what we see for pedestrian movements at Midblock crossings as well as the rfbs. We were looking at those on several the intersections rfbs, but found Please make sure your questions are on the mic so I can hear them um Was there any accounting for uh, I called hawk. I sorry hawk signals I know that those are normally midblock accommodations, but I know with third street and Kind of the nature of it if that would have made sense And um, we did look at at our rfbs at several intersections, but we didn't look at any hawk signals We were we were uh, we're not seeing those would be the best use to provide some of the crossings Um, so we moving a little further up. We are um putting in Some of our flashing or our radar speed limit signs Um, we are also Some of the new Signs we are buying will be data collection systems So we will be able to identify Both the number of cars counts of cars as well as get data on on speeds of of cars throughout here We recently In conjunction with public safety bought them several of those signs that are actually Uh, um portable signs where they can strap them to a pole. We're going to actually install Permanent signs here for so we have those at this location um, then moving on Oh, wait, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Um Jim Quick question. I guess this one works too on on the Excuse me on the signs that show the speed limit because I know mountain view has them a couple of the streets Have there been any data collected after the fact that shows Whether you're getting more compliance with speeds because I know that's very difficult to kind of gauge based on Those are really just signs that are showing speed. They're not really doing anything More compliance so as as we kind of move forward in the future That's kind of what our intention is as we install some of these Facilities is is the ability with with some of those temporary signs the flashing ones to build a database of What's the problem and that that's one of the components of vision zero is that is a Is data collection across kind of the city that starts to identify where some of the problems are That's one of the reasons public safety wanted some of these signs They want to start identifying where people are speeding that they can put, you know, their forces to best use So, you know, we're looking at this later this year to pick up a few more Outside of this project and I want to I'd have to get back to you and I'll finalize this prior to The the next meeting, but I believe we were going to bow in as stop control Entirely so my graphic is wrong. So I do apologize for that But I'll have that information for the april 6th meeting Verify that but there was an intersection in there where we were providing Stop control. It did warrant a for the four-way stop So moving up we are Coming up to Sherman street We are looking at curb extensions and For a three-way stop at for the northern leg We have traffic counts or pedestrian counts of a lot of movement There so we want to provide that protective crossing It's also an intersection at the bend of the road Has caused a lot of problems with site distance. So we were looking to provide a a three-way stop Um And then we were also from our public meeting There and some of our analysis. There's an access issue for cars coming southbound on francis to access the corridor That missed the graphic And this is the right one. So, um, this is a blow up the the difference with this is We are undertaking a drainage project through here. That's going to be coming. Hopefully shortly Um, and there's a lot of utilities in this corridor. So that that design is is dragging a little bit We originally intended to put curb extensions. These will not occur here Simply because of of the drainage issues and getting the water to drain But that drainage project will come up here and then go down the alley to an existing pipe And tie into an existing pipe just off the alley and that is that project has to occur before these start Um Coming to fruition for for us to do start doing the concrete work, which is the first thing we'll do as part of the project Um continuing on. Um, we are going to be putting in a Making use of these existing Curve extensions here putting in a crosswalk at vivian. Um, there will also be additional signage on that both both Um preliminary signs coming at the approach as well as signs at the intersection and then following up with uh flashing speed signs again between the two vivians As we move down to sunset, we will be Restriping the area The alignment um based on when we we came and paved last year put in bike lanes to the west That uh kind of caused some issues. So we're going to realign some of the striping Um Rehance re-enhanced the crosswalks As well as all the stop signs This is a this intersection is rather challenging. It's one of the for a four-way stop That gets a medium amount of traffic It's one of our highest crash intersections So we want to realign this with some some striping and then some tick marks across the intersection So it lines up And again, we are as part of this striping We are going to provide not just a double yellow down the middle but also We're going to kind of note the parking on either side with A solid white line and Provide as much parking as we can Once we kind of establish The plan or the the construction is done We will we will basically be going out and re looking at the the parking areas Revising sight distance checking sight distance And making sure it's in compliance with our criteria Anticipating that we are looking to to maximize some of the parking along the corridor That is our goal one of our goals as well as maintaining the traffic through here and slowing those cars down And then providing you know on on Sherman on Vivian on Judson access onto the corridor. So that's really what we're going to sum this all up April 6th. I'll be doing this again, and hopefully I'll be better at it So does any of the board have any questions or where does the demand for parking come from? Well, this corridor is actually really challenging. So you've got Um You've got kind of a change in in use You've got, you know a commercial kind of entity. You've got some businesses down here. You've got a church Um, we see parking intermixed intermixed through here The the parking changes some is on the north side in some areas some is on the south side As we move kind of towards into the residential area There's we see a lot of use on the south side actually no we don't allow parking on the north side So we see it through here We we have seen it Intermittently a little bit through here There there is the the west side tavern So this gets some use One of the challenges I think that that started the project is Um, when we we took a look uh on the site distance on Sherman and francis We used the most strictest standards Because of the amount of traffic we saw on the speeds And the sight lines uh to promote the sight lines. I think part of this project will get us back to our normal standard Um and not uh because we can um with it'll be a little bit safer To provide it back to the normal standard not use the most stricted standards So um and then you know kind of on the parking On the west side Most of the the homes there Uh johnson they're they're alley loaded and there's adequate parking on the roads. We don't see as much here On the kind of west of francis I want to say you see it a little bit But if you drive it it we don't see it significantly But in the parking is intermixed throughout the area of where it's needed or where it's wanted I guess the own well One question and a comment These bump outs Are we trying to focus them on every intersection or is there a reason? Not here or or is it just not Not usually there we were looking at at the intersection of pratt if you drive it today It is very wide particularly on the east side So we were looking at having to desperately do something there It is a long way for somebody to walk Most of the other areas it is it is more reasonable and and part of the challenge with curb extensions is how do you drain the road? So we're looking at we looked at some of those areas and felt it it with with some signage and in this case A bone's going to be stop control. It wasn't necessarily needed And I I think uh one comment coming from a cyclist I'm okay with no bikes on third Uh I I I think you know I think spruce or going north on six or fourth is better better option for safety So so one of the things we have I fill and I have had conversations about it's nothing official Is that you know, you look at fourth avenue And It is a really kind of a strange corridor. It's got bike lanes on it But in the area of the park, it's got huge travel lanes as well So those are areas as we as we kind of kind of morph into what we're going to be doing on main street Where we do on a coffin. How do we get bikes there? We've had discussions about hey, do we want to do one-way streets? On those east west streets and then make, you know, one side of the road Uh, a two-way bike lane. Okay. One of the challenges with with I know I know you love that that that's separated bike lane Okay, separated from the road put it put it in a lot Well, but one of the challenges is that in certain areas you're gonna have you have a lot of residential driveways in some areas And and providing access for that for those driveways. That's one of our challenges crosswalks There's a part massive park there and there are no crosswalks into it. So That's that's part of what I'm sure you're still working on the school principal Jim when we met um a few months back regarding Central this you added across no You added a crosswalk here here So here here And you Painted this one repainted this one because Currently as this map sits when it was shot. This was the only crosswalk Ordering the entire school. This was the only crosswalk So there is one here now there is one here now and Uh after tony pastor is now one here When you and I spoke you also had stated or that the stop signs Currently are beyond The crosswalk and there was talk about taking those stop signs and putting them pre crosswalk. So It makes sense I had brought up to you that This park is a beautiful park, but it is An attractive nuisance if you will because And I don't mean that in the wrong way. I mean it because the kids used the park after school And they run across the street, but there's nothing there There's not and there's no crosswalk. There's nothing there now There is one here that you've added But it's it's a draw that these kids run to here and then we live right here We have a great view of everything that goes on this school After school the kids use the playground until it's dark and You know, as you know, it's a commuter school. There is no busing to central at all So every way that comes to the school They're biking skateboarding Skiing, you know, uh, their parents are taking them, but they're also running on their own My main concern is the school and the Do it being elementary Especially Yeah, and I Thank you for that for for for that. There were there were a number of items I think we had we had talked about it and we're looking at addressing I think there was a we wanted to extend this The the school zone I think up to the point and our operations team Our yep flashing light. We were going to push it to this pole Our signal team was was supposed to have that accomplished that is something I have to check up on I think we were going to relocate The end school zone here down to match with the flasher. Okay All right Yeah, and that's got to move That was what we agreed to we'll we'll make sure that happens Um, I don't I drove it I think last week. I don't think this We we wanted to have this rehab. I don't think I don't think they did it get rehabped because it didn't look like it when I I drove it The the weather hits it so and and I believe that's These we put in with paint. I thought that was thermo that should last longer So But we'll have it we'll have not only something will again in the crosswalks in the area We'll have them touched up this summer before school the flashing light is on on the on this side of the street and then Immediately across the street is the end of school zone right and we would move both We wouldn't you know if we would move the the sign actually if it's depending on where that end of school zone is We'd have to look at it. That was for the flasher down Down here, but we would probably move it back up to the we would shift around. We'll take a look at it It's you know when I had brought it up to is before school started and now I think we're going to be through another school year and It's almost like you know I know when I had met with you both and I said it's not a matter of when Or if it's going to happen it's a matter of when it's going to happen The an accident and it certainly did happen two weeks later. So one of one of the things I will hopefully You know is positive news We we have a new traffic engineer That position sat when we had spoken that position hadn't been filled yet He's a he's a younger engineer. He's got a lot of different ideas regarding multimodal versus some of our traditional In the past we we've had a kind of the the goal of traffic engineers is to move traffic And traffic meaning cars. I think we there's a change of kind of philosophy both in in the traffic unit as well as Our city council in regards to making things safe. So We we we hear you We're working on it We will You know You and I had met out there. We'd we'd committed to a few things. We'll make sure they get done I have a question Is this on okay? I have a question My children both went to central elementary. They are both High school and 21 But why was never why has bros never had a school? Crossing because the preschool and kindergarten the preschool comes out of the east side of the school And you know as you were speaking I don't know any but But as you were speaking the children and the families do go across and access and use thompson park Immediately after school and the school also uses thompson park A lot during their school day Why has bros never been part of a school zone? flashing light or just in general is it because gay is or There's there's no Right my reason or signage really stating that there is a school and there are young children in that area And I very good question, but I don't have an answer for you That that's lost to history as to why the the previous unless phil has an answer I'm not sure But if we You know one of one of the things we look at when we we we measure an intersection is we look at what's the existing traffic Foot traffic pedestrian traffic if there's a need and we see that the school we we have Should be meeting with the school Mostly, you know kind of starting this time of year to start talking about some of What the improvements if there's a need for it we can certainly and and look at it and install something but Part of that has to be a partnership with the school district And I don't know that that You know, I just don't know the history of it I'm gonna try to channel some of the older engineers who used to work before you did One of the reasons that I've always heard and this is coming from a plan or not an engineer, but One of the reasons that we would always hear is the gay street is a collector street And typically collectors are 30 mile per hour streets In any kind of local street like bras So this is a collector third avenue is a collector gay streets a collector both of them originally had Speed limits set at 30 and now The idea of a school zone was to slow people down More than 10 miles per hour So you put them on the collectors to slow people down from 30 to 20 But if you had a local street the default speed limit on all on all local streets You'll see it as you come into town is 25. So the idea was Don't invest in flashers that slow people down five miles per hour Invest in the ones that slow people down 10 or more miles per hour. So that's was the logic used back then but we've since Changed it all around towns. You'll see other 25 mile per hour streets that have flashers, but it was a slow change But it was one that Has been coming. So that's all I know That's very helpful to understand how to answer your question And the other thing that we've noticed is the principal said that this is the new handicap Entrance to the school and there's absolutely no Um Protection or loading zone at that point. I'm sure they'll they want to speak to you about that I I gotta tell you it'd be nice if they had told us before they installed the handicap ramp. We would have worked with them and So we'll we'll reach out to them. We'll have a chat any other questions for jim I don't know what's the ranking of that? It seems like it should be pretty high So off the top of my head. I don't know. Um, we did just uh publish our crash study for uh up through 2021 From 2016 to 2021. I think we do it in five year every year in a five year cycle Um, I'd have to look at that data and and see what it is Um, but certainly, you know, we we we list intersections Um, based on on speed limit and then we have a the ranking based on an index of Of accidents, so it that is available I'd have to see if the current one has been posted to the to the website But that is public information that's available. So, um, let me give you a card. Um You can get you can email me. I can send you the the that appropriate data That that's what we usually see is is as we see those higher intersections Whether it's signalized or non signalized Those are ones that that go to the top of the list for what we look for for safety improvements after accidents the last one was fleeing the scene after he ran the stop sign and Took a shortcut through my yard and almost hit me in my driveway But uh, he's kind of getting tired of cars laying in my my in my yard When hit my house too, so So this is of the list of unsignalized average daily traffic 3000 to about 12 000 vehicles a day Um gay in longs peak is number 11 on the list So it is on that that the list of of intersections that When we start looking at uh, how we're going to address them. Um, that is one that we would start looking at You know as we move third and gay is one we Mr. Engstad, Mr. Engstad, thank you If I could please um for those that have spoken and asked questions that have not signed in if you could please do so I can add your name to the minutes Uh, and since we're talking about the school And pie in the sky ideas because I know there was a all pine for a little bit north way north north of 21st and then now it turned into speed bumps Was there bbs like in terms of my international experience a lot of schools have You know textured brick ways to actually slow down cars So meaning this, you know that I know that's you know, you're you're you're you're talking about a lot of money No, yeah, but yeah Um, yeah, but you know, we we already got off topic Um, so but just you know pie in the sky ideas And then also, you know shout out to modern roundabouts as well I appreciate always appreciate your comments. Thank you Are looking at a school in a park here along third So I'll ask this question in longmont. Are there any land uses that warrant crosswalks? Without the need for site specific study And as a follow-up, what would it take to put schools and parks into that category? I'm not sure how to answer that except to say that as You know, certainly land uses are taken into into account, but it's more of how much A trip generation they create as far as pedestrians and bicycles And you're talking about two places that really do a lot of that trip generation But talking about an older part of town that was developed, you know 150 plus years ago. So there's a lot of issues going into this but You know, if this were built built today we would definitely we would have A lot of those different things taken care of with the construction of those areas today I don't know again how to answer your question in this context. So I apologize And I I will just say one more thing to you know Because it's a crosswalk isn't marked necessarily It's still a crosswalk. So You still have to stop for anybody who's trying to cross between And that's not a good example because I guess you're saying it's now striped But even if it's not marked it's still Yeah, and that's part of the we talked about that with vision zero I'm sorry. She just said that the cars will not stop at the At the unmarked crosswalks, which they're supposed to do by law But I think that's part of the vision zero process we talked about is the education And that's something we're gonna have to get across to the whole city and that's gonna be tough, right? So go ahead To be to be fair to the drivers Um As as you've described this is kind of an accreted situation that started 150 years ago And the signs that exist Don't ever say crosswalk The the signs are not consistent with the modern safety Design They show a picture of I think a lady and the child So, you know, we we could make a lot of improvement with the with the with a little bit of money Um We appreciate that and I think that's what jim's trying to do with uh with the different markings because you do need to formalize it To bring it out to people to that's part of the education process almost at this point Because people don't know the laws and so that's something we need to do a Better job when we do vision zero is explain that Are there any other questions? If not, we should probably start to reconvene and and uh Finish up the meeting. I don't know How you're hopefully we'll see everybody april 6th. I think we're at the library one of the library rooms. So We'll hopefully see you there and we'll have more staff on hand that will be able to provide Any quite or answer to any questions, yeah more of a one-on-one kind of dynamic I think it's going to be I want to say 5 30 to 7 Is we're gonna we'll have a short presentation to start we're going to update This project as well as some other projects that are in the area. We've talked about before price park tank Coffman street give you update on that And then we'll open it up probably for about an hour of looking at the roll plot and um one-on-one discussion Is there a way for people to email questions ahead of time? So you have an idea of what people are going to be asking so that there's To help steer or yeah, I believe we are when you get the letter there will be Directions to if you have questions ahead of time you can go through our service works website And ask questions and we'll either answer them then or be prepared to answer them at the meeting Good people. Please sign in if they got to speak at all. That would be wonderful. Thanks for doing that I think we got everybody Phil do we want to reconvene? Sure, it's up to you Yeah, I think so We did the the budget discussion are there any any other items from staff that we want to discuss tonight We have some items at the end for upcoming agendas better than that if you want to take member comments or board comment board member comments and council member comment I think that's where we are on the agenda Okay, um We'll start to my right. No, that was fun and jim. Thank you for dealing with me and my my crazy ideas, but I always like to think big And and I do appreciate the comment that you made about the new engineer and being a bit You know thinking outside of The two ton box a little bit sometimes so so that's encouraging to hear especially for for future projects But um You know, that's that's all my thoughts. Thank you Yes, the uh 2021 crash report presented at the board's december meeting Compared longmont to pure communities based on some incomplete and outdated information staff agreed to Revise the crash report. What's the status of that revision? A staff will check up on that and see where we are with all that information. So we'll Um, unfortunately the one staff member is out today usually makes it and she probably she probably could answer that question right here tonight But uh, we'll get back with you at our april meeting and answer that question for you. All right. You do recall the issue at all though Yeah, we have the notes and and We won't just We won't just have it. Um An update on that. We'll have it done by then We'll get make sure I mean it was done last year. We should have had it updated and revised So if it hasn't gotten done because we've gotten distracted by other things, we'll make sure it gets done And our report to you in april will say, oh, yeah, here it is Okay, thanks Council member yarbrough Thank you chair. Um I just want to make sure that um Do you all want me to mention city at during city council meeting tomorrow about the The presentation for third street. Um, I know you're gonna put out send out information But would you like for me to mention that during council comments on tomorrow night? one of one of the the Standard practices we follow is we will be sending out an email invite to city council Uh for that public meeting Uh, that will go out before we do a press release on it Okay, so we we've had that covered via communications Um So, uh, if you'd like to sure but we'll have it covered anyway. So council will be advised of it. Um As we you know similar to you got the email this weekend earlier on friday for the mine When we see press release coming we we send a notice directly to council So they have that information ahead of the press release Yeah, okay. Well, you know friday and saturday were retreat. Nobody looked at their emails I'm a little busy. Um Okay, I just want to make sure because you know, there's always somebody we need to use all measurements of Communication as possible because somebody would say they never knew about it. They didn't see it They didn't know that it was happening. They didn't know all those things were going on Um, I do also just want to reiterate to the board about the capital improvement project Now that I've you know learning so much more that Just because you put out something and you say this is an estimate cost You know, you always have to come back because of adjustments or modifications and things like that um, and I totally Get it and understand um vision zero uh I'm in support of vision zero. I already had the city ordered those, uh, light up bracelets. So So, um I I I can't speak for all my other my co-counselors, but I'm totally 100 percent in support of preventative measurements In order to keep our pedestrians and all of our community safe It's possible in the number one thing uh, the key For that preventative is education and community engagement And so I think for the board is to continuously think about Some some ways that we can engage our community about this new Opportunity for us for all community members because we all have to play a part You know, just we can't assume like Over the on broths and third that there's a school and people have common sense to slow down during the school That doesn't happen common sense. It's not so common all the time So we do have to educate people because we do have so many people that are moving in our wonderful city To live here So it's important and so if you all as a board can come up with some suggestions and Uh, about how we can engage the community and communicate with them in a more effect that effective and efficient way Please we take all suggestions so that we can start putting that in place You know when we adopt that plan But just know that councilwoman yopro is on board for vision zero And thank you all for what you do everything. Yeah, you got your bracelet Yeah, you know the Only thing I want to add is I'm really heartened by the fact that we had so many citizens come in today And and that's advocacy right there that hopefully they're gonna go out and and talk about things Like vision zero And councilmember yopro's words are true is is that community engagement is probably going to get as far as In terms of the the results of vision zero then all the changes you can make design-wise to Signs and and and roundabouts whatever might be So I'm heartened by that that that they showed up today And and maybe from that that would be a seed that we would we would have folks talk about vision zero And I completely agree with you and I do think we should brainstorm on what are the ways that we can create community engagement around vision zero Because I hate to say it. I think traditionally the What the saturday morning coffees and some of the other things As they're tried and true, but they're tried and true with the same crowd So how are we going to engage folks that would not normally engage? Especially was something that's so critical about mobility transportation is talking about equity So, um, I I guess it's going to be an ongoing project and and we're going to have to work And I know we've mentioned how much community engagement has been built into vision zero I remember the conversation when we had about vision vision zero prior So that's all I'll say about that, but I think tonight was was a good success for not having votes and So with that since we don't really have to do any sort of Um Wet second and motion we'll go ahead and end this meeting and Yes, phil you want to add? Just want to make sure we have your follow-up items for the next agenda Kind of list it out so we can kind of put it on record um Actually typically in april we do an rtd update So that's typically when you have rtd come, but I think our april schedule is so full We might want to postpone that off a month or two so um We did get the update on gay street that you wanted to hear about so we've got that on our schedule We want to talk about The transportation mobility plan and how it works with the enhanced multi-use corridors and and maybe a little bit more discussion On how the plans will kind of come together with that and vision zero And then there is the vision zero resolution that you've asked for As well as the update on the crash report and making sure we get the crash report to you incorrectly finalized so Those are the Big four issues that we have and again, I think we'll push rtd off just one more month and Work it into your schedule that way That seems appropriate. Okay. Just wanted to confirm. Thank you Okay, I guess we're adjourned Do we want to discuss board recruitment or I think we'll need to do that at the april meeting as well I think that's a good addition to start the discussion and figure out How we put that together who wants to be on the on the interview committee if it's One two three or four of you. I think two was I think actually two is effective when it was a council member I was born and myself But the openings are listed On the prime gov sub longmont site. Is that correct? All right, we should have probably done a little bit more sales job with the people who are all here in the audience Probably should have so hopefully they can still hear us out there, but um, maybe throw a banner up on the website, you know Transportation board needs you, you know, that's for everything Perfect. Did we get that on the record because that was really good. Yeah, okay. I think we're adjourned