 Okay, so no countdown because I forgot to do that and it's fine But yeah, it's Friday, it's been kind of a crazy week we've been busy with a lot of different things around here at reclaim, but But yeah, how are you doing Amanda? doing good It's been it's been a week both out reclaim and at home for us dealing with you know, Fresh baby and daycare germs. So Yeah, welcoming weekend Same same been daycare germs here too. Just not for a fresh baby In our case a four-year-old so but Yeah We are kind of we're here to talk about press books on reclaim hosting You and I have I'm gonna call it a storied history maybe overselling it of Looking at press books on reclaim hosting But I was just looking through our peer tube and and We had a I guess four-part stream in my head. It was three but we we did four four parts on this and and I see I see pilot you're welcome to join us and and and Hey pilot Yeah, sorry, I'm running a little late this morning. Oh, yeah, no problem. This is informal. This is this is this is Friday hangout time Oh, I'm banking on that. Yeah, I Forgot to do the countdown. So, you know, it's it is what it is. Yeah so so I was saying Man and I were talking about we've done a few things on press books before on informal streams And and I think we learned a lot from these I mean, I certainly did about kind of what was required to Have all of the press books functionality Including important export stuff There was a lot of noodling and around at the command line and figuring out you know, what did what and since then I've started doing more work on our actual press books installer that we offer to a few Domain and one's own schools that want it So I've between these streams and the installer become much more familiar with press books and there's a lot of stuff in here that I Don't I I've found easier ways to do basically so And and Basically, what's what's amount to this is over the last I don't know month or so I've worked on this Brand new Article that we have called manually installing press books got a super catchy name, you know We're all about the clickbait help center articles here Yeah So basically this just walk you through everything you'd need to know about running press books on either shared hosting domain of one's own Reclaim cloud or upcoming reclaim press. We don't have like reclaim press specific stuff in here But I'll be able to pretty easily adapt the reclaim cloud stuff as soon as we have that service launched Because a lot of it is very similar. So Basically, this goes through and says alright like first thing you need to do is you need to know what version of wordpress You need and what version of PHP you need? This is something Amanda and I learned probably the hard way On the last streams is it is very picky about those two things and to be fair like they say that in their In places in their documentation, but but it is more picky than most other like WordPress plugins and you know probably for good reason they do a lot of modification of the WordPress dashboard and things so you need to use the versions they suggest and You know we go through I go through okay. Well, how do we do this? How do we install, you know a blank WordPress site and PHP? How do we do the themes and plugins and then we talk about server dependencies in this article? Which is specifically a reclaim cloud only thing so you can run Pressbooks on shared hosting but you won't be able to do some some imports and Most export functionality, so you won't be able to make PDFs e-pubs Open documents, which is like LibreOffice and OpenOffice compatible and Some of the specialized XML formats are also not available there But you know if you just want to make a book and publish the web version of it It'll it'll work on shared hosting just fine. So But then we've got a section on the reclaim cloud specific stuff So I'm not going to go through all this because we're going to show it, right, but Yeah, this this stream is kind of about hey, we've got this new resource. I think it if you compare it to what we Amanda and I were looking at pressbooks.org has some user guide on installing it manually and Obviously they have to gear this towards like you could be hosting this anywhere so it's It's it's accurate, but it's a little complicated and we wanted to make something that was Little bit easier to follow for reclaim folks Yeah, I also found a lot of steps in here that I'm not sure are necessary anymore I think they maybe just have them in there for safety But there's a lot of things in here. You just don't need to do so yeah I love that we've been able we that you've been able to take a fresh look at these instructions and You know Audit them in a way for like actual use case Present use case I feel because there's Like you're saying there's lots of things have changed in the time since these were written and that's the beauty of being able to go in and Work on it kind of openly well and again, you know I don't want to I don't want to be I Don't want to oversimplify, you know part of the reason we can do this is because we know the environment that you would be Installing it on on reclaim cloud or reclaim hosting shared hosting service right so I Can make some assumptions for instance? There's a whole section here and this is Of how to define where Various server dependencies are installed and I found that if If you install them in the default locations That pressbooks recommends Then you don't even need to put this stuff in WP config you can just skip that whole part It will just automatically find them so When I'm building the the instructions for reclaim cloud I can just make it so that we do Install them in the default locations, and then you don't need to go dig into WP config and you don't need to do anything there. In fact, I'm really kind of happy to say that this entire Tutorial requires no command line usage and no text file editing That's super cool. Yeah, so let's get to it I guess so we're gonna install it on my shared hosting account and on reclaim cloud simultaneously I forgot that I had I'm actually gonna delete this I had I was thinking about having a WordPress site ready to go But I'd rather actually show front to back the whole thing on stream. So First thing we need to do according to the instructions is Find the required WordPress version and PHP version. So the best way to do this is just go to their github page And right on the read me file There's a requirement section. So it says press books works with PHP 8.1 and WordPress 6.2.2 So lower versions are not supported. I would recommend going exactly with the version they specify Sometimes you can use a newer version of of WordPress then is Specified but I think that's kind of living on the edge that that can get problematic You'll you the good news is it will it will tell you it'll say like hey This does not work and it will actually deactivate the plugin The bad news is the plugin is deactivated. So your entire press book site from the front end is like not visible anymore So it's not you don't want to do that. Just use the version. They specifically say I will also say if you happen to be doing this with an older version of press books Like say you're like alright 6.15.0. That's the latest version I want to go and find out that information for an older versions like 6.9.2 The best way I can find to do this is to literally just download that old version the zip file and open it up and In there is the main plugin file. I'm just going to show this on github But it'll be in there this press books dot PHP file and On lines nine and ten it'll have the requirements there as well And I do mention this in the the article So if you happen to be looking at like oh, what is the version I need for six dot three or whatever You can find that information. Unfortunately. I don't really have that listed by version anywhere else, but it's fine This is that's one way to do it So We need eight point one six dot two dot two so step two We need to set the PHP version and install a blank WordPress multi-site So we're gonna do this on cloud first and that's just because cloud does take like four ish minutes to Install a blank WordPress site and it's actually a little bit faster on shared hosting because I'm cloud We're making an entire environment and everything so Yep We're adding in cloud too, right? Well, this one actually do the dependencies dependencies will come later, but Yeah, it's just the nature of containerized hosting basically it takes longer where you can think of like When when shared hosting is installing something it's just downloading some files and creating a database when cloud is installing something it's basically creating an entire Linux environment Installing all of the things into that Linux environment kind of and then it's create downloading some files and creating a database So it's just got more work to do. It's like fully making a server. Oh, it totally is. Yeah, tiny server. Okay. Yeah Reasonable it's pretty reasonable. Yeah so Marketplace and then we're gonna search for WordPress I'm gonna use a standalone kit. I will say I've only tested this on the standalone kit I have not I have not done it with like multi-region or anything. I Wouldn't recommend that personally. I I don't think that'll be necessary for most people's press books, excuse me press books instances We run some really large sites on the standalone kit like really I Think it's possibly some of the largest WordPress multi sites in the world At least in the higher-end space, so I'm not gonna say the most but some of the most So we need to pick our PHP version from here, so we're gonna pick 8.1 We also need to check this Multi-site network box so that we get a multi-site again. This is listed in the thing And then we hit install that's that's kind of it for for this first step I'm gonna give it a name of PB Yeah, how about that? Let's install it in Canada. Why not? And then I'm just gonna dismiss that for now Okay, we're gonna do the same thing on shared hosting So over here if I go to my cPanel Then WordPress install Oh, I just I'm just now noticing we actually have a few comments in the reclaim TV Chat. Oh, yeah Shout out to Steven and Eric. Hey guys Um Okay, so I'm gonna pick a domain for it to go on so I just have a demo subdomain that I use for all kinds of stuff So I'm gonna do that I'm actually gonna put this in a sub directory because I don't I have a site at at the top of it It's a beautiful site with a picture of my dog from a long time ago Yeah, she's she's like two in this picture three maybe Um, anyway So we're gonna install this in demo dot jayden.me slash press books. We do need to pick the version, right? We need six dot two dot two. We're gonna get to the version stuff and reclaim cloud in a second and Accept this license I actually recommend on shared hosting to hit do not automatically update. I almost never ever recommend this otherwise but We don't want Installatron to automatically move us up to press book to wordpress six dot three dot one or whatever That 30 no three dot one Because it may not be compatible So when you want to do updates on your press book site and shared hosting You'll just have to go into install atron and hit the little update button when you're ready. So These other options are okay Because it's actually not going to touch the press books plugins and themes Because they're manual, I'm gonna make an admin account My press book sites just another press book site got to do it Hold this joke and hosting We need to enable multi sites So we do need to hit that box and then we'll hit install Okay, so That's going ahead right now our WordPress site on Cloud is still going See which one wins. I think shared hosting may still win even though we gave it a cloud a head start, but that's okay It's just real fast. There's not a whole lot. Yeah, you can do well I mean, it's kind of the beautiful thing about lamp stack, right? Is That there's there's downsides like the actual hosting experience is not always as fast, right? But It is efficient in that you get to you get to host a lot of sites from one server, right? Yeah, so that's pretty cool. It's good at doing what it does for sure Okay, so press books are sorry WordPress is installed here on shared hosting. We've got the right version We do need to go check our PHP version So I need to go into the multi PHP manager in cPanel This is something we got to specify on Cloud and in shared hosting we have to do it from this other tool So we need a point one. You can tell I was testing a lot It's I've already said it to a point one. I'm just gonna do it again for the sake of the stream It's not gonna hurt anything All right, so now that whole subdomain Including my press book site is running PHP 8.1 If you have multiple Sites on a subdomain that need different PHP versions. I'm not gonna cover that in the stream here because we got a lot to cover in the next 40 minutes but There are ways to do that I'll just say there are ways to do that. It does require editing your hd access files manually though Most of the time we recommend here at reclaimed to separate things out onto different subdomains. It's just cleaner And you get to use tools like this to set your PHP version Okay, so let's go back to Installation here and let's let's log in to My WordPress site Great, so we're good to go here. We have a clean WordPress site. That's ready for us Okay, and cloud is done So here I'm gonna need this password And I'm gonna log in with my email address So let me go. There's the WordPress site And if I log in right now We're gonna find that we're actually running the latest version of WordPress. It's small So you probably can't read this but it says version six dot three dot one We need six dot two dot two. So we have to actually change our WordPress version We now have an add-on to do this. This was not something that was built in Before yesterday So we're gonna cross our fingers to make sure that I didn't make any mistakes I will say I have tested this but I've not shown it on a stream before so We've got this new add-on here called replace slash upgrade WordPress core files And we're gonna hit install and then we're just gonna tell it what version we want six dot two dot two And we're gonna hit install and it's going to actually downgrade WordPress to six dot two dot two That's it Let's refresh our page here. We may have to log in again guess not and We are now on an older version of WordPress. So it says learn more about the six dot two dot two version. So cool It's funny, I do have to upgrade the network even it's technically a downgrade but This is just a database updates that have to happen have to happen when you change WordPress versions so Not I'll say not essential when there's literally no content on your site yet But I'll also just go in I'll hit update on this a kismet plug-in. We're not really gonna use it, but Love that. Hello. Dolly's in there It's essential. I mean, how do you run a WordPress site without it? So okay, so we've got We are both at the same place here. So on both cloud and Shared hosting if you were happening to look at the instructions here We are we've sort of left ourselves off in the same place. So now we just need to install the press book themes and plug-in I Would recommend just using the WordPress tools the theme Panel and the plug-in paid theme page and plug-in page to do this. So the first thing we're gonna do is we're gonna get the McClellan, which is the the book theme and Aldean Aldi Which is like the front-end site theme. So I'm gonna just download these Actually gonna clear out my downloads folder really quick. So probably have a bunch of old versions of the theme here I'm maybe about to just totally reveal my ignorance here How so these are the ones that are available through press books other other Press books official stuff and also where there are other third-party stuff like There are some third-party themes for press books books. I have not run into many of them But Yeah, I don't want to speak I don't want to say anything wrong But I've seen seen mostly a couple other schools that have done press books theme development There are also other themes from press books themselves So I even say here as well as any other book themes you would like to use this is just linking to press books is Repository on github or organization on github and there are some other themes here There are some that are no longer maintained, but do still work Like Austin Classic and Fitzgerald. There's Clark Jacobs Yeah, and Donham We're just gonna do the two required ones for now But you could install all of these if you wanted to the same way we're about to In the chat it says by the way that there used to be more contributors to sort of the open Yeah, the PC campus is what I was doing of yeah, and we actually Still maintain we still include the open textbook theme in our Installer that that some schools pay for just because we have schools that use it But it is no longer updated. So it's one of those things where like it works right now. I Don't know how long it'll be maintained and will work in the future but Yeah, so we're gonna install those themes. This isn't like installing any other theme zip file So that which is to say it's not in the theme repository. We have to upload the zip file But it's not too hard to do so I'm gonna go here. This is my reclaim cloud site We are going to add new upload theme browse You can't see my browse window because I'm only sharing my That's browser tab the eternal pain of wanting to be like very like no this window and only this window and then going Oh, but sometimes Yeah, there's a pop-up or something, but I trust you all you just have to select the file That we're not gonna network enable this for now. We're gonna go back to the themes page It's not gonna break anything if you do it's just easier to not Because it's not gonna fully work without everything else. So I did the all-team theme. I'm also gonna do the book theme or McClellan Ed's also noting that McClellan incorporates a lot of stuff from open textbook. Oh cool Because it's in the newest version It it will take a bit to install the book theme the book theme is It's a big theme. There's a lot going on in it. It's doing it's it's a lot of what press books is right so in terms of Displaying content in the way that it does so we've got our two required themes here. We're now going to do the plug-in and Same kind of deal. We just need to go get the latest release from github grab the zip file Upload it in chat Steven asked where the zip files came from We you can get them through github. Yes github They're linked to in the support doc that I'm Following here. So Steven. I'm gonna link it in the chat here just because you probably can't actually see the URL but Instructions and link to press books Plug-in So that'll be better to follow along with later So, all right, so I got the plug-in zip I'm gonna go to the plug-ins page and WordPress. Oh I I just realized I don't know if I demoed this properly, but make sure if you haven't done a lot with WordPress multi-site you need to be looking at the network admin, right because that's the only place that lets you install themes and plugins The the doc does mention this, but I didn't on the stream. So Add new upload plug-in browse and I'm gonna grab the the press books zip file This is just press books six dot fifteen dot zero dot zip and install it The nice thing is this same process will work for upgrading later So if you want to move, you know Let's say in a month or two to a new version of press books and the new version of themes You just do the same thing again. You just download the themes from github the same links that I linked to will work and Upload them and when you upload them WordPress will say do you want to upgrade this plug-in? You say yep It's pretty slick And like I said, this is it's nice because you don't have to do anything from the command line here so So we uploaded the press books plug-in and now we're gonna Activate it So I'm just gonna hit the network activate button right here as long as it's there and it's actually going to Automatically in more recent versions of press books. It's actually gonna automatically use the oops It's automatically gonna use the themes where Necessary it's just something that I found I keep going to the wrong place so if I go here There you'll you'll notice that it says 2023 is enabled. It's not really true So I can actually just go in and in Network enable McClellan and Aldine But you don't even technically have to do that on the most recent versions of press books in my testing so and for themes Networking because network enabling a plug-in means that it becomes mandatory everywhere themes network enabling them It it's it's not quite the same thing. Yeah, but but on press books. It's kind of managed for you. So I'm press There's a concept of the site theme which is Aldine and Book themes which would be McClellan and other ones you install So the book themes become available to the site to book maintainers to use So if I just go here and to the front page here we go, here's my press book site So this is on cloud. There's nothing here yet. Obviously, but it's here I'm gonna do the same thing. I just did on shared hosting really quick So yeah, I should say really quick It's a little slower on shared hosting because there's the uploading the themes takes a little bit longer But it does work So first I actually need to go to network admin themes add new upload browse All Dean will grab the book theme. It's always crazy to me how much you guys have Just the the press book streams that you guys did this Just always kind of blow my mind In in terms of how much we didn't know going into those streams Yeah, well, I mean that was the process right like the whole point of those streams is like we don't really know like Amanda has some experience using press books and I have really no experience with press books but some experience with You know wordpress Basically, and let's figure out what we can figure out and we got it working So, you know in some ways this stream is like hey, it's almost it's not quite a year ago But it's almost a year ago. Let's Since then what have we learned and how can we make this easy, right? So that's why I'm excited about this this is kind of like payoff from those streams of like all right So that was if anyone watched those they were probably painful to watch right But this Taylor's redemption song. Yeah, yes Just hanging out Yeah, actually I am gonna take this opportunity to put in a plug For Open publishing ecosystems because we're waiting for the upload to happen. We're gonna be spending December talking about Not so much press books because we have now at least five streams on press books But we're gonna be talking about some other open publishing platforms also Yeah, yeah, we're excited about that still still the details are kind of coming together on it and everything but We'll we'll have more information and Artemis decided she wants to be on the stream Decided that by climbing up my gene leg like the my leg which was painful But worth it. Look at that. I'll look at that Um, yes, yeah Alright, so we're in the same spot now on shared hosting in cloud I feel like I should have thought of this better It's probably a little confusing to be jumping back and forth between shared hosting and cloud, but you know, I We didn't really feature shared hosting in our last streams Much so I want to show that hey, here's what works and what doesn't work, you know on both Because that was definitely a question we got is like, okay, you did it on the cloud and that's cool But like what if I just wanted to do have like two books on my shared hosting account, which I think is a completely valid question. So All right, so we've got if we go to our instructions We've got completely all the way up to A step we're right at step four now. So basically on shared hosting. This is kind of where we're done so there is if I go to my shared hosting account here, I can go make a book and If I make just a test book here book Yeah Okay, so I've seen some discussion about OJS But I have I have seen a few shared hosting folks use OJS But I personally don't have a lot of experience with it I don't know in a manner if you've used it at all or even I don't really even know much about it But I I have seen people use it basically My open publishing experience is limited to what I've heard other people say for the most part No, I haven't used OJS personally when I was in open publishing press books was the thing But yeah, Ed mentioned in the chat that it did come up during a reclaim open maybe by Kathleen Yeah, we were we don't have a plan to include OJS in the Flex course, but definitely something for us to revisit especially since it seems like there's a couple people who know stuff about it Yeah, we we we have a lot of tools that we're featuring in the flex course possibly too many and Too much is never enough So what we're what we're kind of hoping to do the sampling we have is Like kind of out there like they're all very different use cases Sort of on purpose So I do think it would be cool to take a look at OJS in the future But I don't know that we'll be able to get to it in like a get in a dedicated week in open publishing ecosystems I do know that We do kind of have plans for the community chat that month to sort of pull in the stuff We're talking about with open publishing ecosystems and kind of make it part of the Course a little bit and so that could be a kind of a nice time to talk about like okay Well, what about the tools we didn't cover, you know Pressbooks will be featured in there for sure because we we're not gonna dedicate much time to press books during that course It's all about sort of alternative tools Pretty sure we're gonna link to this stream and be like if you want to talk about if you want us to hear us talk about press books We did yeah, I also want to bring in make sure we have some people there who are you know Pressbooks Fans who are who are used to using it quite a bit Ed here. This is your open invitation make it to that Or to make it to that community chat and and I'll try to I'm gonna try to round up a few different people who are Doing this stuff at schools to as they can talk about their experience I've completely and totally derailed us. I was only meaning to cover the dead air happening while we uploaded files And now we're talking about something totally different. Let's go back to press books guys. This is this is how the streams work So I've got a book here. It's on shared hosting. It's content-rich, you know, I've got an entire chapter Of all this riveting stuff. Yeah, it's great. So I can make a book, right? Not everything is going to work though because we don't have Some of the third-party dependencies and it actually is nice if you go to the export page here It's gonna tell you what's not gonna work. So it's gonna say hey PDF print PDF EPUB XHTML open doc HTML book each TML book none of those are gonna work What this means for you basically is on shared hosting press books is not able to export into any I'm gonna call them offline formats, right? So it can export as WordPress XML and press books XML and common cartridges Which are all formats to go to some other system, right? Press books XML would be to another press book site WordPress XML would be to just take the content and bring it to another WordPress site and common cartridge LMS and LMS adjacent tools basically So that those are options And but but the other ones aren't gonna work But that being said it's still a good option if the PDF export is not a vital or EPUB export is not a vital part of your workflow or maybe you have You know, maybe you're just wanting to grab copies of books to start working on them Like you want to clone a book, which is something you can do in press books I have tested cloning books on shared hosting. It works fine I can't say that I've comprehensively tested hundreds of books, but I have cloned like 10 So they seem to work fine So that's kind of where our shared hosting journey ends we have press books. It's here Some things I would recommend if you're gonna run shared Press books on shared hosting. I would recommend installing a caching plug-in like WP supercache That's just because press books and WordPress multi-site are a little bit heavier And so if your books get a lot of traffic, you don't want them to be slow Caching plug-ins help with that immensely on shared hosting So we do have article on how to install caching plug-ins if piloter man if you want to I'll grab it. Yeah, that would be awesome So that's there we go Now on cloud so on cloud we are you know, we have press books ready to go We actually have a caching plug-in here, too Just because we clean cloud automatically deploys one as part of WordPress But Yeah, we we have a basic setup here if I go and make a book and Write a new chapter I just added the title of the doc as a banner so link is in the chat But if you people want to search it This is what you'd search cool So I have a chapter With just a chapter heading I guess And if I go read my book here, you know, there we go So If I try to export this we're gonna see something similar at the moment To shared hosting. Well, this is my shared hosting press books. I need to close some tabs here All right, so if I go back to the admin side And go to export We're gonna notice a lot of the same stuff is missing. So not all though. They're actually Reclaim cloud containers come with XML lint ready to go And so these options for X HTML and HTML book are available I don't actually know a lot about those formats. Maybe someone in the chat does Like what you would do with them I guess is what I'm saying But they are here and Technically an option now We do though and reclaim cloud have the ability to install other Dependencies because we're in our own container and you have control over it So if I go to my dashboard and go back to my add-ons here Just for the sake of instruction I'm gonna close it the add-ons menu here if I go to a particular node and reclaim cloud and and Go to add-ons. This is what I'm talking about. We have a new add-on called install press books dependencies So if I hit install it's gonna say hey, this is gonna install EPUB check Saxon and Prince XML Can install the non-commercial license free version of Prince XML You should check out the end user license agreement to see if this is going to work for you and your use case In terms of are you selling your book and stuff like that? I'm not going to read this License agreement. Well, obviously we are not going to determine for you whether your use case fits this So you should do that And if you do need a license you can buy one from Prince XML and they have instructions on how to install it Which will work on reclaim cloud just as written here. You basically just copy their license file to the right place Next week's stream will just be us reading the Prince XML. You loud loud. Oh, that's it. That's the whole thing Let's all just make like coffee and tea and we'll do, you know, eighth grade social studies style We'll do popcorn reading of a license agreement. I was thinking a Prince XML ASMR God Probably would put you to sleep That's true. Yeah, right at nine in the morning on Friday or 10. I guess you guys this time So that's how the item works it just works It just installs all of those dependencies it mentioned and it links back to this article That we are already looking at just in case someone stumbled upon this so Now if I go back to My export and refresh all of my options are available to me and Also, if I go to the bottom here, press books has this nice diagnostics page And you can actually look through a bunch of different stuff and use the dependencies. Whoops the dependence Okay The dependencies section don't try to highlight text in here. It's gonna be a bad time E pub check XML and Prince XML Saxon HE all there so Now if I try and export my book now, there's nothing really in this book, right, but I can let's grab digital PDF E pub That's that's good for now. Those are kind of the main ones. I think for most people. I could see open doc I was gonna say Open office is underappreciated. Yeah, I mean I use open office. I don't use it a lot, but it's The office suite I have one. I'm not using Google Docs. So Okay, so PDF E pub HTML book HTML book right right away so I can hit download on these And check them out When it decides to open there we go The free version of Prince XML does have a little watermark only on the first page, which is I think really nice of them, honestly and Yeah, you've got your your chapters and It's it's a thing it works So that's how to do it on cloud, you know Really if you're to sum these up like there's a lot of instructions here because I did want to be detailed we've had folks ask us about this enough that I I really wanted to make sure we had a detailed and Sorry a thorough yet easy to follow guide here But really what we're talking about is we need a certain version of PHP and WordPress We need to install and use those certain versions of PHP and WordPress Then we need to install the two required themes and one required plug-in and That and then you have press books if you need an export Exporting capabilities you will want to do this on reclaimed cloud and then you can use that add-on to To go To do that stuff so I think I'm excited about this because this is a lot easier than the I think four Ish hours than that Amanda and I spent kind of Figuring this out initially when we were just sort of you know trying how can we make this work? So in that aspect I think that's already cool right But what I'm particularly excited about and I know we've talked a lot in the last couple weeks if you've been to community chats and stuff and streams about reclaim press and Jim is really putting in a lot of time right now to make that a service that we can get up I'm just gonna say soon because I don't really even have a concept of like What is all necessary from like the infrastructure side of things a lot of that's in place already But we have a lot of other things to do But you know running this on reclaimed cloud is one thing and really cool I think and is pretty accessible But I think we as a company are really excited about the possibilities of reclaim press Being even easier to spin up WordPress sites and cheaper too and so I think you know, I Think this is going to be a Pretty good option for folks who want to run especially small Pressbook sites and are okay with doing some you know testing and on upgrades because that's the thing is it's you know You're gonna have to upgrade pressbooks and it has those Requirements over time but to get up and running with one and have all of the export functionality for you know, basically similar pricing to a shared hosting account, I think is going to be Compelling for a lot of folks And something I'm really excited about and a lot of this work that I just did to make this work seamlessly and reclaim cloud Those add-ons that we've developed those will be available in press in reclaim press as well So you don't have to do command line work to do print sex ML Yeah, we have a question in the chat about HTTPS Which I can sort of answer for sure hosting Steven was wondering When you're setting up, do you how do you make sure that it's on HTTPS and for shared hosting when you're installing an app There's that little drop-down menu and you pick the domain that you want and you could pick a version with HTTPS Yep, and the server is auto generating certificates for your account in the background. So it should Yeah, leave that Technically one will get Issued whether or not you pick that what that option does is it sets a redirect up to force loading over HTTPS Now I say that there are exceptions So if if if for some reason if your DNS is not managed by our name servers, that doesn't happen in the same way kind of For for certain types of sites in general though, yes, it's completely automatic And then the HTTPS option is what you want because it will force loading over HTTPS Which on the modern web is is what you probably should do um The on the cloud it's just going to be over HTTPS There there is it's going the WordPress standalone kit is Automatically going to try and issue a let's encrypt certificate if it can't it'll load over normal HTTP Might say why couldn't it what like when when is that not an option? I'm trying to think off the top of my head if you Don't if you didn't map DNS correctly is when it couldn't and that's that's basically the same as on shared hosting You don't have to you can you can point a domain from another service You don't have to use our name servers or our registrar, but there are cases where it doesn't work That are not interesting or worthwhile getting into right now because for 98 percent of people it will just work Okay, and if it doesn't you can definitely put a ticket in we'll look at it Also a different throwback in the chat. We were talking earlier about like what HTML export what X HTML export and HTML look are about and Ed Ed's got our back X HTML is The export that is the basis for all the other exports and it's just plain HTML So you can use it for a lot of stuff. Oh, and then HTML book is An older thing that was meant for cross compatibility and export ability, but people weren't really using that standard So it's still there, but it's not very used Yeah, and I Yeah, the the HTML book thing is really interesting because there's a lot you could you could do with that You know like theoretically Depending on your authoring needs you could use press books as just like an authoring tool and Then like shut your press book site down when you're not using it to author and then just host the PDF and EPUB and HTML book on Domain in one's own shared hosting, right? Which is the one that was static H2 I think HTML is static HTML. Okay. Yes, you know, I mean like there's a lot of you could think of press books as sort of like a Authoring suite that you run and then turn off For just generate when you're not using it. I've never seen anyone do it that way and you would lose, you know The ability for folks to clone your book and stuff like that But I don't know you could do that so Pressbooks is awesome for authoring. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's what a lot of what you used it for Amanda, right? Yeah Apparently one of the original versions of press books had an export so that you could Export it and then pull it into Adobe and finish it in design, huh? Yeah I In a past life, I did a lot of I did some Mac administration work and had to support Adobe on Macs And I will say and I'm talking from that and talking to other people who did more in-depth versions of that work Indesign's file format is Weird and like bricks every with every major version in my experience like you can't open an Old InDesign doc in a newer version without upgrading the file And then if so like say you've got in InDesign 2019 and I've got InDesign 2020. We essentially can't collaborate Okay, that must have been not a lot of fun for them to support if I had to guess That's InDesign for you. Yeah, I I don't have a lot of love for InDesign in particular It makes pretty things yeah, well it can not if I use it it wouldn't be an InDesign file apparently Oh, it wouldn't be okay, maybe it's using some open format then Okay, for import. Yeah, like SVG. You're well that'd be more illustrator. I don't know that much about desktop publishing I'm gonna stop speculating on it. I do remember that you had that It's not open, but it is that Affinity Adobe Yeah The it's an Adobe alternative. That's the affinity suite Yes, and Affinity I Have the three apps from them photo is their Photoshop alternative and I really like that one designer is their Illustrator alternative and it's it's possibly good, but I just don't use it and Publisher is their InDesign alternative and again, it might be good, but I don't use it and you can buy them in a bundle for like they go on sale frequently and their one-time license fee per you know major version so I Bought version two this year actually And I had version one for like seven years and I paid like a hundred bucks for it So it was very much worth the money. It's not it's not gonna do everything the Adobe suite does obviously like, you know Adobe is constantly updating their stuff. They have like generative AI features now I don't think Affinity will be fast to incorporate those because their business model doesn't really allow for that type of iteration They're not your size company, etc But it is really good for someone like me who needs to edit a photo like once a month Okay Yeah, well I appreciate a Pilot in Amanda. I appreciate you both joining me here and I appreciate everyone that tuned in and asked questions This is the whole point is to make these better So thanks Check out the dock Send me feedback if you find things that are wrong or just like typos I guess because I'm not a great writer and Yeah, and hopefully this is helpful. Um, I Really excited about This option because we get asked about press books all the time and up to now our answer was sort of like we have this installer And if you don't want to pay for that You know, I don't know So hopefully this is helpful for people Yeah, we had a great chat today, but yeah, thanks for the chat everyone. Mm-hmm. Yeah, all right Thanks for letting me crush your party Taylor and I'm in