 from Seattle, Washington. It's theCUBE on the ground. Covering KubeCon 2016, brought to you by the Linux Foundation and Red Hat. Here's your host, John Furrier. Hey, we are here in Seattle for a special Kube on the Ground coverage of CloudNativeCon and KubeCon, really born out of the KubeCon last year now called CloudNativeCon. Really great event, dynamic, a lot of developers here. This is where the players are. It's really, one of those events is really special and we've been here all day, getting kicked out of the room. The party's going to kick off at seven o'clock. There's an election going on. The numbers are crazy. And of course we have the CEO of CoreOS, Alex Polvy, who's here, has been on theCUBE many times, CoreOS, one of the main players in what is the biggest trend of the past few years that has really catapulted Cloud and the developers together. Certainly in the enterprise and Cloud as containers and now Kubernetes, great to see you. You guys have been in the heart of the battle and part of the growth in the journey. It's been a battle, it's been fun. You have scar tissue, you guys have, Docker's been out there, you guys have been there. You've been at war, you've been friends, it's frenemies and so in the spirit of growth, this is what's happening in the industry but more than ever, now you're starting to see an acceleration. An acceleration with Kubernetes as a catalyst. Your thoughts on this trend because now the container Mojo is out there, people get it. They see the value. Now they go, okay, with Kubernetes, this brings me a primitive, an abstraction that I could work with. How is that changing the game right now? I think we're going through the biggest transformation we've seen in infrastructure since Cloud was invented. So you have it on these cycles and Cloud, while Amazon has been going for what, 10 years now almost, right? And so naturally you'll see things emerge and what's happening now as a, this kind of new layer popping out and containers and distributed systems are I believe are the next major area of infrastructure investment beyond Cloud itself. So talk about the open source community role here because now you're starting to see the open source community get on this. We had Jim Walker who was on, who works in your team. Hortonworks kind of knows the big data space seen that movie before. Commenting that most of the people born after 2000 don't even know what loading Linux on a machine is, but they're born Cloud native. And so this is a new dynamic that Cloud gives more options for invention a theme we're hearing here, solving these unknown problems, creating value. So whoever can give me the best speedboat to that wins, right? I mean, this is what we're seeing. Your thoughts on the community's role in propelling and keeping in check by the way any potentially bad behavior. Sure, I think the open source community that we have around Kubernetes and kind of all the cloud native work, it's great for a number of reasons. One, we've kind of threw a cloud native computing foundation and kind of just a conscious effort to have really a kind of company neutral open source ecosystem has caused a adoption of all this stuff. It's becoming like a Linux or becoming, I think OpenStack has actually did a pretty good job of this of creating a very vendor neutral ecosystem around it. And we're doing it again around Kubernetes and the associated projects around it. One of the big things that's going on here is it has driven out of the spirit of technical excellence as well. Like these open source projects are the real deal. They're great pieces of software that are being built. So I think the combination of this community as well as software actually being a great piece of technology coming out of it is really gonna propel it forward. We had Dan Kahn earlier who's executive director. He talked about the IETF and how that was shaped some of the early internet standards. We looked at some of the architectural decisions and it was no dogma. I mean dogma kills communities and they don't want that. So they're gonna create a separation. It was always gonna be dogma at some level as conflict but conflict is discourse is good in communities at some level. What is that vision for the technical excellence now because it certainly is a race. Your thoughts there and certainly we've seen this playbook on Docker has trying to go for that management orchestration layer. You guys have a strategy. People will have to make money. At some point the playbooks have to change from being would you subservice and support. We have an open core and we're gonna try to do some mangling of licensing. Your thoughts on how people are gonna make money. Yeah, I mean so on this open community side of things I have a crazy theory for you and I think this one's a little bit further out. That's okay. Things are happening on the election that I blew my mind. I thought Hitler's gonna win by a landslide. Go crazy. So Amazon has actually become both one of the biggest proponents of open source software. It's one of the places where you can get open source databases and open source Linux and all the stuff as easily as possible. At the same time if you're an open source company they're one of your biggest threats because you're worried that Amazon is just going to go build your service. I mean look we've seen it across every open source company that has any reasonable amount of traction. Amazon will just go build a service that competes with it. Now the tricky thing with Amazon is all their APIs and management are very Amazon specific and there aren't ways to get it in other ways. We've kind of seen this game before similar to how there's Microsoft and Windows with Linux. I believe that Amazon might be kind of becoming this such a powerhouse and so dominated in this space that you're gonna almost see an open source backlash around it. And I could see Kubernetes being a key part of that. In the same way that we talk about Kubernetes as a Linux for the distributed system it's in a way like an open cloud. It allows you to build these cloud services in a similar way that Amazon has these higher level services that work in any environment that are built around open standards that encourage the use of just upstream open source projects. So far like Amazon has not really been villainized at all and I don't think they should be. I think they've done amazing things. They're not grandstanding so I think they're kind of bunkering in just squirreling away all this. Keep it going, keep it going. Why even say anything, you kicking ass. Put the heat shield up and just drive fast, right? I feel like at some point the community is gonna be like, wait a minute, we're feeling pleased. The numbers are out there. And it's a prep. Well first of all Dave Vellante pointed out that their 25% reporting of was not, the non-gap numbers are even higher. So that's real profit, that's real EBITDA. So are they giving it back to the community? That's your question. So I think the backlash is not only giving back to the community with either wealth creation and ecosystem flourishing, but you're talking about software. I think it's a cycle. Like people want something new to emerge but at the same time you don't want all your eggs in a basket. So it's cycle. Well I think the thing is plausible. Let's just go down and play out your crazy scenario. So Linux was started because of the mini computer proprietary Gnosis and the expensive hardware. So if Amazon becomes that version of that 800 pound gorilla similar to the mini computer proprietary or copyright systems and gear. So it's a scenario. Not too wild. Okay so what's next for you guys? Give us the update on CoreOS. What do you guys do? What's the hot area? What are you guys doing? What's the update real quick? So the last three, three and a half years we've been separating along this whole space containers, distributed system, Kubernetes, Docker, Rocket, CoreOS, Linux, like all sorts of stuff. We finally got to the point where like our initial kind of groundwork of the distributed platform is all in place and we can start using it. It's like we got iOS or Android to boot and now we can like start building apps. And last week we released our first set of apps that I think really paint the vision of where these things are going. As this concept called operators and it's where we're encoding kind of the operational side of like the things like human Sysadmin would do to run a piece of open source software. We're encoding that into an application and it's called an operator and it can do things like upgrade a cluster or back it up or scale it up and down. Same things that operators do. Like an agent. Like an agent, exactly. And it's the management components that we think are gonna give companies a ton of leverage to be able to run lots of options. So when did you guys ship this recently? Yeah we shipped our first couple, one for EtsyD and then one for Prometheus last week it's just their new open source projects. It's like getting a new car and taking it around the track, right? You guys are getting excited. Well in a way, we're calling this kind of whole concept self-driving infrastructure just like you would have an operator sitting there driving your car. You know we can now put software in there to kind of help take care of the stuff, the functionality that an operator would do to give it time to keep moving. Well I think that's a great, great strategy. We've just said IBM's World of Watson and they changed their event from Insight to Watson. That's the big hype. Customers are responding to it. They love this cognitive AI vision of self-driving infrastructure or stuff they can care of itself and focusing on value. I mean there's a lot of stuff in the weeds right now that seems to be automatable. Two weeks ago we had two huge vulnerabilities come out, one on the Linux kernel and one on Kubernetes and every ops team in the world had to drop what they were doing and go fix that and they stopped making progress on their business and whatever thing they were trying to deliver and had to go deal with this fire. We can write programs to fix that stuff and we should and it'll lead to a more efficient business and it'll also lead to a more secure web in general if those things just get passion updated automatically. That's great. That's a good crime. And the DDoS attack with the IoT was even more pedestrian and worse than the same issue. Updates, update your software IoT. Updates, update English, probably some eight year old saying let's just take down, although that's the passwords open that just came in. I mean that's how easy that hack was. And still penetrate. So tons of work to get done to your business. Alex, thanks for coming on theCUBE here on the ground. That's a wrap here for today. It was a long day. Great to see you and congratulations on your success. I'm John Furrier, you're watching theCUBE on the ground here for KubeCon and CloudNative.com. Thanks for watching.