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Tell me how you really feel Cuz I just want to build with you black girl. Tell me how you really feel I want to keep it real with you. I want to live better eat better. I want to love better sleep better Yeah, I want to feel so aligned Y'all give a round of applause to this band right now When they tell me they want to feel the cause a little more than we got to do that So again, I wasn't in the rehearsal. We didn't do that. That was not a part of the set list Roger was just in my ear like yo, let's do Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome Please please if you guys can hear me put a thumbs up in the chat aka. Oh, I see you Hope you all are well. Come on in come on in So far we have 12 people viewing but I'm sure that number is gonna go up as as This particular stream gets going Welcome. Welcome. Welcome As you guys can see by the thumbnail today Today is the first installment the first episode of we need to debate Matter of fact So like I talked about last week we need to debate is a new series I've been cooking up and It's it's it's meant to be the more entertaining aspect of we need to talk You know in our culture sometimes beef sales, so I thought why not find a way to make quote-unquote beef entertaining right so Every single episode I'll be looking for different Different topics that Divide people divide our people and I'll be finding two You know two boxers two fighters to represent each side so today we're joined by Mr. Thomas and Mr. T. Jamal lead to have the classic barbershop debate of who is the goat Michael Jeffrey Jordan or LeBron. I don't know his middle name James so y'all Y'all y'all sit back relax get comfortable This is gonna be fun. This is gonna be fun So before we get started Let me share this So boom as you can see this is a members only stream That doesn't mean you can't watch it, but you have to be a member to comment so you could either Become a member or you can send a super chat to get past the the block So you can still super chat to comment Or you can click the little join button next to the subscribe button to become a member But like I said last week, I wanted to start incorporating cash app a bit more just because you know YouTube be running your pockets for 30% of super chats of membership. So I want to Own as much of the profits from this channel as I can to keep this thing sustainable and keep it going so Our cash app if you didn't know is Wnt talk cash apps will receive priority. I figured out how to share it on the screen So if you send a cash app like my brother Johnny Darrell Johnny again and mr. Webb Your Comment will be moved to the top of the list and you would really really be supporting the ministry because you know I get a hundred percent of those proceeds, but for this particular Series I want to use cash apps For the hot seat round and I'll explain what the hot seat round is in a second But like I said cash apps will be prioritized over super chats, but super chats are a way to bypass the membership block So yeah, so let me explain the structure of this Particular series so We will have two competitors One of the competitors will be taking one side of the argument the other will be taking the other side of the argument and their objective is through their You know presentation through their examples and through their ability to Defend themselves through four rounds We'll dictate their likelihood of victory. So I Have a point system Part of the points will depend on a vote based on the poll that I'm gonna put in the in the chat But the bulk of the points will be received through an exclusive vote and Let me show That really quickly so the exclusive vote Is this right here? I created a curriculum To determine Who presented their arguments the best and it's really just you know one to five stars Depending on each of these Each of these I guess things on the curriculum But this curriculum is only available as you can see to our patreon family Our goat level members like my brother aka and other hand-picked judges. So for instance my managing Moderator as it she has access to this Everybody on the patreon has access to this my goat level members Have access to this and a few other people that you know, I assigned access as well. So if you want access to The exclusive voting curriculum that's gonna dictate the the bulk of people's points during this debate You can you can do that through one of those three ways Let's see, let's see. Let's see if I'm missing anything So, yeah The structure of this is gonna be pretty straightforward round one is gonna be a minor monologue round It's gonna be three minutes They can go up to three minutes, but not past three minutes And the point of this particular round is just to state your initial case, right? Why is LeBron the goat? Why is Jordan the goat uninterrupted only you on the screen state your case? Round two is the rebuttal round the rebuttal round is gonna be a five-minute time limit You can go up to five minutes, but not past it or you can go under five minutes if you make a strong enough case in Under five minutes, but that's the rebuttal round So the rebuttal round is your opportunity to either elaborate on your monologue to clarify some things to respond to your opponent's monologue, especially if you go second and Round three is the face-off round. That's gonna be a ten minute round They're gonna be side-by-side on your screen and that's their ability to kind of go head-to-head Asking each other questions grill each other and then round four is gonna be the hot seat round The point of that round the questions that are submitted through the cash app for each participant I'll bring them up and you know, they have to defend Their their goat. So like I said hit up the cash app with your questions or your I Guess cross-examinations of either Jordan or LeBron and during the hot seat round their ability to Handle those questions will dictate how many points that they are rewarded by our exclusive Judges, um, I hope all that was was clear. I hope all that was straightforward This is episode one of we need to debate. So in a sense, it's also like a trial run so it's only gonna get better from here, but Again, if you are interested in participating in future episodes, just email me at collab at Wnt talk calm and it's on the screen obviously But we're gonna be covering a bunch of a bunch of stuff I know an episode coming up is gonna be Dragon Ball Z versus Naruto We're gonna do more heavy topics. We're gonna do some light topics but like I said, this is an opportunity for us to let our head down and not have to Beat this relationship stuff like a dead horse. So Thank you guys for being here. I can't wait to see how this thing grows. I can't wait to see how What what topics we touch and and the the debaters that come through here I wanted to also be an opportunity for smaller creators to grow an audience I want each each person to have like a record, right? I want somebody to be oh and oh and two or five and oh, you know what I'm saying? I want people who are Dynamic in their ability to cover different topics and actually dynamic range is one of The things on the curriculum that each participant will be graded on So yeah, like I said, please send those cash apps send those super chats to bypass The membership block become a member Consider joining the patreon family, but without further ado Let me introduce today's fighters Fighters so let me pull Let me pull this back up All right, so I'm gonna turn off my camera so you guys can see all right so first up We have got mr. Thomas. Mr. Thomas is from Richmond, Virginia He's 28 years old and he will be He works in medical logistics. He will be defending Michael Jordan y'all give a big round of applause virtual round of applause for mr Mr. Thomas Come on Let's go. Let's go. All right. Any any any opening words man any opening thoughts Before we get started Uh, no, not really. I mean, I know why I'm here Lightwork, okay, okay. Well, um, you know second but not least we've got mr. T. Jamal Mr. T. Jamal works in he as a financial advisor. He is 35 years old big round of applause for mr T. Jamal Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. All right any any opening thoughts mr. T. Jamal only that um I have a very succinct And logical argument and I'm ready to get this started Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. All right. So I've got a I've got a coin that I made shout out to this website flip s new dot com. I don't know But um, we don't have to do heads and tails because you guys are both on the coin So whoever lands you have the ability to either go first or you know pass it on to the other Person, so let me go ahead and flip The coin give me one second Actually, let me do it this way All right, mr. T. Jamal you are going. Well, would you like to go first or would you like to pass it? Oh, it's always take the ball Okay. All right. So we'll have you go first. I'm gonna drop you down mr. Thomas And whenever you are ready actually, let me do This let me move this Whenever you're ready, I will start your clock. You have three minutes to state your case um Just let me know when All right, so are you able to see my screen? I started sharing Um, yeah, I can see right here Okay, boom. All right, so opening monologue For LeBron's case actually hold on one second. Hold on one second. I forgot. I forgot. I forgot. I forgot And now for the thousands in attendance and the millions around the world who wish they could be here Ladies and gentlemen All right, let's rock Let's go. Okay, so The goat case for LeBron James first off I believe that Coming into the career LeBron had a higher heel to climb than Michael Jordan because Michael Jordan created the mold of What a goat in the NBA looks like So there has been constant comparison For the entire career and I believe that the weight of those expectations on the shoulders of an 18 year old kid being able to embrace that And overcome those expectations and not let it get to his head or become a bust Is notch number one Then you have games and expectations starting from Not his rookie season in the NBA, but from high school The first time we as a collective heard about LeBron James I believe the first time I heard about him was maybe 2002 2001 He was the the cover of sports illustrated in 2002 Either late his junior year or early in his senior year of high school Jordan didn't make the cover of sports illustrated until 1986 wearing the Jordan tools Which means he had been in the league at least It's two years Which means that that wasn't that much of an expectation of him entering the league Then we have coaching. I believe that LeBron James had to overcome coaching I believe the only coach that we know just right off Are Spostra and Tyler the rest of the coaches are a slew of Somebodies that LeBron James miraculously All so far has taken at least to an NBA finals appearance Then we have general management and I'm just talking about that first Cavaliers run We Got LeBron James a washed up Ben Ben Wallace and then an even more Washed up Shaquille O'Neal Those are the two major signings in LeBron James first seven seasons with the Cavaliers So these things play a integral part in Him carrying that team him making an impact and him molding himself as one of the greatest in the league In spite of being in the league with the prime Kobe with the prime Tim Duncan And still being the face of an unknown really Unrecognizable franchise of the Cleveland Cavaliers Then I have the next point team impact Minutes played and then what life looks without LeBron James for that team We can look at what happened to the Cavaliers when he left All right, that's time brother. That's time. That's time So save your notes for the rebuttal round, but we are going to move forward with mr Thomas Thomas you ready? All right, let's do it All right, Thomas. I will go ahead and set the timer for three minutes In that three minutes, you know, you can share whatever information that you would like And I will I'll set it on you whenever you're ready Oh, you can start now. Yes, sir We over here talking about the age old debate Michael Jordan versus LeBron. First of all, let's talk about MJ MJ his airness the epitome of greatness Think about it. Whenever you talk about whoever's the best or the goat Whose name is always brought up in this conversation? Michael Jordan is always Michael Jordan versus In certain name here because it always changes You want to know why because when you're great your position never changes. You always at the top It's always been all these other people from Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant LeBron even at one point Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady, James Harden I don't know where they got that one from but listen Jordan's name is a synonym for excellence He has we have sings in the street. Hey, this man. Yo, he the Michael Jordan the rap Yo, he the Michael Jordan the football we've heard these things before My favorite one that I always hear is you know This person is going to be the next Michael Jordan, which was a claim for LeBron James But you know one thing we never hear Yo, just do the next LeBron James. Well Except for Zion Wilson, but we see how that's turning out right. I mean, what is he doing being a failure? Just like LeBron. They can't win for shit. But okay. That's cool Jordan Transcended the game to heights unimaginable Like I mean we we've seen him do things that we've never seen before from Switching hands and made air from dunks to layups free throw line dunks. He turned the Chicago Bulls into a dynasty Something LeBron knows nothing about Why is that because you know We see what happens, you know offseason. Oh, I gotta I gotta go but that doesn't mean anything You turned into watching basketball because of Michael Jordan No one was watching basketball before Jordan got there Think about it. Jordan has the highest rated finals game ever And it happened back in 1998 But it's the highest games till this day in 2023. It's a reason for that because Jordan dominated the competition as soon as he stepped on the court no matter what level or stage it was He has a championship on every level of basketball period He's dominated the game on the offense and on defense, which is why he has the honor of winning every honor that the NBA has from MVP defensive player the year scoring champ I mean, what what more you want from them? But like he did make a good point. He is the symbol of excellence He is what every player including LeBron himself dreams. He could become I still got time. Oh, yeah, that's right um You know, I feel like I already went already, but you know, I keep on going. Um, let's just talk about it Jordan was so good. His jersey got retired from teams that he never even played for Which is the real reason why LeBron had to wear number six in Miami because they retired Jordan Now have we ever seen Jordan in a miami heat jersey? No Talk about great. All right. All right so We are at round two if you're just joining us. This is the goat debate. Uh, we have Mr. T. Jamal Lee representing LeBron James. We've got mr. Thomas representing Michael Jeffrey Jordan So round two round two is the rebuttal round. Uh, mr. T. Jamal will go first This is your opportunity to rebut anything that Thomas said that uh didn't sit well in your spirit It's also your opportunity to elaborate on the rest of your presentation. So, um, I will set the timer on you Of course, so it is it's interesting So he made some good points Jordan, like I said is the mode the thing though that I disagree with Is that no one was watching the NBA before Jordan? No one was watching the NBA before magic johnson and larry bird. So Here's the history Magic johnson and larry bird entered the league 79 And the league was going through some troubles They their rivalry is what? created tension and attention for the NBA Michael jordan was able to feed off of that attention with his skill and ability And propelled beyond them because he was one of one and propelled that and so My point in lebron being the greatest is that Prior to Michael jordan, there was no one for him to be compared to there was no nitpicking of any of his defaults. There was minor nitpicking of his Not being able to win because he never ever Beats the 80s celtics and he was very handily Handed losses and ails to isaia thomas and the 80s pistons who In the same era did actually overcome that same Remped up boston celtics team So a team that beat jordan one of his greatest rivals the 80s pistons were able to beat another one of his rivals Which he never had an opportunity to beat because he and his team Just were not good enough to get over the hump team building. All right, and we were talking about gms before I got cut off in round one When michael jordan acquired the coaching prowess of a field jackson who by the way people always ignored this was an NBA champion as a player that comes with some type of gravitas He had something that his players wanted He had a way he knew how to win Maybe not as a proven coach But even on a player's team take tylu for example He knew how to win So he was able to jump on that cavaliers team and take them to the finals and take them over that hump and get them to victory my point is Lebron had so much pressure to be compared to a mold that for him to overcome those pressures is a much more For me impressive feat than being able to create the cement Before it's ever dropped. There was nothing for Jordan to be compared to as an overall package player Winning you had bill russell, but no one ever considered bill russell the best You had kareem with the points you had kareem with the shot but kareem only won one championship prior to getting magic johnson and having one of the greatest coaches in ibia history in pat riley And a souped up trumped up lakers team and then you have dr. J who mj was compared to in dunks So it was a lot of let's grab some things out of the air to try to compare michael jordan too But as you said so many people up to this date have been compared to mj colby They wanted to be team act. They wanted it to be vince carter They wanted it to be jerry staghouse. This is going back to the 90s however Lebron's debate started From high school dub the chosen one at around 16 or 17 And ate that pressure and overcome it They tried to sun him in his first nba game and he went out there and put up NBA level player points at 18 years old a baby Still with similac on his mouth and went behind the ears And came into the league strong and hasn't looked back since and is in year 20 playing like someone We've never seen before we've seen 20 year players average 10 points average maybe 15 points We've never seen a 20 year player average 30 points It's unseen before And so i believe that jordan became the goat after the first three p He was considered the goat when he first retired Everybody loves to bring up the six and o but people considered him the goat before six and o which means i believe it's Within the realm of possibility to consider lebron the goat before he reaches six championships Because there are so many other things in play that Are apart from team accomplishment Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. All right t. Jamal I will Drop you down and bring up thomas for his rebuttal round thomas you have You have five minutes the clock will start on you Oh, you can start it. I mean um To chat and anybody else that's out here watching this I don't I don't know if he had like an actual re rebuttal Or if he was on my side, I heard so many compliments for jordan. I didn't really hear much about lebron Honestly, he said a whole lot, but nothing at all all at the same time I don't even know how he just pulled that off But if i'm supposed to rebuttal, I mean, I don't even remember what he said in the beginning What he said lebron with the high school what that mean he didn't go to college the boy dumb I mean I joined one in college. He got a ring. I mean, I don't I don't understand What what the heck i'm even supposed to even talk about but I mean I mean lebron. Yeah, he was called the chosen one as a kid The only thing he's been chosen to do though is leave your team That's the only thing he showed that he was chosen to do man. Like I don't understand this. Um What else he talked about him having shack and and ben wallis on this team I mean that's just more hall of famous to his resume of other hall of famous that he had on his team How many hall of famous did jordan have now look at the list of how many hall of famous lebron had Well, lebron needs so much help I don't know One championships at air stop So did so did jordan He got a college championship, man Lebron ain't got that lebron ain't even go to college. He was too dumb for it Oh, what you said he was on sports illustrated. I mean, how many times has jordan been on sports illustrated? You're talking about sports illustrated kids additional or you know, the grown man one. Yeah, man It's hard for me to get a rebuttal when he said it himself Jordan was great. Jordan was to go after three and oh I mean, I like I said the man did my job for me Jordan did I mean Jordan set the bar though. I mean you saying They took pieces of Jordan game and compared it to all these other players Because he set the bar man. He showed that there's a such thing as one player that can do everything And if you saying nobody watched basketball until bird and magic, I mean, why is his finals game still the most watched ever like ever Why why did they make documented? Why do they have countless documentaries on jordan if you know He wasn't what he was to go man But I know a typical lebron fan fashion He's gonna go around here and start throwing out all these numbers at you He's gonna he's gonna bombard you with a bunch of numbers But the sad part about all of that we watch the game I mean, I get it men lie women lie numbers don't lie But numbers don't tell the full story. We watch the games. We've seen lebron go out there 30 point triple doubles and lose I mean the night he passed kareem and scorn He lost That's all lebron is man. The man is nothing more than a lovable loser. That that's all he knows how to do You go you can go ahead and cut the time off Oh wait, hold on. He gave me another hold on. Hold on. I'm sorry. He gave me another comment 38 what that mean? He lived longer than your average rapper. He lived longer than twop. I mean Jordan played at 32 and dropped 51 when he played with the wizards. I mean He 38 what that mean? He don't got high cholesterol my uncle do I mean Okay Let's go let's go All right, so now It is time for the face off round. This is uh this I think this is gonna be my favorite round so y'all have 10 minutes to go ahead to head back and forth and um Let's see who has the better argument for the go so my my my judges Please pay very close attention because a lot of what's on the curriculum Is going to be on display during this round. So I will go ahead and start the time and let y'all rock. Let's go All right, cool. So I'll start off because he just went rambling about nothing so The whole point was No one here. No one on planet earth has ever denied the fact that jordan was At one point the greatest of all time as a matter of fact The term goat didn't even come into play until I believe ll kooj came out with that album Somewhere late in his career. So that's that term greatest of all time Greatness. What does that mean? It means on the field. It means off-court impact so Yeah when so back to my original point when Life without let's go on that debate and I want to hear you respond to this life without lebron Initially when he left the cavaliers to go to to go to miami the same team that he had just The same team that he had just took to the finals two years before and the eastern conference finals went to the lottery And his new team went immediately to the nba finals. Okay. That's the first thing the cleven cavaliers stayed Three straight years they had number one picks kairi You you said he took the heat to the finals, right? What happened when they played? What happened that year? I got you and I'll address that Hold on Yes, yes Clap it up for everybody who will live on the the failure of dallas in 2011 for the rest of their lives as they're only Only weak spot Life without life without mj when mj retired to go play baseball in the minor leagues What happened to the chicago bulls? Were they a lottery team? I believe they went to the eastern covered finals Without Jordan What does that say about his teammates? What does that say about the team building? What does that say about the coach lebron james left the cavaliers with the same coach the same core They went to the lottery. They failed without him. He was that much of an impact He was more of an impact on his team than jordan was jordan He got them over the hump. They still made the play out Cavaliers couldn't even make it through the regular season brother explain it explain the impact Explain the impact Address the point. What happened to the chicago bulls when jordan retired the first time They lost in the playoffs. I told you in the playoffs in what round of the playoffs Did you know because i don't think you were born yet. What round of the playoffs? I said I said in the eastern conference finals man. Come on. Okay, so they made it through the eastern conference finals Yes, they made it Okay, it's not a team that jordan didn't build though because when he was playing they were in a lot of Jordan is not a gm. He's not a general manager. Actually if you watched the last dance, we talked about documentaries Jordan disagreed with jerry kraus on just about every decision that he made Jordan was arguing. Jordan is a horrible gm. We see it with the what is he what he's doing with charlie So jordan wanted to draft players that he played with in college Jerry kraus said no and he built the team around jordan that not only fit the team That he was building around the talent that jordan had He built a winner jordan's impact was to take them over the ledge But we see We have a visual main time proof that jordan's impact was a a more ill Impact with a mountain the best scores in the nba. Think about it. LeBron Wade and bosh, they were all top 10 scores I had never heard of chris bosh a day in my life before that press conference going to miami Because he played in the dumpster fire of the toronto raptors. He had never been out of the first round He had never been out of the first round of the playoffs as a matter of fact Let's see miami heat team before lebron got there with d-way with the healthy d-way My And joe johnson beats the miami heat two seasons in a row With the prom d-way. I don't want to hear anything about that 2008 Another top 10 score again 2009. Who who in 2008? Who? Chris box 2007 2008 and 2009. He was a top 10 score all three of those years and where did he take his team 2010 Where did chris bosh take his team alone? You're still not addressing you're still You're bringing up straw man arguments to address the point that I brought to your attention Okay, lebron has won a championship Where's lebron's defensive player the year at mark gasol's house go ask him about it Lebron's defensive player of the year is sitting on mark gasol's Chubby mantle because in 2012 when he should have won unanimous mba. He should have also won The year Wasn't even on the all mba defensive team Every year lebron james was all defensive first team in 2012 talk about it You're talking about awards that are voted by people Who have agendas you another one? Why have you ever been any of his championship wins? Why does he keep getting out by all these other players again? Say it again. Say it again. Say it again. Say it again. Say it again. Say it again. Say it again. Tony cuckoo coach. You're giving me real bad Perl say it again. Tony cuckoo coach. I said why is lebron never to expect in any of his championship wins? You're talking about getting bailed out Mike miller got him that this second ring for the So having a team is a detriment now. Okay. So you just told me about pipping You just gave me a home. I didn't say anything about scotty pipping. I admitted scotty pipping I said the team went to the playoffs now. I'm giving you lebron's team Yes, so what that that was without him. That's what the team accomplished without him. That's how good the actual team was without him None of the bronze Miami still had the way When lebron left and go back to superstar has a game Every superstar has a game. Give me lebron's game. You want examples or can you answer that off top game six Eastern comforts finals, boston cell ticks 2012 let's go. He lost keep going. We know We lost are you oh my god, you don't you don't watch basketball. Do you all right? So I know you're younger than me I know you're 12 years old. I know you got hyped up on the On the Michael Jordan strain You never had any Jordan's growing up because you oh you're only old enough to have You're only old enough to have resupplies. Those are retros. Those are not. Oh, jeez. You want me to still have my baby? Oh, jeez. I'm old enough to have actually sat down and watch the 97 and 98 finals I saw the second three I saw the struggle game that we can all recall Game bro, what is that game even called you said the Celtics game? Yes, you talking about paul pierce. I mean What's the game? What happened in the game? I said What's this song knows game six in the eastern comforts Everybody has a game for the And they were trying to 60 points off 11 dribbles Like there's there's a name for every game and you still ain't given to me for lebron You just said did that one time when he played the Celtics Last time I checked every time No, no, no, no, no not that one time. We're talking about Okay, are you talking about the second time people are for the Celtics? That's why he had to run to Miami because you know They're the first team to win 60 games And still lose and not make the finals history Game seven Back to back MVP your back to back MVP had the number one team with over 60 wins that he was dragging the finals Okay, name the roster name that number one seed roster name the roster name do number one seed roster mo williams Is the dream is still gosskas? um Anderson garajal Who else who else become number one if they want good that You're you're proving my point. I appreciate it. So that same core was there What did they do without them? Absolutely nothing I was in the mall Put his his defensive play to your own lawn. You told me There is a media agenda against lebron because of That's around gentlemen. That's around Man that that that was getting that was getting heated but big round of applause to the brothers for a fantastic Fantastic round three. So, um, I just want to clarify again. So I um as part of the curriculum There is a negative five point ad hominem deduction And I I tracked a few ad hominems So you will be getting deductions for that, but um just to reiterate Part of the vote will be gotten from a poll at the end of this debate And then the other well the bulk of the points will be gotten from your evaluation by our Patreon family by our goat level members and by some hand-picked Judges and I handpicked them specifically because they don't really have a tie to the jordan versus lebron debates. So they'll be going strictly on Your approach to debating As opposed to the topic. They don't you know, they don't lean one way or the other All right, so round four round four is the hot seat round and the way that works Um, if you are a lebron fan, if you're a jordan fan, please submit your questions for either side through our cash app The cash app as you know, it is wnt talk um, and I will read your Questions to each of our participants and whoever handles that better For the two minutes that they'll be allotted Um We'll you know be judged accordingly during round four Um, so yeah, so y'all feel free to either submit it through cash app super chats or If you are, you know, if you're able to comment in the chat Um, you can comment it there as well. Um, so I'll give a little bit of time for that and then we will Start with mr. Tejama Ali since he won the coin toss Come on. Y'all submit something or I'll have to uh Come over some questions on top of my head Somebody anybody we got 38 people viewing even if you're not a basketball fan Maybe there was something they brought up that uh, you want clarity on This is your opportunity. All right. Well, I'll do that. Let me pull up mr. Tejama And I will Do my best to come up with some critiques All right So let me let me set this timer. All right, brother um for people who would say that LeBron, I mean that LeBron is Not as accomplished as Michael Jordan, you know, you got six ranks to four um, he wasn't a you know Own ball defender that Jordan was what would be your rebuttal to them? um, I would say that When it comes to championships Michael Jordan is not the leader in the nba in championships. That's the team accomplishment And I don't believe that should be held against Jordan in his first few years before Pipping and field and I don't believe that LeBron should be penalized for Not being able to get only Really only that Miami um, Dallas series Is really the the negative notch that can be put on LeBron's shoulders For not winning when it comes to championship because he did have the adequate team around him But I believe that in every other instance We have Reasons that they lost but I believe it LeBron James went to the finals 10 times He went eight years in a row Eight years of wear and tear plus the olympics That's a lot of mental Stability to be able to push not only himself but to pull his team no matter who his um, who his running mates were Because we can see the 2015 finals had kairi been there. I don't believe golden state wins that finals We saw what happened the next year golden state had a chip on their shoulders and they had confidence But the LeBron was able him and kairi were able to come back with tylu and win that finals We don't even know the name of the coach that LeBron took to the finals in 2015 All right, brother. We've got one question from uh, Ako he says why is LeBron not giving credit for his early maturity? Maturity especially for a guy who did not grow up with a father. How would you answer that? I believe he is giving credit for the people who are objective There are people who Will hold on Like I said, jordan created the mode of the goat So when you create the mode is very hard to get over the emotional Attachment people have the shoes people had the jerseys people saw that. Um, the young brother, uh mentioned the 1998 finals if you look at What television and broadcast look like in 98 compared to 2007 and beyond when LeBron started making NBA finals the attention span of people was much more Spread out. So I believe that LeBron isn't given a fair objective shot by a majority of the media and people Because of their attachment to jordan and it makes sense This debate is for people to be able to let go of the emotion And and just look objectively at what basketball player he is What man he is off the court and that also feeds into greatness as well By the way, married to a black woman and stayed married to a black woman You trying to pull in my heart strings, but thank you brother. Thank you brother. Let me uh, bring you down and bring up thomas all right thomas You know what the assignment is? Um, you have two minutes to answer my question about Michael jordan. So, um, we haven't had any cash out Yeah, we haven't had any cash out submissions, but feel free if you are able to comment feel free to put Your questions in the chat But before that I'll go ahead and throw some things at you. All right. So I just started the clock all right, brother, so LeBron James just uh broke the record for all-time scoring even though he's not a scorer um LeBron James has been said to Possess the ability of guarding all five positions um How would you and and also um some Jordan critics would say that um in comparison to LeBron Jordan can't do as much for a team How would you uh respond to that? Uh, I will respond to all that by saying all that is blasphemy Okay, first things first you say he passed Uh, kareem's I mean kareem abdul jabal's record. Yes, because he played forever Um, you saying that he got all those points because he's not a natural scorer Which he's not he is a facilitator But when you're the best player on all of your teams, you're the number one scoring option So you have no choice but to do what to score the playbook is made for you to score when you're the number one option I understand he wants to be a facilitator because that is his play style. That is his game but He keeps putting together all these teams where he's still the best one. So he has to score. Um, What was the second part you said that? Um, um LeBron James can guard all five positions and can play all five positions. Um, Michael Jordan cannot What would you respond? How would you respond to that? I would respond to that by saying again like I asked him Where where's his defensive player to yet? LeBron is going to get cooked if he goes up against any point guard Let him go up against the Allen Averson. This is you know how Allen Averson crossed Jordan the same thing. I happen. I um Um LeBron the same thing happened to him like he can't go up against no elite guard, man Listen, I got another thing to say about that LeBron doesn't even guard the best player on every team he plays Hmm So he can even geeking guard off out, but he don't even go up against the best player every time All right, brother. All right. So, um, I've got a Super chat up here for you from Nanga, he says rank these three in terms of importance to the bull's titles Phil Jackson jerry cross or pippin or and pippin How would you rank that in order of importance? Yeah, I would go feel Jackson pipping then jerry cross Why? Uh, because feel Jackson as we seen from his history The triangle offense is great. I mean, it's a great scheme that he came up with which is why he won so many titles with the lakers uh Pippin because I mean he was you know robin to Jordan bet man jerry cross I mean he was just the owner and as we know by countless documentaries and evidence He he wanted to dismantle the team Hmm But I said they they had a problem like, you know, they had a discrepancy between joy and the front office It's always been talked about They had their own personal problems Yeah, I got another one for you. Uh money manager media He says can he address the years where mj was swept out of the playoffs in the 80s? How did that happen if he was the goat? I answered that and my and monologue when I said that we've seen him lose In the playoffs, but he's came back with the same team the same coaches and The same players and you say he got swept. I mean in the 80s Because he he he couldn't handle playing one on five Okay, okay, so we got one more uh for money marriage and media He says did jordan want pippin on the team before they signed him Did jordan want pippin on the team before they signed them Like jamal tea said no, he wanted players that Um, he played with but you know, it's it's a management decision. It's not the player's decision. You know That's that's the only thing lebron is known for the decision, right? But yeah, it wasn't he was just a player All right, I've got one more and then we'll close this out Ako says given that scottie pippin and rodman were the best players in their positions Are you surprised that the three best players in the league were on one team? Uh, no, I'm not surprised because like I keep saying scottie was drafted Jordan was drafted scottie was drafted and they bought in rodman at the end of 95 because hoarse grant left They they had a hole at the center position and he was afraid and so they went and picked him up like Okay, i'ma bring uh We can hear you uh, yeah, you love My bad, i'm meant to turn off my camera. There we go. All right, so i'ma ask both of y'all this question by s it It's a fantastic question. I'm gonna have you go first tgemo She says is your true passion to the player or at all to the teams they played on? I don't give one cent about the teams they played on because i'm from atlanta And I'll never cheer for a team other than my own So I follow basketball based on the players and I watch it as a sport I watch football as a sport of teams I watch basketball for sport of players because the players have more impact on winning and can do much more than Team construction teams are boring in basketball It is what it is All right, how would you answer that thomas? Uh, I would say my true passion is for the teams that play, you know, I have a favorite team Uh, the los angeles lakers, but I live over here in richmond virginia. So I can't just follow One player here and there or my own team because my state doesn't have a team But I follow the team because throughout all this debate on my side and on his side They've been we've both been throwing out. Hey, what did he do without this player? What did he do before he got this player? So it all comes down to a team All right, so uh, I'm gonna have y'all both respond to this rob harmony says carl malone was the best power forward at the time Y'all might be able to agree on something here Okay, what what? Uh That's a Interesting statement. Okay. Carmelone was good during the time and carmelone and His team which it was a comfortable team couldn't get over the hump. What does that have to do with? I don't I don't know what has to do with the price of tea in china, but okay carmelone Carmelone was the best powerful at all time. Um I did the team joy hit the shot on Utah yes twice. Yeah Yeah, they didn't he get a ring over them twice. So I mean But carmelone was great. He was a force down in the paint. I seem to get dunked on by joy too. So But he was a good powerful But you know, I mean, I guess that just speaks to more of joy's dominance, but okay Yes Hey, I like it man We were we were able to find the middle ground listen The shout out to both y'all brothers. Um, is there anything you want to plug before we wrap this up? I'm gonna let you go first T. Jamal Yeah, so I would love to plug. Um, I have a non-profit organization african unity initiative and it is Really community and economic development based around the african diaspora Showing that we are able to commune with one another and there is more to our unity Than our shared oppression than our shared struggle We have a deeper connection than that and we should focus on that what combines us in In positivity than what what connects us through negativity because those those bonds forged through positivity Last much longer. I have a youtube channel is youtube.com slash c slash african unity and um, we have A lot of great conversations about the african diaspora Why paying africanism is still alive and ways that you can support our community and the communities that we work with global Thank you so much brother. Thank you so much Shout out to you Um, so s ed Is added your website uh in the chat. So if you guys are interested, uh, please click that link and uh Check the brother out. Also. I just added The poll You know for the first part of our Point system. So you guys vote for who you think won This debate and I will bid you adieu mr. T. Jamal and uh, we'll talk soon brother in the case All right, mr. Thomas So, um anything you would like to plug anything you uh, you're working on that, uh, you would like our support on Uh, I got a couple things. Um, you know, just the typical, you know, follow me on social media Follow uh, you know, I have a small growing youtube channel where I post a lot of Sports shorts and things of that nature. We can all you know, keep talking about Sports and what's going on and keep more up-to-date topics You know, that's all okay. What's your channel name? So I could put that up uh, it is still The uh, ratul thomas one two, I think like four eight. They added to it at the end of it Added to the chat and I I'm gonna put it up on the screen. I got you. All right Got you But yeah, just um that because I do have plans on starting, you know A sports show over there. I don't know if it's going to be more of, you know A live in-camera thing like this or more of a podcast type of format I'm still trying to work out the ends and out of that and also looking for someone else to come on and co-host as well So, you know, I have that going and like I said social media. We just go This is the start. We're gonna keep building on this and keep growing keep getting more Absolutely, brother Hey, listen, shout out to you brother. Thank you for participating episode one of we need to debate I'm uh, I'm gonna drop this down and drop you down and then close this out. All right All right peace brother Okay, ladies and gentlemen, I hope you guys enjoyed that. 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