 I don't see Tim, is Tim around? Yep, Tim's there. And Paulie and Joan? Tim is here, but I don't see everybody all the time either. I see you, but hey, I see Marcia. So give me a call afterwards. I see you ride this afternoon. I was. You want to ride some more? Give me a call. Okay, we'll do. Sergio, are we live? All right, Mayor Council. We are live on our first electronic council meeting. I think this, as we've worked through this, been good practice for next Tuesday. Mayor, do you want to kick us off? And then I'll go from there. So my question is, is this an actual meeting? Meaning do we have to do the pledge and that kind of stuff? No, this is like the work sessions that we did on Friday. All right, let's go ahead. Yes. All right. Let's just go ahead and do roll call then. Here is Don get a call roll call or no? Just just go ahead. Tim, are you there? Yes. Yes, I'm here. Marcia, you there? Here I am. Indeed you are. Paulie, you there? Yes, I am. Joan, you there? Joan here? Yes, I'm here. Thank you. Aaron? Present. I see Aaron. I see Aaron. And so Susie, you there? Present Mayor. All right. Cool. Then we got Eugene. Eugene. Present Mayor. Eugene. Cool. Cool. I see you, Harold. And then we have Karen and we have Kathy Fetler. And who else is with us? Jim Goldman, Jim Golden. Elizabeth Morena Mills. And Karen Roney. And then we have Joni Marsh. And we have, we have Longmont Public Media. And we have Susan Wallach and streaming to the cities. We're here for an update. Why don't you do the talk to Harold? We also have Jeff Zayac. He is the. Mayor of Boulder County. Department of health director and Jeff's going to give an update on the order. What I wanted to start off with is if everyone can mute. What we found is I've been to organization. If you don't mute. We start picking up all sorts of feedback. Into the system. So if everyone can mute, I can control that from here as well. If you have problems doing it, just let me know. What I wanted to start off with a little bit with council today is really answering some of the questions that we're hearing from the community. And providing some information in terms of how we operate what we do. To give you council a little bit of background on. These types of situations really the key to everything that we do as an organization. It's really about how we prepare and how we set up the structure for response for any types of situations. We're really what we consider ourselves to be an all hazard community. And what that means is we have any number, we have our emergency management plan. And that consists of different annexes based on the type of event we use those to basically guide our response. Nothing's ever perfect. The best example that I would give to you in terms of preparedness is that some of the work that we've been doing on our infrastructure pieces is coming into this. We actually had 700 VPN licenses and approximately 50 Citrix license. And what that means is we were actually able to spend very quickly to allow people to work from home. And so at this point we have exceeded the governor's order in terms of the number of people working from home. I have that information back there. I can give you those numbers specifically if you want them. But I can tell you today that we are complying with that order and we're moving through it. The one thing I will say is we have a lot of experience within the organization in dealing with this. And using me as an example whether depending on where you're coming from, whether fortunately or unfortunately we've all been through a number of issues. And at this point each and every one of us are really relying on that experience as we move through this event because what I will tell you in the community is it is different and it is constantly evolving. The example that I've given to folks is every day seems like the first day of the flood because things are always changing. I want to start off by saying some stuff to the council in the community that I think we all need to keep in mind as we're having this conversation and really always keep it at the top of our list. One, we know unequivocally that people are afraid as to whether or not they will get the virus, what that means to their families, and just the overall impact on friends, family related to the virus itself. Two, we're asking via the order that was issued today people to stay at home. And we know and I know you all know that this is going to be a challenge. We as humans like to get together. And we know that this is going to create different situations and different responses. And we also know that mental health is going to be an important ongoing conversation as we move through this. We also know that small business owners are having to deal with not only the issue of stay at home order, but also really sit back and go, what does that mean for me as a small business owner? Am I going to be able to continue? Am I going to have to close? Am I going to have to lay people off? And that's an additional strain. And then finally, or then we also know that individuals who work for these companies are having the same conversation. Some people have lost their jobs. Some people are afraid they will lose their jobs. And I want to sit down as a framework as we talk about this, because I think it's really important for the community and for the council to understand that we are hearing this. We are also hearing it from members of our organization. And that is always at the forefront of our mind as we're moving through these situations. There are many different things in play. And we have many different folks trying to do the best they can. One thing I will say is this issue continues to change on a daily basis. For example, I know we got started a little late, but we found out at 2.30 that we think the governor is going to have a press conference at 4. So I think it's important for all of us to be able to watch that. And I want to move through this as quickly as we can. We have different teams working on different issues. And Dan will go into that as we do a brief overview on what we're doing. But there's two teams that I really wanted to highlight based on what we said we're focused on and what we're trying to deal with. Three teams, really. The first team is our partnership with the Boulder County Health Department. As we said from the beginning of this situation, they are the long lines health department. And they are the one that they started off as the incident command. We're now working as part of a broader command structure integrated with the Boulder County. And we'll talk about that. Jeff's on the phone and Jeff will speak to you about the stay at home quarter in a little bit. But I want to say that the communication that we've had with Jeff and his group has been tremendous. I will tell you that in my conversations with Jeff, many of the points that I mentioned previously have been on his mind as he's been making these decisions. Jeff has had a thankless task in many ways because he's been trying to move through this in conjunction with the public health directors and other communities. We have a community service team. Kathy's going to provide some updates on that. That group is working on issues related to homelessness. The needs of our senior community, childcare, food generally, housing, attention. And generally it's about delivering services to the vulnerable populations of our community. Based on the orders, what I will tell you is that we are still trying to understand what that's going to mean. Because we know because of people falling for unemployment and so on, that vulnerable population is growing on us. We also have a business group. And they are engaged in conversations related to how we approach and how we can bring everything together in terms of the business assistant center and provide the information that our local businesses need. And they are turning daily on that. That is a combination of city staff, chamber, LEDP, DDA, visit Longmont, Latino chamber. And then we're also incorporating Jim in the finance department and Don and Joni in the permitting department to also bring all of those, all of the things we do as an organization into play when we're talking about the business community. And as I said earlier, we're also integrated into the Marj or Boulder County EOC structure. And I'm going to ask Dan to come up now to talk about that. I'm going to share a screen, so you're going to lose us visually. And Dan's got some couple of charts that he's going to go over with. Dan, which one do you want to start with? Okay, good afternoon everybody. I'm Dan Eman, assistant public safety chief. And I also received an emergency office of emergency management. So what you see here is a pretty complicated looking thing with lots of boxes and colors and lines. And I think just as you look at this, it really does kind of show you the complexity of this gigantic incident. And there's no way that the city could respond to this thing alone. I mean, as you all know, this is a worldwide issue. This is something that's affecting every state in the nation. And what we need to do as a county is to respond to it as unified as we possibly can. And we made that decision early on to try to build this structure around public health, who really is the authority. In this event, there really are the ones that are issuing orders. Boulder County Public Health is Laumont's Public Health Department too. So this structure is really designed to support public health and all of the other things. So when public health is really just worried about public health sorts of things, epidemiology, all of those kind of things, this broader county structure is designed to support them. So you'll see things in here like resource management. And that's ordering things like personal protective equipment for all of our first responders. It's trying to support the logistics needs of multiple populations. That's a county need. Everybody needs that. So we're trying to coordinate that as a unified group. You see things on here like a planning section. I mean, it's really important for us to try to think through what's happening tomorrow, what's happening next week. Like Harold said, this thing is literally changing four or five times a day. We do our best, but who knows what's going to happen at four o'clock today. Sometimes we really don't know. This whole thing is kind of run by a group that's called the agency administrators. That's that box on the top left. Really what that is, is it's made up of all the city managers, elected officials, jet sacks, part of that. And that's where we try to give direction and priorities to the whole structure. We do that again as a unified group. The thing we're really trying to prevent is one municipality, one county entity going off and doing something on their own. Because that can create a ton of unintended consequences. So this, this really what this visual is without getting too much into every box is really trying to show you guys, we're doing this as a county, we're doing this as a unified response. And you know, you'll see this, this operation section there. I mean, one of the things that's different about the flood in this event so far is this really hasn't been a, there hasn't been a big public safety impact so far. In fact, our police and fire calls are down and that's a good thing. We hope it stays that way, but the needs have really been on the, you know, the community services side of the world so far. And we'll kind of see how that changes as things play out. But that's really the message of this graphic is really just to show you that we're doing all of this as a county and public health is really the lead agency and everything we do is really to try to support them. So mayor council at this point, as we move through this, I'm going to stop and I want to see if there's any questions from you all regarding the information that we presented at this point. No questions. I actually have a question. Um, so what if I, I, so, because we are under Boulder County health and we follow their recommendations and their guidelines and their order, what does that do to individuals in Longmont who are on the Wells County side? Great question. And I was going to get to that as part of what Jeff is saying, but the answer to that question is Eugene right now is actually drafting an order for me to sign that will bring many of those same concepts over onto people who live in Longmont on the Wells County side of the border or on the Wells County side. There are a couple of items that Eugene is working through based on some charter limitations. But in general, what we'll apply is the stay at home component because I can't issue that. And then bringing all of those rules to Sandstone Ranch and Union Reservoir. Most of the businesses that are in Longmont on in the Wells County area actually would meet the definition of essential businesses. So generally we're talking about McLean Western, Smuckers, Walmart, Jody's behind me and she can catch me if I'm wrong. But when you look at the definition within the Boulder County order, those all would be considered essential because you're playing Western, it's privy to food. Smuckers is making food and Walmart has the grocery code. If I mistake that, Jeff can correct it. But I will have to issue that piece. I will tell you that I'm also in conversations or email conversations, but we are trying to touch base with Jeff's counterpart in Weld County. And there's actually two communities in Boulder County that fall into this. Uri is the other community. And Uri has some different charter components but they're looking to do the same thing initially and then hopefully we can have the conversation we need to with the director of health in Weld County to see if they can help us come into online. But I will have to issue an order today to do that. Does that answer your question? Yes, it did. Thank you. Any other questions from council? So at this point, Jeff, if you can unmute yourself, we were going to talk about all of the orders. I'm going to ask Jeff to talk about actually the Boulder County health order and what that means to us. And then he will tie the relevant orders from the governor into this because they're linked. So Jeff, are you there? Just thanking Harold. He has been an incredible resource for us. He's really helped work through some difficult situations. Not just here, but we've had a great working relationship on many things. So I want you to know how much I appreciate Harold and his staff. They've been incredible partners for us. The first thing I want to say is, as you already heard, we are living in an unprecedented time right now. This is really a no-win situation in terms of where we're at. We are having to control a virus that we don't know much about. And as you've already heard from both, Dan and Harold, it changes every single day. I saw on the national news today that today was the deadliest day of this virus with 185 new deaths in the United States. The virus is definitely acting a bit differently here than it has acted in other places. And just a couple things that has really driven us to get to the point of where we are with this order I think are important to talk about. One of those is last week early CDC released a report that said that 69% of those people that are hospitalized were less than 65 years old. So we were seeing younger impacts in our population than we were expecting. And the other thing that was startling to us that really had us do some more looks at research were the research from looking at what the disease was doing in the United States and what they found out more about it in China, which is 4 out of 5 people that are spreading the disease don't even realize that they have the disease. And that's when a virus becomes really difficult to control. And if you think about the difference between China as an example where there's comprehensive testing, they know where the disease is, they know exactly how to respond to the disease because they've got that kind of testing, we don't have that in the United States. And without that comprehensive testing, we're forced to move to mitigation strategies like we are doing now and like you're seeing other states implement more and more every single day. So I also want to make sure I say this. I say this in every presentation because I don't want people to turn to chaos. That is not what we need or panic in this time. The virus, again, is going to impact 80% of the people with very mild symptoms. So most people are going to come through this fine and 20% of those people are going to have more serious symptoms and there's roughly a 1% fatality rate and that is holding true for the United States. And what we're trying to do is to slow and stop the spread of this disease as much as we can. We know there's going to be significant impacts on our hospital systems if we don't do that. And again, it's why we're leading into where we are right now with these public health orders that are in place. We do have to take it seriously. If you've watched the national news, you'll see that New York and Michigan now are having serious challenges with their hospital systems and we don't want that to happen here. We want to take it seriously. We want to do what we can to slow the spread of this virus. And these are some of the best information we have is to take the type of steps that we're taking now. So let me just tell you a little bit about how we got here because I think it's important for council members to understand this and for sure Harold just referenced this. Our goal in this process, we've been advising the state health department and the governor's office, there's a fairly large group of us that has included people from Larimer County all the way down to El Paso and a core group of public health directors from the metro area. We meet weekly with the state health department. We are looking at models together. And those models are changing daily based on what's happening in the United States and what gets plugged into those. But we are looking at the best information to try to make the best decisions at this point. We made a strong recommendation to the governor's office on Sunday night to move forward with a statewide order that would provide consistency across the entire state. And at that point, we had heard that the governor was not ready to move forward with that step. And at the same time, again, as any of you that have been watching national news would know, the virus is continuing to spread fast. We don't have enough testing with the assumptions at a best case scenario based on what's happened in other states are that for every positive, you have 50 times more people in your community that are actually positive with the disease, which means we're only seeing a very small portion of the people who are actually positive in our communities. So it was important for us to take a step forward and try to come together around orders that were consistent. And the consistency that Harold mentioned is a really important point that I want to emphasize. If we have different counties around us doing very different things, then it's going to be harder for us to assure that we're doing the best we can to control the spread of this virus. We worked really hard to get to a point where we were trying to get the entire front range consistent in terms of the orders that would be implemented, the timing of those orders, and the approach in how we would move forward with those orders. And we were only able to get the front range counties that are surrounding Boulder into that queue. So we have right now Jefferson, Boulder, and Tri-County, which is Adams, Arapaho, and Douglas, are all almost identical in terms of our orders. And we modeled our orders after Denver's. Denver took a step out a little bit in front of us because the mayor wanted to move something more quickly. So we were at that point forced to follow their lead and try to align with their order. So that's what we've done. We are very close to Denver's order, although it's not exactly the same. So, again, for us, one of the things that felt extremely important was to do the best we could to try to align those measures to make sure that those measures were consistent across our counties so that the same controls were happening in Jefferson County as we're happening here. Broomfield was in alignment with us until the very last minute of those, and they stepped back and went out on their own. But their order is similar to ours. It just doesn't have some of the same requirements that ours does. So that kind of gives you the landscape. We have worked closely with Mark Wallace, who Harold mentioned is in Weld County and is the director. And we put both Harold and Malcolm and Erie in touch with Mark last night, and we're hoping that Weld County will move forward with something similar as well. I think you've probably heard today that Larimer is also issuing a stay-at-home order, so you're going to see this happen more across the state so that people are trying to make sure that we're not spreading this virus to the maximum extent possible in Colorado. So we decided it was extremely important for us to move forward in the face of not having something statewide. So I want to talk a little bit about our order. So our order, and in terms of Harold's earlier question about the governor's order, so the way that the orders work is that the orders that are most restrictive are the orders that are the ones that are upheld. So as an example, the governor's order says 50% of people in the state of Colorado need to be telecommuting. Our order says that no one, unless you're an essential business service, as defined in that order that we put out, can actually go to work. So ours is more restrictive and would be holding more restrictive in that scenario. If the city of Longmont or the city of Boulder or another city passed a more restrictive prohibition in their local orders, then that would hold as the most restrictive. And obviously, the reason that we have wanted to make sure that we don't have every city doing that is because if you have one city that does one thing and another city that does another, it becomes extremely difficult to be able to support those kinds of things if they're not aligned and they're not providing the same levels of protection. So our desire and Longmont has been right there with us, which I appreciate very much, is to support the order that we've put forth and to work with us on the language that's in that order. So I just want to say, again, how much I appreciate Longmont's participation and support in this entire process. So let me just stop for a second there and see if there's any questions. And then what I could do is, I don't know how many people have looked closely to Denver's order, but I could highlight the differences between our order and Denver's order to just give you a sense of what ours looks like versus what theirs looks like. I've got a couple of questions. Go for it. And so it's Jeff, right? Yes, Jeff. All right. So I just want to, first of all, there's a lot of frustration going on in the community. A lot of frustration, concern and worry on the part of local businesses. And to be clear as I begin these questions, I am not advocating that money is more important than lives or health. My premise is the overall question is, are we doing, what will the health impacts of the shutdown be worse than the virus? And the questions are predicated upon things like, things are changing on a daily basis and making, and I hear everyone saying, no one really knows what's going on. I'm not a doctor, but Hippocratic Oath is first do no harm. So question number one is, we're on lockdown for three and a half weeks, right? We currently do not have any, at least in Longmont, our hospitals do not have anyone in intensive care. In the beginning of this, it was all a push to flatten the curve. Right now there's no one in the hospital. So what's going to happen in three and a half weeks when the virus is still in our community and we're still in our homes? I do need to, that we just got some information. There aren't people in the hospital here now. All right. How many? I think there's some three, three in intensive care. All right. Based directly related to coronavirus? That's what we understand. All right. So even that, so I'm not sure how many beds we have, but if there are three, if they're, I mean just doing the calculation, if you look at the numbers, I'm not saying this isn't serious. I'm not saying that I'm going to violate or go rogue. I'm just saying if you look at the numbers, it's 1%, 50 times that amount have not been tested and are unknown. We're now looking at a death rate of 0.05 of 1%. And so my question is, what's going to happen in three and a half weeks when the disease is still there, people are still going into the hospital, whether our hospitals are full or not full, what then? At some point, we will have to go back out into the world and this has never been about flattening the curve. It's been about, now we're talking about beating the disease, which isn't going to happen. So what's the health department going to do when it's still there in three weeks? Absolutely. So those are all important points and we certainly, as I'm sure you can imagine, have been hearing a lot of this as well. And there's no exact answer to this. What I would point you to is to the Carl Hospital Association met with the state of Washington and that happened over a week ago. And after their meeting with the state of Washington, the Colorado Hospital Association took this extremely seriously. They distributed a memo that went to every single hospital in the state. They said that we need to take this seriously. The hospital surge happened quickly and they were very unprepared. And it happened again this week with both Michigan, who right now has been very surprised by the hospital surge. And there's a lot of information that's out there on this right now, as well as with New York. So just as an example, when New York was first talking about this, they thought they were going to have enough ventilators. And now they're, I don't know the exact numbers because I don't want to misquote something, but they're significantly, they have significantly less ventilators than they are going to need. And that means that people are going to die. And that's what exactly the state of New York is saying at this point. And Michigan is repeating the same thing. So this virus is happening fast. If you think about the number of people in the community that are positive, that four out of five people that are spreading this virus and they don't even know that they have it when they're spreading it, that's exactly why we need to move forward in this, in this direction. And we are, I'm not going to tell you that we, that we've looked at the models are the best information we have. As I said before, this is a no win situation. We are doing the best that we can to make decisions that we believe will have impacts down the road. And the models that are telling us that if we don't act now, that we will have hospital surge and we will have difficulty and people will die. And we don't want to get to that point. I 100% agree with you about the impacts that we are seeing in the communities and clearly the impacts economically across our nation are huge. And I hear you, my concern is, again, it's not a choice between economics and life. What I'm saying is that if we're all hold up on our homes, the diseases here in three and a half weeks and the small businesses are bankrupt, and we don't have the social safety net to help people, the surge is still coming. And so we can't stay in our homes for eight weeks, 12 weeks, six months. And so at some point, bullet holes, starvation, obesity from eating Doritos chips, heart disease. I mean, the numbers, what I'm not hearing anyone say is I am not hearing anyone say what are the health consequences of continuing to do this. Mental illness, I mean, suicide rates. I mean, we're on day two and I am hearing people, just for example, right? All right, so I'm getting phone calls. I get the phone call from the CEO of Otterbox, 1200 employees. I get phone calls from our restaurant vendors. So our restaurants are currently, you know, out of business. Now you can do takeout, but we got to lay off of all the employees. Now that's not economics. These are people who can't afford food, who can't afford rent, who can't afford medicine. They are going to have health impacts. Deaths will occur. So all right, now we come out three and a half weeks later, maybe eight weeks later, I don't know, but vendors are not earning money. They're going to be bankrupt. They're not going to be able and they're not going to be around in order to support the restaurants. You've got Dennis, lawyers. I mean, no one's calling. Everyone's at home. No business. We're firing people. We're reducing salaries. We're not paying our mortgages. Again, so we are currently, I mean, so just like, so my background, screw the fact that I'm mayor, screw the fact that I'm on City Council. My background is economics, MBA, taught at CU, New York Times bestselling researcher. I mean, I'm telling you, just like people before were saying that the coronavirus was coming and people ignored it. I'm telling you, we're not going to have a recession. We're not going to have a depression. We are facing the worst economic disaster in the history of the world. And if no one is left after with jobs, we are going to face health consequences much more than a disease that's going to kill 0.05 of 1% of us. And so I picture this up on top of Everest and we're stuck on Everest. It's cold and we're scared. And so we're sitting in our tent, sucking our oxygen. We still have to get down the mountain. We're still going to freeze. So coronavirus is going to be there in three and a half weeks except that I'm going to be out of business. My employees won't have money to pay for rent and neither will 80% of the small businesses and other industry in our state. And so what then, when there's no safety net? And so I think that, I think the health administrators, the hospital workers, the doctors, they're all getting paid. And I think the tunnel vision here on this disease is worrisome. And flattening the curve, fill up the ICU, lighten it up. Because we got to start, I want someone to come over and spit in my mouth so I can go get in the hospital now because I'm not going to die because we're not full. But in the meantime, we're all bunkered down in our homes and we're not going to stop this disease. We're just killing all the resources we have to save us when the disease comes. And I've listened in on these phone calls with Mayor Hancock and the Metro mayors. I've talked to the epidemiologists who are advising the governor. And the one thing I hear from everybody is, no one knows what to do. And so what we're doing is just doing this out of panic and we're strangling ourselves. Then you throw into the fact that it's a, sorry, in the dark here in the mayor's office, then you throw in the fact that, that it's campaign season and yet Democrats, Republicans going at it, this is just freaking stupid. And I'm not panicking. I'm just saying it's only a matter of time before people who think like me start doing things that are going to be quite concerning. Cincinnati, they're not even responding to assaults. They're not even responding to misdemeanor crimes. Here in Longmont, that's going to happen. So then what? We're letting people out of our jails. We don't have our courts open. We've basically suspended the freedom of assembly. I mean, this is insane. And I just think somebody needs to say it. It is insane. So the rest of you guys can do what you want. I'm going to follow the current orders, but this is only going to get worse. And it's not going to be the virus that's going to cause it. That's all I have to say. And I can respond to a couple of those things. And I appreciate hearing you say that you're going to follow it. One of the things that we saw in China, that is absolutely part of this. And I know that Harold has the reference to this. Some of these studies and the research is that there, this has to happen. You can't just shut things down and not do anything. You're exactly right. Because what happens when you do that is you get a spike. You shut the spike down. And then as soon as you open things back up, the spike comes back up. So I was misunderstanding what you were asking me at the front end. And I'm just going to say that there is, there is options for us to take that we are taking what we talked about the governor's, what we talked to the governor's office and CDP a T about is the latest research that talks about ramping up testing. So we know that if we can shut this down and we can slow the spread of the virus and we can ramp up testing at the same time, which there is, there is an opportunity to ramp up testing. The Colorado hospital association has reached out to hospitals. There's a new FDA test that was released today. They have some testing components that are coming forth. And at the same time, we ramp up our ability to really be able to make sure we're doing all the contact investigations. We're isolating people and making sure that we're quarantining people who we think have the virus, but we don't have the test back yet. Those things together along with the shutdown is what was successful in China. And there's guesses about how close we are to being able to be effective at that based on where we are in the United States. But that is the approach that's being taken. That's what's being talked about right now. That's you probably have heard that again. If you've been listening to the national news, those components are absolutely included in a shutdown is trying to make sure that those pieces are in place. So we can't guarantee when will we have. So, I mean, exactly, unless we have testing or a vaccine, what we're doing is useless. And so right when, when will we have a near instantaneous test for the virus? Is it coming in a week, two weeks, three weeks, eight weeks? I mean, when? Because if it's not coming soon, it's not going to matter. That's right. It's expected to be within two weeks is the best information that we're hearing. I'm happy to send that to you as a follow-up after this so that you can see at least the information that I know. And there's, as you know, there's no guarantees in this. There's no guarantees. Well, there's no guarantees, but the one guarantee I can tell you is that you cannot. I mean, for example, right? My offer, 24 employees, right? We always keep on hand six months of cash reserves. That's going to be gone in less than a month because everything stopped. You cannot continue to pay people when there's not money coming in because contrary to belief, whether you're Republican, Democrat money means nothing. It's paper. It's the production. It's the resources. It's the effort you get and produce to make things happen. Nothing's happening right now. And so I know that. So I don't know what's going to happen with the virus, but I do know that if this isn't done quick, it's not going to be good. And it has nothing to do with the virus. So I guess what I don't know what else to say about it other than I just hope the, I don't even hope. I insist that the Boulder County health administrators, the state administrators, the governor and all the people who were elected and serving patients who get salaries. And we're focusing on this one cause of death. Why don't we just go home and just ban tobacco? We will save infinitely more lives. But we're all worried because I mean, if a hundred people die in a car accident, we're all going to, you know, we're not going to care. But if 30 people die on a plane, we're going to put it on national news and we're all going to look at it. We're scared to death that grandma and grandma, one of them will die because we have to choose who to save. But right now, we are going to see so much more death, illness, et cetera, unless people start, stop looking at the virus models, which nobody can tell me that they're accurate and start looking at the economic models and start guessing what in the hell is going to happen because it's not a guess. It's common. And you've got less than three, three and a half weeks to figure it out. But that vaccine isn't here like stat. You're going to have, yeah, I'll abide for a time, but not not long, not until 17. Are there any other questions for council? Yes. Yes. I would like to say something. Harold. Okay. Okay. I would like to let. Hey, speak some more. Because we're here to listen to Jay. And to hear Boulder County's strategy. I would also like to say, and I particularly would like to hear an update on how we are doing with. In the county and locally with masks and other protective equipment for the hospitals. I'd also like to know whether we have any capacity. Or more testing to me, if we are going to learn the tests, the lessons from China, from Korea, they have done universal testing so that they can. Sort people out so that we can get the people who are most who are most severely effective. Out of put them in quarantine and the rest of the. Businesses can go on. Denmark is also doing something. Which is much more sensible than what we're proposing to do, which is that they are going to pay 75 to 90%. Of every. Person's wages to the business so they can keep them going. That will keep them going for a while. Instead of handing somebody $1200, which will not last very long when our rents are now. Going past that so. I also would like to reassure people that if you look at the order. The Denver order, it's really very comprehensive. I looked at it yesterday. I read it because a friend of mine who runs a business. He's a. Mailing shipping out online learning. Wanted to see if there was an exception for him, and there actually is the order is very, very well thought out. It lists number of of exceptions or basic infrastructure, basic businesses. This is what we need to keep going with our basic businesses, our basic infrastructure, all those things, and there are numerous. And so I would urge everybody to read the order. I hope that our order from. Holder County public health. Which you, which Jay said was based upon the Denver order. I hope it is that comprehensive and offers exceptions for. Basic essential infrastructure. And so I would urge everybody to read the order. I hope that our order from. The Denver order is based upon the Denver order, and offers exceptions for basic essential infrastructure, basic essential businesses. And anyway, I just, I would like to go back to listening to. Jay speak so that we can actually move on with this. Meeting. Thank you. I'm done. Is it J or Jeff? It's Jeff. Jeff. Two questions. I've looked at the order. I'm puzzling over number nine under essential businesses. A licensed gun and ammunition retailers. You could maybe share why that's viewed as an essential business. Number one, number two, under the activities. I'm going to interpret what I've read to mean. That walking, biking, the kinds of things that people do. Maintain both health, health, both emotional and physical health. So long as we're practicing social distancing, those things are allowed because that's one of the questions that we're all getting. You know, can we still ride our bike? And we still understand you can't congregate in parks and have play dates in those things. But the kinds of outdoor activities that at least would allow families to take a walk on the greenway or in their neighborhoods would be acceptable. Anyway, I'll mute myself and listen to the answers. Thank you for those questions. And I can touch on the PPE question that was asked earlier as well. So we have under our emergency operation center that Dan was referencing. We have a distribution of PPE that goes out to priority providers. We have a number of health care facilities. We have assisted people that include healthcare, our long-term care facilities, some of the ones that are of more risk. And at this point, we have enough for a couple weeks. We are expecting some more PPE to come. I know that the governor's office because there has been a challenge with the national level PPE getting to us in a way that feels like it's going to be sustainable for the long term. So we are looking for an innovation task force that is looking at how can we generate PPE within our own state. So we are looking and hoping to that. I think Boulder County, we're actually better situated. We've had a lot of donations, including the St. Rain Valley School District, which donated over 8,000 masks. We also just received our strategic national stockpile distribution. So in terms of masks for us and with the predictions that we're seeing coming forward, we think we have enough for two weeks or more at this point. And that's obviously going to depend on what happens in our community. The second, the other questions that I heard you ask about, one was if I heard it, was why is ammunition and I think it's ammunition. I don't remember exactly how it's phrased in the order, but why are guns and ammunition considered an essential service? We talked with our sheriffs across the state and it was very clear and from two perspectives, from a constitutional right as well as from the ability to have and get ammunition as well as guns, not just for police and sheriff, but also for other like security guards, those kinds of things that need to be armed, that that needed to be included. And then I think you had the other question you had was about why is it that it's okay for people to be out walking around in parks and places like that? And we really had to balance this closely. It's important for some of the reasons that have already been mentioned about maintaining our ability to keep a positive mental health. So we've stressed in the order and we are doing targeted education and outreach around the order to make sure that people of groups of four or less are able to go out together as long as they are maintaining the separation of six feet and that's really critical in all of this. We want people to be able to go out and we don't want them to be, it doesn't help and it doesn't make sense for people to crowd on trails that are narrow. So we are doing some direct education outreach. We put up some signs on our trail heads that we know we've had challenges with even when we weren't in this situation, but we want people to be able to get out and to be able to walk and exercise. And we just want them to do it in the area where they have the ability to have the separation of at least six feet from each other. So that is what others have landed on across the nation and we felt like that was important to keep in our order as well. Jeff, this is Tim Waters and I'm the one who asked that question. I wasn't asking why. I was confirming that was the case. I think that's a good decision and I wanted to make certain that I was interpreting it properly. Both for my family and for the people who continue to ask me is what we're doing okay. And I've said yes. Not only is it okay, it's important that you get out and that you practice good social distancing, but you also take advantage of our environment and stay emotionally balanced and get enough vitamin D in your system and those kinds of things. But Polly, I just wanted to follow up also on the PPE question locally. We talk to our hospitals every day multiple times a day and our local clinics too, like Salud and Hope Light, for public safety. On the police side, we're pretty good. They typically don't need PPE as often as the fire department and the EMS. On the fire side, we're getting pretty close. We're probably in that week to two weeks where we're going to start running out. They're starting to conserve what they use. It's certainly our biggest need right now is PPE on the fire side. There's a certain type of mask that the whole country is looking for right now that is kind of the shortage. We're scouring the country for those things. Like Jeff mentioned, we're kind of in the same big system that all the county entities are. He mentioned the strategic national stockpile that we did get a small chunk of that. I don't know if you can imagine that. Is it nearly as much as we asked for? But if you can imagine everybody in the country is looking for that sort of thing, but that certainly is our biggest need. You know, I'd say on the fire side, we're, you know, in that eight to 10 days and we're going to try to stretch it as far as we can. But we have been shopping like crazy everywhere we can look for it. Are there any other questions from council? Yeah, I have a question. And this is in regard to the grocery stores. How are we to mitigate the number of people in the stores when they get crowded? How are we able to ensure social distancing in those spaces? Thank you for that question. Yeah, thank you for that question. The first thing we'd like you to do is if you, if you are seeing crowded grocery stores, and I can give you this number in a, when you're ready, but we do have a call, a central call line. We want to know about those situations. Our approach with the grocery stores has been to have, and I know many of them have moved to this, is to move to high risk populations going to the grocery store at a certain time, but then requesting that people are following social distancing. We know for sure that we're going to have to spend time educating people. We want you to let us know if you're not seeing that happen. We are spending a fair amount of time looking at how we get the message out, visiting grocery stores, specifically to help reduce the, or make sure that there is social distancing in place, because that is what is going to, to allow us to be successful at reducing the spread of this virus. With, again, not many people spreading the virus and not knowing it, that social distancing aspect is really important. And obviously groceries at the store are also very important. And I'd heard a lot of feedback from folks to not try to, to limit the grocery store specifically to certain numbers of people and things like that, because it was going to be so difficult to, to institute. So we are going to focus on the education approach, make sure that people are following the social distancing to the maximum extent possible. Harold. My hands been up for a real long time. Are we not doing that? I can't see hands. We're going to need people jumping in. All right. After Paulie, please. If you can text me that you want to come in, that would, or you send me a message. There's a message function. I just saw yours. So I just saw yours come up. So what you did, Marsha would help. So Paulie, go ahead. And then if we can have Marsha come in. Great. I'm sorry. I, Marsha's free to do with this. I just wanted to get some update on the testing. Because to me, this is really where we're falling down. It's not testing. It's nearly impossible to get a test. I've tried and it's nearly impossible. And to me, this is a real flaw in what we're doing. If New York city can have 20,000 people tested a day. We should be able to do a better job in Colorado. Thank you. Thanks for that question. And testing is on all of our minds, obviously. There's been, but there's been a ton of feedback. It's been provided to the governor. I know the governor's told us that he's met with a vice president multiple times to stress this as well. We do. We do see that there's opportunities to increase testing in our own state. Denver has been successful at doing that. As I mentioned before, I don't know the technicalities of all the tests, but what I can commit to do after the meeting is to make sure that I send that to Harold and he can destroy it. To all of you so that you can see how we've reached out to hospitals to ramp up testing. Most of the hospitals that we've heard back from at this point said that they can do that. It's probably going to take a couple of weeks for us to get there. But we are already seeing an increased ability to do testing and especially in the Metro Denver area specifically. Councilmember Christians. We're also starting to see information coming to us into the community. We may see some of that closer to us. And so we know that's happening. The point that I wanted to make just point is when you look at these two things and Jeff, if I mistake this, tell me, jump in. But the conversation I had is the order that he's talking about really is. And then on the testing piece, because I think what's going to happen is that we're going to be able to see that. And then on the testing piece, because I think what the end goal in this is to then shift from isolating the well people to really identifying and isolating those that have the virus. Is that correct Jeff? Yeah, that is exactly correct. And I'm happy to make sure Harold, if you don't have the link to that research that I can send that and you can share that with council as well. And it's again, it's the same thing that you've heard Tom Friedman. If you've watched the national press talk about in this last couple of days and it's being repeated a lot by the governor of New York and others. Council member Martin and then council member Peck. Thank you, Harold. I think that first of all, I'd like to say that we need to reckon with the number of people who during the last two weeks of beings of staying at home by following recommendations have had this virus and recovered. I'm one of those at least to a, you know, 95% certainty according to my personal situation. And I was never sick enough that I would have stopped my normal activity if I hadn't known what was going on. And if it hadn't been an advisory from the governor to do so. So I would have infected several hundred people or at least exposed several hundred people. And I think we are forgetting that that's the primary reason for these stay at home orders. I have questions that I promised constituents that I would ask and they have to do with the people who are experiencing homelessness right now. The first thing is we have, we have some no eviction orders in place, but that is apparently there's an exemption for, for low cost by the week motels. And we have a couple of those are homeless day laborers tend to stay in when they can. I am concerned that the way things, people can be turned out of those places and, and at least one of those hotels, I'm not naming names, but at least one of them has distributed flyers that say pay or you'll be kicked out. So what's the story? Because it clearly is a public health problem for people, the more people who are unhoused and exempt from the stay at home order on the ground, the greater public health concern those people become. Absolutely. No, I was going to, I was going to say, absolutely we've done a lot of work on that. And I was going to defer to see if you wanted to answer it, you want me to answer. So I'll start answering it. I have Elizabeth and Eugene on here to start moving. But the executive order, 2012, to identify lawful measures to avoid or moving or executing eviction procedures, proceeding procedures against tenants or mobile home owners without. So I'll start answering it. I have Elizabeth and Eugene on here to start moving. But the executive order, 2012, to identify lawful measures to avoid or executing procedures against tenants or mobile home owners without cause, or as a result of late payment or rent or minor tenancy violations. Then they have the, the DPS and the sheriffs and others working in terms of the enforcement. Boulder County, the sheriff actually does the enforcement for evictions. And they're not enforcing that. They're not enforcing that either. And so those are two pieces that come into that conversation. The only thing that, that I was brief on that I think still is hanging out there, but it really more is to a, I'm going to speak louder. So the only thing that is not, that still has some capability is evictions related to health issues. And specifically the example that I received is that if you had a house with met or something like that, that is a different conversation. I know there's, I've heard there's a couple of evictions that were actually done before this occurred. And that's a slightly different conversation that folks were trying to work on. But what we're briefed on those measures are in place. Is that correct, Dan? Jeff, did I miss anything? Liz, did I miss anything? No, I think you covered most of what I was going to talk about with exception of just making sure that people are aware that if we do have people who have tested positive, we do have a place for homeless folks to go to ensure that they're not mixing with the general population. And, but all those things are true. And we are working, we've already worked really closely with our housing and human services folks on not evicting somebody or making sure that they have a place to go if they are in a mess, impacted house. Okay. Thank you very much. That's that's reassuring because there are, as I said, some landlords who are saying or are telling their residents otherwise, and I want to be able to reassure them. And I think, I think the key piece on that council member Martin, and this is what we're also thinking about is if you can forward those communications to us so we can send them to the appropriate location. And so we can get accurate information out that would help us a lot. Okay. Yeah, it's discussed on Facebook, which makes it harder. But if you'll tell me where who to contact them, I can tell them who to contact. We will get that out to council in terms of we'll figure out who the best person is for each issue. Okay. Thank you. And the other question that I have is about the. The people experiencing homelessness who are in fact using our shelters now. At night. They don't have any place to go during the day because. Every place that they used to go and sit. Is closed. Are we considering putting up. Some kind of a home base for the people in coordinated entry where, you know, I'm thinking tents. I'm thinking and gazebo someplace where they can get something to drink and, and that it would be reasonable to, to stay there rather than going wandering around. I don't think that. Not really. I think that's, I think that's the one thing that's causing public health problems. Potentially. I am. Especially concerned with the idea that. That. They are. Asymptomatic. But infected. Because we have screening. To get into the nightly shelters. But. There are a lot of people that would not respond to the that's it. Jeff you want to take this one? I would defer to Karen maybe first but I can answer take my shot at answering it if because Karen's pretty involved in this process. So what I can tell council is so we do we're working with Hope and our partners in terms of that sheltering component and there are screening components associated going in. I think we all do understand that it may not catch everything but they're doing the best they can to screen folks. That's also a current shelter location is well correct. So we're doing the same thing there. The challenge that we actually have this conversation on our administrators call is is also what does that mean in terms of the distancing and that type of issue and there's a I know there's a conversation starting in that group and it'll probably make its way in the parents group. It's a challenge to be honest with you just because of proximity and those types of issues and potentially actually creating a situation for more spread and so that's that's sort of what we're talking about. It's also give you a sense it's so we're partnering with overcounting city of Boulder and others in terms of CRC location. Boulder they are receiving individuals but the cost of that is about $25,000 a month and that will tie into some other conversation and it's going to be bringing forward. Councilmember Peck? Thank you Harold. So Jeff hi can you tell me what the percentage increase in affected people in Boulder County has been? I can give you let me just pull up the numbers. I don't know that I have totals from the very start but I can tell you what our current situation is if that would help. Yes it would. Bear with me for just one second and this is as of this is as of today and I can also maybe what I'll do is just let you know from a statewide basis just in general we're holding pretty closely to what the rest of the nation is seeing about 11% of the individuals that are tested are showing a positive 9% of those individuals that are positive are hospitalized and that's pretty close to the 10% rate that we're seeing at the national level and we're still seeing a 1% fatality rate and in Boulder County specifically and I'm sorry I do not have any numbers for a long month at this point but in Boulder County as of today we have a total of 55 cases and 31% of those are in the 19 to 29 year old range 38% of those are in the 30 to 59 year old range and 31% are 60 years of age and older and that tracks back a bit to those numbers that I had reported earlier when I was presenting that CDC was reporting that it's impacting a younger age group then then was first thought to be the case. Okay, the other thing actually what I really wanted to know was on a daily weekly basis what has been the percent of increase in new how fast is it growing in Boulder County and I think this actually my question actually relates to some of the issues that Mayor Bagley brought up how fast is it growing and and making a case for why we are doing this. So I can get those numbers I can get those numbers for you but I don't have them right here we had we can calculate that and send it to Harold to distribute to Council but I don't have that offhand right here. Okay, great. I would appreciate that and I just want to address some of the things that Mayor Bagley mentioned and reassure him and the public that I think I myself am also very concerned about the economic research the economic impact that this is going to have but none of us none of us here are doctors and this is not something that Longmont has come up but I actually asked for this work session to address some of the issues the evictions that Councilwoman Martin brought up the hopefully being able to extend leases when a lease is up without raising the rent possibly helping people meet their rent by using some funds that we have in the city for example the affordable housing fund and Harold you did address that with me. So if you could because I was thinking that perhaps we could use the affordable housing fund for no interest or low interest loans to people who are at home but need are losing paychecks. So could you address that with the larger group Harold as to why that affordable housing fund may or may not be a source of us to help our residents? So we had a section where I was going to ask Kathy to give an update. Okay I can wait yeah I can wait. Right and the other question the other question Harold that I would like you to address and one of the reasons that I wanted to have this study work session is that I feel that Council has to speak with one voice. It seems like I understand the the a bit of panic the anxiety on on the mayor's part and on other parts but it is worrisome to me that we give that message out to the larger residents to the larger population. So we've spoken when we had our one-off Susie Hedoglfering and I were with you about what can we do as council to bring this message to the residents and how do we do that? You had mentioned that perhaps we could have either channel 8 or channel channel 3 however you want to do that. Explanations where we are actually talking and giving an update we're all doing giving the same message out so that we know where the city is what it is we plan to do where the hospitals are etc everything that you're telling us but not everybody has access to doing this so I still want to address that if not the end of this session at another one I think that message needs to come faster than we're giving it so thank you that's it. So I definitely have some things that I need to counsel to think about how you're part of that again I had those at the end of this to say okay great I think part of what we talked about and I talked about this with all the council members just early on and we said how do we message certain things and how do we move through this honestly I think the challenge is I'm also watching other work occur right now right about the time we think we have everything we know what we need to message it lives on us and so that's been the challenge on this is just the pace of change okay that's great thanks Harold I just want to chime in real quick I'm not panicking I'm not panicking I did the question I'm gonna have forget all the other possible causes of death illness when we talk again with the county after two weeks so we've got 55 cases which means we're gonna have point five or maybe one death we're gonna have five people hospitalized I'm gonna want to know how many mental illness breakdowns have we had how many they how many people have been hospitalized for illness how many suicides we have because I mean not to mention all the other things that are kind gonna come as a result of the economy I'm just saying I want to know what this is causing in our community you're not hearing panic you're hearing frustration and I can't speak with one voice when I'm in district I don't know what our voice is but I'm what I'm stating is not panic what I'm stating is this is just brutal facts this is what's ongoing currently and so I'm gonna want to know what are the health impacts of doing what we're doing those are my questions in the future so in council knows in our meeting today with public safety we're gonna be keeping track of all of that data and try to see see movement and see what we're seeing Dan in addition to doing this works for groups so we're giving we're gonna hope to get real-time information Jeff I was gonna talk to you about this afterwards but I think is we're getting that I also want to share that with you so you can see what we're seeing in terms of chart in the community. Absolutely. Alright. Any more questions on this Jeff do you have anything else we need to finish? I had it muted no I'm that's all I wanted to cover I do want to share if people are interested the call number is further call center is 720-276-0822 and I'm sorry I said that wrong it's 720-776-0822. Mayor council are there any more questions for Jeff he's probably got to jump on a hundred other meetings I just want to make sure that we've asked everything of Jeff you need to. Harold this is calling. Yes ma'am. Can you hear me? I can't get you on the chat. I can hear you Paulie. Oh okay I just had one more question. When you look at I'm wondering why I'm sorry I'm wondering why it is not recommended that we wear masks because when you look at Asia one thing that they do is they have absolute universal masking that's one of their strategies and I'm wondering why we are not doing that I realize there's a problem with supply but if nothing else we could we can make our own masks or we can use scarves or something is better than nothing to me that is not so much to prevent us getting it but to prevent us spreading anything we might have I'm just wondering why is this just a matter of supply from Jeff I'm this is a question for Jeff is it just a matter of supply because there are a lot of a lot of women out there sewing up a storm of masks to give to hospitals so that's my question is for Jeff why no masking and it did the answer to that is what you already talked about and what we do is we look at the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control in terms of the recommendations that they make and when we get down to so I don't discourage people making personal masks for themselves or taking those kinds of those kinds of things into their own hands when we're talking about healthcare workers and having them masked up there are certain standards to make a mask that are required in order to be in those environments but simply cutting down on the the ability for somebody who costs to spread the disease can can happen with some of the things that you've talked about but there is specific requirements and recommendations when we distribute to healthcare or fire or anybody like that that is responding to one of these to one of these situations just a council Jeff I don't know if you know this the mayor just issued a statewide stay-at-home order and council will obviously be looking at this and bringing it together and Jeff I'm sure we need to talk about the same and what does that look like and those types of issues yeah and I did not know that was gonna happen today and I think you said the mayor but you met the governor right yeah the governor governor just issued a stay-at-home order okay thank you any more questions for Jeff Jeff can you repeat that number again yes it's seven I'm gonna look at my document to make sure I didn't write this down wrong so bear with me just one second I won't take long at all thank you it is seven two zero seven seven six zero eight two two if there's nothing else I want to thank you all for inviting me to the meeting I really appreciate the opportunity to answer questions like this with you so thank you Jeff you're doing a good job I mean as much as I'm frustrated you're doing good work thank you for everything you're thank you so the next person I want to bring up is Joni Marsh she's gonna talk about where we are on the business side I know that they reached agreement on major points in the legislation CML is involved in that we have folks looking at it so we're still trying to understand what's out there but Johnny can you come up and talk about where we are and what we're doing? Good afternoon Mayor Bagley members of council, Joni Marsh is the manager. So the Longmont Economic Development partnership along with our advanced Longmont partners in coordination with our OEM staff have put together a coordinated response team we have been meeting daily and coordinating efforts around what's going on with our local business community the team is really looking at all facets that includes small business large business and how we're communicating all the updates to legislation policy funding resources that are ever-changing we've created a community hub which resides on the LEDP website and that hub is updated every day it was last updated this afternoon and all everyone's website points to that so we're able to get people not only to the Department of Labor but also to apply for small business loans so we're really making an effort to coordinate that and we've done two surveys have gone out from the chamber in that group to gauge where businesses are at we did one last week and then we set one out again yesterday with updated questions really looking at what is happening to the small business community from a employment perspective laying off staff what are their needs and we're going to continue to meet daily looking at ways that we can help to put dollars towards that I've had a lot of questions about what the city may be doing in regard to dollars towards that and we're looking at some of the contract dollars in our 2020 Economic Development contract specifically that we may be able to repurpose for loans to businesses you've seen some of that come out of the city of Denver in the city of Englewood others are looking at that as well so as I said we're meeting daily and really trying to reach out to the business community and keep on top of things and in conjunction with the public health order I imagine we'll also be getting a significant number of calls about people's businesses if they can get to operate who's an essential business and we'll continue to work with the call center that Jeff mentioned and what's going on I'm happy to answer any questions that I can any questions from council did you all hear Joni are there any questions council knows I just wanted to thank Joni for giving that report I think it's I mean we're really it is really important that our small businesses and all the businesses be able to survive this it's going to be hard for every one of us every one of us you know everybody's our pensions are down and you know whatever it's all going to be difficult but we really as a city are committed to trying to keep our small businesses and other businesses healthy and happy and trying to support everybody so we can keep going after what this ends and it will end right and so part of what Johnny was talking about too that we're also doing what a lot of folks may not know is that within our organization and this is really something where we had a couple of people join our organization that are really talented when it comes to issues related to how we work with FEMA how we work and we have Kathy Bedler behind us who you know has been instrumental in leading the the Boulder County group in terms in terms of the DR funding via HUD but we also have just dropped Peter Peter and Charlie I just dropped their last names you know we're lucky to have those two individuals Charlie used to work for FEMA Peter really cut his teeth on our flood recovery and they're working with Dan and it's really also about this larger perspective of taking what's happening within the Small Business Administration how does that leak into what's happening and what we're hearing from FEMA and how does that tie into the HUD piece and that's really the work that we have to now move very quickly so so the council and the community knows we're not only really trying to manage what we're dealing with today in terms of churn but we're also shifting to say how do we bring these component components together I know some cities have already run some programs out but we also want to understand is what's the volume and and and take a little bit of time to understand how we can put together the best package we can so we don't get up to a point in time where we realize probably didn't do it right now we don't have money to do it correctly I've asked Joanie and Peter and Dan that's going to be on our list tomorrow with also that the partners that I mentioned earlier is really trying to get something solidified tomorrow so I'm sort of having to face up on that as well because to many points and something I want council to know and Jen's going to talk about this we're also fundamentally dependent on the success of the businesses in our community and the small businesses because that's also what drives our industry and and we're having to look at some of those issues and Jeff and Jim will come on shortly and talk to you about what we're looking at how we're preparing for it because in many ways that also impacts what are we going to be able to do when looking at some of the positions but Jim will come on shortly Kathy do you like are there any more questions from council I'm trying to look at the list Harold I have seen any I have one um it's like this is the right time to ask this is about people in the gig economy who are not eligible for unemployment and I'm wondering which of them are essential permitted non-essential etc. I'm thinking specifically of people who are doing domestic lawn services and house cleaning services to me that it seems like there's a difference between these two because the lawn services kind of people can practice social distancing while they work I'm not so sure about personal cleaning services but uh I know some kinds of home care are prohibited and some are allowed can can you go over what the order means with respect to those people because they're very vulnerable um oh Dan I know we've got folks looking at this so when you talk about the gig economy in general I think there was an exemption for that broader transportation in terms of tax cuts in those issues Liz are you on yes I am so with the caveat that we don't have the order yet from the governor that's going to govern just looking at boulder counties I don't see how long service would fit into the essential businesses so I think part of that gets into so here's where the question comes in so maintenance so my specific questions about our county in terms of maintenance and as we look at what we need to do in terms of maintaining our parks and our our golf courses and when I described that they said that maintenance I keep in your yard in your home actually would qualify and so that's that's a conversation I have with the county that's why councilmember Martin when we talk about call this number and really push people into the county is because they're going through that right now and answering those questions so what I can say is when I asked about maintaining our golf courses and those things they said that would qualify as an essential company so the number that Jeff talked about and you'll see it all over our press releases it is a call center that they're creating to do this the call center is not up yet does that mean the call center is not up yet you said there was supposed to be up this afternoon okay and then also I wasn't quite clear on what you said mowing golf is the same as or different than mowing lawns and that's where we have to look at it because of the logic based on so this ties into other issues that we have in terms of course and you can't let that go and some people aren't able to do it and so you have those issues and that'll be something I will put into the county myself and get the answer okay all right just so you know we're asking very similar questions because we're struggling trying to find the nuances and really get what applies to us okay so don't know yet but it's a high priority question correct and then I just got some information from Kathy it says the federally bill is supposed to allow contract workers it looks like potentially 1099s to get unemployment and so again those are things we just have to digest to answer some of these questions thank you are there any other questions from council council member farry yes ma'am yes I was wondering and maybe Joanie can speak to this about efforts being made to reach out to banks to modify loans something that I've been hearing from small business folks and even homeowners people who um landlords is you know we are in and I'm tired of saying this word in my lifetime we are experiencing something unprecedented and we need to change and be creative in how we are approaching this and maybe it's something where banks are shifting like putting a freeze on what they're um on the principal and stop interest payment and bump it to the end of their loan I mean I'm just throwing ideas things that I've heard things that we've discussed in different organizations that I've been working with in reaching out to our federal and state governments I just want to ask Kathy to come up and this may be a part of your briefing so Kathy's going to answer some of those questions when she when she gets into her briefing um uh regarding I think Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and what they're doing so if we can hold that question into Kathy's briefing and just stay on the business side that would help us a lot are there any more questions for Joanie on the business side? Harold yeah I want to correct what I said I just went through the order more thoroughly on page seven landscapers are included and that but that is in the boulder county order we just don't know yet what's coming from the governor thank you and again you're seeing we're still digesting all of this information any other questions on the business side Kathy are you ready for your update? Hello council and Kathy Fidler um housing and community investment coordinator and I was caring for time but Karen's back yay so um high level look at housing and individual assistance on the federal level there is a moratorium on foreclosures and evictions or single family homeowners with FHA insured mortgages for the next 60 days that was part of the president's order forbearance can be offered which causes your mortgage payments HUD is looking at ways to increase budget authority for housing authorities that are starting to experience their half payments the portion that the housing authority pays to landlords rising due to a tenant paid portion loss of income on the tenant side so they can pay less so we're starting to hit some budget capacity so they are looking at how to impact that um on the state level um the governor uh said that landlords should weigh late fees through April avoid rent increases and delay evictions and of course we're in during eviction stay here in boulder county um they also provided the state is providing three million dollars for rent assistance that we think is going to be rolled out through the housing authorities um we have a group of the three um housing um programs of city of boulder city of longmont and boulder county as well as the three housing authorities working on uh trying to get information on that and how that will roll out um there's also have the colorado works in tana that's available through the state and unemployment benefits um then i guess i would caution our advice for folks that um are struggling to pay their rent or their mortgage the advice is always to um call and talk to the mortgage or lean holder or um landlord ask for help and consideration around uh their issues that they're having and again for mortgages they can ask for forbearance um they can also contact the boulder county um financial counseling program uh who we pay to work on for closure prevention uh they will serve as a mediator or facilitator with the mortgage companies as well as asking and um outlining forbearance in workout situations so excuse me um that is something that is available for everybody um and then this before i get into further county things i want to say that city staff has been participating in all calls um and all the different uh groups that have formed around um dealing with the various things that are popping up um to make sure that longmont needs are considered um we have a great partnership with all of those uh different agencies um and groups and um want to point out that the county has the bulk of resources um so we are working with them to prioritize all of the funding um that is available in collaboration um as well as um funding that we might have available as as well to make sure that we're addressing gaps and needs that aren't already being met um we did fill the call with uh individual senior independent developments um there was about six different um developments that hopped on that call just to touch base and make sure that um those are operating on the same um page their visitor um um policies are comparable that people are letting in home service workers home health workers um and people for groceries and that kind of thing that they're not shutting down totally so that's another way that we've reached out to the community to help um the seniors um in our community make sure that their needs are being met so the county also operates the housing stabilization program with the human services safety net for individuals and families experiencing housing instability there's a rapid rehousing program and the homestead program at the our center operates within um Longmont um both the Boulder county and Longmont community foundations are raising funds primarily right now funding for nonprofits that are providing direct services um but the community foundation was a good source of extra funding for us during the flood so that we could continue to serve people who are undocumented and aren't eligible for federal or state funding that might have restrictions with it so in the city services community and neighborhood resources has been in contact with over 950 rental property owners um to talk to them about the eviction stay order not raising rents where they can turn if people aren't able to pay their rent um what we can do to try and help that um they're still doing mediations between landlords and tenants if that's needed and they provide resource information and referral and support to renters um particularly through a couple different organizations that they can refer to um CNR does have the ability to take on more cases they triage and then refer out what they can and continue to mediate and facilitate with landlords so um as we get you information on who to call when you get issues around um that you're hearing about people maybe trying to get evicted or not unable to pay their rent it may be CNR that um they get sent to but we'll give you that information my division is continuing to provide emergency grants for water heaters and furnaces other kinds of emergency health and safety issues we have that set up so we can do that remotely so that work can continue and then senior services the counseling staff is still providing services and information referral and assistance um we've been working closely with Cultivate which is a nonprofit organization to ensure grocery delivery for seniors in particular and then the friends organization of the seniors um has got a funding source for that can be used for undocumented senior older adults as well so that's a source that we're looking at on the food situation the Meals on Wheels is in full operation with backup plans in place and partnerships with restaurants set up so that if something happens in Meals on Wheels somebody gets sick or they can't continue we've got Plan B and I think of Plan C as well the R center is providing lunches through drive-thru and all three groceries through drive-thru they're operating right now while spring break is going on for the school districts and the school district should take that back over when spring break is over state john's food bank is still operating in the round pantry as well so people can still get resources through there um we are keeping in contact with our human service agencies to determine what ongoing needs that they have and help helping to address them we also I wanted to share in one of the meetings that I was on we talked about providing zoom meetings or podcasts to get information out to the community about some of these resources and services so the website's great but there's also other ways of getting that out and we apparently one of the agencies tried to zoom meeting and it was very successful and helpful so that's something that we'll be also looking at to get word out on stuff around individuals experiencing homelessness as you know the evening shelters are open at the two churches they are screening for symptoms outside of the shelters we are transporting to the COVID recovery center in east boulder seven folks are at that center so far since last friday night when it opened one of those is from longmont so only one has been transported from longmont volunteering has been good so far and we are looking the county is actually hiring some people to staff and oversee the CRC so that we aren't dependent on volunteers all the time on the showering that is operating in conjunction with the shelters the showering happens right before each shelter opens and it gets it goes back and forth those are also screen folks are screened before services are provided they can shower up to three times per week first time is they just show up and get in and after that then it is on a reservation basis so they'll have access to that and they sign up for specific days and times two people used it on monday a couple more last night so we will continue to report out on how that's working and then the restrooms are open at most of the parks i think eight different parks have restrooms that are open another 12 is supposed to open by the end of this week and they are being cleaned twice a day it's my understanding and i'm just looking at some of my so one of the ongoing needs that we do have is to ensure we have resources for folks that are undocumented so we will continue to work on on that the other need that has popped up is and that we're still trying to understand is around providing medications for folks that are as especially as they shelter in place delivery of medications that was a real issue during the flood getting people their medications so working on a system to to help provide that so i think that's pretty much everything that i had so if there's any questions i would be happy to answer them hi Kathy this is Joan um first of all i want to thank you very much for all the work you've done i've known this is really detailed my question is about airbnb's those rentals are usually uh they're made months in advance uh doesn't airbnb fall under a business are they allowed to still keep working people coming from other states and if they are are the renters being told about our status here as far as the roles and the closure so that's probably a legal question again i think airbnb's or short term rentals are included to be shut down not to operate non-essential i don't know i think there's an exception so there's a residence exemption and then there's something related to hotels for essential travel we'll need to probably dig into that one because it doesn't fit squarely into a category so we can ask that question as well okay hey herald herald oh sorry just Eugene go ahead i'm sorry hi council Eugene may here so there is a definition of residences in the boulder county order i think it's premature without seeing the governor's order that we know is now pending to really speculate okay i think that uh the residences i think the purpose there is more of a long term if people are coming in for short term you know is that business that that seems to be the question and uh i think we wait until the governor's order is out okay thank you Eugene herald it's brian hey just just one thing is an aside i don't know when it's appropriate to point it out but driving over here our golf courses are closed right correct they are full sunset golf course said had had uh foresams on on anyway i'm just seeing lots of people playing golf it's on the list well now the golf courses are closed that says that's not related to the order they're closed are there any questions on what kathy presented no questions so um now i'm gonna what does all of this mean for us um jim you still on the line yeah i'm here so i'm gonna ask jim to jump in and go over what this means with us i know jim sent some information to marike rego to get the media about what's going up to you all so jim do you want to go over that information you bet so council i did send that just at the beginning of this meeting to y'all on an email i'm just going to run through that my comments are in there and i'll add some more to it at the end so this is all about some rough estimates for us to be able to try to start to begin to do some budget here particularly for 2020 what we need to do in the faiths budgetary shortfalls we will be surely facing but how much and how big is the question the approach that i took with that i wanted to estimate that for 2020 i was going to get two full months of sales tax for january factoring and then followed by at some point two full months of severe impacts on sales news tax because of this uh uh coronavirus uh impacts then i got built into there that i would probably end the rest of the for the following eight months it was sort of a recession how the question is a question no um beyond 2020 i'm sure they would continue to be a recession that is what we're planning for 2021 but we would not be doing 2021 estimates for a couple more months so i'll have a better handle on where we're at so using that type of approach and i hope conservative estimating i'm projecting a 14 million dollar revenue impact in 2020 for the five funds that receive sales and news tax one million of that is from reduced revenue uh from recreation as well as in revenue and we're going to have investment revenue impacts in all of our funds um remaining 13 million dollars is my sales and news tax revenue shortfall as uh so the breakout set 14 million dollars of shortfall 2020 7.8 million in the 550,000 in the public improvement fund 0.75 million in the streets fund three quarters of a million in the open space fund 2.2 million dollars in the public safety fund so one thing i point out that way is uh we're not concerned that it's going to impact our ability to make any debt service payments since 2000 we're fine in that regard and we've begun to talk to staff about the shortfall and have them begin to do some planning about budget adjustments no last week we asked you to uh tell us to set aside 1.6 million dollars that was headed towards the emergency reserve relation instead that's in the fund fund balance can be used to and to offset some of this revenue shortfall on that fund we're identifying one-time dollars uh budgeted throughout each of these five funds that we can either put on hold or else and make those somehow available to offset the shortfall public safety fund i'm concerned about that it's going to be a challenge most of the expenses in that fund are salary and benefits so there's not a lot of opportunity for savings there we are going to have to have some thought into how we're going to deal with that but there will definitely be some major adjustments to operating budgets in most of these funds uh we will get back with you to let you know what our plans are as soon as we can as soon as we identify them we have ideas identified but Harold has uh not had time to deal with that at this point we're going to get with them see what he's good with and go forward with that and bring him to you for your review as well again the estimates are only based on two months of extreme shortfalls if conditions persist longer than that the impact we grow by at least four and a half million dollars per month what I did with my estimates is I really took a look at everything that laid up our impacts in March and April of last year and determine which of these are good candidates to continue grocery stores the discount stores uh sales tax just the sure things so that's why I hope that this is a uh a conservative estimate um what we're doing for sure right away we're going to be we're not we haven't stopped hiring positions we're doing a selective firing freeze um most positions probably frozen but there are some that will be crucial to this effort uh new capital price we're not starting any they're going to be on hold until we can make decisions on what we need to withstand shortfalls and also to see how long this might be going on the bond projects that we funded last year I'm happy to say those are not impacted because it's bond money and those monies are are set aside is not impacted by sales tax I'm going to take a little bit of hit on the areas that we were projected on that but I think we're still in a position to fund the budget for those bond projects uh we are reviewing most of our expenditures before they're made to make sure that they're for high priority expenses or high necessity expenses as point and enterprise funds even though are they're not listed here I said that each fund will be impacted from their investment revenues we also need to be concerned about uh our our uh bill payers and their ability to pay their monthly bills so we're trying to watch that closely to see what the impacts will be there so they're uh ready to proceed with caution as well I'm monitoring the city's revenue valley particularly like I said the utility bill payments and the and the sales tax that we're receiving to see if there's any trends developing it's early uh the sales tax that we're viewing out is really set it's sales tax for February operations so and theoretically those operations are not impacted so that's all I'm seeing now with the uh pay right now versus uh whether or not we're seeing reductions in so or how much so I will not know the impact on sales tax for at least a month as far as the business activity going down so that that's all not due to us until April 20th so it'll be hard to see whether these projections I've made are too low or too high anytime before that point until I had if you had any questions I could try to answer any questions mayor council it's it's it's brian hey gem just a question how much how much we're in our our reserves and is this the time we use those reserves or do the reserves stay there and we just kind of figure out how to so far the anticipated shortfall uh mayor bagley looks to could do that off my head I can use second I can pull it up but my the answer to the second party question is we certainly should be looking at that 1.67 million is the amount that was was there for stabilization so basically for a time like this so uh short of that I think we had another 300 thousand dollars that was at uh before uh 2019 so that would be uh certainly a source to look at as well um but we have another center of reserves as well that is an emergency reserve I think we'll we'll be talking about that and bringing that back to your consideration when we bring out our other recommended all right and I guess the follow-up question is so if we have so let's I mean if this is all over in two months and it's not a big deal that's not me by the way maybe his feedback is it so I guess my question is if the follow-up question is if we continue to see so let's put if if some of these restaurants and small businesses go under right um or when whatever but if that were to happen and this were to persist and we have not a 14 million dollar but maybe a 50 million dollar shortfall at what point um do the wheels come off the wagon meaning um how I wonder how severe is a 14 million dollar shortfall in layman's terms and should it get worse um at what point do you really really really get worried well I'm worried already so I I would say now at this point I when we we stand this two months we believe I think we will as we start to go uh further out at four and a half million dollars more per month I think it's going to begin to to affect our operating budget for 2020 pretty significant and I mentioned that public safety fund has mostly salary and benefits well the general fund has a lot of salary and benefits in it as well so what we're saying now is we can withstand two months and we're going to come back to you and let you know how we're going to do that but as if it moves farther on I wish I could tell you exactly what but it's going to begin to impact services if revenues don't come back now there's a certain portion of them will be there one way or the other but they won't all come back that fast all right and I guess my last final question is um so well we know what's going to go for at least another three and a half weeks right and then whatever the repercussions are after that will be the repercussions um what I hate what are the what what services do we have as a city I mean just anticipating so we're not caught flat footage should that happen um what are the services that the city would look to what services do we have in a situation like this that we consider fat or even lean muscle or non-lean muscle that that we turn to you for at first obviously police and fire no um but what would we where do we start so so let me jump in and answer that question so I want to answer the first question and say are we concerned yes I mean and what have we done because we're concerned so there's a few things um essentially the hiring freeze where I'm going to make the decision on what positions we fill and what positions we don't fill second piece is saying don't spend the one time funding that we have that we put in the budget because we may need the third piece is stock capital projects you know if we're already in it we're in it and we've got to finish it but anything that we haven't started we need to stop that so that we can understand what that looks like and then take the broader you know then understand here's what we have and this is what it looks like the piece on the next piece is a harder conversation and what I will tell you is that's what we're getting into right now to then understand is what does that look like and what are the triggers and so the way I want to structure it is we have a menu of things and as we're understanding we're kicking through that menu the challenge that we have and this is a question when I say we're hearing the same thing that the community's hearing is we have the same questions coming from the people that that serve our residents on the daily basis am I going to have a job am I going to do this and what we've said is based on what we know today we feel like we can manage through this situation if it continues the last thing I want to touch is the people that serve this organization on a daily basis because at the end of the day when it flips we're still going to need to be there to do certain things and what I will tell council is we will have that answer for you we're just having to work through it right now thanks Harold and also Jim thank you are there any other questions this is Tim uh questions for Jim or just are we at the end of this uh questions for Jim or me on the financial piece no I'll mute I do have some questions not for Jim okay okay I do have a question and I don't know if you have to read the HR uh 6379 about the um taking responsibility take responsibility for workers and family act what are some of the things as I'm reading some of the safeguards money's given to businesses and and I want to see local governments in there I'm kind of browsing through right now what would be some of the impacts or some relief that we could receive from that and what are some other things we can be as a council or um even pushing forward to our state and federal level just like using utilizing the bully pulpit so to speak um to push to get relief um for our local government so so the simple answer to that is really it's going to be embedded in the legislation that really tasks that addresses how females when approaching how they're going to work with cities the the dollars that are created if they have a DR type component on this a little bit different because every city in the United States is going through this I know there is a lot of chatter today about at least in the Senate bill um in contacting our our federal representative about making sure that cities and cities like Longmont counties like Boulder County fall into the category that can seek certain funds I think at one point again this is churning really fast I think at one point early today I heard it was like a half population which would exclude us so I think if council could do one thing is to call our federal representatives and say we need to ensure that cities in Colorado are included in this it may have changed I know it's churning and um CML is engaged in this and I think they're also sending information out to the council but right now that's the biggest risk I did receive an email from Joe Ngoosa's office and I'll read through that and I could set forward you that information but I I want to think as I browse through it it might address some of those things and I think we are included maybe yeah I haven't had a chance to get that briefing yet so any other financial questions a couple of things I want to cover um and it ties into some of these questions one thing I hope that council saw in the community saw is that there is a lot of work being done right now and to give you a sense of what our days look like um I'm looking at a schedule here and so OEM comes in for a briefing at eight um we then have a nine o'clock call with the county in terms of the coordination today we have every day at 10 we have what we call a CAN WebEx call from the organization where I'm meeting with everyone figuring out what are we hearing what's going on and today at 10 30 there was an economic impact WebEx at 12 we have the leadership WebEx where I meet with the leadership team at one every day there's a group for all the local administrators who are sitting down and talking to each other making sure we're in alignment where we know what's coming at us um three o'clock right three o'clock there's a state coordination call um and then at 4 30 we have another call in terms of figuring out what everyone's working on and so the volume right now is is tremendous and and so we're doing this doing with the issue today and then doing the work of looking at the issue tomorrow they could see it on the business side and the individual housing side and working with Jim on the financial side and directors doing this and so I want I hope today we communicated everything that's going on the uh the big thing that we need um any purpose before is PPE which is personal protective equipment um we have a lot of community members coming to us and contact us and so if you all know of anybody or it can help with that that that is a big for us I think a lot of times you know we hear about healthcare workers and we hear about first responders but we also needed in terms of the folks that are working at bills on bills our senior folks that may have to work with clients for what we've had to do with the housing authority I know you all know that we're having conversations about the housing authority and their situation and how we come together I will tell you now we've really folded them in in our response so that they can be integrated and have the support they need but literally last week we got a call they need gloves and hats because they're going in and so PPE is an important issue for us we are in the process of trying to secure volunteers I know we sent an email out to council regarding getting volunteers for the CRC facility in Boulder we have been fighting through some transportation issues we think we have that solved they need volunteers for transportation so that may be coming out so I think the second thing the council can really help us on is when we verify what we need and where and getting volunteers for that that is a big help to us we're being very careful because I will tell you one of the tenants of how we are all trained is that donation and volunteer management can also be a simultaneous disaster not that well and so that's what we're trying to make sure we don't get overwhelmed in that area probably the biggest thing the council can help us with is really getting the community and still support local businesses in the way that the water allows for that to occur the reality is and people go why are they taking these steps I will tell you I've had staff take pictures of different locations in terms of what we're doing and how we respond I mean there is individual responsibility there's organizational responsibility and there's community responsibility and what a lot of people are reacting to and we're better than most don't need to say that but when they go to a park and they see 50 kids on the playground equipment 10 to 20 parents sitting in the shelter people are reacting to that saying they're not people aren't listening to the advice we're giving it's a that is also creating escalation and decision making and so one of the most important things the council can do is to help us communicate like the workers do this because at the end of the day we're not going to get through this based on the federal government's action state's government's actions we're going to get through this based on the actions of all of us as individuals and as a community and as a community we can get through this community has faced any number of challenge we can do it as a community we just have to do it together and we all have to be in because to Jeff's point what I want to reiterate if they can get through this and you want to put pressure to pressure on the elected officials and making sure that Colorado gets the same amount of testing as other places because we know that if we can get that and this what we're hearing is that may short and time but they need both of these components to work together so if you go what do we need I think that's what we need right now and the other thing we need is and I know it's hard in these cases it's time and patience because we are churning on about 200 different things during the day and I think that's pretty accurate number and that's the big thing. Do you have any questions for me? I have several. Okay this is Tim. Tim? So one is it's not it's not a question in the weeds it's a real issue but it does apply to a specific facility. I know child care has been an ongoing kind of a rolling issue for first responders, healthcare, medical personnel, folks who are basically mission critical and have children largely in this case of school age who are otherwise supervised it would have been. In some cases and I'm thinking specifically now about folks who are critical I don't think they're not identified as first responders. I'm thinking about air traffic controllers. My understanding of junior jets is now shut down because they had somebody who was identified or was diagnosed and they're shut down for 72 hours. Is the why or other facilities are those options for the parents of kids who would have been or air traffic controllers who would have been a junior jets? I know that's in the weeds but that's going to be one of an example of a rolling issue. There is critical and at least in some of those folks are as critical as our first responders. What do we say to them in terms of what their options are in the next few days the next five or five days or what they're they're close through Monday. Is that all you have on child care? That's all I have on child care. I have a couple of other questions in the comments. Let me get if I can get through child care. The why is it open? The llama why also had to close down because of the sickness so it's a mandatory 72 hours so so they're closed but they are open again on state regulations so if someone gets sick then they they do have to close down for a 72 hour period. So the llama why is in that same boat that will be open on Friday. So to that question so earlier today I mean and again how this has changed if you're getting real time change. So what we're trying to do is we knew we had some spots available at the why. We have the same issues with critical personnel within our and we were going to to talk about repurposing some of the contracts for our place. We also are working through what we need to do to move our licensing so we can handle certain components of child care within our structure and what we have done. Normally see us do this in the summer and so a couple hours ago the direction I said I gave say let's look at utilizing the why. Let's get ourselves ready to build this void so that if there's overflow at the why critical personnel we have the ability to work and pull some of the bars off and others and put it in the void in order to create capacity there and how do we obviously that's changed and I think we probably get those options that'll be on my list but when we finish this and so things like this as soon as you all hear this you can get what I will say is you know now that Karen's here and Kathy's here so anything energy service related get it in you can get it into them as quickly as possible so that we can start churning but my work here is to get the better ready so we get to the door. All right welcome back Karen by the way. Thank you. So there so you'll will there be some capacity to post real time on our website or the community connections site the man marshes managing when these things come up that they get posted and if you're if you're now in need of assistance or child care where do you click or who do you call where do you go next right because people are going to have to solve those problems like in real time right if they're mission critical whether they're city personnel medical care or medical staff or or air traffic controllers so let me go I want to I had a question on here before the mayor made a comment about golf courses I on a bike ride at yesterday I saw folks out on the U Creek golf course and that's not surprising to me the golf courses are closed that people live close by right the residents are going to take advantage of being out but I did get then a call or a text from a constituent saying what do we do they saw people in the golf course what should we do my response was if you want to if you want to call that a public safety would be the only response that's how that's going to get enforced it won't be code enforcement or somebody else not golf course personnel there no volunteers out there I also said however our law enforcement folks are paying attention to a whole bunch of other things right now and probably not going to be responsive to somebody on a golf course I know they're they're closed there were people but not many um what what how can we help when we get those kinds of questions what's the response for that kind of behavior that our public safety folks for you would like us to be offering to not like to look the other way but at this point in time we've got to set some priorities and not that's probably not a high priority for public safety what's your advice so so what we're doing so I will frame that conversation in terms of parks and how we're going to deal with it and so there is a process through gover county that they're working on where it comes in and this is really businesses because we've received a lot of calls about well why is this business open well when you turn through it it was okay for it to be open and so there's a process there in terms of how we're going to deal with parks and we'll fine tune this tomorrow based on your question is we were really looking at our parks employees and our code enforcement officers to to have that interaction and again our our philosophy is going to be to educate educate and inform as we have the interaction we will spread that to the golf group too and so that's going to be the primary component and then only if that doesn't work will we then consider the next phase but it's really we're trying to use non law enforcement people for the first engagement in this as we have that conversation all right and we're also doing maintenance on the golf courses so like we will be this week aerating sunset yeah it's aeration and so we're trying to do that kind of work that makes it not very good yeah but we are we are talking about that tim and in terms of our we have our maintenance staff that's out there so we really want to help people comply and and figure out how to do that and that without that being a call to public safety yeah yeah i know that it was posted that it was posted the golf course was posted that people shouldn't be out there but but that's that's not going to persuade some of my one of my concerns is i people out there with their dogs and frisbees and people walking the golf course and golfers you know that doesn't mix well i wouldn't both find around with civilians that's not a good idea but it is what happens yeah another colleague of mine in another city uh because their dog parks and now they're walking their dogs on the golf course yeah there you go we all know what that can do to the grass yep yep any number of issues unrelated i have one more question and then one observation the question is this unrelated to this agenda but related to the use of webex uh i assume this is how we're going to meet on tuesday evenings on forward um and as i'm sitting here thinking and i've mentioned this to you before how am i going to get to my my council materials in a webex format i can minimize my screen and have my drop box open i can flip back and forth is that is that how we're going to have to do this let me get with sandy this was today was obviously a rush because we knew some things were coming yeah let me get with them and figure that out i think all of you are going to have individual needs so we may need to have that conversation as i'm sitting here i'm thinking i could do that i can flip back and forth i just didn't know if there was a better solution uh the last observation and this is going to sound polyannish and like a broken record but um you know it's every time we meet we we hear a lot of worse fears and i you know this is the broken record part of this and there are a ton of worse fears everybody brings to this right now and i think they have to be acknowledged personally i think if we're going to do public service announcements and those kinds of things in addition to sharing information i'd like for us to be sharing what our best hopes are on the far side of this because there's going to be a far side of this and we need to be as clear on what we'd like to see and how we strategize towards that what's the preferred future it won't be like it was in the past we just have to acknowledge that and there's going to be a lot of heartache that we're going to have to put on but it it's in our interest as a council it's in our interest as a leadership group in the city and others in the city who are leaders to be as as clear and as coherent and as articulate and as aspirational about a future as we were before this it'll just be different and we're going to have a lot of support we're going to have to provide to a lot of people again it's i don't want to be naive i i recognize what those worse fears are but if i dwell on if if we strategize to avoid them we will create them we need it we need to think differently about the future and and what it's going to take to get what we hope for on the other side waters is out so i yeah i have a statement of those lines i'd like to observe as i've i have been contacting the public in as many ways as i can think of to make sure everybody's all right to hear what people's concerns are to learn what their observations are and it's been wonderful and inspired people are finding cracks in the safety net that i didn't know existed and coming up with suggestions about how to fill them up people have been looking after each other um people have been um just doing amazing things to um to get us all through this uh from from the you know the the tiny little things like finding each other's lost pets to huge things like a project to move ventilators around the country and get them where they are going to be um if you look at the helpers in our community they're finding new ways to connect with one another um so for example uh restaurants banning together to prepared food for meals on wheels so that they can deliver meals less frequently in and more bulk you know that's a brilliant idea and guess what those those um restaurants are getting paid to do that not as much as they would you know selling retail but on the other hand uh meals on wheels rejected a couple of the offers because they were too low and they wanted to make sure that uh that uh the contributors were stated fairly and not losing money on this and that's a great way to keep our businesses in business so uh i am just want to thank the public of longmont um for their creativity and their compassion and um watch for the helpers because um you know longmont public media is going to be publishing a series of videos about the helpers um we're all going to be trying to spread the word about that and i know that it will help everyone to think in those terms as as we do get through this crisis so thanks everybody herald i guess i guess my only comment was uh uh my best hope would be that uh uh you speak with jeff the governor's order is to end on april 11th that's two and a half weeks rather than three and a half weeks and as i'm taking away everything yes of course everything i mean sooner or later over the next 10 to 20 years we will recover um but what i would hope for is that if we do not have access to tests let us out and let's get on with this um and and we do anything and everything we can um to speed up the test coming as soon as possible because from what i heard everything i'm here and whatever i heard whatever the things i was hearing jeff say were uh uh the sooner that comes and the sooner we get people tested the sooner we can actually approach this with some type of process that would be effective but if it's if it's if it's not coming we're wasting our time and uh so i'm i'm certainly i'm not preaching doom and gloom i'm pointing out that we are we are currently doing the things that we are doing that will lead to disaster and my hope would be that we either stop or or put a hard press on state and federal folks to get testing beginning and i think to that comment mayor council if you can start that hard press with your contacts in the federal level and delegations in the state level um i have a comment i want to bring up um i want to emphasize the importance of not just council but community out there to the community as well it does make an impact when we are contacting and flooding our um federal congressmen our state legislators all the powers that be when we are flooding their lines with sending the same message of concern for our businesses for our um for our um our homes our livelihoods that they need to take action it does work i was working with a coalition um well through c a and push through to get state testing halted it works okay we i'm working with the statewide coalition and we were reaching out with other states as well new york city um we're working to pass moratoriums on mortgages and rent freezes and we are seeing action being done they're listening to us we just need to get out there and we need to start voicing our concerns um i you know i propose that we do some kind of unilateral either letter to the um the public or some kind of resolution where we are all coming together these are what we advocate for these are what we we want from our for our residents so if there's an appetite for that i would like to see something like that move forward as well herald i have a comment this is poly oh okay um first of all i want to thank is if if we're closing up i want to thank all my fellow council members and i hope we all everybody stays well um i've already been in quarantine today these were two weeks and i'm supposed to be out today but oh i guess not um um i would suggest that people who can everyone who can donate to the community foundation uh to help us have um something that the community feels like they are contributing uh i think that um there's certainly plenty of reason for people to have doom and gloom about this but we will get through this and i think we need to send out that positive message um i also think that we should remember to thank all the people who are providing us with services to literally thank that my wrote a note on my mailbox today thanking my postal lady and she wrote back and said thank you i really appreciate that because you know they're just slugging along there and they're all alone and they need to know that we do appreciate it um i would also suggest that maybe we consider at our meeting on uh tuesday giving some money from the contingency fund to uh to where it's needed to go um we'll need to have uh herald suggest to us what is the most needed area that maybe we could give 30 000 which is half of our contingency fund um i would also remind people to please fill out your census you've got a lot of time in your hands fill out your census or we will not be getting any money and any representation so please do it now you got it in the mail please do it and um everybody look out for each other and be a little more kind and a little more uh polyannish as councilman waters said it's not being polyannish it's being understanding that we have we have had very difficult times before we've gotten through them and we're going to get through this too it's not without going to be without damage but you know we'll get through it just like we always do thank you Aaron Joan do you have any comments just uh thank everybody this was very informative Aaron do you have any comments i want to thank council for coming together quickly and allowing us to uh present a lot of information um you actually got a chance to see the chart that's happening um but i want to tell you in the community it's this um our job is to prepare for the worst-case situation hope for the best and drive to the best um we have a thousand folks that work on a daily basis to support the community in any number of ways actually over a thousand when you include our folks their temporaries i think we're at 1400 um we have people that have dedicated their lives to this community um what i can tell you and what i can tell the community is that every one of us um are committed to doing everything we can to understand what the best what the worst fears are and to truly move toward a different outcome we did it once in 2013 and i know we were all sort of taken aback by that issue this is a different situation if we did it then we can do it now if we do it together and that's just what i wanted to say i appreciate you all i appreciate your contacts um just thank you thanks everyone herald thank you you're doing a good job i know you're stressed your family misses you don't get sick and uh save us all from the virus and the economic uh uh calamities that are that are coming that's all we ask all we can do is try and we'll see your next performance reveal discuss a race all right thanks council if there's nothing else i'm gonna end the meeting if i can end the meeting all right thank you everyone thank you thank you