 One, even in my head, and maybe that's because I come from first generation immigrants to America. My dad's dad moved here. My mom moved here. My dad was the first of family ever and first of six sisters to go to college. Same with my mom. It's probably the first one ever in her family to go to college and get a degree. Things of this nature, it never really crossed my mind what an entrepreneur is. I knew people had businesses. My best friend growing up, Justin, you met one time. His family owned a business or two. So I knew it was a thing, but it doesn't cross my mind. Let alone through the internet, which I remember the first time getting on the internet, actually the Sac Public Library, which is right down here. And I still didn't know what it was. I was probably six, and I'm playing some dumb game that could have played without the internet. But I thought I was on the internet and it was cool. Things of this nature, YouTube, Instagram, podcasting are now viable forms of career if you can do them well. Some of us, Omar, actually Jim and Omar, probably similar time diving into the world of creating content on the internet. Me, probably five, six years later. But still, even in my career is now probably almost a decade old. So you guys is over 10 years old building a career on the internet. And it's still growing. Instagram's under 10 years old. YouTube's a little bit over 10 years. Podcasting's really hitting a stride. I'd almost say this year. Now everyone's catching on to the vibe. Every year, everybody says this year. Yeah, but this year it's catching a stride. We've done it for numerous years, five, six years. Over five years, yeah. Snapchat was a breeze in the wind of building a career and making money. Twitch is a viable option now for many. What do you think the ch- one, what does it take? Two, what do you think the chances are now, as kids are watching the Logan Pauls and whatever and saying, I want to be a vlogger for a living mom. And a realistic chance. And in my head now, for fitness, Mike, or just a career in social media. I say any of it. I say any of it. We could talk about where fitness stands. And then two, in my head now, when I first started, I didn't even think. Jim said, you want to be on a podcast? I said, no idea. Sure. And then another day, like a week later, Jim said, hey, I'm going to film your warm up. You want to talk about it or something? I said, OK, sure. And then what I do for a living was born. Otherwise, I was training people in person. And luckily for me, I've been very blessed with luck, friends, companions, co-hosts to help me build that career. But if you started now, in my head, it's the same as almost going to the NBA. Like the percent to be good enough, enough eyes on you, plus the luck, plus the support, plus the grind with. In sports, it's different because you play high school and you're not supposed to make money. And you can play college and you're not supposed to make money. So you kind of have 21 years of free ride to hone your craft. In nowadays, you need that support. Say you start vlogging at 18. It may take 10 years before your channel takes off. So in regards to all of that, I consider it almost the same chance of going to the NBA. And I want to know your thoughts on it all. Very loaded question, because I have to. It's more of a discussion. We have conversations here in our presentations. It's very true, because you brought up a lot of variables. So I'm going to address a few of them. Yeah, just hop in. Yeah, yeah. So here's what I think. I actually still think and I would maintain that today, 2019, dearly beloved, we're gathered here today to get through this thing called life. A lecture word life, it means forever. And that's a mighty long time. Quoting Prince, let's go crazy. Icon. I got Prince. Anyway, go on. God damn icon, RIP, rest in power. But I think it, so my overall thesis is that it's easier today than when I started 10 years ago. So my YouTube, it's going to be your anniversary in 2009. I think social media is easier. I think on the scale of success, however, it's pretty much the same. And here's what I mean. I think the level of competition has certainly increased. But the magnitude of success has increased over time. So competition has also increased. The magnitude of success has also increased. But the opportunities have also increased. So there's multiple variables that are changing. And that is hard to assess. But in 2009, to give you an example, on YouTube, there already were channels like Smosh that had a million subscribers. So YouTube was already proven to be a viable medium for certain types of content, comedy, sketches, those sorts of things. But fitness was not viable. The largest channel, my boy Scooby 1961, I think, he had 20,000 followers. And at that time, when I started, I was just trying to put out content for my clients, how to warm up, how to cool down. And YouTube was the only free place to do it in 2009. Cool, I'll upload it. But I began studying like anything else. I'd take an interest. I just wanted to see. I took a look at who was the most popular. And no one will remember this. There's another YouTuber that had the most, like beyond Philip DeFranco, where it'd be like a girl's butt. Like that was the thumbnail before. YouTube really put on, not now that they have strict regulations, but it was basically the Wild West back then. I think his YouTube channel was called StanFirm. But he was another big player for a time, 2009. Anyways, Scooby was the largest channel and he had 20,000 subscribers. So that right there tells you that making a living off of YouTube was pretty much not viable. So if the largest person on social media 10 years ago only had 20,000 followers on YouTube, was it easier to succeed then? Well, easier in what sense? There's probably less competition, but if you're the top dog, you're still not making a lot of money. And probably less overall eyes watching the content. So that's, it's one of those things that is more good content creators. And I'll use the analogy talking about informative and quotations fitness content, which has really only existed in the last six to seven years, has grown considerably over those last six to seven years because it's a forced multiplier. As more people enter it, then people have a reason to check it out. The analogy I could use, it's kind of like cable. It's kind of like HBO. Any of these shows, you can have with HBO Game of Thrones that we're talking about. That's one show, so that's the one channel where shit. I wanna check out that channel and then people are gonna talk about that. You're gonna get referrals and then you need to get HBO. You need to get that service provider. You need to get on YouTube to watch that fitness content. Or it could happen more like how it kind of happened which is Netflix where there's, oh, this guy puts up pretty good content. This girl over here is putting up pretty good content. Over time, a community that's not united, the individuals aren't united with each other but that category becomes more popular, now it does better in search ranking. So this is a process that happened over years and years and years. But as that process happens, it's like any other medium where your skill needs to increase and the amount of requisite things you have to get right go up. So opportunities increase. Now it is possible. There is someone out there right now that can create a channel and that channel can reach a million subscribers in fitness. I'm convinced of that and they can do it inside of three years. In 2009, I don't think it was even feasible because the amount of people on social media wasn't enough. Yeah, it wasn't enough. So I think there are a lot more eyeballs and I'm talking if we say 20,000 so we're just using that as the top dog Scooby 10 years ago. And if we just judge by YouTube, it's at least 100 times bigger the entire market. So that's interesting. Now, with that being said, there weren't as many people. There were some shitty channels that did succeed, right? Or on Instagram. There are always gonna be shitty channels that succeed over. Yeah, and there always will be. So I will say that what has happened is people see money. Money is the temptation. It's actually not the subscribers. It's people realize that you could be a full time in quotations, in funds or whatever that means. People wanna enter that. And so it becomes oversaturated. And I do think that fitness or social media in a way certainly is oversaturated. You need, your competitive advantage is more important, but it can act as a greater force multiplier. So if you got it, like as an example for music, if Michael Jackson, the Michael Jackson of YouTube was to come out, he would still rise to be Michael Jackson. And he might be sitting on the left of you. Yeah, yeah, so he might be right there. I mean, I may have seen this individual do a moonwalk four or five times. A mean ass moonwalk. Yeah, mean ass moonwalk, yeah. From the streets moonwalk. So I think it's multifaceted. I think we gotta take a look at a lot of different variables. I think one that's interesting is Mike mentioned and you guys talked about, there's a lot more ways to succeed. So 10 years ago, there was no Instagram. Podcasting really wasn't a thing. Blogs, so writing, that was a thing. So writing and YouTube was in its infancy. Writing for fitness was the thing. Yeah. Blogs were the thing. And there's still some guys that put out some really good content. There's some older websites that put out some really trash content, but they're still viable now. Yeah, so I think it's just one of those things where you gotta take a look at what your intention is and mindfights everyone out there who's even remotely considering is don't quit your day job. I mean, I actually had a YouTube channel for four years before I quit. I was doing strength classes predominantly for women because let's face it, women are way better clients. Mike and myself have talked about this off air. I mean, not just from a smell standpoint, honestly, but just adherence, all those things, right? And so I waited four years and I was doing YouTube full time. And when I say full time, I meant my intention was to do YouTube for about a year and a half of that before I pulled the trigger and quit my full time job. And so I think a lot of people, they got to go, I wanna pursue my dream. And they'll watch someone like, and this is an insult to Gary Vee, but when he talks about like, oh, you just got grinded out. Well, you don't even know what the landscape's like. If I wanted to be a film director, I wouldn't just quit my job and then keep working on films and hope within a year I'm gonna put out a masterpiece. You know, it's like anything else. There's skills that you need to learn. And so I think.