 Welcome everybody. It's 8.15 and the meeting has been posted in three places, right? 6.15 and 8.15. That's a test. 18.15. And on the website, and email to interested parties so we can have this meeting. And what we do is anyone have any additions to the agenda? I know Deb, you're on there. Anyone else? Oh wait, I'm just collecting additions to it now. Anybody else have something they want to add to the agenda? So we'll start with you then. Well, I'm Deb Moore. This is Carol Zeglund and we're from Rochester. And we would just like to invite everybody and anybody, particularly the board members, to come next week on Tuesday the 16th at 6.30 at the library to an informational meeting on 5G wireless technology. We're showing a video and it'll be a discussion. And it's likely that you might know nothing at all about this, but all the more reason to come in and inform yourself it is on the way and it's a huge thing and it will impact everyone's life. That's going to come. Is this through AC Fibernet? No, it's not. There's just sort of individual citizens that are getting together to really oppose this and to look into it and oppose it. I do have some time. This is an opposition to 5G. Oh, yes, sure is an opposition. Thank you. Anybody else who'd like to get fired? This is just for the end of this. An informational meeting on position to 5G wireless technology. Yeah. Thank you very much. Thank you. Perfect. So, before we continue on to meeting, there's a couple housekeeping items that we need to do. One, we failed to choose who's going to be the chair. I just continued acting as the chair, but you guys know I'm having an opinion about that. That was an official. Yeah. And also, we have someone who's stepped up to fill the empty space in the cemetery commission and that would be Nancy Woolley. You're still willing to take that grave position? Yes. Okay. So, I'd move on. So, we have minutes from the last meeting, which I didn't find any problems with. I've moved to approve of. Second that. Okay. Second that. Second that. Second that. Second that. Second that. Second that. Second that. Second that. Okay. All right. And that leads us on to Chris Mattrick. Welcome. Thank you. So, every year I get around to the select boards that the forest occupies on the Rochester and Middlebury Ranger District. At least once, about twice. I try not to become a frequent flyer, but that depends on what the issues are with the select board like. So, this is my first appearance for Rochester in 2019. And I just, I do it just to update the community on the select board on some things that might be happening in that town on the horizon, currently happening, some new things. So, there's not a whole, I don't have a big laundry list for Rochester this year, but just a couple of things. One is, I see that the roads agreement was signed. So, $2,300 in the annual roads agreement was signed and put into place. So, we're happy to do that. You're one of the few towns on the north half of the forest that gets roads money. So, congratulations. Thank you. And so, you have a copy of it. I don't know. I just got this from Matt today. Yeah, you did go on. Okay. Very good. The other thing related to roads, it's a little bit bigger deal, I think. We have about 80 or $90,000 that we can put into a separate roads agreement with the town for the West Hill Bridge. Design money, probably most of that will end up going to design money and then there'll be a smaller portion this year than anyways it would be able to be put into that agreement for construction. So, I know this has been a longstanding concern for the town and the residents up on West Hill and becoming more of a concern for us because due to the approval of the Robinson Project, we're going to be hauling at some point, the future hauling timber down that hill and other bridge can't sustain the weight of the log trucks. So, we would like to be able to, you know, put in some money to assist the town in upgrading that so it can handle the weight of the log truck. And then it would also help with, I think, other access up to West Hill. So, we don't quite know what the exact number is yet, but it's somewhere in that range of $80,000 to $90,000. And they think, I think Brian Austin, our forest engineer, said that he thought probably most of it would go into the design, maybe $65,000 would go into the design and that would leave a little bit left over for to put towards construction. So, that's on. And when are you planning to be pulling logs out of it? We don't have any immediate plan right now. That sale has not been scheduled up there. I'll talk about Robinson in a minute. It probably wouldn't be for two to three years in that area. I mean, we can't until we get the, you know, we're kind of, we're rocking a hard place. So, we can't really get the timber out with the bridge that's in place. We couldn't require, I mean, the logger could come in and we could require the logger to, you know, work with an adjacent private landowner or the town to put a temporary bridge like the Bailey Bridge that was in there or lay another bridge over the top of that bridge if it met code. I think the better for everyone, I think if we will probably schedule that sale late in the life of the Robinson implementation project just so that we can, I mean, we can wait until it's done. We have some residents that really like that. I'm sure. And I know the same residents. Yep. They've been to talk to me numerous times out of the office about that concern, you know, so. Okay. So that'll come along. I don't know what the timeline for that agreement is. That's the kind of the number the dust has to settle around the budget this year. We just got our final budget this past week. It is April fiscal year started in October. We just got our final budget. So he's pushing numbers around, but that's the number he thinks. And once he gets a hard number, another agreement will come to the town for signatures and, you know, all that whole process. Chris, could I ask you a question? Yeah, absolutely. This 80 to 90,000, is that the total amount or would you be, are you asking the town to cost share with our service? It is, it would come, I think it is a cost share agreement what we would enter into. That's not the entire amount. That's what we have to this year to put in. We think we can get the design to the design. Can be done like cricket could probably do the design for within the, that amount of money and probably less than that this year. But then next year we would hope that we would have additional money that we would be able to put towards it as well towards the construction phase. I don't think we'll be able to pay for the entire construction phase of it, but a good hunk of it hopefully. Do you have any idea of percentage, cost percentage town versus service? It has to be at least 20%, a 20% match by whoever we enter into that. If it's handled through a challenge cost share agreement, which some of these are, the minimum match is a 20%. Good to have two to three years notice. There might be other federal money that could be grabbed for this as well. There are other grant programs, F-Lap Money, Federal Lands Access Program money could be utilized for this as well. That's federal money managed by the state for access to federal lands. That is the biggest federal land holder in the state and one of the only big federal landowners in the state. We stand a good chance of getting that. That's how the Churchill Bridge and Brandon was replaced was that program. But the state announces it and they announce it only when they have the funding available. So there'll be more conversations on West Hill in the future. Wonderful. And I can try to find that. Once we get the number for this year, and that agreement, we can go into a little more detail about what the future looks like, how it would be manned, that money would be managed. The first thing is to get the design done so that we know what we're trying to construct. Perfect. We are interested in pursuing. Do you have another question? No, I'm thinking about it. This is kind of my first volley to the town to let you know that we have money this year because we talked about it in the past and we actually didn't think we were going to have money or we thought we were going to have much less money to put it to design, but just the way our budget fell out there's a lot of money in room. But the logging operation on the Robinson project, what does that do to start? So on West Hill or just in general? Well, let's pick West Hill for now. Yeah, that's, it's unscheduled at this point. Unscheduled. Can you kind of push that to the end of the schedule to give more time? I was going to say, the bridge is probably two years away. Oh yeah. So Robinson, the life of the timber management in Robinson will usually span five to seven to up to 10 years. You know, the closest example would be the Upper Way River project which was in Grandville in Hancock. That decision was signed in 2010, I believe, 2011. And the last timber sale was just completed this winter. So it's a lifespan of nine years from the first one from the decision to the last timber sale. So there'll be multiple timber sales coming out of that one Robinson decision. The first two we're working on right now, they're not related to West Hill Road. So we would probably schedule the West Hill Road and want to be late in the, to ensure that the bridge project was complete before we hauled timber off of that one. Okay. Okay. While we're on that topic, I have another question that some residents have asked me. If you're an adjacent landowner to this project, there's a buffer zone between private land and the actual logging operation? There doesn't have to be a buffer zone. There doesn't have to be. No, but if a private landowner was concerned about that, they should come and talk to me. Okay. You should redirect those folks to me because we can most often make that work. Like Harlan, for example, is an adjacent landowner and he's approached me and said he would actually like us to come right up to his property line just to help him get a little more sun on the solar panels there. With some, you know, with some level of harvest so to increase that, we can also work the other way. We didn't hear from anyone during either of the official comment periods for that project. So the default is? Right up to the property line. We can. Yeah. But if no one says anything, is that what happens? We probably, if someone's house right there, we would probably put a buffer in like we wouldn't want a tree, a tree length at least. Okay. We'd have a tree length at least so that we wouldn't have a, leave an isolated tree standing there and the wind would come and it would blow it over and it would fall on that person's property. But the default is yes. I mean, we would go right up to our property line. Okay. Thank you. But anybody concerned about that, you can redirect them to about me and my office. We'll talk to them. Excuse me, Chris. What is the, how many years is it for the Robert Smoller project you're estimating? Well, it was signed in December. Okay. And then the decision is the NEPA, National Environmental Policy and Act Analysis. It's, you know, it has a lifespan before it starts to get stale, before things start to change on the ground, trees grow, endangered species list change, things like that, and we have to re-look at it. We think of it as having a life of five, seven, 10 years depending on the resource. Okay. And then we would know. But it hasn't started yet. We haven't done any, we haven't done any management actions that was specifically approved in the Robinson project. Okay. Yeah. We're prepping for that. Okay, thank you. It has been surveyed. Yeah, surveyed. There's prep work that's been done, but no. That was a survey of treats, or survey of the property. Survey of the property. There's been a lot of landline marking in Rochester as of late related to the project because we try to refresh our landlines before we go in and we start to lay out timber so that we know where the line is. So that you've seen a lot of, there's a lot of fresh red paint around. So that's what that is. But we're also going in and marking trees too for timber sales. So I have that. I won't talk about Robinson just a little bit to us and where we're at as long as we're done with West Hill. Yeah. I guess while you're up, do you want to give us an update on that? Yeah. So the decision was signed in December. We're beginning to plan implementation. We have a process that we go through internally where we plan out timber sales. We divide up the approved timber management activities into timber sales, geographically related. And then all the other activities, recreation, watershed, fisheries, wildlife projects, special uses, things like that. They all kind of fall in line as well. We lay out a schedule. I think the calendar along the wall like that over the years and we kind of lay out like the sequence of how things would make sense because our timber management can actually fund some of our other activities so we can retain receipts from timber, harvest, the income that we would get from a logger and use it to do projects like there was done out at CCC camp, the large witty debris work, things like that, parking lot creation, parking lot maintenance, things like that for access, federal access or public access. So that money stays local? Some of it does. It depends on the type of sale. We're working on issuing, there are a number of special use permits, mostly access, driveways, things like that to folks who were either expired or had a new special use. So those permits are now being issued. We're still working with Mr. Bean. We have two timber sales that we're working actively marking that are scheduled to be sold in 2019. So that's how we're measured as volume is sold, timber volume sold to the Washington office. And so the two sales are one of them, Swams Mill, which is up Maple Hill Road, just keep going up there along this what we call the Swams Mill snowmobile trail. And then there's another one which we're calling Soup House, which is up if you go past Chittendenburg campground on the left-hand side of the road, kind of behind where Joe Meyers places there up on the hill where it's federal land up there, kind of from the Chittendenburg road parking lot is, right on 73. Those are the two first timber sales coming out of Robinson. And they're not, they're going to be marked this summer. The earliest harvesting would occur would probably be this upcoming winter 2019-2020. But once it's sold, it's really up to the purchaser to schedule that timber sale activity. They can choose to start right then or they could wait a couple years to get it. It is the require, our contracts require that loggers interface with the town about town laws. That's not our responsibility to interface with you about their use of roads and road closures and things, getting overway permits. That's the responsibility of whoever purchases the timber and is cutting the timber and hauling it. So we always redirect them to the town. Towns often have questions about that. Any questions about truck traffic or anything that would be on us? They could talk to us about traffic and speed limits and things like that. I know that the folks out of Bingo are concerned about truck speed when we get out there. We will put those restrictions on them but as far as any permitting that they need, they often need overweight permits to haul logs. That comes from the town. That would come to us because we have a staff person that focuses solely on managing the contractors in timber sales. So Chris, if they have those concerns when you say contact us, do you mean call the Rochester office? Come to the force. And that timber sales person is there? Yes. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Over the next couple of months we'll get a better idea of what the other timber sales, how they'll kind of sequence. Once they do, I'll certainly provide the town with that information because most of the timber sale activity is in Rochester and Chittenden and the portion that's in Chittenden you feel like is in Rochester because you access it in Rochester. All the access for timber management and and we know there's also concern about both the Pine Brook Ski Loop and then the Chittenden Brook Ski Network we're going to plan to and hope to will never impact both of those systems at the same time so that they'll always be a place for folks to go walk their dogs, go for a cross-country ski where there wouldn't be timber management activity happening both those loops will at one point or another be impacted by log traffic in the winter but we're not going to impact them both in the same winter. We'll stagger them so that that won't occur. Yeah, I think that is about it. There's a number of other projects going on as part of Robinson the hut has been at the Chittenden Brook, it's in Chittenden, not Rochester but again kind of access this way it's been very popular over the course of the winter. There's the Bellamont trail the kind of Vermont end-to-end mountain bike system that's being devised kind of the same model as the catamount we have trail pieces of trail network that will be installed over the upcoming five, six years in partnership with Rosta and Vimba and Vermont Huts establishing that that's going to run through the area as well we have some watershed restoration work some more large woody debris projects going in a certain on a much smaller scale than a CCC camp kind of at the beginning of Bingo Road at Janet Brown's property there and then at the pond that pond is very, very undercut on the back side so we're going to try to do some work to ensure that the dam doesn't blow out at the end of it. Are the bloggers informed of the route of the Bellamont trail like utilizing that in any way, shape or form what do you mean are they informed? I mean it's not existent at this point and yet I mean when I ski I use logging routes a lot of the time so I'm not sure if they're interconnected with what Rosta is proposing with the Bellamont Logging contracts are an interesting thing because we can't require them to do anything that's outside of the scope we can work with them and suggest like we're thinking there's going to be a trail network that goes through this area our timber sale administrator could say let's lay your main skid road through here the two don't always line up like what you might consider the greatest mountain bike route or ski route isn't what the logger is necessarily going to see is a great skid route or we can we do we try to gain energy on that when we can that's all I have unless you have anything for me so assuming from what you said about staggering and all that stuff and the fact that something might be going on up in Chittany Brook it would be safe to assume that there won't be anything happening in Bingo this winter possibly next winter because I mean you know I have a better idea of that in a couple of months Carlo when I do I'll share it yeah that's a safe assumption that there won't be anything in Bingo this winter or in Chittany Brook this winter this upcoming winter after that if this one ever ends after that it's a little fuzzy I can't really put my finger on it but it's safe to assume that never will both the pine book ski route loop and the Chittany Nordic system be impacted at the same time so it's like they're doing something up there and they won't be doing anything I mean they might up here yeah that's correct because even if they're driving on the road that would be an impact to the loop yeah alright thank you Dean and Conn welcome thank you for hearing our concern I also want to thank Terry for his input and bringing this to our attention I'm sure you don't peruse the stats that often but the situation is that what a party you had I'll tell you well let me back up and say I don't know if this affects anything but since we located our linen business there in that building I think we have contributed thousands of dollars to the collection of water and sewer funds so I feel like we're a fairly good customer in that department so we realized that this quarter the water and sewer bill was quite high and not only was the first quarter of this year about half of the entire previous year this quarter was 1681 dollars and the main quarter last year was 265 dollars so this is really our slow time in the land shop and we were quite surprised when we got that bill so we started investigating and narrowed it down to a leaky toilet and there are three toilets in the kushman building of course the one that runs is the one that we have a tenant in that space who works there sporadically and after we talked there she admitted that yeah it ran occasionally but you know jiggle it I didn't think it was a big deal well she can sometimes not come to work for two weeks at a time and so evidently it was just running the whole time so we called the plumber repaired it immediately but we're here to appeal for a certain amount of forgiveness and the increase over last quarter is 1400 dollars so we're proposing to split the difference if you would be willing to consider that pretty generous I was thinking I mean that's I think that's relatively fair Terry do you have any input on this since you run the system well I mean it's just like it's tough when you're renting and you can't get in the unit you know yeah that's I mean we've done it in the past for other people I mean yeah okay that when we find a bad problem we've kind of been forgiveness say we didn't want to die long before we did at the park house right we've done it I know for the Pierce Hall we did recently for the Pierce Hall you know so I don't see how you can do it for one and off the other especially they found the problem they fixed it I mean we didn't have to it is fixed right we worked on it and I went over with them we couldn't figure it out until like all the tenant and she said yeah that thing runs I didn't think it was a big deal the day I went over with them it wasn't a big deal the day I went over with them it wasn't running right but then the day of the reading and then the Wednesday was only three days it had already around 800 pounds yeah 800 pounds so that's when we knew we had something really bad we had to but you know you go in there and go up you can't carry anything and the needle's not moving do you think it would be moving I mean it must have stuck underneath and run the hotel foggy man it was unfortunate because we don't go there in terms of like that's a private bathroom because all our offices are upstairs this one's downstairs we don't hear it she doesn't really come in until she basically hasn't come in for months of time in the winter so excuse me but what was the over inch again that we had it was over $1400 do we have a way to know that we have solved the problem we did solve the problem I mean we called a bummer we could ask we could check the meter to make sure that the usage is down the difference between in fact I see it as a master meter you check it again yeah and then I check my master meter I don't use it a lot that's a good thing to do the difference between the Park Hills and Pierce Hall and this one is that the others are kind of non-profits and this is a private entity but I still feel embarrassed but if this were to happen somewhere else in town we would be obligated to follow soon again well I think this might be for the viewing audience might be a little bit of a wake up call to make sure that people will live on the water system I mean carefully it's a tough thing but I'd be good to get it on the public check yeah put it in the paper and we're pretty non-profit to you yeah you never know because in my house I think we have the highest residential water building in town I think no I think you can help but I can't but I was just crazy expensive and we finally got a plumber and we looked and looked and looked no leak no leak no leak anywhere had him replace the silicox in the outside of the house and went down a hundred bucks quarter and we never saw a leak but something was going on so yeah get it out there if you cut their water bills if they just have somebody come in and do a quick audit I had a toilet that was making just a little tiny space Sam you could just hear the little whisper Sam I had friends over and her husband's a plumber and he said you know after he used the bathroom tell me and they fixed it and my water bill went down hooray I think if you take a if you really want to check it take a tub take a paper towel and rub it around the inside of it if it's leaking anywhere it's going to get paper towels going to be wet in the bowl I mean that takes care of your overflow and your bumper bell yeah we put food coloring and then see if it bleeds out into the bowl yeah you can do that though for a quick check and you'd be surprised because we've had issues before people complain about that no we don't have a problem and I don't know how many houses since we put the meters and I find the toilet not leaking like that but I mean just because it's gone up to the hundred bucks I think the issue for us was the country comparison to last quarter right it's just like oh it's high well in relation to what yeah that's a ridiculous high yeah they're never take the opportunity to if you notice super high bills to I called them before they even got their bills I met with them Jerry was on the phone I came right down it seems Julie put them in the books she calls me I'm in here the next day or that day that day because that was literally looked through the books and we do attend I really didn't figure it out until I called the tenant because the thing wasn't running yeah I went over there and I called her and she said yeah it's been running through the winter and I didn't think it was a big deal and she's like alright so yeah I called her and I can actually check in that night and I called they were high so will you generate another invoice or should we just subtract it when we pay this one I don't know how it's done in the past but I'll find out thank you very much thank you thank you and this was filmed for awareness yes your toilet too alright Joan got any a couple of things what is to remind you that new friends will be coming tomorrow one o'clock for their annual meeting with us discussing the highway annual financial plans they're going to be going over new road road standards I know they were upgraded a little bit back in 2013 and they're I think they're finished but all I have right now is a final draft this is a sample of it they'll be having they'll probably give us the final one and discuss it tomorrow it's gotten a little more sophisticated and then used to be more in compliance with the municipal roads general permit requirements one of the main things I've noticed on here is that they're asking you to affirm or confirm that you will follow all the requirements of the municipal roads on hydrologically connected sections of the road but then they also ask you whether you're willing to do that on non-hydrologically connected parts of the roads as well not by the permit but I wanted to maybe lob this over to Cooter about that because in my mind I just wonder if you're working on say quarry hill road and sections of it are hydrologically connected according to the map and others are not but if you're doing the grading or whatever it is or ditching you're not going to stop doing one practice for a section and then start it again are you no, no there are roads that are none of the road is hydrologically connected not a lot of roads not a lot, yeah so if we had a section of the road that isn't we could clean the ditch with the grade air without having all the extras to go through the the higher level the right roads where it's close and not close because if you're there and you've got 50 feet or 100 feet if you're doing that you're just going to continue doing what you were doing so I don't know we'll hear from them tomorrow but I suspect it's possible if we're not doing it now it could come in the future where get bonus points if you say that you will apply these principles everywhere maybe on grant applications or something like that just a thought and we can discuss it tomorrow with those guys and see what they say about it and then let's see the other thing is going back to the theme of bridges I took a look at the annual inspection reports that we get every year they're now just available online easily downloadable and I made one copy for you and I'm glad to make more there are nine I just looked at the town-owned bridges these things you know do their own thing on those bridges and there are nine town-owned bridges that they inspect I assume that's all the town owns and of those six came with suggestions for maintenance work and some of them most of them seem to be things that have been mentioned for the past several years and you know it's getting to the point where the last comments were in 2017 where they say it really would be a good idea to do text, YZ, whether it's painting or greasing or fixing the road approaches or in some places the abutments have a lot of scour and of course that just gets worse over time so my suggestion would be to take a serious look at this list and you know given that obviously some of these might be somewhat expensive but just think about down the line if you ignore the needs that over time it's going to be very expensive to replace a bridge so start thinking about one a year or something like that and I talked a little bit with Coore this afternoon about whether road crew could do those projects. I really don't know we don't have to take a look at what they are. It may be that some of these things just need to be contracted out so it's I think it's really important that we start doing that now when our next five years or something that prevents any further damage Yes, it would be good to talk tomorrow with Chris about that too The Better Roads program does have experts who will come out for free and consult with us about what's needed, how it can be done what's the best you know approach for minimal cost that sort of thing so if we want to pursue that we could as well. So I think that we only have Alright, that's enough Thank you Anyone? Under the new business there was a thing about annual road meetings that we should start No, that was from the Corps of Service Okay, so the final draft of their agreement is also a road agreement or did I misunderstand That's a road agreement that we've had with US Forest Service for a number of years No, I'm talking about the thing B-Trans is talking. We're going to talk about tomorrow on the spot. No, that's something totally different. Okay, so what is it that they're going to talk about? If their annual visit they make to all the towns it's done by the district office and they talk about what our highway budget is how we're going to, what plans we have for improvements or projects this year. We discuss possible grant funding and just related things to Okay, so they're going over plans for road related work that No, it's a financial plan Okay, going over a financial plan for road related work. It's a financial plan for, it's the whole highway budget. They review it with us. Okay, to review the town highway budget. Okay, thank you. Sorry I just want to make sure I have it as clear as possible Because it's often augmented by the state talk of use to that Every area we've got a application from the state. Nobody here from the library but Mark Yes, I focused on a while ago about Oscar Gardner, some of you guys know some of you know about their appointment for the gospel policy Although things have changed a little bit since I've thought about it. And you've got my letter, I guess everyone so it makes it effective that I performed my first study line and I mentioned something before I mean that something may change in a lot of the journey they came in my way So So what did you I'll be working full time for Windsor County for a little bit more money full benefits and all that stuff No, but not that much I'm going to ask you to say I must as a bridge steal or something going on So And the same has happened with Bethel as well So So I'll still be working in Grandville So So as I said Oscar some notes looking for work I think it would be a good fit but that's up to you guys to decide. If you were going to plan it for a second I think so I'll fill in anyway if you guys have discussed that Do you have some little information history on me Some of you can see me My name is Oscar Garger I'm currently retired from the Addison County Sheriff's Department after 17 years in which I was I attained a rank of corporal In that time frame I've been an FTO field training officer I've done patrols Governor Highway Safety work I'm certified by the Vermont Criminal Justice Training Council the same level as Mark 2E I come with many years of experience dealing with the community as well There's I was a the systems of Mark Hughes I'm currently aware of he's using Spillman Just so you also guys know I'm also taking a position with Killington PD I start there Monday the 15th I live over in Brandon So Just barely Just barely in Brandon I'm five miles from the top of Newton Road One of the One of the issues with living in New Brandon is I don't know how long I'm going to be on Newton Road because FEMA is buying my house So It could be a couple of years or it could be a year What else would you like to know? I mean I've done a lot of law enforcement So your certifications are up to date and equal to what Mark currently has I don't know I have done my domestic violence training I've done my use of forest training I'm currently certified with with everything I'm required to meet at this time There are some certifications that I think they're going to come up later on this coming summer Taser's? I am Taser certified I'm not certified to carry his Taser So I'd have to take a Taser class We're going to talk about that seriously actually I am commercial vehicle certified I'm not federally certified but I am state of Vermont certified Basically the same certification Same certification Mark has I'm A-Ride certified The U.I. That's the advanced roadside impairment protection training I did mention I was an FTO So I'm a field training officer which in this capacity unless we have a second person that we need FTO all that important but maybe for Killington PD it might be and other agencies Mark did some click it or ticket As a matter of fact before leaving the Sheriff's Department a couple three years ago I was actually a part of the Northern DUI Occupational OP Task Force I would go up to St. Albans while driving a Sheriff's Vehicle and working with that Task Force So I've done some government highway safety work actually helping Al Fortin with the Task Force in the middle in Addison County Currently we don't have any of that Right I'm also checkpoint supervisor certified I am not TAC certified because I have to do that training so there's something I did forget TAC officer is the ability to use Spillman and run 27s and 28s which is what Mark does Well to clarify that what it is is each department has to have their TAC officer so Spillman certified to use a Spillman but he'll have to at some point convert to a TAC officer for our license to have here Okay Which is not a big deal it's just that I'm out of him taking a class That's a lot of language that I don't understand That's what I understand Training has to take which is like a 4 hour class and it's got to take and I think it's available until I so it's not a big deal he can be fine until then for instance and plus I'll still be on Spillman myself and obviously I can maintain that until that There's some administrative things that he's going to have to show me that obviously anybody would have to learn coming in new But when you ask your question if I've got my training done my required training that I have to have to keep my certification is done So I don't have to do domestic violence I just had that I could provide my training records I also we may not know it but I also develop the program that Mark does Our login system for my time some years that maintains our traffic stops and what not What we see and more, yes We have the state mandates that we record all our traffic stops who it was why we stopped in racial age and took it to a certain so we could record on a yearly basis So we didn't have the means of really doing that but sort of software that he developed that did that for us We can talk further and go deeper Of course What is your current obligation to Kimmy to how many hours per week You know, I wish I could answer that because I just start Monday Okay I think it's like 15 or 20 hours I'm not doing anything full time right now It's hard for me to sit there and commit to you guys when I'm going to be here next 5 years I can't tell you that I bought my house 2 weeks later in contract my house is being flooded so we're looking at relocating and you know I'm never going to sell that house in its current situation so the government wants to buy it from me I'm not allowed to buy it Well great Could I get your phone number so I don't need to spread that out on the web I'll just give you a card I'll just write it down I'll write it down without working I think I've given you a chance I do Do I have a reservation? Do I have a reservation? Yeah I could take one up I don't have one with me today No I was just asking if you have one No, not on me today Just as a reference I can provide you one Yes sir Yes ma'am Wait I just wondered if you is this something you'll take on your advisement and make a decision maybe at the next meeting This is just information Okay So no decision to make Mark has made this introduction and it's great to know you and know what our options are Okay Yeah I mean obviously I'll take the time to transition somebody because certain things have got to do at the state level it's got to be modified because of access and all that like I said we've got a little bit of time here to go but even after I start for the other place I'll still have some some stuff I have one question That's my business I know but what's your commitment to it Every morning at four o'clock in the morning I have a cup of coffee, walk my dogs and write code How would that impact your your police work I don't know if it would impact me That is true I guess I'm not following your question You're asking if there's a conflict There must be a time share I mean you have a business and you also take on a couple of police jobs I'm just asking I'm just asking Oh yes I'm comfortable with doing Yes, and taking on killing I'm hoping maybe even to take on some of Bethel at the same time Right It also depends how many hours you're going to want me to work If it's 20 hours, 20 hours there and whatever time I have I mean I was used to working 71 hours a week at one point That's a variable that I can't answer I'd like to sit here and say yeah We have to put those blocks in place or that variable in place for me to sit here to be an honest decision on that But my commitment to spider data I'm serious, I get up at four o'clock in the morning I have two dogs I have a cup of coffee and I spend maybe two or three hours every morning writing code which some of you on a laptop would be very monotonous So it's nice to get out and hit the road Yes Usually by the second cup of coffee I'm ready to put the laptop down Plus I actually love law enforcement and I'm planning for the money I have a really good history in it Alright, cool That was nice to meet you You're welcome Thanks Moving on to road enforcement What's new in the highway world Aside from it's note again We have an American Professor who presented That was going to be about $1200 But then I got it here So we bought a new compressor for 1700 Not knowing We don't even know how old the old one is Holding up and dying Well it was a few tense moments Why? It was smoking People were panicking including me Get out No Call me up I've been getting lots of compliments on the strategically placed stones as the most season comes on I'm getting more compliments and complaints Thank you for that That's good The snow order is here It's not on the road yet I'm not convinced mother's over yet This week may really go for the rain And yeah it's still I just want to thank Kuda for finally getting rid of the snow on the park so he could get rid of the ice and get rid of the snow And the other greenery As a person on the park committee I also want to thank him for getting all those big clouds of limbs Some of them have been there a long time simply because they fell and they got snow and they were frozen in and there was nothing you could do about it But it was very much appreciated How many are you going to rate the track? Well supposedly Green Up Day is May 4th and I spoke with Nick Kuchacota last night because I wanted to put something in the paper about Green Up Day and he told me that they're working on plans and trying to get more people to impasse the times they've had middle school and high school kids to help rate the park but we don't have them down anymore It's actually younger kids that do the park He was going to look into talking to the elementary school And Green Up Day he's going to be doing he's going to give me some more information so next week I should have a Green Up article where people can get their bags etc and about raking the park and that kind of stuff It's always been the recreation sports that did the raking He said he was going to get in touch with Norm Christiansen about it That's where it needs to be So anyway It's a long way from raking right now It's a little soggy for raking right now It'll come Terry's got anything other than talking about Dan Connie's water bill tonight? Jeremy contacted me about doing a lot of the environmental covers I'll get a hold of him tomorrow and tell him we still got too much snow to do the system I haven't seen anything from them, usually they send us a contract on there So I'll ask him about that Do you signed it? Were you signed the contract with him? Yeah So I'll just tell him all the animals right now he can't see So as soon as that You don't need to be fighting with ice to top the loose No And then I got a leak down by Bobby Sherman's old house again I think we got, we've been talking about it, I'm pretty sure there's hot soil there because the pipe, and the pipe looks like brand new but every time we fix it we go like a couple feet and it'll be about that much further and get another leak in a couple of years But I took the pipe to the web last time and they looked at it and they figured it's coming from the outside So I'm thinking I'm going to put a piece of plastic in there and see if that would eliminate the problem How many times Or three and probably six or seven years It's just getting monotonous, you know, and like I said it's just one hole each time So I don't know whether it's coming off some stray electricity from the telephone pole side or from the inside the house But if I put a short piece of plastic in there with the copper fittings you know, they make the inserts and everything, and it's called CTS pipe, not regular plastic So it's like 200 psi pipe but three quarter fittings don't fit it if it fits regular copper fittings compression ones So I'm thinking I'm going to replace it with a section in there with that and if it happens again that's on the landowner I'll test it and see if we get if I can get any power through it last time we didn't get any power through it so, you know, put meter on it because we've had that issue before In fact, one time I got knocked down Exactly, people using small types to fit it for ground Yeah, it was mostly you found, the last time we found it it was real bad that they had it short in a panel and it's back feeding through the neutral In fact, they could draw an arc that far from the screwdriver which ain't great but down there before we checked it both times and couldn't find anything You know, went inside and checked but it keeps coming back so the guy at Webb thought maybe there was something You know, the old days they used to dump all their ash out there and ash would be the whole copper but we didn't see any evidence of that In fact, soil is pretty pretty good, there's a lot of green rocks but I don't want to keep fixing it either because it's just paint It's got to be something cosmic, you know So the pipe looks new except then there's a bad spot A pinhole and that's all it is now because it doesn't have much lead but it's nothing like it I'm just letting it dry out so we don't keep the walkway and everything else Try staying out of that We have here a VLCT provided an updated policy regarding the conflict of interest and ethical conduct and we just got so we'll kind of look over that and review it, there's no sense and we adopted it until we got a chance to look at it also so it's all to new so that's something that we'll work on and we got a new contract from AbleWaste and they told us in the budget time that they were going to keep it at the same same amount bags at a cost of four dollars for a 13 gallon compost bag They're doing that now I get a smaller one Read this contract Second On to the mysterious all business of the missing book has any progress been made on that thing Still chewing through your stuff looking for that We've been looking for like two months How about we How about we either produce a book by the next select board meeting or declare it, it's gone It's like the little book that was found there was a little book that was found that had been missing it was like the 1950s it was written select board meeting book and that Mary Davis found in 2005 so some of these little books I'd like to see So would we We're all in agreement If it's not there, it's not there Well, are you saying it's not there it's unfindable? Is that what you're telling me We're taking a lot of measures right now looking We ought to be able to at least be able to determine that Shouldn't we determine what If we got the book or not It's a bunch of boxes downstairs It couldn't be most anywhere That's what we're headed next The search is complete We'll make a report As long as there's no information in there that could dissuade any other legal business the town has You know, I mean We need that information I haven't physically been looking but other people have been pitching in Legal decisions are made I don't know what to say That's not going to affect any Well, we need the book to determine if it affects it or not If it doesn't exist Well, does it not exist? That's what we're trying to find out We're documenting everything we have So, um, yep That's the old business and unless anyone has anything else to talk about we're just going to sign some bills and move on It's not even dark yet outside Thank you Thanks