 just in the um in the green room waiting to go on to the jeremy varn show i'll show you this is jeremy varn oh jezza so yeah like what i was what they were just saying then about vegan diets like are they any healthier vegan fast food chains bringing out our burgers and vegan diets can cause deficiencies and it's just a non-argument like every diet can can cause deficiency any diet that isn't well planned can cause deficiency meat eaters can be b12 deficient you know so of course you have to plan your diet well and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to plan their diet well just eat a wide variety of whole foods and make sure if you're not eating fortified food like fortified uh plant milks and fortified cereals that you're supplementing with b12 and if you're not in a sunny area of the world like if you're not getting daily sun like if you're in england it's pitch black all the time covered in clouds you might need vitamin d3 all right system it's very easy to work these things out and um when you look at the standard diet what people are eating like no one eats as many plants as a whole foods vegan does no one eats as many antioxidant rich plant foods as a whole food vegan does the more meat and dairy you eat the more you're displacing healthier foods out of your diet and um like all of this deficiency stuff is just fear mongering it's just fear mongering it's not based on anything any you know credible science and yeah vegans can be deficient in certain things but meat eaters can be deficient in certain things as well like folate and fiber if you're eating processed you know meat and dairy foods or processed foods generally you're not going to be as healthy as if you're eating more whole plant foods but anyway the point is if you can be healthy as a vegan on a whole foods plant based diet or just you know maintain good health as a vegan why are we massacring billions of animals torturing and killing billions of animals that's the point you know if you have to well plan your diet big deal that doesn't justify stabbing and murdering billions of animals because ah you know you could run into a deficiency like how does that justify the environmental destruction and the torture and the suffering and the death that we cause like this is another thing where people they like to isolate one thing like deficiency they don't like to talk about the literal massacre and torturing of innocent beings deficiency seems really a non-conversation when you're talking about the the magnitude of the suffering we're causing yeah things like b12 are so easy to get in your diet and most people don't realize that a lot of the foods that they're eating contain b12 because they're fortified so if you look at your soy milk if you look at your almond milk if you look at your cereal if you look at your tofu if you look at your vegan yogurt that you're eating it's all fortified with b12 vitamin d have you ever looked at the back of those things even cows dairy milk they fortify that with vitamin d so a lot of these supplements are already introduced into our food production um because they know that b12 is being sanitized out of the the water supply it's been sanitized out of the food system fruits and vegetables are being washed and sanitized and water is being chlorinated and b12 producing bacteria are being killed so we have to supplement b12 everyone does um and animals are being injected with b12 supplements so the animals people eat which i think oh there's only source of b12 like this cow flesh the pig flesh chicken flesh the chickens have been injected or or it's been introduced into their feed the b12 you know because you don't see chickens roaming free eating dirt they're in a bloody shed the pigs are in a shed 90% of the pigs in in the UK are in a factory farm are factory farm pigs so where they're going to get their b12 from these pigs in these factories they're not bloody eating grass they're not out there on the dirt they're on a bloody shit covered wooden floor inside of a big stinky shed and they're getting fed b12 or they're getting injected b12 it's just insane it's completely and utterly insane like i would rather have a b12 supplement eat whole food plants than gash chamber billions of pigs and stab them in the throat to get b12 that was injected in their body anyway so and anyway whenever um someone with an expert opinion likes to talk about deficiencies you just point them to the massive peer-reviewed paper position paper that the academy of nutrition and dietetics released and it's backed by 117 studies it's a massive review position paper and it says that well-planned vegan diets can be healthy for all stages of life cycle infancy pregnancy lactating mothers athletes the elderly and they say that it reduces your chances of getting certain diseases heart disease diabetes obesity it also says it's better for the environment in this massive peer position paper and it's not just someone wrote it it's backed by research backed by tons of research you know it's the best available evidence that they have on supporting plant-based vegan diets so like if we're going to listen to someone's opinion that it has no scientific weight whatsoever you look at the research the best available research and if a massive organization like the academy of nutrition dietetics which it makes up over a hundred thousand credit uh fully credentialed practitioners if you're not going to listen to a credible source like that and and it's not a vegan organization obviously if you're not going to listen to that and you're going to listen to someone's opinion about deficiencies then you're just not being scientific you're just taking someone's opinion over scientific fact which is insane as well and and the way people listen to anecdotes over research uh i know someone who went vegan once and uh they had no energy well okay what does that mean i know someone who ate meat once who had no energy like anecdotes mean nothing um obviously like we can all use anecdotes i mean i could use my anecdote i used to be obese and now i've got the best i've got more energy than i've ever have i feel more healthier than i ever have but even my anecdote of you know me losing all this way being in good shape i'm fitter than i've ever been is still an anecdote but when you look at the research and you know consistent data is showing that diets centered around whole plant foods are better for health better for health outcomes for human beings you see less diseases like the the number one killer heart disease has only ever been proven to be reversed with a whole food plant-based diet