 Okay. I'll go ahead and call the meeting to order. It is 9.01 AM and we will start today's meeting of the Regional Transportation Commission, the October 7th meeting with a roll call attendance. Commissioner Bertrand. Present. Commissioner Brown. Here. Commissioner Johnson. Here. Commissioner Montecino. Here. Commissioner Caput. Commissioner alternate shifrin. Here. Commissioner alternate Quinn. Present. Commissioner Koenig. Here. Commissioner McPherson. I see him on the line. Commissioner alternate Pegler. Here. Commissioner alternate Kanta. I'm sorry I'm going to say this wrong. Callantari. Yes. Callantari Johnson. I'm here. Thank you. Callantari Johnson. Thank you. And Commission Peterson will be coming on shortly. I see your picture right now. I just joined. Thank you. Commissioner Peterson. You have a quorum. Thank you. Okay. We'll move right into oral communications. Any member of the public may address the commission at this time on any item. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Within the jurisdiction of the commission that is not on our agenda today. And we will have two minutes for speakers. Wish to speak. Okay. I see Mr. Barry Scott. Mr. Scott, you are up. There we go. Okay. Thank you. I wanted to speak to the. I feel like we'll come back to that in a minute. As we move back to the discussion, I'm just going to go through this. Basically making the case for for ultra light rail today. We, if we, if we look back at just this past year, The RTC identified electric rail transit to be the preferred alternative. The business plan identifies a lighter and more affordable street car plan is tied six to six in progress stalls. Since that time, TAMC indicated reported in their final Monterey Bay area transit integration study, there's 87% support for regional rail transit. We have surveys from the conducted by the RTC in 2015 that show 73% for support using rail line for public transit service. And we have an opportunity now to actually explore using a streetcar. And I just want to really, really thank the RTC for supporting what is coming to town in the form of the Coast Futura streetcar demonstration. The Coast Futura is a vehicle that's been in operation for, it's not an experimental vehicle, it's a battery electric streetcar, again included in the business plan on page 13 as an option. And I think it would be wonderful if all of the commissioners are able to take a ride on the demonstration. It's in Watsonville, I understand, on October 16th and 17th. And then in Santa Cruz from Thursday, October 21st through Sunday, October 24th. And you can get a ride. Rides are free. Hope to see you there. Miss Sally loves them, David. Can you hear me okay? Yes. Okay. I just wanted to also thank the RTC so much for giving the license to this demonstration rail project. The enthusiastic response to the community has just been overwhelming. All the tickets were reserved within hours of being made available. There's just such a hunger to see the possibilities for using our rail line. And I'm just so excited that it's coming to town and that so many people are going to get to ride it. And for the people who were unable to get tickets because it's such a limited run, hopefully they will come out to some safe spaces along the tracks and watch it go by and listen to hear how quiet it is. Because I know people have understandable concerns about neighborhood noise. And I'm hoping that the commission sees the enthusiasm for this particular project and chooses to bring other vehicles, similar vehicles to town for demonstrations. This is really would be an appropriate function for the commission itself to take on. And since we are considering light rail as a future option on our corridor, it would really be beneficial for our community to see what the choices are. And so thank you very much for licensing this particular demonstration. I hope we see you on the rail and I hope we get more of these in the future. Thanks. David and Judy. Good morning. Like the other two commenters, I just wanted to thank you all for your support and help with your future demo. That's all the staff and commissioners that, you know, did their parts. And obviously this is in line with the various professional reports over the years for our corridor mass transit solution. And I hope you all get a chance to write it and perhaps other similar demos over time in the future. Thank you. Judy Giddelson. Hi, can you hear me? Yes, I do want to echo that I'm totally excited about the coast future demonstration. I'm a Watsonville resident and I just think it's I really appreciate that you guys have helped make this happen. I think it's a great opportunity for the community to see what is possible. And I know Watsonville could really benefit from the light rail. And I hope that we can do it again. And I think it's going to be a great opportunity for the community to see how quiet it is and how it can integrate into the landscape with real positive ecological and a very positive ecological impact. Thank you very much. Mr. Jack Brown. Hi, Jack Brown just wanted to kind of give a dissenting opinion to what's being sort of loaded up in the public comment section right now. I'm not really seeing that this is really doing much for the community by having this take on demonstration, especially when their latest proposal was to not provide any public transportation options with the South County, only running a tourist excursion from Capitola to Davenport. Some other things I'd like to warn about this demonstration going on. TM has no experience running commuter rail operations. They run tourist mall attractions. They have no experience running at speeds and at distances that would be required for Santa Cruz County. So let's go ahead and let the train people out of their day in the sun with this little demo, but let's not continue with this sort of false impression that we're ready to do rail on the corridor. Hundreds of millions of dollars are required to get this back up to snuff the animal passenger travel. The corridor is essentially unsafe at the moment. As we saw in the last meeting, there is serious repairs that need to be done on our trestles. And the Roaring Camp and TIGM team is using a group of inexperienced volunteers to act as rail crossings because rail crossings don't work during this demo. So let's hope that we don't have any accidents during this thing. Fine, go ahead and show this, but let's get working on real solutions here. Let's get the yes greenway initiative done. Let's use this for real active transportation and let's really focus and concentrate on trying to get Metro back up to the modern age and provide real public transit that's right size for our community. Thank you. Rail and trail for equity and environment. Hi, thank you. Can you hear me? Yes. Wonderful. I just want to thank the RTC for bringing the coast for to a demo to Santa Cruz County. This is really an opportunity for us to see how feasible such a public rail transit option is for this community, how quiet it is, how it can fit into our setting. And also, I think it's important because it will allow us to connect with the state rail project and the executive order by Governor Newsom that came out in July of 2021, indicating that connecting cities by rail is one of the top priorities of our state. And of course, we know that this is very important to address equity and transit issues, as well as the environment, as well as our crisis with public transit. And of course, for community members, there's so many of us who value public rail transit that a lot of other communities are implementing. And we don't want to miss out on this opportunity now that funds are available, both federally and statewide. Thank you for your time again, RTC. Thank you for bringing the demo and also for the funding in item 23 for the Measure D five-year program for funding the capitol of bridge work. It is an important thing. We know that we can run this TIGM on segments of the line, but for it to run the distance all the way from Santa Cruz to Watsonville, there are repairs that needed. So we look forward to that being done in the near future. The future is now. Rail is our future. Thank you so much for this opportunity. Thank you, RTC. Bye-bye. Chair Brown, I don't see any other comments. However, I did miss Commissioner Govans during roll call and also want to note that Commissioner Alternate Hernandez has joined the meeting. Thank you. Okay, so we will now move on to item three additions or deletions to the agenda. Do we have changes? Yes, Chair Brown, we have some handouts and replacement pages. We have handouts for item 7, 8, 20, and 23 and replacement pages for item 12, 15, and 16. All of those are posted on our website. Thank you. So we will now move on to our consent agenda. These are items 4-18 on today's agenda. All of these items will be considered in one motion unless commissioners would like to pull an item and you can also ask questions on these items without pulling them. So are there commissioners who have questions and or would like to pull an item? Okay, are there members of the public who would like to comment on any of these items? I see Mr. Peeples. Do you have your hand up? This is Brian from Trail Now. Thank you. I'd like to pull item 8. The North Coast project cost increase should be removed from the consent placed on the future. A little history there. As the ERR, there was three options. Rail with trail, trail only, and farmers now, trail now plan. According to the EIR, the rail with trail was the most expensive, would take the longest amount of time and have the greatest destruction and disruption to the farming operations. Actually, rail with the trail was the only plan that destroyed farmland. Even though rail with trail was most expensive and the greatest impact on the farmland, the other two alternatives were not agreed to because George Dundero actually lied about the rail banking process. Now that George has retired and the executive director has provided actual evidence of rail banking, we are asking that George's misrepresentation should be a reason to reevaluate this plan. The we have an opportunity to change with the North Coast. The escalating design cost is a warning that costs are going to go up drastically. The current plan is requiring imminent domain. It's requiring major cost instruction cost. It's going to be a duplicate of segment 7 and 18, which were substandard, very expensive. Much of the design will not be discarded because the parking lots in bathrooms are part of that design. There is no deadline to complete the design. The Federal Highway Administration has delayed this project out to 2024. Please remove this from this consent and have it a public discussion on it. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Peoples. We have any other, I don't see any other hands raised. So I'll bring it back to the commission. So give it. Remove the consent agenda. Second. All right. We have a second motion and a second to approve our consent agenda items four through 18. We'll take a roll call vote. Thank you. Commissioner Bertrand. I agree. Commissioner Brown. Commissioner Johnson. Commissioner Montecino. Yes. Commissioner Caput. Commissioner alternate Schifrin. Hi. Commissioner Quinn. Hi. Commissioner Koenig. Hi. Commissioner McPherson. Hi. Hi. And commission alternate Calentari Johnson. Hi. I was unanimous. I think commissioner Caput wants to vote aye, but can't get himself off mute. He has his thumbs up. We'll take it. Okay. Thank you. We are now moving on to our regular agenda. The first item up is item 19. This is a nomination and appointment of. Commission chair. And I can go ahead and give a short report on this. So. Get with commissioner Gonzalez. Resignation. We did decide that it was time to. Bring together a. Nominating committee. And so I called a nominating committee. Which consisted of myself and commissioners. McPherson, who has much experience with. This process of transition in leadership roles. And commissioner Peterson. And so given that we had only two meetings left in the year. We decided to recommend that I continue on. In this role of chair. And then a nomination committee. Be convened in December to make nominations for. Next year's chair and vice chair. And I don't know if my. Committee members would like to say anything. About the process or how we made the decision, but you're up if you want to weigh in. It's simple and straightforward. I think our committee was unanimous on this. Recommendation and for two more months, and then we'll go through the regular nominating process at the first year. Thank you. I would move the committee's recommendation. I'll second it. Okay. So with a motion and a second, I see commissioner Bertrand. You have your hand up. Yes, this is. You would be still eligible to be recommended for chair next year. It seems to be to be unfair that just at this end of this. A little bit of. Functioning as a interim chair. You wouldn't get the chance. Is that correct? We discussed that. Yes. That's correct. We discussed that. And we. Decided that we would tackle that question when we get to the, the standard, the general time that nominations are made. So it's possible that that would be a recommendation coming forward with a selection of a new vice chair and we'll, we'll discuss that if, if folks have input into that, I, it would be great to hear it. And I will reach it back out about the process for, for to, to nominate folks for the January meeting beginning in January. Okay. So you're still in the running. Thank you. I suppose so. We shall see how. Yes. We'll, yes. We'll have a full discussion along the kind of the, the normal. Kind of decision making about how we do those rotations. So yes, that will be part of the conversation. Thank you. I see any other members of the commission have a question or a comment. Before we go out to the public. I see that Mr. Peeples, you have your hand up. Yes, of course I have my hand up. Thank you for taking the time. You know, you know, on this board is very, a lot of time. I had a time commitment. Fairly technical. We like to say that it's very much like the Soquel water district board. And honestly, the members of this board should actually be voted because of the time amount that it takes and the technical ability. You know, the prior chairman, is it a good example why you need somebody with the competency to do it? He truly did not have the competency to be the chairman. As an example, at the city council meetings, he told the public that the train was completely funded. Then on another event at the RTC meeting, he talked about the need for a commuter train, the plan for a commuter train, Davenport. And he actually said. I'm sorry, I just, I'm sorry to interrupt, but we are talking about a designation of a chair moving forward. Commissioner Brown. It's my moment to speak to this. Item. And I'm speaking to it. And basically it's the. The competency of this position is very important. So the commissioner who previously held it. Was not. Qualified to be in that position. So I, I, I would hope that your qualification standards are raised a little bit more. And I truly do believe that this board. Overall, needs to be an elected board through the experience that I've been witnessing for 20 years. Being involved in this board. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Pupils. So I don't see any other hands up. We do, did have a motion and a second on the floor. I want to say something before we vote, because I don't think it's fair to let a member of the board be unfairly attacked. I agree. By a member of the bubble. And. Our past commissioner and. And chair. I think did an exemplary job. And. Should be praised for the work that he did. And not criticized on the basis of some level of competency. I wish all the members of the public had as much competence. As our, our previous chair had. And at least, and had. And is, and was. And were as. Polite in their. Testimonies as he always was. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Thank you very much. I too praised the former chair and certainly the, the existing chair. This is a hard job. And I think the bias of the public. Sometimes comes out. Particularly with Mr. People's. But it's a big, a big part of the process of the public. And I think it's a huge part of the public. I think it's a big part of the community toward the citizens. And South County in their need for. Public transportation and his basic bias against rail. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Hearst. You know, I'll go ahead and say something as well. Actually. Mr. Mr. Commissioner Bertrand, I'll let you have the floor. Before I do. Yeah, it's my. My. Audio is cutting up. But, you know, I, I observed him, you know, our former chair rose to the task. And, you know, when I was mayor of Capitola, I had the same issues. It's not an easy thing if it's the first time to understand all the different requirements, especially dealing with the public because it's quite challenging at times. And I think he did rise to the task and I appreciated him. He went from three minutes to two minutes, as I recall, and that helped streamline our meetings, which I think we all appreciated, including the public. So those are my comments. Thank you, Commissioner Bertrand. I will just add, you know, just in response, and I agree, I think it does deserve a response, that, you know, I recognize that members of the public are not always happy with the performance of their elected officials or the decisions we make. But I think those are really different concerns than the suitability of particular elected officials who have been nominated by their respective bodies to serve on this board. That is something that I take very seriously. There is a learning curve when you're new and the kind of skills for being a chair does take time to develop those. And, you know, I wanna, I'll just say, I also wanna thank our previous chair for putting in the work to learn more, to chair our meetings. I think he did quite well. I'm going to try to follow the lead of chairs who have come before and do my best to maintain order in the meeting. And I hope that members of the public can reserve your critique for the substantive issues rather than individuals in our particular, either positions about issues of concern to you and or our level of experience with sharing meetings. So I appreciate that members of the commission wanted to speak up about that. And I agree. So we will move on now to have a roll call vote. Roll call vote. Yes, yes, a roll call vote. Thank you. Commissioner Bertrand. I agree. Commissioner Brown. Aye. Commissioner Johnson. Aye. Commissioner Montesino. Commissioner Caput. Aye. Commission Alternate Schifrin. Aye. Commission Alternate Quinn. Yes. Commissioner Conag. Aye. Commissioner McPherson. Aye. Commissioner Peterson. Aye. Commission Alternate Pegler. Aye. Commissioner Alternate Calantari Johnson. Aye. That's unanimous. Okay, thank you. We are now on to item 20, Commissioner Reports. These are oral reports from members of the commission. Commissioner Koenig. Thank you, Chair Brown. I just wanted to use this opportunity to thank Executive Director Preston and Senior Transportation Engineer, Christensen, for the recent tour of the rail corridor from Harkinsloo all the way up through Aptos Village and just share a couple of impressions. The first was just how stunningly beautiful Harkinsloo and Gallaghan'sloo are and that there's hundreds if not thousands of birds living out there. It's truly breathtaking with great views of Loma Prieta and the entire mountain range in Santa Cruz County. And I'm confident that when we get greater access to that area with a trail that Watsonville will truly come into its own as a destination for people across the country in its own right. Another impression I had was just how long 32 miles of corridor really is and how much maintenance is involved with that. Now you can really see that rail was originally built by a private railroad company with sort of a just do it mentality. They were not required to do environmental impact reports. They were not required to pay prevailing wage. And those are requirements that we do have now that this is public infrastructure and really the corridor has never been maintained with those kind of requirements. And so just trying to deal with vegetation and water runoff are huge challenges. I mean, I think we're just starting to see the true cost of that kind of maintenance, but I anticipate it will continue to rise as we go forward. And finally, you know, there's so many places where fitting a trail next to rail seemed to work from the literal 30,000 foot view. And when you see it from the ground you can see some of the real challenges we face, whether it's huge drop offs, change in elevation or telephone poles that we need to be moved or homes even in the way. So finally, I would just encourage more commissioners to take advantage of future opportunities to see the corridor firsthand. We spend so much time in this board room debating these topics and balancing that with some time in the field where, so that we can have discussions based on some shared experience. I think we'll really help this whole commission to function better. So thank you. And, you know, definitely invite any other commissioners who have the opportunity to take that tour to share their impressions as well. Thank you, Commissioner Koenig. Any other reports? Okay, well, I'll say I too took that tour and I wanna thank Mr. Preston and Ms. Christensen. And Mr. Mendez was also with us. It was very, it was really fascinating to see. And so you've heard from Commissioner Koenig about what some of it looks like from the ground. And I do encourage others to get out there. And also Mr. Preston has been very generous with his time to offer walking the rail line. And so we definitely encourage commissioners to take advantage of that opportunity. It's definitely quite a learning experience. And you even, if you're lucky you get to see a bald eagle. We just saw the nest, but they are back. So I wanted to make a report on a meeting that I attended or series of meetings last Thursday, September 30th, the Central Coast Coalition of Transportation Agencies had its first federal joint federal advocacy day. So we were with our peers from San Benito, Monterey, San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara counties. We met with on the very exciting day in Congress. We met with Congress members Panetta and Carvajal, staff from Senator Padilla's office, Senator Feinstein and Representative Anna Eshoo's offices. We also met with US Department of Transportation and White House Office of Intergovernmental Affairs staff who were really great to talk with and learn from them. The goal of the meetings was really to one, introduce the coalition to the federal agencies and representatives who make decisions about transportation funding and policy. I was able to highlight transportation needs and priorities on the Central Coast, including movement of goods and transit, active transportation projects, including in particular the Monterey Bay, Sanctuary Scenic Trail, Rail Trail. It was a really busy time as most of you are imagine aware, negotiations underway for the infrastructure bill, reauthorization of the Federal Transportation Act. And so we were lucky to get their time. The representatives that we met with really highlighted that the proposed infrastructure bill would mark the largest investment, which we know in transportation and they offered support for our transportation commission to support for funding requests for competitive grant funding. We stressed the challenges of being in a relatively small county. And so we were happy to hear that they're willing to support us in that. The White House and the Department of Transportation staff really emphasized funding opportunities and priorities. Which for us, for our purposes, increased small starts funding for bus rapid transit, the movement of agricultural goods, rural service, surface transportation programs, and as well as active transportation and safe streets and vision zero programs. Also energy efficiency that highlighted the potential for zero emission vehicles and energy efficient transportation. Funding will be made available to incentivize those modes. And then rail bridge and other transformative projects that will serve our community for many generations to come. So it was a wonderful experience. I wanna thank Rachel Morconi and Guy Preston for all of the support leading up to that meeting to make it happen and providing support during the meeting. It was really great to get to know our colleagues on the central coast and to make some contacts that will hopefully serve our commission in the future. So that's my report, Commissioner McPherson. Yeah, I just wanna say it's invaluable. Those types of visits that you have and our staff can't be overstated or just have eye to eye or one-on-one contact with our federal and state representatives. Really pays dividends literally for this county, for this commission and I appreciate your efforts and for the organization to make that a reality again. I think when they see us there face-to-face, so to speak, it really helps to get the message across. So thank you for your efforts. Thank you. I was really pleased with how engaged all of the representatives and their staff were in the conversations. Okay, so I apologize, we're a little over time here. We do have a public hearing scheduled for 9.30 and so I think that we will, if it's all right with you, Mr. Preston and Mr. Govins to hold off and we will move item 23 up and begin our public hearing on measure D, the five-year program for projects, for regional projects. So I believe that is Rachel Morconi. Welcome. Thank you. Good morning commissioners and members of the community. Today, as Chair Brown mentioned, the commission will be holding a public hearing and approve the program of projects which show how the RTC plans to spend measure D funds over the next five years. This is the public hearing and five-year plan. Preparation is required by the voter approved ordinance that was passed by voters in 2016. It does a half-cent sales tax which provides critical funding to maintain and expand transit, paratransit services for seniors and people with disabilities, maintain and improve local roads and highways, rail, bicycle and pedestrian facilities and other transportation programs and services. The measure D expenditure plan, which was approved by voters, was developed based on input received from the community over more than a decade. It requires measure D funds to be distributed by formula to five different categories of projects and about half of the funds are distributed directly to cities, the County of Santa Cruz, Santa Cruz Metro and Lyft Line for transportation projects that they are that are selected by those agencies. I just wanted to mention and remind folks that I think it was at the last board meeting you received a update on some of the great work that is being done with these measure D funds. There's a lot of roads that are being improved. We're able to leverage over a hundred million dollars in other grants because of having measure D funds locally. The segment seven phase one of the rail trail project was completed utilizing measure D funds as well as a segment of the trail in Watsonville. On highway one, we've been wrapping up some pre-construction work on different sections of the highway, auxiliary lane and bus on shoulder project. We were able to kick off the Go Santa Cruz County commuter assistance program, which provides incentives for folks to ride the bus, carpool, ride their bikes places and leave their cars at home. We've also added additional California Highway Patrol service on highway 17 to reduce fatal and injury collisions on the roadway. We have added freeway service patrol tow trucks to clear out incidents more frequently. We've been able to keep up on at least some of the rail and trail corridor maintenance. And we also completed the transit analysis for the rail line earlier this year, all utilizing measure D funds. So well, about half of the funds are allocated directly to cities, county metro and Lyft line. The regional transportation commission, this board, is enlisted responsible for selecting projects and identifying specific uses for the other half of the funds. The proposed five-year plans are included as exhibits 1A through E of your agenda. And those are for the highway corridors program, the active transportation, Monterey Bay Sanctuary Scenic Trail program, the rail program, as well as funding that is specifically designated for the highway one San Lorenzo Valley corridor and the highway 17 wildlife project. This year, we're not actually recommending any new projects. We're focused on continuing to implement the projects that were previously approved by the commission, but we have updated the five-year plans to reflect updated schedules, revenue amounts and project costs. So that's been the focus there. We're not recommending new projects again, but we will be looking at adding additional projects or funding to the trail program later this year as additional information about project costs and schedules become available. We did take these draft five-year plans to all of the RTC's advisory committees. That includes the bicycle advisory committee, the elderly disabled transportation advisory committee and the interagency technical advisory committee and the budget and administration personnel committees in August and September. We considered their input in developing the version of the five-year plans that are before you today. Public hearing notices were also advertised and our eNews group of nearly 3,000 members of the community were notified about today's public hearing. So with that, there are highlights about the different five-year plans and the recommendations within the staff report and also identified within the spreadsheets that are included in the packet and I'm happy to answer any questions. And otherwise, if there are no questions, I'd recommend opening the public hearing for input. Thank you Ms. Marconi. So we also had the extensive written staff report. Are there any commissioners who have questions about this report before we take it up to the public? Okay, I will open up this item for public comments. And so folks who are interested in speaking on this item, please do raise your hands now. Star six on your phone, star six or star nine. I'm sorry, I always forget. Star six. Okay, Barry, you know what to do. Mr. Scott, you are up. Thank you, Commissioner Brown. And I just wanna say how happy I am to see this Measure D expenditure plan. And if I might go back to also say how happy I am with the director's report to learn that you all went down to meet with others in the region to learn about efficiency in transportation. And I've just got this sense that you all got a very invaluable load of information about what's going on in the entire Central Coast region and how important transportation investments are. I don't see anything wrong with prevailing wage, but that's from the prior item. I'm happy to see in the expenditure plan increases across the board it seems in a lot of our protecting and improving our rail infrastructure including bridge and trestle improvements. Because it's a, you know, it's a tall task for the county to own a 32 mile rail line. And I think, you know, when we talk about, for example, Commissioner Gonzales coming up to speed and rising to the task, I think when this county purchased a rail line it's still in the learning process like what does it take to take care of a big long rail line? But the value of it is cannot be overstated. And I'm delighted to learn that you all are, becoming more familiar with the importance of keeping, maintaining, improving, and ultimately utilizing our rail line even as we build a trail. Speaking to the area around, the areas around Galligan's slew and Harkins slew I'm so excited that we are looking at opportunities to being people out to see nature. But I also think about the elderly and disabled who would be able to see this with a nice light rail system too. Whether or not the trail can be implemented out there is one thing that certainly rail already exists there. And with improvements we could be using this rail line to get people out to see nature as well as helping people and especially the elderly and disabled get from place to place without being in traffic. So I just wanna thank you for everything you do. And that concludes my comments. Thanks. Thank you, Mr. Scott. Okay, I see Sally, Sally Love. Ms. Arnold, you're up. Sally loves rail and trail. And Sally loves that the major D expenditures include more money to build the trail, more money to fix up the rail line. Really just so pleased to see our tax money being used to both take care of and use this wonderful resource. So I just wanna express my support for the major D expenditure plan. And thanks to the staff for managing all the complicated pieces of a very big budget. And we're so lucky that we have major D to spend on these really important community assets. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Arnold. Tina Andreada, you are up. Good morning. Can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you. Great, thank you. I wanna also thank the RTC for your continued commitment to fix up the tracks and build the trail as designed next to the tracks. Let's not forget what happened years ago when the rail line was removed from San Jose to Santa Cruz. We have lots of friends who would love to be able to take light rail from Santa Cruz to San Jose back and forth commuting to work. And I also wanna just lastly say my disabled friends, friends without cars, students continually tell me, let's get this built quickly, the coastal rail and trail, and they express the reason is it serves the maximum amount of people for the maximum opportunity. So thank you again. And that's all I wanted to say. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Andreada. Next up, Kyle Kelly. Mr. Kelly, you're on. Thanks for having me. I just wanna express my support and pleasure that you spent measure D funding on rail and trail. I'm just really thankful that it's getting used for the corridor. I'm happily using the trail now and I look forward to when we can start using it to get around the county and around the state and connect us back to the state rail plan. So let's keep focused and get it done. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Kelly. Heidi Kellison. Thank you, Chair Brown and commissioners. Heidi Kellison, I'm a resident of Capitola. I live on Fan Mar. My backyard backs up directly to the corridor. And in all engagement, I just wanna encourage you to continue to think about public safety issues. I don't have a particular comment about that today other with what's on the agenda. Other than to say those of us who live very close to the corridor are thinking about those issues and we appreciate your consideration of them. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, we have next up Rebecca Downing. Yes, good morning. I wanted to first say how exciting it is to hear about the auxiliary and bus on shoulder plan for the future. I live in C-Cliff and people use our local residential streets to bypass the freeway on their commutes. And I'm really looking forward to the auxiliary lanes that will hopefully keep people out of the neighborhoods because they do drive too fast for C-Cliff roads. The other thing I'd like to do is thank the maintenance crew and for all the work they do along the line. I live right on the corridor in C-Cliff and they've been really, really great with graffiti especially. They managed to cover it up before I can even report it to them. I would like to make sure that as the previous person said that the maintenance of the corridor really focus on the fire potential back there. Union Pacific used to clear vegetation periodically to keep the fire danger reduced. And we haven't really seen much of that. I know that it's been cleared a couple of times but the last vendor you had out there to clear around the train tracks just left everything there. So now it's drying crispy. And some of it has even made its way into the drainage that the RTC needs to maintain to keep the properties adjacent to the line from flooding. So I just hope there's enough money in the budget there to be responsive. We've had neighbors with some trees that need to be removed to worried about them falling on their property. My main concern is fire and I thank you for your time. Thank you Ms. Downing and please do make those reports to our commission so that we can about specific instances and so we can do our best to follow up. Thank you. Okay, so next up we have a rail and trail for equity and environments. You are up. I thank you so much. Really wanna say how much I appreciate the RTC continuing Measure D expenditures in order to fix up the tracks and build the trail. We're really excited to see the progress of the trail happening and also working ongoingly to protect and improve our rail infrastructure which is vital to our environmentally wise access to the state rail system as well as reducing our traffic on highway one and the use of vehicles that for example use rubber tires which is a huge impact to our environment. Anything that we can do to support that rail infrastructure improves our environment. And then I also wanna say thank you also in on behalf of the elderly and disabled who will get a chance to ride these rails in the future and as echoed by a number of people previously so well. This gives access to our students as well as our Watsonville community that in the past has had to wait a great deal of time for the bus system and sitting on the highways. This is a direct route. So really appreciate that work. And super excited to hear the director's report and our integration of minds with the state and federal personnel. So again, thank you so much. Thank you. Okay, Mr. Peoples, it's your turn. Hey, all right, this is Brian from Trail Now. Just as a reminder on the history of Measure D, Trail Now originally came out as opposed. And the reason was cause 24% of the funds were going to a train. You had 14 million going to Monterey train station. You had language in there that called out the construction of a train. What happened was Don Lane and Zach rewrote the language and reduced it down to 8% for the rail, took out the Monterey train and we supported it. And actually our supporters provided the greatest amount of funding. We were big supporters. And we actually had a lot of supporters who didn't want to support Measure D because they felt that we were, you know, that wasn't the right thing to do. We felt that it was and we're glad that Measure D passed and we're big supporters. Now what we're hopeful is that the commission begins to lead staff in the direction to go, the right direction in the way of the design of the coastal corridor and using it today. Right now you got a design in there. You're spending money for a trail next to a train. Essentially you're building a trail at a very expensive cost, a substandard trail as we've been witnessing. So we're really hopeful that you start giving direction to move towards rail banking and building the coastal trail, the interim coastal trail. Now it's absolutely critical that the coastal corridor be opened as soon as possible, especially in the central section where it will reduce traffic. It's shameful that that corridor has sat unused for a decade being publicly owned. We need to focus on a strategy to use it today. Please open the coastal corridor now. Thank you. Mr. Michael Lewis. Hello, this is Jean Brocklebank. I'm Michael's wife. We're sitting here together using one computer. We're daily pedestrians and I'm surprised. This is the Regional Transportation Commission with a discussion about Measure D and Measure D includes funding for bicycling and pedestrian but all I've heard so far is talk about the rail corridor. We're Michael and I are daily pedestrians. We have chosen not to drive our car in Santa Cruz for the last two and a half years. We transport ourselves and our purchases on the sidewalks and in the bike lanes of Santa Cruz County everywhere. We go everywhere. So I just want to say that I want to see more spending on making walking and bicycling safer in the county and even everything that you do in the roadways, spending money in the roadways to help other vehicle drivers benefits us because that makes it safer for us on the sidewalks. And so I'm just here to say I'm somebody who's talking about Measure D with regard to regular practical walking throughout this county and look forward to having more money spent on pedestrianism and even more bike lanes because that gets the bicyclists off the sidewalks and the bicyclists are hazards to pedestrians. So that's what I would like to say about Measure D and thank you very much. Thank you, Ms. Brocklebank, Judy and Mr. Lewis. Judy Giddelson. Hi, I just want to voice my appreciation for spending Measure D on the rail and trail. I think this is a really exciting opportunity to employ all the resources of technology and innovation to create safe, reliable, useful and impressive transportation for both commuters, pedestrians, travelers, bicyclists, keep the farmers safe from the people going on their property and to the neighbors keeping a quiet rail. It's the best way to show off what we can do innovation-wise as neighbors to Silicon Valley and Mary and Raleigh, all of the resources available and kind of become a beacon for what can be well done. We have the resources and it's an opportunity to save our environment and to lead the world in what is doable. Thank you very much. Thank you. Okay, we, next up, Ryan Neckle. I just wanted to say it's been fantastic seeing what the Measure D funds have been spent on, especially the rail and trail. I've used them myself many, many times on bike and by foot. It's been great for me and my friends to get to restaurants, to go shopping and just for myself to cruise around for fun and for exercise. I'm looking forward to seeing more funds spent on pedestrian and bike-friendly infrastructure such as the over-crossings on Highway 1, continuing the work on the rail and expanding the trail down to South County. So thank you for all of your work and I look forward to seeing what else gets done. Thank you. Okay, next up, Dee Young. I believe you just turned yourself to mute. So if you could unmute yourself. Great. I have. I have. Can you hear me now? Yes, we can hear you. We can hear you. Oh, thank you. Thank you, RTC, for your diligence, such a difficult task. I wanna stress, okay, I'm elderly and disabled, all right? So I don't ride a bike, but I wanna stress that the cost of global warming in our future is gonna far outweigh any cost to develop the rail in our branch line. So I fully support increasing the amount of money that the RTC is designating for the five-year plan to develop the rail trail. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Young. Okay, next up, Jack Brown, your turn. Hi, thanks. I just wanted to bring up a point which I don't think has been mentioned yet. The yes screenway petition gathering is going wildly successful and it's definitely going to be something that's on the June 22, 2022 ballot. I concentrate mostly on working South County and District 4 and I've been really encouraged by the number of people down there that want a safe trail and really cannot use a train because of their type of work where they're using a service vehicle or have to carry tools, things that would be inconvenient to do that way. So of course, a trail is probably not gonna help in that situation either, but it can get a lot of other people off the road and we should continue in the Transportation Commission to look at eliminating the commute mentality and doing things more locally where possible. I know it was kind of taken as a funny astride last time to say, why don't we move the county offices to South County and provide better access to the county government and more of a safe and District 4, which would be great, but that's a topic for another discussion. But my main point here is I'm really concerned about if this is going to be on the ballot and it appears as with, we have with Measure L and Capitola and with the District 1 election that the people really want to have a active transportation corridor that we should seriously consider pausing any new improvements on rail pieces of infrastructure during this time until it gets to the public where they finally get to have a direct vote on what is going on here. And then we can make better decisions and get rid of a lot of intentions going on in these meetings. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Brown. David loves public transit. You're up. Good morning. This all looks great. Thanks for your continued progress on the trail. I use sign 7 every day. And of course, the wildlife crossing brings tears to my eyes and good for maintaining our rail asset. Don't let the naysayers get you down. Thanks. Thank you. Eric Hansen. Yes, Eric Hansen, you're up. Good morning. The Measure D half cent transaction and use tax measure passed in November 26, 2016 is funded by all residents and visitors to Santa Cruz County. Many due to place of origin or inability to vote because of citizenship are unable to give voice to their transportation needs in local government referendums yet pay the tax nonetheless. It is the responsibility of all state regional transportation commissioners to equally equally way the mobility needs of those who are disenfranchised and to promote equitable transportation solutions for all. I support the allocation of 8% of revenue for the rail corridor infrastructure preservation and analysis of transportation options along the branch line as it conforms with the intent and purpose of both Measure D and Proposition 116 fund expenditures and California State Transportation Corridor Preservation Statutes. So in conclusion, I thank you and good work, commissioners. Thank you, Mr. Hansen. Okay, Beverly, it is your turn. Right after I took a bite of food. Hi. My name is Beverly Deschamps. I so appreciate the trail. I don't know what the earlier caller was talking about that it's not great, it's wonderful. I took from Bay Street all the way out to the Marine Lab and it's fantastic, great job. Thank you all for that. I tuned in a little bit late. So I didn't hear if you said what you were saying about the bus lane supposedly on the shoulder. We don't have a shoulder. That means you're gonna have to be building another lane. When I look at those cars sitting there spewing, spewing emissions all day long, most of the day just backed up and people can't get home. That is a travesty. These roads were built long before all the people and all the cars were here. We need another lane and I don't know if you address that, but we need that. I'm wondering whatever happened to the idea of PRT, the public rapid transit or personal rapid transit. That's a great strategy. Anyway, for those people who have to commute to Watsonville to add more time to their day by having to go and wait for a bus, get on the bus, all of that. People say that's gonna help them. I don't think so. It's adding more time to their day and I don't think it's fair. A colleague of mine who is an engineer said that the rail, although I'm for the rail says that it simply won't make much of an impact in reducing the traffic on highway one. We need another lane, I'm sorry to say. We just do, people are not getting out of their cars. Hey, I think we lost you. Sorry about that, Ms. Desho. We, it looks like we have one more speaker. So if any of you out there are still interested in speaking, please do raise your hands now before we close the public hearing. Next up, we have Andre Dure-Vort. If I pronounce that all right. Hey, you did all right. Thanks, Sandy. Andre Dure-Vort here. I'm a resident of the San Lorenzo Valley. I'm actually on the Taxpayer Oversight Committee representing DixTrick Five, but today I'm just speaking on behalf of myself. I wanna first congratulate the staff for really doing a great job with Measure D funds, especially in leveraging millions and millions of dollars in matching grants. That is a huge, huge feature of these funds. Second, I wanna say thank you very much for allocating funds towards the San Lorenzo Valley safe routes to school program. Huge improvements need to be made to keep kids safe on their way to school, reduce the traffic concerns and the emissions coming from cars along Highway nine. I do have some concerns, which is really just in getting this done. This is a huge task for Santa Cruz County Public Works as well as all the coordination that's gonna be needed done with Caltrans. And so I'm happy to see that there are funds allocated for corridor technical assistance oversight and community outreach. I think if it's possible to even increase the amount of funding towards getting RTC staff, the resources that they need to provide this oversight and coordination, their staff has consistently demonstrated the ability to get the job done and get it done in a way that has effective outcomes. I also have a concern that there is not enough promotion on the great tools being available under the Cruz 511 programs. These are really cool programs, just not a lot of awareness about them in my neighborhood. So once again, thanks so much to the board and staff and looking forward to seeing all the great work hit the ground. Thank you so much for your comments. Let's see, I don't see anybody else with a hand up. So we will return to the commission for a deliberation and action. Commissioner McPherson, it's your turn. Thank you, Madam Chair. I just wanted to say I'm really glad to measure D, recognize the value of all facets of our transportation network and thank you, Ms. Marconi for pointing out. We've leveraged a hundred million, more than a hundred million dollars. And when we passed measure D, as was stated by the recent fifth district spokesperson, we became a self-help county which really puts our county's skin in the game of transportation improvements. And that was an added value that I think most people outside of the specific transportation needs that we have, whether it be personal highway corridors or active transportation, but becoming a self-help county is invaluable now and it will be in the future for us to gain more access to grants. And I wanna thank the voters who, more than two thirds of whom passed measure D in 2016. Thank you. Thank you. Commissioner Schifrin. Thank you. The Budget Administration and Personnel Committee considered the five-year plan at its last meeting unanimously recommended its approval. And therefore, and also because I personally supported, I would move the staff recommendation to approve the five-year plan. I'll take a minute. We do have a motion and a second on the floor. Are there other commissioner comments before we proceed with a vote? Okay. Then we will take a roll call vote. Commissioner Bertrand. I agree. Commissioner Brown. I. Commissioner Johnson. I. Commissioner Montecino. Yes. Commissioner Alternate Hernandez. I. Commissioner Alternate Schifrin. I. Commissioner Alternate Quinn. Yes. Commissioner Koenig. I. Commissioner McPherson. I. Commissioner Peterson. I. Commissioner Alternate Pegler. I. And Commissioner Alternate Colin Torrey Johnson. I. That's unanimous. Hey, thank you. So in my zeal to open the public hearing, I did not open up to the public on item 20 commissioner reports. So I just wanted to give that opportunity to weigh in if there are members of the public who want to weigh in there. And seeing none, we will move on to item 21, our director's report. Thank you, Chair Brown and commissioners. I have some information on Assembly Bill 361 and what it means for RTC and committee meeting options. So prior to the expiration of the governor's executive order allowing public agencies to hold virtual meetings during the current pandemic, the California legislature and the governor signed into law Assembly Bill 361. 361 went into effect on October 1st and will allow until January 1st of 2024 the possibility for public agencies to hold meetings virtually if there is a declared state of emergency and for the state. And if there are recommendations from public officials for measures that promote social distancing, the current situation meets the requirements for RTC to hold this meeting under AB 361 without taking any action. If the RTC desires to continue to seek an exception to the Brown Act or either virtual or hybrid meetings the declared state of emergency must still be in place. And starting with the November 4th meeting, the RTC must make findings by majority vote that meeting in person would present eminent risks to the health and safety of attendees. Starting with the November meeting, staff will consider having an item on the consent agenda to allow the RTC to make the necessary findings. A decision to have such an item will depend on whether the conditions weren't adopting the necessary findings. If the RTC does not adopt the findings, all future meetings, including committee meetings will need to take place in accordance with the Brown Act. Excuse me. Staff has the ability to implement hybrid meetings, RTC meetings, if that is the desire of the commission. A hybrid meeting allows attendees to either attend in person or to attend remotely. The County Board of Supervisors Chambers is equipped to host hybrid meetings and available for RTC to use for future meetings. We have not identified another location so we would not be able to rotate meetings between Watsonville and Santa Cruz and Scotts Valley and Capitola. Staff is working through the logistics to ensure that hybrid meetings can be held in a safe manner. Based on the current situation with the pandemic where breakthrough infections are becoming more common, staff believes there is ample justification to continue to seek an exception from the Brown Act and recommends that the RTC continue with strictly virtual meetings throughout least November 4th and possibly later. The conclusion of this report, I encourage the commissioners to weigh in on the desired format and timing of future RTC meetings. I wanna note that RTC committees, including the elderly and disabled technical advisory committee have requested that exceptions to the Brown Act be permitted. So at a minimum, many meetings can continue to be held virtually until such time that it is determined that their safety concerns can be addressed. I stated earlier, approval of findings to allow this exception is not needed until November 4th. I have an announcement regarding our upcoming office move. So RTC is moving to the University Center Building located at 1101 Pacific Avenue Suite 250. Our move will take place between October 21st and 22nd. I want to at this point thank our prior chair, Aurelio Gonzalez for his service. I get to really know the chair very well during their tenure and Commissioner Gonzalez was an absolute pleasure to work with. He asked wonderful questions, was easy to reach and very interested in making a better transportation community for all. He was very saddened by having to step down from his post. He felt it was in the best interest of his family. His last words to me as outgoing chair was to continue working on getting the highway program and proved he really wants to see transportation become easier for South County and felt that the highway project was the best way of doing so. I also want to thank incoming chair or now chair, Sandy Brown for her great work at the legislative day with our federal team and the Central Coast Coalition. Chair Brown spent a lot of time and work getting prepared for that meeting. She presented very well. She was our lead on at least four of those meetings with our federal legislators and agencies and just did a bang up job of calling attention to the needs of our community and what our priorities are moving forward. So thank you, Chair Brown. With that, I will hand it over to you. Okay, thank you so much for the updates, Mr. Preston. And your request for commissioners to weigh in on how we will proceed with meetings moving forward. I want to ask if there are any questions from commissioners before we ask for public comment and then we'll come back for comments in additional direction. Okay, Commissioner Quinn, you are up. Thank you, chairperson. I think there was an Eklaheditorial in Sentinel on October 1st from CalMatters regarding the usefulness of these online meetings. And specifically they point out their lower cost and may in fact offer more people access to participate in view of the hearings than new meeting in person. So I love the opinion that if possible, we should continue to meet online or at the very least make these meetings available online to people who may not be able to attend in person. Thank you. Commissioner Schifrin. I also support continuing to have the ability to have a virtual meetings, but I think it's important to also allow those people who want to come and to be able to have the ability to speak directly to at least some of the commissioners. I kind of miss that sort of personal aspect of our commission meetings. So I think the approach that the Board of Supervisors has taken, which is to have hybrid meetings, is really a good approach. And I would hope that that would be an option that the commission would consider at our November 4th meeting. Commissioner Schifrin, I just wanted to clarify, do you mean for the November 4th meeting or at the meeting? At the meeting. Well, as I understand that there's gonna be a staff report at that meeting and it's gonna look at options. And I just want a serious consideration of the hybrid option to be among the choices that the commission can make at that time if it desires to do so. Thank you. Okay, Commissioner Hernandez. So I also support the virtual meetings or even the hybrid for folks that want to come in, but especially for folks that live out in Scotts Valley and South County, we don't need to add more. As a transportation agency, we should be a model agency and not add to greenhouse gases and traffic congestion. I know they're not asking that, they're asking about health concerns, but also being a transportation agency, we shall also think about greenhouse gases and traffic congestion. Thank you. Commissioner Bertrand, you're up. Thank you very much, Chair. So I think for some, the hybrid is gonna be the best because it offers two options. And so in terms of democratization, as it was just said, there's people that find it difficult to come in or maybe it's time constraints, et cetera. And so I appreciate the Zoom for them and for some of us who really like to meet the people that come and for those who would like to meet us, I like the in-person. So having an option that provides for both, I think is what I would support. It's the best way to go. Thank you. I don't see any additional commissioners' hands up. I will take it out to the public and I see one hand up, two hands up. Mr. Barry Scott, you are up next. Well, thanks everyone. I miss meetings. I gotta tell you, I miss coming to the meetings and seeing other people in the seats and everything. But on the other hand, coming from Mid County, getting on at eight, I don't know what time I'd have, I used to leave eight o'clock to get to a nine o'clock meeting from the Rio del Mar exit. I have been very happy that this is possible. Now, imagining coming from Watsonville to make a nine a.m. meeting, and I know that formerly we would have every fourth meeting or something in Watsonville, when I think about our South County residents, I feel that keeping the virtual meeting option forever is the right thing to do. So hybrids, when it's safe to have in-person meetings and keep that virtual option, please. But to go a little bit further, is there a way, I'm sure there's a way. Let me just say, I'm sure there's a way to provide a translation service live during these meetings. There must be a way that our Spanish-speaking community can participate fully in the important, in the important activities of the RTC. And I hope that the commission will consider looking into that possibility as well as virtual meetings and hybrid meetings. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Scott. Michael Lewis. Hello, and thank you. I'd like to encourage, as others have, the consideration of hybrid meetings. Not only is it a good place for the public to meet the commissioners and vice versa, it's also a good place for the public to meet each other. And this is called community, and we want to encourage community in every aspect. And hybrid meetings is a pretty good way to allow people to meet to each other and also bring in people to whom it's inconvenient. Also remember that this system that we're using right now is not without its own environmental impacts. Doing this requires huge servers all around the country that take a lot of energy and require cooling. And so doing this is not less impact to the environment than traveling here from another location, especially when this body meets in various locations around the county. We have taken place in a hybrid meeting for the county. And although everyone's learning how to do that now, it looks like it's gonna work pretty well to allow access both in-person and via the internet for those who can't arrive at the meeting. Thanks for your consideration. Thank you. So next up, we have rail and trail for equity and environment. Hi, thank you so much. I myself enjoy meeting people face to face. I'm a shake the hand kind of person, but I have to say that we already have difficulty in our community getting to the meetings for people who work throughout the day, students who are in classes, folks who are disabled and can't easily attend meetings through our limited public transit system and so forth. And so I do think it's very important that we have both opportunities, both the in-person as well as I support forever being able to have remote access to these meetings. It will give both the equity and the environmental aspects do wait. In terms of the environment, I have to say that getting in a car and driving from Watsonville for an hour plus is a huge impact on our environment, not to mention the rubber tires and et cetera. So I support both in-person and remote continuing forever. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, I see one more hand up. David, I believe that's Mr. Van Brink. Hello. Yes, this is David Van Brink. And yes, of course, I also approve of hybrid meetings and hopefully the Brown Act will be amended for the 21st century, so we can continue doing this. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, I believe that we've had public comment here, so let's bring it back and some commissioners have weighed in. Are there any other commissioners who want to express your perspective on how we proceed? Okay, I'll just add, I'll just say, and I imagine many of you have heard from constituents various perspectives on the value of virtual versus in-person meetings, and this experience we're having has really opened up new possibilities for participation at the same time that it's, at least according to many of my constituents in the city of Santa Cruz, put a damper on public participation. So I think we know there are ups and downs we're kind of learning as we go, but this has created some new opportunities, and I want to just add my agreement that pursuing the hybrid option, I think does make sense as we move forward. Conditions are somewhat fluid, so I think having the opportunity to make that determination moving forward in the way that's been suggested makes sense, Mr. Preston, so thank you for that. And with no further comments or questions, we will move on now to item 22 of the Caltrans report. Mr. Covins. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Chair Brown. I just have a few announcements to make today. In September, on September 7th, Caltrans had released our latest Sustainable Transportation Planning Grant call for applications. There's two subcategories, strategic partnership and transit, as well as sustainable communities, trying to encourage local and regional planning that further state goals. So this year, there's $34 million available out of those two categories. As I said, on September 7th, it was announced. And so just to make sure that people understood the process, we also hosted a virtual workshop for the district for all of our agencies to hear about the opportunity and the deadlines. Deadline would be October 27th for getting grants in with announcements being made in the spring. Another program I would like to just highlight. This year, we have a new program called Clean California, part of the statewide budget. And it's an initiative to remove trash from all of our highways, local roads, public spaces, as well as do beautification where we can. Just to kind of put some things in perspective, in the year 2020, Caltrans had removed 267,000 cubic yards of trash, which is statewide enough to fill 18,000 garbage trucks. This year with Clean California, we're removing an additional million and a half cubic yards. That's our goal, working together. So there's multiple ways to do that, which you'll be hearing about periodically as we announce them. We have more staff dedicated to just litter pick up. And in order to do that, we're proud to say that we've expanded our classifications. We have lower level classifications that have much lower obstacles or barriers to enter into the workforce. And so it's a good transition for people that are able to then become workers. As well as we will be having free dump days and other things to just encourage people not to dump on the side of roadways, be it state or local road. So we'll be looking at that. We will then also have, so that's part of the money of just increased pickup, but there's other programs that will then allow us to beautify and do permanent fixes to our roadways. On the state side, we're looking at some different projects to do, but there will also be a local grant program. And so the local grant program had a workshop last month and there's another one happening today. So those workshops will explain the process. In December, there'll be a call for projects with applications due in February, which in order to meet all the criteria of the applications, they can sometimes be fairly robust. That's why we're having the workshop let people start thinking about what they're gonna do. And a lot of the criteria will include public outreach and community-based organizations. So I encourage you all to look at that for the opportunities we have to do things together. And then lastly, this is the time of year. I know you just recently talked about maintenance along your rail corridor. This is the time of year we really look at doing winter preparation to make sure that drainages can be clear. We all know what happens when fires come and clog drainages or there's overgrowth and we have intense periods of rain following fires. So this week, we've been working on Highway 9. We've had closure, Paradise Park to Glen Gary Road. So thank you for your patience as we have to do that. Most of our work will not be that impactful, but as just a reminder, as we have closures for either maintenance, construction or anything else, it is for a long-term effort, please be patient with that. Please adjust accordingly. And we will work together with all of the agencies trying to make sure that this winter goes just as smoothly as possible, even if we get some of these extreme events. And that is all, I also have a package in your agenda package of Caltrans projects. So that is all I have, Chair, if there's any questions from your commissioners. Thank you, Mr. Govins. Appreciate it. And I'll just say, we appreciate all of the work that's happening and are looking forward to partnering. And just for folks out there, these are disruptions and they are disruptions that are critical to ensuring we don't have bigger disruptions. So just want to appreciate all that work and taking care of the safety of the folks who are out doing that work as well as we're out on the roads. So thank you. Commissioner McPherson. First of all, thank you, Mr. Director Govins for your attention to Santa Cruz County and District 5 of Caltrans. On the sustainable grants of 34 million, is that within District 5 or statewide? And then maybe to our staff, have we made any applications in this regard? If I could address the first half of that Commissioner McPherson. Yes, it is a statewide number and it's split to about four and a half million for the partnership with transit, looking at transit focused planning projects and 29 and a half million for the sustainable community grants. And for the second part of your question, Commissioner McPherson, RTC staff is working on two potential planning grant applications. One would be based on equity and the second one would be based on the concept of climate resiliency. Those were two of the many ideas we've loaded with Caltrans staff that received the most positive input and we're working on those applications now. I don't know, of course, if we will be successful with them but we'll report out at PR. Thank you. Mr. Hearst. Yes, I too want to thank Director Govins for his focus on Watsonville. Watsonville is very dependent on Caltrans because we have three state highways that bisect Watsonville. Highway State Highway 129, State Highway 156 and State Highway 1. And so the emphasis on safety as well as beautification and trash removal and also our downtown making it more pedestrian friendly and more business friendly as well. Those are the things that we look for Caltrans to assist us with when we say thank you very much. Thank you, sir. Commissioner Hernandez. You know, and one thing about South County and when it comes to safety, our downtown is literally a highway as well. But I wanted to find out if we can get leads to some of the workshops that are happening that Caltrans puts on. If we can get reminders and links about any of the workshops and webinars that get put on that Caltrans does or District 5 as well. Thank you. That's a good point. Thank you, Commissioner Hernandez. Mr. Govins, did you want to provide any additional information now or you said there's one today, is there just a direction you can send people who are interested in looking at this? Yeah, and actually it's happening at the same time. So I don't know if I'll be able to do that. But I will make sure I will check in with your exact director and staff to make sure that they are receiving it and can forward it on. But I do believe on these, I have a group that we call our local assistants that work very closely with each agency that's represented here. And they're typically have a mailing list for all these. But I will work also to make sure that your exact director has it in case it should go directly to the commissioners. Typically it goes to the staff level. Thank you, Mr. Govins, we appreciate very much. Okay, so we are moving on now to item 24. This is a report on the Santa Cruz branch rail line boundary survey project and Grace Blakesley will be providing, I believe a report for us. I think, excuse me, I think there needs to be the ability of the public to comment on the Caltrans report. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry, I forgot about that. I thought I had done it. Okay, excuse me. So we'll take it out to the public for comment on the Caltrans report. Mr. Lewis, you're up. Good for you. Yes. Oh, hi, this is me. Hi, Sandy, this is Jean Brocklebank. And I wanted to thank so much Caltrans for the report. At first of all, I'd like to say thanks to all Caltrans workers who are out there in the field doing all of that very unsafe work and well-appreciated work, thanks to them. I also looked at the project updates. I'm glad that was in the packet, in the agenda packet. I am mostly very, very pleased and excited about the Highway 17, wildlife habitat crossing project. We even contributed some of our own personal money toward a fundraiser for that. And we are anxious to see that happen and very happy about that particular project. Thank you. If I may, Chair, before you go on, that is an update I could have included for the wildlife. As we've awarded that project, we did not want to start that and then have to halt it in the winter months. So we look to actually start that this coming February, once we get past some of the rainy season. So thank you for that opportunity to fill in. Okay, rail and rail for equity. Your turn. Hi, thanks so much. I just have a request. If some of these meetings are publicly available to attend by Caltrans, thank you for that report. It would be great to have a link or access for the public so that we can basically link into and see the dates and attend those meetings. Thank you so much. Rebecca Downing. Yes, you were discussing the cleanup of trash along the highways. And I think the Mr. Roadshow column has been full of comments about that recently. I would like to suggest that when you create the signage to encourage people not to litter, that you perhaps in some cases include the storm runoff potential because a lot of this trash may or may not include things that are detrimental to our streams and all these things go down the storm drains, especially when we have a major rain event. So it's just a small suggestion, but it's something people don't see so they don't always think about. Thank you. Thank you. I see Mr. Govins, you are shaking your head vigorously. If you'd like to say anything in response, you're on. Again, thank you, Chair. It's a good idea. I will take that back and look at the signage we have and to make sure we've done that at particularly sensitive drainages so we can look and see if we can put it in. Sometimes we're limited to the signs we have along a highway because of that speed. It's hard to take that all in on the sides. But we will look at that. Great, thank you. Okay, we will now move on to the Boundary Survey Project report from Grace Blakely, Senior Transportation Planner. Good morning, commissioners. Can you hear me okay? Yes. Okay, great. I'm before you to provide you with an update on the Boundary Survey Project and provide the results of the phase one of the Boundary Survey Project. In July 2020, the RTC entered into an agreement with RRM Design in the amount of $183,000 to complete phase one of the Boundary Survey Project for Santa Cruz Ranch Rail Line between the San Lorenzo River and Rio del Mar Boulevard. The Boundary Survey Project supports current and future uses of the rail corridor, including maintenance and repairs as part of our preventative maintenance and rail infrastructure programs, including erosion control, drainage maintenance, storm damage repairs, bridge repairs, and vegetation management. And also the Boundary Survey supports development of the Monterey Bay Sanctuary Scenic Trail and Coastal Rail Trail Project. The segments nine, 10, 11, and 12 are covered in the Boundary Survey and development of these segments is underway. These projects will construct over seven miles of the trail along the Santa Cruz Ranch Rail Line from the city of Santa Cruz to Rio del Mar Boulevard and incorporated area in the county of Santa Cruz. The purpose of the Boundary Survey is to identify encroachments, identify right-of-way needs of trail projects, support right-of-way certification for these projects, and assist RTC staff with coordination of rail line repairs with neighboring property owners as needed. Phase one of the Santa Cruz Boundary Survey included aerial mapping, ownership document research, and boundary mapping. This involved imagery flights, research of the rail corridor's boundary, utilizing the RTC's title and deed information and valuation maps. It also included evaluation of other publicly available documents regarding adjoining properties. It involves supplemental field work to locate and survey features such as property fences and structures obstructed by tree cover in the aerial mapping task. And finally, it involved plotting the Santa Cruz branch rail line boundaries overlaid on the aerial mapping. The results of that work is included in attachment one through attachment D, which are separated by segment nine, 10, 11, and 12, and linked from attachment one of the staff report due to their size. In general, the boundary locations and widths are similar to the information provided in the 2005 Santa Cruz branch rail line right-of-way maps developed for planning purposes. The intention of the Boundary Survey project is to identify encroachments and establish those rail line boundaries, not to identify types of ownership. The boundaries shown here include property owned in key or easing. In the exhibits, you can see the aerial imagery of the Santa Cruz branch rail line that was covered in the boundary survey as well as the neighboring properties. The heavier line with two dashes on the inland and coastal side of the rail indicate the inland and coastal boundaries respectively. The width of the rail line right-of-way is provided on the exhibits with arrows from the rail line centerline to both the inland and coastal boundary lines. The right-of-way ranges from 30 feet to greater than 100 feet. These images have been orthorectified, which basically means that the boundary line is showing up in its true position to the surrounding properties. However, if someone was to overlay the County of Santa Cruz GIS neighboring property boundary lines on these maps, they should be aware that the neighboring property boundaries may be estimates. Once phase two of the boundary service project is complete, the lines shown in Attachment 1A 3-1-D will be updated in the Santa Cruz County GIS database. On Attachment 1D exhibit 13, you'll notice that a boundary line for the Santa Cruz branch rail line is not shown across Trout Gold Road. Additional information is needed to establish the boundary in the solicitation, which could be completed at a later date if needed for the projects right-of-way certification. The minimum within this location would be the 20-foot-pre-usment. To inform RTC about the extent of encroachments, Phase 1 reviewed potential encroachments by way of a desktop analysis of the aerial imagery and boundary information, but it did not include field measurements of the encroachments. That would be included in Phase 2 that's before you today. The potential encroachments include fences, structures, formalized parking, or landscape improvements that extend into the Santa Cruz branch rail line, plant materials, and patio furniture is not identified as an encroachment unless it's behind an encroaching fence or other structure. And plant material not associated with RTC maintenance trail or related activities may be removed as part of the Santa Cruz branch rail line maintenance program. The information in Phase 1 again will be used to develop the encroachments exhibits in Phase 2 of the boundary survey. To the extent feasible, RTC staff intends to address encroachments in advance of rail infrastructure repairs and maintenance activities and trail construction. As a reminder, RTC must address encroachments on RTC publicly owned property and to ensure no gift of public funds to an individual or private property owner. Options for addressing the encroachments on the publicly owned property include their removal, leases, license, and rights of entry. Consistent with RTC encroachment policies which is included as attachment three, removal of encroachments are prioritized based on funding availability and on encroachments impacts to Santa Cruz branch rail line uses, operations, inspections, and maintenance or implementation of projects by RTC or partner agencies in the vicinity of the branch line or on liabilities to the regional transportation commission. RTC staff plans to address encroachments identified in the recently completed boundary survey over a period of three years starting in fiscal year 22-23 based on funding availability. RTC costs associated with encroachment removal include development of the encroachments exhibits which is included in the phase two contract before you today and coordination with property owners. Funding for the work involved to coordinate with property owners for these segments would be included in the future budget and is not part of this particular contract. RTC staff proposes to address encroachments in the following order. First encroachments which conflict with the Santa Cruz branch rail line quarter maintenance program. Next area is where the right of way is 35 feet or less to provide sufficient space for maintenance activities and trail projects. Next encroachments that conflict with trail projects. For these project sponsors for the trail projects project sponsors will provide RTC with maps of the alignment for the plan trail project and RTC will take steps to remove encroachments that conflict with the plan trail. Conceptual design and alignments are being developed by the project sponsors for segment nine, 10 and 11 and should be available by the end of the calendar year. But RTC and project sponsors will wait to determine encroachment conflicts until the final alignments are selected after completion of the calendar year. Finally, RTC would address those encroachments that are subject to leases because they do not conflict with the branch line operations, maintenance or implementation by projects by RTC and partner agencies. RTC will endeavor to limit impacts to both projects and property owners to the extent practical by providing a reasonable time for encroachment and removal or lease options if feasible. Encroachments that include permanent structures will be the most challenging to address and RTC will work closely with property owners to identify options through immediate encroachments. The intent would be to find solutions that remove impacts and obstacles to maintaining and utilizing the publicly owned right of way for transportation purposes. Phase two, which is the contract before you today of the boundary survey projects, again includes that encroachment exhibit preparation which requires field measurement of encroachments, record of survey preparation and right of way monumentation. These steps will allow RTC then to work with the property owners to resolve any encroachments. The phase two contract with the scope of services, the fee schedule, the not to exceed cost proposal and project schedule are included as attachment to exhibit A of your packet. Pending RTC approval today, the phase two would begin near the end of October. The first step includes completing the record of survey with the County of Santa Cruz. Our design proposes to complete the record of survey by trail segment starting north to south or west to east. This process takes about six months for each segment. The next step is development of the encroachment exhibits also a schedule to take about six months. The entire project is scheduled to be completed in about 18 months, spring 2023, due to the staggering of work by segment. At that time, RTC may initiate encroachment removal with effective property owners. The measure the active transportation encroachments and maintenance category considered by you is item 23. On today's agenda included funding for phase two of the Santa Cruz branch rail line boundary survey. The RTC fiscal year 2122 budget as amended as part of item 25 on the agenda day also includes funding for phase two of the boundary survey. Staff recommends that RTC accept the Santa Cruz branch rail line boundary survey between San Lorenzo River and Rio del Mar Boulevard and adopt a resolution authorizing the executive director to amend the Santa Cruz branch rail line boundary survey project contract with our and to include the work to complete phase two of the Santa Cruz branch rail line survey. In the amount of $455,500 for a total contract amount of $638,670. That concludes my report. Thank you, Ms. Blasey. That was very helpful and the maps and all the attachments also very helpful to be able to visualize. Thank you for that thorough report. Commissioner Schifrin questions. You're on mute. Mr. Schifrin. Thank you for the report. Frankly, I found the whole issue somewhat confusing. Would it be fair to say that the purpose of this whole effort is to really try to clarify what the commission owns in terms of the right of its right of way and where there may be adjacent property owners that are encroaching on the property that have activities that are encroaching on the commissioner, the commission's property? Yes, the primary objective is to identify those encroachments and we must establish the boundary lines to do that. Okay. Thank you. That's what I kind of got, but we're getting a lot of information and I assume that it's also going to be relevant to eventually understanding property owners who have easements, what property, the nature of the various easements and that by having a clearer understanding of what the boundaries are, we'll have a better understanding of, better be able to understand what the potential easements are as well. Is that true? Well, through development of the encroachment exhibits, we'll have the opportunity to work with the individuals or property owners that are encroaching to determine if they need to remove the encroachment or if we could have a lease with them. So that will follow phase two once all the exhibits identifying the encroachments are completed. But the major purpose is just to identify what encroachments exist specifically. Right, and to have field measurements of those and to map those and to define the Santa Cruz Branch Rail Line boundary is really a key step in getting there. Okay, thank you. Okay, I don't see any other questions. So we will take it out to the public for comments and Mr. Lewis and or Ms. Brocklebank, you're up. Okay, this is Jean Brocklebank speaking. I'm concerned about segment 10. This is a segment that includes what appeared to be now a lot of encroachment by homes within a mobile home park, blue and gold mobile home park and on the north of the corridor and Castle Mobile Estates on the south. Looking at it and I realized that we're not done yet Grace, I know we're not done with this, but it appears that there are at least a dozen homes in this mobile home park that are encroaching in the corridor at this point of the corridor that's 35 feet wide. And I just want to say to commissioners that because they're called mobile homes, that doesn't mean they can be moved. These are manufactured homes. They can't easily be moved out of the corridor because they would encroach on the roadway within the park. And also this would require digging all of the utilities which are underground and even if they could move them. And I'm really concerned about this. I think that this is a messy, a very messy and problematic area of the rail corridor in segment 10. And it will cause a great deal of grief to the people. These are all affordable homes. This is our affordable housing stock within the county of Santa Cruz. And I see some trouble ahead. And I just want to raise this flag and have commissioners take a look at that one segment 10. This is just west of 38th Avenue and see what kinds of problems we might be getting into here. Thank you. Thank you. Tina Andreada, return. Good morning again. Can you hear me, Sandy and everyone? Thank you. Thank you so much. I want to thank the RTC for taking action to clarify the boundaries. I think it's good to know more information and deal with the encroachments. This needs to be done regardless of how we use the rail corridor. And I think we need to know where the boundaries are. And I want to thank everyone for this important project. And thank you very much. That's it. Thank you. Mr. Scott. Okay, thank you. I, like Tina said, I'm really happy to see this work being done. And it's consistent with some of the commentary in the Monterey Bay Sanctuary, Scenic Trail, the FEIR and the master plan, where in the section that Ms. Brocklebank mentioned, segment 10, where the corridor is 30 feet wide, there are encroachments, but also a need anticipated in that plan to shift the railroad tracks over to provide room for the trail. So I just want to say that there are solutions to every problem, every single challenge of having the rail trail built as planned. There are engineering solutions and I'm confident that the RTC and county public works and city governments will be able to work with residents who for whatever reason, have been approached into the right of way that the solutions can be found. Similarly with places where we're crossing bodies of water, a lot of people don't realize that the master plan calls for new, safe, new, dedicated, pre-engineered, bike and pedestrian bridges so that the rail line and rail bridges remain in use for rail. So I'm just really excited to see the survey, the surveys being done as a critical step toward building our magnificent world-class rail trail. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, rail and trail for equity and environment, you're up. Thank you so much, Sandy. I just want to thank the RTC to say this important work, really appreciate that you're investing time and energy and money into this work. It is really necessary to build our fabulous trail without removing the rail line and we need this work to begin any of the processes that we want to initiate with rail and trail. Thank you so much. You. Rebecca Downing, you're up. Yes, as I mentioned before, I live along the rail corridor in C-Cliff and had a really good working relationship with Union Pacific regarding maintenance, safety and other issues along the rail corridor. And I've been looking forward to this work since the RTC purchased the rail line. So I welcome it, I can't wait till you get it done. That really helps those of us that live next to the property to better understand how things are going to impact us. And I really thank Grace for some of that language about working with adjacent property owners because as probably some of you commissioners have noticed, excuse me, from walking the corridor, a lot of us have done things on your property to beautify, assist, make safer, because we're all sort of looking out behind our property to make sure that what's going on with our neighbor keeps our property safe. So I just want you to keep that in mind as you proceed. Thank you. Thank you. So we will now bring it back to the commission for discussion and action. Commissioner Koenig. Thank you, Chair Brown. I just wanted to respond to the comments by Jean Brocklebank and Michael A. Lewis. It did, there's definitely some concerning portions of this report in segment 10. I did have a chance to review the report in detail with Ms. Placely and Director Preston yesterday. I just wanted to assure you that I'll be working closely with the park owners, the residents, plan to present this matter to the Mobile Manufactured Home Commission at your November meeting and lead it to the best possible outcome. And with that, I'm prepared to move the staff recommendation. Second. Okay, thank you. We have a motion and a second. Mr. Bertrand, comments on the item. Yeah, I think what Commissioner Koenig said, I agree with, we have some mobile home parks in Capitola that are going to be impacted. And I think I'm going to join with him before the Mobile Home Commission and have that discussion with him. Thank you very much. Thank you. Appreciate the work of commissioners as well to engage with our community. Thank you for that. Okay, so we have a motion and a second. Any other comments before we proceed to a vote? Okay. Thank you. Yes, Ania, you're up. Commissioner Bertrand. Aye. Commissioner Brown. Aye. Commissioner Johnson. Aye. Commissioner Montecino. Yes. Commissioner Alternate Hernandez. Yes. Commissioner Alternate Schifrin. Aye. Commissioner Alternate Quinn. Yes. Commissioner Koenig. Aye. Commissioner Alternate Johnson. Yes. Commissioner Peterson. Aye. Commissioner Alternate Pegler. Aye. And Commissioner Alternate Callentary Johnson. Aye. That was unanimous. Okay. Moving right along, we now have item 25. These are amendments to the fiscal year 21-22 budget and work program. And Tracy New, our director of budget and finance will give us a report. Thank you. Good morning, commissioners and members of the public. I'm here to present a proposed amendment to our fiscal year 2021-2022 budget and work program that was originally adopted in April and has been amended to carry over fiscal year 2020 and fiscal year 2020 to 2021 balances or include additional work on projects approved by the commission. The amendment presented today includes revised estimates from Hinderleit and Dolamis and the state controller's office for state transit assistance and state of good repair revenues. The state controller revised their estimates in September with state transit assistance funds expected to increase from 3.5 million to almost 4.3 million, which is 16.6% higher than the January 2021 estimate. The RTC portion of the state of good repair revenues is expected to come in 3% lower or approximately 12,000 less than the January 2021 estimate. These amounts are shown on page 25-12. Hinderleit and Dolamis updated their projections for measure D expecting revenues to increase by 4.5% or $1 million to 23.5 million from the previous estimate of 22.5 million, as shown on page 25-52. Measure D's better than expected performance was led by auto sales, online sales and large spike in lumber prices. Santa Cruz benefited from tourism far above what was expected this early. The numbers were what we had hoped for. We are expecting almost 3.5 million in fiscal year 2021-2022 from the regional surface transportation exchange program. And anticipate these funds will be programmed in December 2021. The total amount of RSTPX funds available for programming is shown on page 25-16. The 8% TDA reserve and 30% RTC reserve targets were met with the adoption of the April 2021 budget or our new additional funds needed at this time. RTC continues its work on the 2045 regional transportation plan, metropolitan transportation plan, sustainable community strategy and outreach to be completed by the end of the fiscal year in addition to other programming projects. The budget incorporates the Measure D five-year programming of regional projects item 23 on today's agenda adopted earlier today, including RTC's work on the Santa Cruz branch rail line, highway 1 corridor and Monterey basin tracing trail. The budget and administration personnel committee and staff recommend that the regional transportation commission adopt the resolution, which is attachment one, approving the proposed amended fiscal year 2021-2022 budget and work program and the Measure D budget, which is exhibit A to attachment one. Except the 2021 Measure D economic forecast HDL companies, which is attachment number two, except the revised Measure D revenue three year forecast for fiscal years 2021-2022 to 23-24. The revised HDL companies, which is attachment number three and except the fiscal year 2021 quarter four, which is people through June sales tax at the HDL attachment four. Thank you for that clear overview of a very thorough and information filled report, staff report. Thank you. Questions from commissioners about the report or the recommendation. Okay. Any members of the public interested in commenting, seeing none, I will ask my colleagues to offer up a motion. I see commissioner Schifrin. Thank you. The budget administration and personnel committee reviewed the staff recommended budget amendments and unanimously recommended to the commission and approval. So I would move the staff recommendation on this item. Okay. So we have a motion and a second. It was almost a tie there between commissioner Petro and Montesino. I'll let you decide who goes in the record. Okay. So we are ready then for a vote. Commissioner Bertrand. I agree. Commissioner Brown. I. Commissioner Johnson. I. Commissioner Montesino. Yes. Commission alternate Hernandez. Yes. Commission alternate Schifrin. I. Commission alternate Quinn. Oops, yes. Commissioner Koenig. I. Commission alternate Johnson. Yes. Commissioner Peterson. I. Commission alternate Pegler. I. And commission alternate Colin Tari Johnson. I. That's unanimous. Okay, with that, we will move on to item 26. This is a review of items to be discussed in our closed session to follow this meeting. Thank you, Madam Chair. The commission has two closed session items both related to real property negotiations. We do anticipate a discussion amongst the commissioners, but we do not anticipate any reportable actions. Okay, so we will then adjourn into closed session and we will not be coming back for a report out at the end. That means that I will adjourn the closed or the open session portion of our meeting today. And we will head into closed session. Thank you all for being here and thank you to the public for joining us and weighing in. Excuse me, Madam Chair. Yes. I think I saw a hand up from someone. Did you? Oh, I apologize. It's possible for the public to provide comments before the closed session. Thank you. I'm sorry, I didn't see any hands. It was blocked by a document. Okay. We do have a member of the public who would like to address us on closed session and that would be Brian for now. Hey, thanks, Commissioner, for taking that time. Thanks, Louise, for doing that. So first of all, I want to recognize the leadership that Guy Preston has been doing on bringing forth the projects that he's been doing and the whole staff. Very, very successful three years that he's been doing that. It's really good that it looks like you're moving forward with dealing with the property issues. I'm hopeful that you'll deal with the rail banking, leverage the rail banking and truly hopeful that you address the progressive contractor. The sooner you alleviate our community from that, the better. Now, let me just make one last comment about a prior comment that I made on the chair committee. I want to apologize first of all because I don't think it came out well. So first of all, I want to apologize to the committee and the former chairman because the intent was not truly to be decisive or defensive. So I want to apologize for that. My point was is the need for us to, for the commissioners to communicate correctly the facts. And so I felt there was a little frustration with what had been communicated in the past. Having said that, I just want to apologize to the commission and to the former chairman or making any type of negative personal communications because that's not right. I'm trying to improve upon that communication. So again, thank you for your time. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Peoples. With that, I believe we are now ready to move to closed session. So thanks everybody. See you on the other Zoom very soon. Do we want to take a five minute break? Are folks, it looks like folks are leaving. Yeah, we usually do about five minutes. Okay, so see you on the other Zoom in five. Great.