 Thanks. Okay, we are recording. Okay. Thank you. Yep. Have a great meeting. Thank you. Hello. How are you? How about you? Good. So we are, we're recording to the cloud just so you know, so. Okay. I won't say anything. You were feeling. So that I will use myself and another friend brought our kids to the car. Last week, I think. Oh, good. Yeah. It was nice. It was quiet. Yeah. Did manage to do some crafts and good craft room and the kids loved running around in the gallery. So. Good. Well, thanks for coming. Yeah. How's the attendance been. It's quiet. It's quiet, but. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just picking up a little bit, but. Yeah. It's still. Still quiet. Hi, Amy. Hi, Shona. We're already recording. Just so you know, and Jim is not going to be here today. Okay. So we'll just get started since it is. Okay. Somebody's got, somebody's got music on. I'm going to read the. We'll be a lot to read for us to begin, and then we can get started. So pursuant to governor Baker's March 12, 2020 orders, suspending certain divisions of the open meeting law. General law chapter 30 a section 18. This meeting of the Amherst public art commission is being conducted by a remote participation. Now I have to do a roll call check just to make sure everybody's on the phone. Yeah. Amy Crawley. Here. Shona King. Here. And Bill Cason here. Jim Barnhill is absent. The meeting is now called to order. And if anybody wants to call it on the phone, press, if anybody's calling it on the phone, nobody currently is press star nine to raise their hand to speak. All right. So. Hello. I will begin by saying I expect this to be a very short meeting. Primarily because I have had zero time basically to put toward public art commission stuff in the last three weeks or so since it's been since we last met. The situation with the public schools that some of you may have been following have been. Well, from some of our point of view. It's been extremely challenging. And it's kind of absorbing. Much of my time plus other. Commitments that I have. So it's. Yeah, it's been tough. But we can discuss that elsewhere. So. Share reports. I have really nothing to report. Except one thing I've been working. I think one thing I have been working on sort of is working with Brianna sonnard. Sorry, Brianna, I'm sure I pronounced your last name wrong. In town hall to get a press release written. 4% for art. And so I drafted it and I sent it to her and she had said that. Lynn Griesimer and maybe somebody in town hall want to. Add to it. Basically I wrote like a paragraph summary and then threw in a quick quote of my own at the bottom and, you know, be nice to get a press release. And then I sent it to her and she said, Hey, this is great. So that we have a press release. We can blast the press. We did get a write up in mass live. And the other thing is that the mass municipal society is, you called me up to do something on their. Website for their newsletter for their folks. But that's really the only press I've seen. Even the Gazette. I don't think that a follow-up piece after that initial. This is coming up for a vote. And then we have a press release. And we can kind of on that a bit and try to get a little more attention. The other thing I think is key about the press release is that we, we want to fill those two seats that we have, and we have to start interviewing people. So once we have the press release that I think we put the call out again for new members. And then we linked to the press release and say, Hey, come join us. You get to work on this exciting new project. And I think that hopefully would be a selling point. And Amy, I did get that email you sent me. I haven't been able to follow up yet with that person from the press release. So I hope you can reach back out to her. In fact, you might want to do that and say, Hey, we're looking for new members. You might want to think about applying. I can follow up. You know, Amy had come by. And I signed off on the forms that we needed to get the checks cut. I haven't heard anything back. So you can let me know what's going on with that. Amy, once we get to electrify immersed. And I think that's about it. From my end as far as. So. So, I guess we haven't really spent any money. No change. Oh, I guess the other thing is we could, I looked at the minutes. And the one thing I didn't notice is a million shoe is our last name. It's HSU. SHU. HSU. Thank you. But otherwise it would look good to me. If anybody else has. Any significant changes. Otherwise I say. We move to ratify the minutes and. I move that amount. Do it. Any second. Second. Second. All in favor of approving the minutes. Hey. Yeah. Okay. Bravo. Hey, so. Okay. So. So on to electrify. Where do we stand? Pretty much where. What you've already stated. The check or I should say the paperwork for the reimbursement was submitted to the Amherst cultural council on October 8th. I got an email acknowledgement from GG. And so it's, it's in there. And it's, it's in there. It's in there. It's in there. It's in there. Ballpark right now. Hopefully going through the process. To have the. Check. Sent out. I did request that they send. The check. To build address. Because we cannot access our. Mailbox at the library. And GG didn't think there would be any. Problem with that. So. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Getting it deposited and. Turned around to the artists. Great. Oh, and Jim Barnhill did take photos of the two artists. The boxes. And he sent them to me. Did he send them to you as well? I haven't received anything. I did. Here. He had one scheduled. And was waiting back to hear from the other folks. So it sounds like he may have. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. So he has a photo of Michelle. And Peter. And then the third artist didn't want to be photographed with her box. So we should just get some photos out of the box. So. My little videos that I've got on Slate still are. They're going to happen. They just. There's a bigger project that had a harder deadline that jumped out of the box. So. I have some pictures that I took that I can send you Shona. And I don't know if Michelle had also reached out to you because she had a bunch of pictures. Yes, she did. And she also wanted to redo her interview. So. We actually did it like a re-interview with her last week. Okay. So. So. Nothing else. Not for, not for the box project. Okay. Town Hall gallery. Town Hall gallery is the same. I've been in touch with Chris Bordenka, who would have been our onsite artists for November, December. He's. Interested with doing the digital and he has videos and things. So I'm working with him to get stuff. Put together and on our Facebook page and on the page on the town website. Right. Well, he was the one that had the fun, like toys and stuff, right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, that's a fun one. Yeah. He's got some nice stuff. Time-lapse videos and things. So. Oh, cool. Can't wait to see it. Amy, I'm sorry. Chris's last name. It's Bordenka, which is B O R. D E N. C A. I believe. Bordenka. Yep. You're welcome. Social media and the updates. Well, that was sort of time to social media. So any further. Yeah. Cross over there. No, no, no. You know, it's shown on I can. We are putting just putting other things up there with. Public art stuff or things going on town around town. I don't know if anybody had the opportunity to go to the. Photography projection event on Friday. How was it? No, I'm. Yes, I did. How was it? I found it actually incredibly depressing. Why? Yeah. It was like. Yeah. Yeah. I found it actually incredibly depressing. Why? It was like. Just all these like really happy families in front of their big houses and it just felt like a kick in the gut to me. Was there, were there a lot of people in? Yes, there was actually, there was way more people than I thought there would be. Good. But yeah, that's, that was my takeaway of it. Yeah. Where did this take place? I missed this completely. Behind AJ Hastings and that little parking lot that hidden secret parking lot. Yep. Right. I guess there's. There's also other business or that gets the big piece of business that wasn't actually on the agenda that should be as a poetic, the grant for poetic dialogue. And what's going on with that? Well, I don't know. I went on the cultural councils website, which is really just, you know, tying into the town website. And then when you click on the application or more information, it takes you to MCC and then the applications through MCC. That sounds right. Yes. Okay. All right. I will work on that. I just wanted to confirm that. That was the, you're taking me to the right place. Yeah. Yeah. It all kind of does that filter through the state site. Application through MCC. Okay. And what's the deadline on that again? The 15th of November, I believe. So. I'll try to, I'll try to see if I can. Write my text in word or something and then share it with you before. Yeah. Do we need to reach out to the person who was going to do the restoration work to make sure that the price that he quoted us. Two years ago. I did. I talked to him. Yeah. And he said that the $800 is still fine if we're going to do. Just like a. Like an in place restoration. And then he said, I'm going to do the painting and that sort of thing, but if we wanted to have it, like, removed and brought to his shop and completely resurfaced, then that would be more. And he's, um, He wasn't solid on a number, but it would be something a little more like 1300. Even that seems very reasonable. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It would last longer. He said the, um, like the sanding in the painting would last, you know, he expects probably about two years and then it would be needed to be done again. Whereas bringing it out and resurfacing it would be like, you know, 10 years. It strikes me as a very low number. Just under $2,000 to remove the entire thing, transport it, refinish it, bring it back, reinstall it. Um, and then he said, you know, you know, you know, I'm not firm on that number. It was just kind of like fly by the seat of his pants. And he never actually sent me an email confirming that. So, um, if. If we are interested in the bigger deal, um, I can go back to him and get him to like, actually send something for real. I was just going to say that. Um, when we've applied for anything, we always go with a higher number and then there is a part on the application. If you don't receive the full amounts, you know, plan a plan B. Um, and, and we'd also talked about possibly. Working with Dickinson museum. So there might be some other. Uh, Support there. Fund or something. I mean, this is something that occurred to me. Yeah. Yeah. So what is the question? Is it about the budget funds that you're using? I mean, If it's about the budget funds that you're using as a advisory body. Are we supposed to be paying an outside contractor who's essentially contracting with the town? I mean, there's, there's like a bidding process usually for these kinds of things. I think I don't know what the legality of any of this is. Um, or whether that's an issue. It strikes me that. This may be more complicated than we think. I mean, it's the thing about the. We would not have to do that. And we would not be able to get funds, but being that we're going to be using a grant, maybe that because of those monies being different. It would be. Like a different. Process. You know what I mean? I think I better reach out to Paul though and just double check. Okay. But it seems to me like we'd certainly like to choose the. Better option. More long lasting option. years. Yeah. You know, we want a more permanent fix. Ellen, as somebody who deals with sculpture more commonly and outdoor pieces that you have a few. Yeah. I mean, that does seem like a very low number if Mal's bringing it to his shop. But I don't know again, do you know where his shop is? Is it in Ludlow? Okay, it used to be in Holyoke, but now it's in Ludlow. Okay, so it's a bit of a haul. I think we would want to get something either an email or writing. I don't know if MCC is going to ask to see the quote, if that's part of the application or not. But I think I'd be more comfortable with the actual real, you know, written down quote myself. Yeah, being that he was, you know, just kind of on the fly with the higher number. Yeah, I can't remember. There is a section where you could include other information. So what you're referring to, Ellen, with you know, maybe needing a copy of a quote or something. I don't know if that would qualify and fit under that section. But there is often, you know, additional documentation that can be included in the application depending on what you're applying for. And I mean, the person who's we've asked to do this, should we be getting more than one quote? I mean, I don't know if this person is what the qualifications are. I really wasn't in on that process. You've seen his artwork. He did like the sign for the high horse and he did the Viking ship inside the high horse and and other stuff around town. He's been around a while doing doing his thing. Similar kinds of cut cut metal, big plates of cut metal. So it's yeah. Yeah. I mean, what do you all think? I'm not quite sure how I mean, like, so if I was doing a project like this, you know, I would typically, I mean, obviously, we don't have much time, but you know, when I've gotten multiple quotes, I don't know how, how, where do we want to go with this? How far do we want to or need to maybe I mean, maybe that manager is a good we should just bounce off of him and see. I think we should just do a two pronged approach where maybe Billy, you go to the town manager and ask if if we're if we receive grant money, whether we can just select our own restore or if it has to go through the typical town process. But again, as Shoshana mentioned, maybe because it's grant funds and not town money, we may be able to just do that. And then the other approach is to talk, get more detail from Kamal. Okay, sounds good. And Shoshana, do you want to do that or you want me to reach out? I can talk to Kamal. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, if you want to know more about him on the Amherst Arts Night Plus YouTube page, there's a video of his showcasing his work and his, his artistic background. What's his last name? Peters. Yeah, it's actually spelt like Camille Peters. Yeah, okay. But he pronounces it Kamal. Got it. Cool. All right. Okay, so no problem. I will definitely send an email to Paul. That doesn't get a response. I'll try to schedule a meeting with him. It might be worth, because we still have this issue, the bolt would might be worth talking to him about that. I haven't heard anything. So yeah, maybe it's better if I just schedule a phone meeting with him as soon as I can get one. Okay. Okay. Anything else? I had a question. I was just wondering, Bill, if you'd heard anything about the Rise mural project, did anything come of that? Sorry. Yes, they selected a winner. Did you, did you guys see any of the entries? The, no. Mom, maybe I can pull it up and show you. Let me see. Give me a second. Where would it be? Where would it be? Let me search on my computer. Rise folder. Art of submissions. Yeah. Okay. You want me to share it? I think I can bring this up. All right. Let's see. Share screen. And then I want to share. Rise art of submissions. All right. Are you guys seeing that this? I'm flipping through the first two pages. Apex. Yes. Okay. Okay. I'm going to jump to the. Sorry, I'll probably make you guys dizzy. Let me also make this full screen. I'll flip through fairly quickly until we get to the actual submissions. The retail art programming. All right. Call it that. All right. So here's. This is the artist Apex. This was his proposal. Some of the, some of the artists submitted more than one proposal. This is his second proposal. He had two concepts. They're doing the whole building. All building. This is the next artist. I'll tell you what my favorite was. And I'll tell you who won. My favorite did not win. My second choice did. Did win though. I think I might have had him as my third choice. But I didn't love proposal. It reminds me of like 70s. Yeah. Wow. He would really do like. Photo realistic stuff. Yeah. Maybe, maybe, maybe I shouldn't be revealing who I voted for on this public forum. I'll just tell you who won. No, I don't mind telling you what my pick was. I don't think that's a matter of privacy. This is his second. So they really did get some big. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe bugs. So this was the winner. So it's all local animals. Giant size. A big turkey. And giant chickadees. For starters, this is great. I like the chickadees. You know, it is our neighbor. Yes. I do love birds. Yes. I don't know about the turkey though. I like the other ones. So she was my first choice and she was the only woman in the pool. Yeah. So I was disappointed that she didn't get picked. But I think, I think she's, she's sort of miles ahead of the rest. She actually picked all, what to do all local. Local. Peeps, including. Actually. Yeah. I don't know if you could have gotten permission for that. Look at that. Okay. Yeah, I really liked hers. I was disappointed. Emily. Emily in a bottle. Oh, fun. Yeah. These are not, I kind of like these as well for abstracts. I might abstract floral. Borns. Very. Real nature. The colors. It doesn't pop like the other ones. Yeah. It's a little more subdued. Blends. Were any of the artists. New England based artists. No. I don't think so. What was the name of the winner? Oh, It's going to make me go back. Oh no. I was going to put it in the minutes, but. Oh, look, it's a. So his, his. It's Zeos or Z O Z A E O S. I don't know if they give his any other name for him. That's just his. It's not a plume. Yeah, I can see why they picked the one that that one, because it's like, you know, when you're dealing with that kind of commerce, you don't want to be like a little too wild looking, you know. Well, there was a lot of. I wouldn't say complaints, but there was anyway, there's a number in North Amherst, where I live, there's a number of loud voices. We're saying, you know, make sure this is appropriate. And so I think they went with a safer choice. Maybe one of the safer choices. But it's not, there's something to it. I mean, I think it's, I think it's going to look great. Yeah, yeah. It'll be exciting just to have something that, that big in the area. Yeah. So they had reached out to me saying they want to help with, help with PR or just getting a little community on board a little bit more than they do have a community outreach person who's been running a lot of this guy Ben. Who actually did grow up around here. So he's, he's the one who's been kind of cord was coordinating the jury. So I don't know if they'll actually call us for anything, but I'm happy to help however. I can see how, how far we can. When, when were they, what's the target for having the painting? Not clear to me, not clear to me if they're trying to do it now or, or if they're going to wait until the spring. I would, I would hope they would wait until the spring, but I'm not sure. Cool. Okay. I have to admit when I heard about the mural, it like brought back this memory of that I had of going to the Netherlands to a coffee shop. And there was this giant. Mural done by Boris Vallejo of like this woman riding a panther. So this is a little more subdued, but. It fits. Yeah. So anything else. Scheduling our next meeting. I guess that's what we're doing then. Get my calendar up. So we're at the 26th today. Three weeks out would be the 16th four weeks out would be the 23rd. I'll say the week before Thanksgiving or the week of Thanksgiving. Yes. So the week of Thanksgiving. I may well be out of town or we could do it. 30th week. Yeah. So probably the 23rd is not. A good day. Yeah. I would say the 16th or the 30th to like, I agree with you. Okay. The other opinions. The 30th is St Andrew's day. A Scottish holiday. And there's a full moon. I have the cultural council grant due on Monday, the November 16th date. I mean, that might be an opportunity. It depends if it's a midnight. Deadline, we could discuss it in the meeting on the 16th. That might be good. Yeah. Anything to discuss, but I need that. I mean, we can put it up for the 16th and I need to confirm that. Okay. Okay. So Monday. All right. So a matching items. I will. I think I'll set up a phone meeting with Paul. As soon as I can get one. And if I can't get one soon, then. Send an email. And show. You'll reach out to come on. Yeah. You'll get started on writing up something. Amy, you're always busy with a million things for us. I will follow up. With the email from the UMass person. Opening on a commission. Yes. Great. Yeah. And me and our one will work on those videos. Great. And I'll send you photos. Make sure we'll make sure Jim sent me the photos, but we'll make sure it gets them to you guys or I'll forward it to you. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. For short, efficient, sweet meeting. All right. Thank you. Bye.