 Like to call to order this is the 25th regular meeting of the 2009 2010 Common Council also known as the first the last meeting 2009-2010 Common Council as is customary our city clerk Sue Richards will read the quote of the evening Thank You mayor Each time someone stands up for an ideal or acts to improve a lot of others or strikes out against injustice He sends forth a tiny ripple of hope Thank You sue roll call, please born excused bauke excused Bowers Decker Gisha Hanna Heidemann Koth excused Kittleson Coyounis Montemayor Rinflaish excused Siric excused Vanderwheel Voo and Wongamon eleven present. We have a quarrel Now if Alderperson Kittleson will please lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. I Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Thank You Jean We have a motion to approve the minutes of the prior Common Council meeting We have a motion the second under discussion if there is no discussion all in favor say Opposed motion carries Public forum Okay, first this evening. We have Dulcy Johnson. Dulcy if you could come up to the mic, please And Dulcy may I have your home address? Is this on yes, and you will have five minutes. Thank you Mayor I am city clerk Richards city attorney McLean members of the council and citizens My reason for speaking tonight is a story in the Sheboygan press on Wednesday, March 17th, which reads Fire Chief Herman said that about 12 city jobs are funded by ambulance revenues. I call that a taxpayers dream The marginal profit for the ambulance service for 2008 was 406,188 dollars Those revenues can only be spent once and 406,188 dollars divided by 12 is 33,849 dollars. How many city of Sheboygan employees earn only 33,849 dollars in salaries and benefits The marginal profit for the ambulance service for 2009 was 280,000 dollars again those revenues can only be spent once and 280,000 dollars divided by 12 is 23,333 dollars. How many city employees earn only 23,333 dollars in salaries and benefits That would be a taxpayers dream Now if you add the two years of marginal profit together, you could fund 12 employees at 57,181 dollars, but costs and revenues are accounted for on a calendar year basis Revenues can only be spent once and city employees are paid every two weeks not every two years Chief Herman also said there's going to be a big hole in the general fund if they decide to shut the ambulance service down If the council had approved lifting the hiring freeze and hiring three firefighter paramedics to be able to continue the ambulance service Which was chief Herman's request and the 180,000 dollars in salaries and benefits of those three hires We're charged to the ambulance service as the finance director said they would be a marginal profit of 280,000 dollars would be reduced to a hundred thousand dollars, which would not fund 12 city jobs Further I have learned that the fireman's union has negotiated a four percent salary increase For 2011 and a two percent premium for firefighter paramedics for a total increase of six percent Which will further reduce the marginal profit It is a given that the firemen and the paramedics don't have enough to do The matter of their the nature of their work is waiting for a fire or ambulance call And every time the department hires another firefighter or paramedic or firefighter paramedic They hire one more person with not enough to do The fire department's primary responsibility is fighting fires and should be the primary focus of the personnel in the department The department must have adequate staff to provide fire protection, but it is not necessary to provide ambulance services There was no need for the department to assume this service The council was right to deny chief Herman's request to lift the hiring freeze and not hire three more personnel for the ambulance service If the department cannot staff the fire stations and ambulances within their allotted budget They need to reconsider the ambulance service to avoid large overtime expenses As I understand it overtime costs have become an issue because it is necessary to call in firefighters at times To adequately staff the ambulance service It makes no sense to say that the ambulance service is making a marginal profit of $280,000 If it means expending large amounts from the department's budget for overtime for firefighters Further the cost of each hire to the taxpayer does not stop when they retire Taxpayers are required to support Retirement pay for 20 to 30 years for employees who do not have enough to do while employed Taxpayers pay 100% of a city employees retirement. There is no employee contribution Chief Herman now realizes that he needs to take one ambulance out of service Pertonites agenda chief Herman's request is being referred to the Public Protection and Safety Committee of the new council Which will mean that the council will probably not be voting on it until mid-May Vacations will have begun by then resulting in the overtime costs, which chief Herman was trying to avoid Who's the council to ensure that the fire department can adequately respond to fire calls? It also behooves the council to provide this protection as efficiently as possible To do this without incurring excessive overtime costs It will be necessary to re-evaluate evaluate the ambulance service and the manpower required to operate this service I look forward to hearing the five scenarios that the finance director is preparing Thank you. Thank you. Delcy Next on the list will be James Rinal James if you could come up to the front, please Jim you may want to pull the microphone down just a little bit so that everybody can hear you Implying that I'm short. No, not at all Not at all I need your home address home address is 512 Southwater. My name is Jim Rinal and I've been living there since 83. Well, that doesn't have much to do with this but what I'm here for is That sweeper that comes through our streets He's got brushes on there and he's always in the middle of the street He can't get to the side because there's cars parked there Now This year I noticed both sides of the streets still had leaves in from fall I don't know why I figured that the only way a person could get by with getting these cars moved where I live There's what have I got the list here? We've got Residences, let's see we've got 17 residences and from Water Street, that's which it's just three blocks long and there's only Eight driveways and there's approximately let's see I figured there's 29 families that live there and We've got a problem with parking all the time. So what I suggest is why doesn't that we have for one week? Everybody flip-flops like they do in winter they park on one side and then the other side One day on one side one on the other side I don't like this parking in winter neither does everybody else, but it works real good ever since they had that our snow plowing has been excellent So this is what I that's what I came up here for I tried to I call one all Times never even called me back I find a goal it got hold of mr. View and he came over to the house. So I want to give him credit for that I've been trying to get this done for a while Now the other thing is in regard to the flip-flop parking if they could Stop the flip-flop parking when daylight saving time comes like in the middle of March that would be I think that'd be a lot better for we gained two weeks and we'll take it They did it once year in two in 2008. They did cut it out on daylight saving times instead of April 1st daylight saving time comes about the middle of August and We'd appreciate if they look at that. I didn't think I had to come up here and speak about all this I thought I could talk to my owner man, but That's why I'm here just to see if we can get something done about that Let's see what else is I guess I got everything here. Okay. That's about it. Thank you Jim. Thank you Jim, and we will have Your matter referred to the public works committee We discussed in the new new public works committee Okay, that's all for public work. That's it Okay, next we have the the mayor's announcements, which is always my favorite part of the day Thanks to all their person Jean Clayunas who's a good Catholic on our council We are now going to know this as the mayor's time to pontificate So, thank you, Jean You can say whatever he wants and I can't get in any problem for it. I thank you for that Anyway, that was just a joke and I thank you for that last week Mayor's announcements all of the alderman have on your desk all returning alderman what I commonly refer to as the wish list this has To list in your order of preference standing committees that you would like to be assigned to this will also go out to the alderman elect and also all of the other committees that require Alderman on them and if you can Please let me know your preferences. I can't promise everybody everything obviously But I would like to know what committees people would like to serve on same thing that I did last year So try to try to keep keep everybody as happy as we possibly government such as ours another thing I'd like to talk about which I Think Dulce Johnson for speaking on the fire department and one of their primary's duties of spying Is fire protection and fire suppression? That's what they do I Know that on the council and this is my time to pontificate so I can say this On our council, we've had some questions about dies our fire department over staffed And do we have too many fire houses? Do we have too many firemen? I knew there's been some comparisons to West Bend and that West Bend covers 40 square miles And we have half the firemen that we do and they use a Partial part partial full-time and partial part time fire department or something of the sort well, it just so happens that Last week There was a fire in West Bend and a fire in Sheboygan these fires started in an apartment in a building That was the exact same footprint It was the exact same building in West Bend is Sheboygan The particular building in Sheboygan up on Calumet Drive The assessed value on this property is $724,000 that's the property tax assessed value The fire department arrived the fire started approximately the same time of the day during the day Fire department arrived got fire under control The major damage was the unit that the fire started in the apartment unit that the fire started in there's 24 units in these both of these buildings in West Bend The fire started also on the same floor in the same building exact same style that building burnt to the ground so That's when we have to look at what does the fire department do the building in Sheboygan the Estimate within two to three months. It will be free of smoke and every all the residents will be able to move back in it We'll stay on the tax rolls be building in West Bend is a total loss So that's what we have to look at and that is my pontification for the day. I thank you All the remittances now is not the time to kind of Okay moving on hearings Four hearings These are hearings for the proposed assessments for the calendar year 2009 against all benefited property in parking parking assessment district one Second hearing in parking assessment district two third hearing in parking assessment district four and The fourth hearing in parking assessment district five Would anybody wish to be heard regarding these hearings? Mr. Wachowski, can you step up, please? Mr. Wachowski. Can you give me your home address, please Edward Kalski? 2632 North 8th Street. Okay I'm sure none of you are surprised on the council that I'm here tonight to speak But I was very surprised very surprised at the quote this evening Because I feel like that's someone and I certainly feel like he as part of your quote The special assessment for the parking Authority is allowed by law But it is assumed in that law that the expenses for the parking authority and the revenues are reviewed by the transit and parking commission to ensure that any assessment that is placed on any business is proper and true and Above all needed You already have my two documents questioning whether or not the transit commission and parking commission is following the law to give a blank check to the transit and And commit and parking commission to assess any properties Without knowing Whether or not the assessment is needed The amount of money that is going to be assessed to these properties are appropriate what the expenses are regarding the parking Assessment districts is Also very important You would think and assume that each one of those questions would be answered to The parking and transit utility prior to the time it comes to you if you review The agendas and the minutes of the parking and transit authority You will note that this item this year did not appear It has not been approved or reviewed By the parking and transit commission. I Asked you not to approve this assessment To refer it back to the parking and transit commission and report back to review First of all, is it really needed or necessary and to report back to you some facts and figures regarding Their request to you to approve this assessment on the businesses within these parking districts You want to improve and bring businesses into the community? yet You're not you're going to assess these properties, which may or may not be appropriate and you already have my booklets Okay on the other items. I'm asking that you do not approve this tonight, but you refer it back Because it has not been reviewed and has not been properly approved by the parking and transit authority I'd thank you very much for listening to me And I'm sorry that I have to be here tonight to even testify to this because of a lot of other things I'd rather be doing but again I feel like that's someone and I certainly am that he thank you very much Just looking at yeah the ordinance section on the Parking assessment district number one and The others are pretty similar the The role of the parking and transit utility is As I see it in the ordinances is to determine whether any benefited property Located within the parking assessment district is entitled to reduction of assessment on the basis of They're being They're not needing the parking or they're having their own private parking spaces. That's the only role of the parking and transit utility that I see in here All the special assessments are levied by the council the Parking utility does super intend the the parking lots and Keeps the parking facilities in repair but as far as The authority to assess that's the council the council makes the determination as to the assessments And I guess You know all I'm saying that the parking and transit's role is just to determine whether Any property within the district is entitled to a reduction on the basis that there are Private parking spaces within the parking assessment district that entitle that Property to a reduction The the methodology of establishing the assessments is set forth in the ordinances and it's It's pretty clear it's based on generally square footage Calculated on a prorate of basis and you take Finance department takes the costs all the costs in the assessment district and and allocates them As far as what the council wants to do with it if you want to refer it to parking and transit before it back to them I think you could Not sure exactly what's to be gained but I don't see any impediment Thank You attorney Thank You mayor May ask a term of claim a question so so historically what we're doing tonight is the way we've done in the past the authority to assess is the council's authority the Development of what the assessment costs are is done by the finance department and brought forward to the Council has it ever been run through transit? That I can't answer that. I don't know as a prior whether They've been referred to transit. I'm not aware that they have maybe Maybe Terry Hansen would know I'm not sure. I don't know if any of the aldermen have been on transit What could speak to that? Thank you Thank You your honor. I don't Understand mr. Wachowski's questioning of it, but it I don't believe it's ever been through transit in my time on the transit Commission, I think I've been on there three years. I think but it feels like it does feel like a lifetime actually a older person Heidemann has been attending it for me, but And it was like a little gift to him, but the Which you appreciate but it's my understanding attorney McLean that even if we referred it back They have no authority to act on it or do anything about it. Anyway, we would get the exact same document back Yeah, the only thing that they could look at is whether or not individuals within the parking assessment district Have their own private parking spaces that entitle them to a reduction of the assessment But these documents in this here these hearings tonight don't relate to that at all It just is just setting the normal calculation for assessment. That's my understanding. Okay. Thank you Second time yeah, I'll this is I'll stop this is just one one question and that's I Mean the public hearing is the time which I would think People would come forward and set and and seek a reduction And and this is exactly what we're holding is a public hearing So we have that information to act and if somebody comes forward we refer it back to Transit so that they can make that adjustment Thank you all in a hand. I believe that director of development Pauline enters has a word to say Thank you. Maybe I can just clarify what the internal process is I know that the deputy director of finance and treasure Does work on those assessment amounts based on these formula that set it that's Defined in each one of the districts and then in our office She works with Ron French Who then verifies some of the uses in the district? To make those calculations and then there have been some issues with Individuals that say well, I have my own parking and they may be received An assessment in the past and those issues are clarified as they arise And so I think you're correct that if you know and if there are any issues they typically do bring them forward Even before the public hearing Thank you, Paul it Alderman Bowers Thank You Mara The only question I have it says the proposed assessments for the calendar year 2009. This is 2010 So is this a carryover from last year for the assessments for this year? Yeah, it's it's it's it's building a rears. Oh Oh, I see so we will be building it for 2009 now. Yeah, correct. I said, okay Attorney McLean, you know the the biggest bulk of those assessments is the maintenance and typically My recollection over the years has been where you get People that are benefited in the parking assessment districts having questions is one that's a bad snow year And there was a lot of plowing and that raises the costs in the assessment districts pretty substantially And I don't think this winter was that bad. So I don't know what the numbers are Shouldn't speak to that but That's a big driver of what the assessments are it's based on snow plowing Thank You attorney McLean Older person Kiddlesen, thank you mayor Thank you as a member of the transit commission as well just to reiterate here that it is Published in the newspaper that these hearings will be held and personal notices are sent to each of those businesses So if they did have an issue that that they would be sure to be here this evening So everything I think they've been communicated to so they do know these hearings are being held So I just wanted to make that clear too. Thank you. Thank you all the person kids Okay, our board is not lit up. Is there anybody else that would be like that would like to be heard in this public hearing? sir Mike Ryan bold from Novak Ram Ziegler funeral home located at 1535 South 12th Street Which funeral home? I'm sorry Novak. Oh, no, okay, and you're libeled is it Rhyne Bowl or Rhyne Bowl? It's R E I N B O LD. Okay. Go ahead. I Guess my only concern was as you talked about it's for the maintenance and operation totally understand that We're a bit we're a bit a business that truly does benefit from those parking areas I guess my only concern is that I don't know how it's contracted out As far as applying maintenance goals. I just want to make sure that that's done in the most Efficient and effective way anyway to keep those costs down as much as possible But there's no doubt that I can say our benefit of those parking lots is wonderful But I just want to make sure that that's taken into consideration. Thank you. Thank you, sir Is there anybody else that would like to be heard? Second time. Is there anybody else that would like to be heard regarding this issue? And for the third time, is there anyone who wishes to be heard? President Kisha, I move that the hearings be closed. We have a motion and a second to close the hearings Any discussion if there is none all in favor say aye Opposed the hearings are closed. I thank everybody On to the consent agenda regarding 25 1 through 25 36 President Kisha Thank you, your honor. I move to accept and file all reports of officers accept and adopt all reports of committees and pass all Resolutions and ordinances We have a motion in a second under discussion all the person clientess Thank you, your honor. I just have a question about 25 34 which is From public works recommending filing resolution empowering its citizens property owners with the ability Responsibility of trimming trees and a city own trimming of city-owned trees So we're not going to All the person titles confused on it a little bit. Thank you. Thank you. Yes We did we did recommend that this resolution be pay it was we do have the ordinance in place We approved it our public works committee did But director Bittner will be putting a guideline together so that citizens will have Instruction as to how to go about so that when they do inquire about it. There will be a guideline so that they will have You know knowledge of how they can go about trimming the trees They will be informed by public works director Bittner is coming forward with that information So everybody doesn't trim all the branches to save the leaf raking exactly exactly so that is that is coming some instruction Thank you Sue just a question Yes This document if passed files the resolution That's what this document right and that's what filing is not passing the resolution Well, we don't need oh, that's what you want to do that right? We have that in place already very good, right? It's just a matter of educating of tweaking that and bringing out the The guidelines so that yes, thank you all the person kittleson next we have That is Alderman Hanna has been on our books since 1968 That the citizens have the right to trim their trees all they have to do is show up at the public works office Signed some paperwork and then allowed to trim their own trees We would like to give them some guidance so there's some uniformity in the trimming But we've had this on our books in 68. I Had a slow day It's very good and I won't remind everybody we have a hundred items on the docket this evening and the election's over. Yeah Attending the plane just to amplify what Alderman Hanna saying there's a permit process that is in the ordinance And a private citizen can get a permit and the reason for the permit is so that private citizen just doesn't go trim the tree in Whatever style of decoration that they might might wish and and what Alderman kittleson was talking about is that the The director is working on Some guidelines for citizens when they apply for the permits, but I think there had been some Misunderstanding I think at public works department about citizens ability to trim the trees Okay, thank you attorney McLean Any further discussion? If there is none The consent agenda 25 1 through 25 30. We have a roll call, please powers Decker Gisha Hanna Heidemann Kittleson Clowness Montemay or Vanderweal Voo and wongamon 11 eyes motion carries Communications and petitions 25 37 through 25 40 to be referred Reports of officers to 2541 to be referred to finance that is not Marked on here right now for but you can make that note 25 41 will be referred to finance 25 glasses turn We're gonna what we're gonna do is we're gonna do 25 42 25 43 and then if you could pull forward 25 65 and 25 71 it's all one topic Okay, there's conflicting recommendations Can we have a motion somebody to pull 25 65 and 71 forward? Motion in a second I'm pulling 25 72 Terry's got his hand up Terry would you like to speak? Come on up Sorry director of finance Terry Hanson I believe that was Terry says something Okay on items 41 and then the other item that is in regards to the capital improvement program That needs to be referred to finance and to planning per our ordinance So we need a dual referral finance and city planning on 25 41 and then then there's another one with a resolution on it later on I don't know that number Okay, thanks Terry. So that will be 25 41 will go to finance and city planning Okay, no what the other one is yet. I'll get to it. Yeah, we'll find it. Yeah, the numbers are 25 42 and 25 43 that we're gonna be doing and 65 and 71 65 and 71 65 Okay, 25 65 is by elder person Kenelson authorizing the person seeking agent to enter into contract for the purchase of energy Efficiently That's why I read it. Yeah, that's not it. I Have 25 72 listed on mine Committee of the whole yeah, that's the one Okay, 25 72 we're looking to pull forward which would be my committee of the whole recommending referral of communication number 81-09-10 from Edward Wachowski regarding changes in the municipal code entitled Composition appointment terms transit commission and general ordinance number 55-09-10 repealing and recreating a section in the code relating to fiscal control of transit commission Expenditures so as to conform with current practice that is 25 72. Is there any others? Let's see here. We've got two from transit and we should have two from committee of the whole Okay, we have 25 72 Small glitch in the system here today folks. They are 72 and yes, they're on the same one You got two documents on one. Oh, okay, so 40 42 43 and 72 right so we need a motion to pull 25 72 right forward In a second all in favor of pulling it forward say aye opposed, okay, so we are not taking 25 72 which I've read we have 25 42 by the transit commission recommending filing document Submitting a communication from Edward Wachowski regarding changes that he would like to see in section 2-558 of the municipal Entitled composition appointment terms transit commission and 25 43 By the transit commission recommending repealing and recreating section 2-563 of the municipal code relating to fiscal control of Transit commission expenditures so as to conform with the current practices Okay, do we have? Who would transit commission? Vice president Heidemann have at it. I make a motion that Thank you, mayor. I make a motion at 25 42 25 43 along with 25 72 all be referred to the committee new committee of the whole We have a motion to refer all to the new committee of the whole under discussion if there is none roll call We don't have to we can try let's all in favor say aye aye opposed Okay, roll call, please all right bulk. I'm sorry. Do you know we're voting on okay? We're we're voting on referring the all three documents to the committee the whole of the new council The all the trans the ones that transit did and the one the committee the whole did Make sense There let me let me get you some sound here jean We discussed 25 72 a committee of the whole and then we would be sending this 2542 and 2543 back to committee of the whole because we don't We're gonna discuss the same thing again, or are we saying that this is a fuller Discussion by sending these back. I don't understand. It's a conflicting. It's a conflicting recommendations So you've got a referral and you've got a passing. Okay, you've got to decide which one You do so we're cleaning house and just trying to well all the other and one well you've got to decide which Yeah, okay, and look on the bright side jean. It's the new committee of the whole Okay under further discussion all their person kiddlesen thank you mayor I guess I attorney McLean I'd like you to could you just on that second one there with the municipal code relating to fiscal control of the transit Commission expenditures so as to conform with current practice I mean I thought didn't we did that correct. Correct. Didn't you come forward with some With an art didn't we come forward to changing or doing something that would make the practice that we are Allowing right now conforms to the ordinance Okay, and are we anything that is out of The ordinary or that we shouldn't be doing or what we're doing illegal or anything like that I guess that's the question. I need to know the answer I mean What are we doing? General ordinance 5509 10 was requested in order to Conform our ordinance to what the current practice is correct, and are we doing that now we are doing that? We've conformed to what the what our ordinance is. We're not currently conforming to the letter of the ordinance That's that's why the request was to amend the ordinance to reflect the current practices, okay? And so we are doing that though now No, we're not okay. You'll be doing that if you adopt if we adopt number 5509 Thank you Here on and you were about to call roll Referring these to the new committee the whole if I don't recall correctly Do you just do you understand what we're gonna do now? I understand. Thank you, okay? Okay, roll call, please Okay, bulk. I got an I bowers Decker yes, Hanna Heidemann Kittleson Clowness boy Okay, Montemay or Vanderwheel Voo and Wongman 11 eyes one no motion carries 25-44 through 25 58 to be referred resolutions introduced three 2559 by Alderman Gisha approving the terms and conditions of the amendment to the molar building ground lease between the redevelopment authority and molar development company LLC President Gisha Thank You your honor. I moved that the resolution be put upon its passage Excuse me, I also believe we need to do a suspension on this and I would be happy although in the absence of older person Ryan flesh I would still be happy to explain the need for suspension very good We have a motion to suspend do we have a second they have a motion in a second to the suspend Thank You, I apologize for solution passage before suspension the The Muller building lease is going to kind of expand the space of it And they're going to be paying additional rent for that additional space and they're going to be putting in through I think restoration gardens out of Kohler I a complete garden a go-go thing with a lot of flowers a lot of Hanging stuff it should be quite garden-like and that's what the space is going to do and the reason we need to do it is so that They can get it in what is the garden a go-go unless that's incorrect, Paul I'd say perhaps the a go-go was a little much the general idea Visualizing something different It'll be a little further north but the I Don't spend a lot of time in garden stores, but it's going to be like that. Okay. Very good Thank You President Gisha Under discussion Alderman Bowers Thank You madam Here again, I notice that there isn't any address and I think I've addressed this before but if we In the future if we could put addresses on I'd like to know where this place I think it's on Michigan Avenue. Isn't it? No, it's on the South Pier. Oh, it is. Yes. Oh, okay Well, I guess that's why I like addresses President Gisha, please Alderman Bowers the very last page of your document has not only the address the township but the Noting that it's on South Pier, but actually has the exact Coordinates of the property if you wish to maybe Google it in via satellite So it the address is listed in quite detail in the back end. Thank You President Gisha Okay, the motion is on the suspension. Does anybody Disagree with suspending the rules If there are no disagreements the rules are suspended now may we have a Thank you. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage as We have a motion in a second to put the resolution upon its passage under discussion If there is no roll call, please powers Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Clowness Montemay or Vander wheel Voo Wongamon and bulk 12 eyes motion carries 25 dashes 60 by Halter person Clowness declaring May 16 through 22 as Bike and walk to work week in addition to managing the city of Manitowoc to a non-motorized mileage Challenge Alder person Clowness Thank You your honor. I'd like to amend this to put in the correct dates But first I put the resolution upon its passage and then to amend it I need a second on that first okay, if you would just would take a look at your document the dates should be June 5th to June 11th. I was looking at last year's Dates, it's June 5th to June 11th And that would be changing it also on the letter to Mayor Justin Nichols of Manitowoc June 5th to June 11th This is an annual fair in Sheboygan and It's a part of the task force we studied it talked about it and we would like to have this Induced by the council again Thank You Jean We have to remember too that Mayor Nichols up in Manitowoc is maybe with the exception of Alderman Decker is half The age of everybody here in this room, so it's good. It's going to be quite the challenge Okay We have a We have a motion to amend in a second All in favor of amendment say aye. Aye opposed document is amended We we have a motion to put the amended document upon its passage I move that the amended document be put upon its passage Thank you motion in a second on the amendment amended document under discussion If there is no roll call, please Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann Kittlesen Clayunas Montemay or Vanderwheel Voo Wonderman Bulk and Bowers 12 eyes motion carries 25-61 by Alderpersons Gisha Bowers and Kaaf Authorizing retaining outside legal counsel to represent the city in the matter of Ronald Bear Against the city and authorizing payment for said services Alderman Bowers, I move that the resolution be put upon its passage Alderman Bowers, could we have a motion to suspend first? Oh motion to suspend the rules We have a motion in a second to suspend the rule Anybody in opposition to suspending the rules? If there is none rules are suspended You want me to really what this is about this is in regards to the loss who brought by a citizen, I believe it's mr Bear And we and the risk management originally denied it and apparently the attorney is Filed suit against this so we have to hire an attorney to represent city of Sheboygan in this matter Very good. We have a motion to Put the resolution upon its passage Make motion that the resolution be put upon its passage We have a motion in a second put the resolution upon its passage under discussion If there is no roll call, please Gisha Hannah Heidemann Kittlesen Clowness, Montemay or Vanderweel Voo Wongamun Boke Bowers and Decker 12 eyes motion carries 25-62 everybody make a note, please it will be referred to finance and city plan and City planning that was the other one Finance and city planning 25 62 25-63 by all the persons Gisha Heidemann Kittlesen borne and Hannah forming a special Budget subcommittee of the strategic fiscal planning committee to revere review areas of potential savings and efficiencies President kischer Thank You your honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage We have a motion in a second under discussion your honor if I may this is an attempt to to broaden the scope of individuals on the council looking at the budget oftentimes it ends up in a Lot of times finance committee and other committee's hands. So this is I'm grateful to the alderman who have accepted this challenge to get some other eyes and help on the process Very good. Thank you president Gisha all the person clay on us. Thank you your honor. I appreciate this Resolution as well or this action because I think The budget time gets too stressful and too tight and we need to make really well understood and reasoned decisions and not kind of last minute If that's what happens sometimes and so I'm glad this is opening up, and I hope it they'll meet often and early Thank you in the budget process will be starting this year in May So we will we'll be ahead of the curve. Hopefully this year. Thank you all the person clay on us alderman bowers Thank you, ma'am. I see that I'm on this committee with the other members just because we're on this committee Doesn't mean that the other members of the council can't attend and interject new thoughts because we will need Everybody in unison on this for the coming year Thank you all the members, and you are correct as we all know that All alderman are welcome to attend all committee meetings Participation is always welcome. Thank you all the members Any further discussion? If there is an unroll call, please Hanna Hi to him in Kittleson clay Eunice Montemay or Vander wheel boo Wonkerman Bulk Bowers Decker and Gisha 12 eyes motion carries 2564 through 2568 to be referred 2569 by alderman's alderman sirk and vu authorizing entering into a dock space agreement with anglers Avenue LLC Will be heard tonight instead of being referred to the marina and harbour committee alderman vu Thank you, your honor. I'd like to make a motion to suspend the rules We have a motion to suspend the rules in a second under discussion The reason is that the marina and harbour committee has agreed to rent a dock to mr. Russell again and that rental dog will start and May first So then we don't have enough time for the next council meeting very good Do we have any opposition to suspending the rules? if there is none rules are suspended maybe we have a motion to put the Resolution upon its passage I'm off that the resolution be put upon its passage another thing that won't go along with that is the If you you have read the contract of the agreement letter It says that there's no overnight docking Mr. Russell has requested that he will have a small boat docking overnight and The committee has agreed to accept his request a letter will be Type and sent to him to confirm these agreement between the city in him and so this I Don't know if it will be a separate motion or not But this will be a part of the agreement right yeah, mr. Mr. Gehagen does have a Small demo boat that is provided by one of his suppliers that he's going to be docking at this dock Do we have a second on the motion we have a second first? Let's get a second on the resolution be passed Okay, now we need a motion to make an amendment to the no, we're not actually amended you're not a minute No, that is actually going to go as a separate agreement Correct attorney McLean, right? Okay, okay. We have a motion and a second any further discussion If there is none may we have a roll call, please. Thank you Alderman boo. Hi to me Kittleson clay unis munch may or Vander wheel boo Wonderman Boke Bowers Decker Gisha and Hannah 11 eyes one abstention motion carries report of committee six 25 dash 70 to be referred reports of committee seven twenty five seventy one and twenty five Seventy-two to be referred actually twenty five seventy two we pulled forward before right Twenty-five seventy one to be referred in that case reports of committees eight 25 dash seventy three by public works recommending Directing that various committees commissions either be merged eliminated or reassigned at the end of the current council year Which is April of 2010 and passing the attached substitute resolution All to person Kittleson. Thank you mayor. I'd make a motion to put the resolution upon its passage, please Do we have a second? We have a motion in a second under discussion under discussion I hope everyone is read in a public works committee will You will eliminate the building use and add those duties to the public works committee and the motor vehicle review committee Those duties will be added to the public works committee as well under the finance committee We'll eliminate. Oh, I guess public works is all I'm concerned about At least for the next two weeks at least for the next I can continue at finance committee is Eliminating the IS steering committee and we're adding those duties to the finance committee We'll be merging the wellness and group health insurance committee Because there is overlap and I did I thought about that, you know, those are two separate issues but the more I did think about it, I think that is a good idea to to merge those two and You know, it's a it's a good idea to do that And then the shabuigan board of housing appeals and the shabuigan Commission on fair housing practices Because they have over overlap. We will merge those as well right the reason the reason for this is there's a lot of committees that The same document gets referred to both committees and it's basically the same people on both committees on a lot of them So rather than have to try to cut out some of the redundancy of government We're eliminating some of these committees all the person Clioness Thank you, your honor as a friendly amendment Some people I've talked with had some difficulty with building use committee being dissolved and put into public works at this time They can see it in maybe a year from now Because building use would be looking at this building the work that's going to be done in this building and public works as it gets a huge huge agenda sometimes and Building use could it focus on this building until the project is finished the remodeling part I'm just bringing it up as a friendly amendment. I move to then Keep the building use committee in in Function or Open for this next year until the project in the city halls completed And I think the municipal building also is having some work done to keep it open for those two purposes Okay, we have a motion and a second to not Eliminate the building use committee under discussion president Kisha. Thank you as author of this document. I appreciate Alderperson Clioness's input on that we are moving over engineering and Moving the city clerk's office and she's really excited about that and thank you for the thumbs up suit and The rest obviously can happen But if I the amendment would be April of 2011 for that one for building use Is that okay? All right, and just to clarify we do have 58 committees in the city of Sheboygan and This should eliminate a few but we've got to look forward to Redistricting and potentially smaller councils and things so we have to really kind of chip that down This was just kind of the first kick at that cat. Thank you Thank You president Gisha and Sue's right change is good, right? So all right Okay So we have a motion and a second on the amendment only any further discussion All those in favor of amending say aye opposed Document is amended may we have a motion to pass the document as amended Motion in a second to pass the document as amended under discussion Excuse me mayor Jean could I have you make the motion as a substitute resolution not the original resolution? Is that okay? Yeah, absolutely. Okay. Thank you resolution. We put upon its passage as amended as amended Substitute resolution as amended motion and a second under discussion If there is no further discussion roll call, please Kittleson I Clowness Montemay or Vanderweal Voo Wongamon Bulk Bowers Decker Gisha Hannah and Heidemann 12 eyes motion carries 2574 by finance recommending authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2010 budget Establishing appropriations for purchase of land in the industrial park and establishing appropriation for contribution to the Sheboyin County for business development I am passing the attached substitute resolution president Gisha Thank you your honor. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted and the substitute resolution be put upon its passage We have a motion in a second under discussion If there is none roll call, please Clowness Montemay or Vanderweal Voo Wongamon Bulk Bowers Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann and Kittleson 12 eyes motion carries reports of committees 9 5-75 by public protection and safety recommending repealing and recreating article 6 Division 3 of chapter 50 of the municipal code So as to update the smoke detector ordinance and require specific types of smoke alarms and pass the attached substitute of Substitute ordinance May I interrupt certainly, okay We need to have this lie over because I was told by the committee chair that It actually should have come through from the committee as a two-to-two with no recommendation So we'll lie it over to the 19th okay with a new RC saying no recommendation I can see chief Herman is excited about that it will lay over till the 19th. Sorry chief He came loaded tonight, too, so sorry ready to talk. That's what I mean That's what I mean. Sorry about that chief Loaded for bear put it that way. Okay. That's what I meant Yes What happened was I received a note saying to pass this substitute of the substitute ordinance Alderman Hannah said that in the committee meeting They actually voted two-to-two. It was a and there's no wreck They wanted to do no recommendation at all so because they it was a tie vote, you know Well, that's I guess up to we normally don't change our seas, but if you want to I guess If Steve agrees we could do it tonight. I mean, it's basically misinformation It's not just changing the substance of this And it is only eight o'clock And the chief is not Loaded Dulces in the room so please Okay, so do we need a attorney McLean may we get your opinion on that please? I Yeah, I I think It's clear that there was no recommendation from the Public Works Committee You know as it's worded says recommending that the Substitute ordinance be passed that's apparently Just a typo I Think you've got the result the order in front of you. You could certainly act on it tonight Okay, do we have to have a motion to that effect or anything or do we just it's understood that that's A positive recommendation that came forward you can move to file the committee report and pass the Pass the ordinance may we have a motion as such We have a motion and a second to file the committee report Alderman Bowers, did you second that? Yeah, thank you To pass the to file the committee report and pass the resolution Nope pass the substitute of the substitute ordinance the substitute of the substitute ordinances. I was saying yeah, like you said, okay We have a motion in a second to that effect under discussion Under discussion president Kisha. Thank you After going through all that I'm asking that we vote on this. I'm not voting for this I would just like it to clear it out and we've been shoving a lot of stuff Forward and things we should be dealing with I think and I don't I think this is a public education issue a mandate to put Certain types of batteries in my hallway bedroom kitchen bathroom is my business I think the fire department has a great job in education. I think nationally. There's a great deal of education that goes out there Goes into our schools I'm happy with making my own decision on types of batteries I put an electronic device in my home and where I put them and For that I ask that that the council consider Members consider voting against this And I think there's been a lot of data at the ppns committee regarding Really what does this do and not do from a safety standpoint? I think that's mine and my family's decision Thank You president kisha next all the person that's mayor Thank You mr. Mayor. I remember sitting in on the meeting even though I'm not a member of the committee and it seems to me the Consensus of the committee was we cannot decide so please let the council decide so I think it's good that we're taking this action tonight And I will support it. I Don't make it sure I agree with you on many things But I do think this falls in the same category as wearing a seat belt and a hundred years ago not spitting on the sidewalk It was for public health and I do think My brother-in-law would not be wearing a seat belt except that it's a law and I think this may be the case of people Doing the safe thing Because it's a law. Thank you, and I think it's still illegal to spit on sidewalks Because of tuberculosis that was the reason Thank you all the person on to mayor Alderman Hannah. Oh, thank you As I walked around talking to people this was a hot topic. They thought Again, they feel education is great But they think this is an expensive mandate requiring the new smoke detectors in every bedroom, so I'm not gonna support Thank You Alderman Hannah Next we have Alderman Bowers Thank you, ma'am I'm on this committee and of course there's been a great divide on this What we're entrusted to do is for the benefit of the community now If you take people that are interested in city government, there aren't very many tested by yesterday's vote What we have ten twelve percent fifteen percent fourteen point seven percent. All right. It was pretty sad Every one that I talked to says I changed my batteries. I'm not worried about those people I'm worried about the ones that don't and if we pass this law It's going to be a ten-year battery and we won't have to worry about it because you take people that don't care When the Christmas comes up and they have toys they take it right out of there and they never put them back So I'm in favor of this and I would like to see it pass Thank You Alderman Bowers Next Alderman Vue Thank You your honor. I just have a question for the installation requirements letter a number two a Smoke alarm powered by another place about not removal battery capable of powering the smoke alarm for a minimum of ten years What kind of battery that will last ten years Actually, this is a new type of smoke detector. I believe it's a whole new unit that would be purchased With a what is it a lithium battery? Yeah, it's a lithium battery as opposed to your regular 9 volt transistor type batteries these days lithium batteries When I last ten years the last two or three years Would anybody like to Comment on the new type of smoke detector with the ten-year battery He's in the house Alderman Bowers I just purchased two couple of weeks ago there were $15 and In the instructions that indicates that the battery will last ten ten years, and I believe they say it's a lithium battery and There are some you could put in that you cannot get out the ones I bought you cannot get them out if you put in a certain screw So either way, it's a ten-year battery So the company sells them as ten-year batteries. I imagine they would have to last ten years That answers your question Alderman. Yes. Thank you Okay, thank you Alderman Bowers. Next we have Alderman Wagerman Thank you Mr. Mayor I'd have to go along with what my constituents tell me and I've gotten more phone calls on this than almost anything I can remember in the last five years or more. I mean people are against it They feel it's a nibbling away at their private rights in their homes and they're very much against it and They feel that it's just not necessary at this time and I'm not for it either in fact I don't even know if I'm gonna live ten years Thank you elder statesman Next we have Alderman Bulk. Thank you, Mr. Mayor If I could ask the chairperson was there what was the dialogue around even enforceability of this other than if Inspectors are coming in at a time of new construction or perhaps of a new landlord, but how could we even enforce this? Would you like to answer that? There is no means of enforcement except after the fact Okay, that they've gone into a fire right right they haven't been there and then there's a fine There is there will be no lithium battery police running around the city Okay, as much as you may want because well, no because I think I think all of all the person's longamance constituents called my constituents and had them call me too because they don't think it's a very good idea because they're concerned about the lithium Police and my you know and when I my dog boops on my neighbor's yard, so he calls and reports me as having ineffective You know smoke alarms and to send the police to check it out So there are all kinds of crazy ideas about enforceability. It's unenforceable. My constituents don't want so I'm gonna vote against it too Thank you chief herman. Would you like to comment on this? Yeah, he does He's come loaded for bear. Yeah Thank you your honor, I know this is a very hot topic It's been discussed I think on the council floor once before I believe in committee twice This is not a problem. That's unique to the city of Sheboygan the problem with nine-volt smoke detectors It's dated technology Cities around the state around the country are facing this problem. What is unique to Sheboygan is we're being proactive We will be if you would pass this would be the second city in the state to pass an ordinance similar to this There are cities around the country that have gone way beyond this I believe Pontiac, Michigan was the most recent one that passed an ordinance saying that every smoke detector Needed to be hardwired within a year Now that would be Excuse me the best system that we could have that's currently what the new building code is from 1995 on That in my mind is unreasonable That would mean that every house in the city of Sheboygan that was built prior to 1995 would need to be hardwired Which is 99% of them correct and that's not reasonable in my mind What we have presented I believe is reasonable the stronger the ordinance that you Put on the books the better chance that we have of saving lives I believe that we put forth the most reasonable cost effective ordinance that we could we've given five years For the people to comply with it There is no means for enforcement there currently is not now We are not able to get into single and two family homes to enforce the ordinance The only time that we get in there is when they have a fire or some type of other occurrence in their home And we get in and do an inspection we do not cite people we assist them in bringing their property up to code whether we Spell out the means that they need to do it and and show them where they need to place their smoke detectors in some instances If they're not financially able to do it. We will put Detectors in for them. We have programs where we have Donations given to the department and we have detectors on hand and we put them in for the people We plan on expanding that program if this is passed. I Know that one of the the problems that people have with the new ordinance is Requiring smoke detectors to be put in each bedroom That was written in there to mirror the new building code. That is the same as what is in the building code now When we are in school programs teaching the children now we teach them that to sleep with the doors closed if you would walk through that apartment building on 25th and Calumet Drive and look at the apartments where the doors were closed Versus the apartments where the doors were open You'll see the difference in the damage that are in those apartments That's the reason that we teach people to sleep with their bedroom doors closed to protect themselves to separate themselves from a fire That's one of the reasons that it's important to have a smoke detector inside the bedroom because we're asking you to sleep with the bedroom door closed You've separated yourself. Any other reason is the second most common place for a fire to occur in the home is in the bedroom So be a candle smoking Auxiliary heating equipment whatever that is the second leading cause of fires in the bedroom. So that's the other reason That it is important That smoke detectors are placed in bedrooms. So I would encourage you To pass the ordinance as it's written as I said before the stronger the ordinance the better chance we have to save lives Thank You chief wall spoke of Alderman Bowers Thank You chief if you could tell us on the The building and 20 is that 29th Street or 25th 25th How many of those apartments did have smoke alarms that were operable? You'd have any idea I couldn't tell you that's a little bit of a different system because it is a an apartment building that has more than two Apartments they are required to have an interconnected hardwired system. Oh, but inside the apartments Those if this ordinance would be passed those detectors would then have to be Ten-year lithium detectors inside the apartments. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Alderman Bowers Alderman boom I have a question probably this question for chief Herman I just like to know if most fires as you probably know that because of because they were lack of enough smoke detectors the home are were there because they did not have batteries and for the reason for the other fires Well, the reason for the fire doesn't have anything to do with the smoke detector, but the problems that we're seeing with the 9-volt detectors It's kind of half and half the a lot of them are 20 to 25 years old And they're just not working anymore But the majority of them are people are taking the batteries out for whatever reason And not putting them back in and one of the the features of the 10-year lithium batteries Are that they have a silence button on them? So if you do burn a pizza or you burn toast in your house You push the silence button and it silences the alarm for 15 minutes, and then it's active again Versus backing out that battery and forgetting about it Or as one of the alderman said taking it out to put it in a toy because the battery is dead That does not happen with these lithium detectors which Should solve a lot of our problems I think you're all to move President kisha Not for you chief. Sorry. I knew you'd be looking forward to getting back I just want to get clear that I and I'm sure every member of the council who votes yeah or nay on this is not Is not opposed to this new technology. I think we're opposed to mandating the new technology Just like when the old system came out with 9-volt batteries. That was revolutionary And soon that was the only ones you could buy as soon within five years the only The only smoke detectors you can probably buy are those with the lithium, but that's my decision for me and my family I also wanted to mention that I don't think the fire department did this for some crazy conspiratorial reason that To to be busy or to do that I think their their heart is in the right place and they and they really felt it was the right thing to do And with the trends they're seeing around and I think it's misplaced to mandate something We can't enforce it's a waste of our time and manpower and limited resources So you're saying the chief is not a major investor in lithium battery companies or we'll be looking into that later But I assume not He's not happy back there And that was a joke chief so don't take it to heart Okay, any further discussion? If there is no roll call, please Okay Everybody know what they're voting on Wait Chief Herman I left the mic on figure and you might come back You're turning a bit red chief I'm getting used to it I guess before you vote Rather than seeing you vote this down I if that's your intention and I that's a feeling that I'm getting and I'm sorry to hear that but I Would throw this out there that if To give you another option that if the bedrooms are the problem And I truly believe that they're very important, but that you would consider amending it to take the bedrooms out and in that place Insert a sentence that says you need a detector within six feet of the doorway of each sleeping room Which is what the current smoke detector code is right now? So what you would really be doing is replacing all nine volt smoke detectors with ten-year lithium detectors if you would amend it To that within five years correct do we have a Motion on that amendment what anybody like to We have a motion in a second on the amendment now discussion will be on the amendment only Within what did you say five five six feet within six feet? And and I think that that would be a good a good compromise to this where is that in your ordinance? Okay, thank you all the person kittleson all of them bowers now. This is the discussion on the amendment only All of ours yes, well if there has to be a compromise I would go along with that the operative word here is the ten-year lithium battery and it has to be replaced When the old ones wear out as people have said we don't have a police running around checking batteries But I think the chief has said before the only fatal fires that we've had in the city of Sheboygan in the last 10 15 years have been Places that did not have batteries in their fire arms Now this what this will do. We're not protecting the people that are complaining to us because we know That these people put their batteries in they don't take them out We have to protect those that don't protect themselves and their children So if we have to go along with the compromise, I will back that Thank You all the men bowers President kisha Thank you the same people who perhaps alderman bowers wants to protect won't go out and buy ten-year batteries If they aren't putting in a nine-volt battery in the current one they have because of an ordinance You can't enforce so I I am not in favor of the amendment because it doesn't change the basic practice that there's it's It's it's good advice, but it's hot air that and hot air can't be Can't be gobbled up here in our hands. We can't enforce it. We can't do anything with it And I think it's therefore a wonderful education. I think that's where it needs to stand Thank You president gisha discussion on the amendment only Any further discussion your honor if I could address all their English is concerned I would say that the majority of the properties that we're seeing the problems in our two-family residences Rental residences where they would the landlord would now be required to install a lithium detector So the tenant could not tamper with that detector President kisha. Thank you chief. Even if the tenant takes the battery I'm not not aware how these rules work Is it not still the landlords requirement to make sure that there's a working battery in that whether it's a nine-volt twelve-fold or whatever No, once the tenant moves in and signs the lease and sends signs the landlord tenant agreement for the smoke detector It is the tenant's responsibility to maintain the detector once he moves in I would think maybe a Better compromise rather than the bedroom thing if that's the main issue is what you're seeing the most of is address that through ordinance changes and And tenant laws in the city so there at landlord regulations tightening up those restrictions if that's where it is and Because that's a commercial operation My issue is my house is my house and I think I would encourage the council to vote found the amendment and vote down the resolution The ordinance rather and then go back With an ordinance addressing the specific problem you mentioned and make it a landlord issue That's a commercial operation And I think if there is no requirement we can make one make them put the tenure in I don't think anybody have an issue with that Thank you Thank You president Kisha any discussion on the amendment only If there is none on the amendment only may we have a roll call vote, please? Okay, everybody know what the amendment is I Will try It's in section 50-664 under B it would say now smoke alarms required in a shall be installed and maintained in the basement on each floor level and within six feet of the doorway To the sleeping area and it would also do the same it would replace that put that sentence in and see also and Within six feet of the doorway of each sleeping area And it would take out in both paragraphs and in each bedroom Are we all clear on the amendment? Okay, okay, if we are roll call please Vander wheel Voo Wongamun Bulk Bowers Decker Gisha, no Hanna Heidemann Kittleson Clowness Montemay or five eyes seven nose Motion fails on the amendment on the amendment Now under discussion on the original document any further discussion If there is none on the unamended document roll call, please Voo Wongamun Bulk Bowers Decker Gisha Hanna Heidemann Kittleson Clowness Montemay or Vander wheel Two eyes ten nose Motion fails Okay, where were we here? That was 2575 2576 by salaries and grievances recommending amending the municipal codes To amend the minimum education experience requirements for the position of fire chief for the city of Cheblegan Vice president Heidemann. Thank you, mayor I put the red I make motion to accept and adopt the RC and pass the ordinance We have a motion in a second under discussion. Okay, this was discussed as salary and grievances. We all agreed that we should change the requirements are the For the fire chief to have a bachelor's degree in fire science emergency management public or business administration and Also included a master's degree in public administration or a related field With 15 years of experience and fighting fighting and firefighting emergency medical and at least five years of management And that passion amazement Thank you vice president Heidemann Under discussion if there is no no call please Wongamun Bulk Bowers Decker Gisha Hanna Heidemann Kittleson Cleonis Montemay or Vander wheel and Vue 12 eyes motion carries ordinances introduced 10 2577 lies over 2578 to be referred Matters laid over 11 2337 Will be referred to the public works committee of the new common counsel 2453 our own number 453-09-10 by the city clerk submitting communication from library board president Stating that they appreciate the recent actions by the council and its finance committee to amend the 2010 budget in order to meet the maintenance of effort funding require Excuse me requirement for 2010 We have a motion to accept and file do we have a second We have a motion in a second Under discussion There is none all in favor say aye opposed Motion carries 2451 general ordinance number 58-09-10 by Alder persons Heidemann bout Gisha and kath Reestablishing the salary schedule for certain designated elected officials namely the city attorney and city clerk Thank you mayor. I motioned pass the ordinance Okay, we have a motion the second under discussion again This is this is an ordinance that will set the salaries for the city clerk and the city attorney for the next within the next 40 for the next Four years Will be for the next term of next term. Yes Okay under discussion If there is none roll call, please Bulk Bowers Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann Kittleson clientess Montemay or Vander wheel Voo and Wongamon 11 eyes one no motion carries other matters authorized by law 25-79 a resolution by alderman alder persons Heidemann Kittleson Gisha and kath lifting the hiring freeze in order to recall from layoff the housing Slash environmental inspector in the department of planning and development vice president Heidemann. Thank you mayor First aid of motion to suspend the rules We have a motion in the second to suspend the rules under discussion on the suspension There is no discussion if there's anybody opposed to suspending the rules If there is none rules are suspended Okay, then I make a motion to pass the resolution We have a motion in a second to put the resolution upon its passage under discussion Basically with this we're lifting the hiring freeze in order to rehire a person who's been laid off under for the building inspection Thank you alderman Heidemann For a vice president Heidemann if I may add we did have we do have a retirement in the Inspection Department in the Department of Building Inspection. That's why we're bringing one person back from layoff Thank you alderman Hannah President Gisha just a quick financial note. I want to thank the Various department heads and so forth we're getting news financial information forms on everything also known as the Fife also known as the Fife and it It talks about whether this is going to increase the budget or not And is it a budget item? It is a budget item, but it's actually going to decrease the department's budget We save about twenty thousand dollars Because of the difference between the one the gentleman we're bringing back and the gentleman who has been Who is retiring? Thank you president Gisha Under further discussion Alderman Bowers. Thank you very Alderman Bart you know go ahead Okay Lot of people have called me on this one one thing that I've noticed a definite Well, how should I say this in our neighborhoods of? Run down properties and it's not being taken care of So what we're doing is we're going to replace in one with the other but we're back and I'm getting a lot of phone calls and I tell them I'm at a loss. We can't do anything. Do we have any money in this budget? I think we had a hundred twenty thousand dollars Somewhere that was left over could we add one more? inspector That would have to be something that would come through committee obviously committee They don't see if you would like to make a resolution to that effect you are more than welcome to Present to the new council one thing I can add is there is a new Spirit of cooperation between our police department and our building inspection in our planning department With trying to get into some of these properties and inspect them and bring them up to code So we are making forward progress on this However, it is going to take some time Thank you Alderman Bowers President Kisha, thanks, and that's worth noting I don't want to know it exactly although it's public knowledge was in the community There's no secret as to what they're going to do, but it's basically a the police department has teamed up with our inspection department and with the fire department to some extent I believe and an engineering to To do basically a carpet bombing of a specific. I think it's the NARSA area Areas of non-attainment where there happens to be a lot of violations Then that might be an answer is somewhat to Alderperson Bowers questions before we just kind of picked away all over the place here We're going to have an intense effort. It's like when you have a Siding sales person group come into an area or selling Magazines and they send everybody to every door all these neighbor and And and go for it and do a lot of work in a very limited period of time and limited in scope I think that's being tested with this This is one of the reasons we want to bring this gentleman back or fill this position and then we can try it in another area and then another area another I think it was a great response by director Enders and Chief Domigolski and Fire chief Herman and the rest of putting up this all this together Thank You President Gisha. Yeah, if I may add I mean we've always talked about getting a cross cross cooperation between our departments And get them working together Thank you Any further discussion? If there is none roll call, please hours Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Clowness Montemay or Vanderweal rule Wongamon Boke 12 eyes motion carries Other matters Losing my place here other matters authorized by law attorney McLean Thank you your honor 2580 is Arrow by the fire chief pursuant to section 50-494 of the missable code He's submitting his quarterly report for the period commencing January 1 2009 and ending December 31 2009 that will go to the public protection and safety committee of the new comic council 2581 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting a communication from quality state oil company Requesting an encroachment for maintaining a sign at their new location for a q-mart store at 1211 Whedon Creek Road That will go to city planning 2582 is the ordinance granting quality state oil company The privilege of encroaching upon described portions of Whedon Creek Road located at 1211 Whedon Creek Road in the city for the purpose of maintaining a sign That will go to city planning 2583 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting as matter of record Information received from Carol Lutz regarding the dates for Rockets for schools as being May 6 7 and 8 2010 that will go dope that lies over excuse me 2584 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting a communication from all the person bowers Requesting to add a farmers market at the South Pier district with dates and hours to be determined by vendors and the city of Shaborgan that will go to the redevelopment authority 2585 is a resolution authorizing entering into contract with the Shaborgan County Chamber of Commerce For tourism promotion and development services and dissolving the city's tourism advisory committee that will go to finance 2586 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending June 30 2010 and June 30 2011 That will go to line licensing 2587 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting a notice of injury in the matter of Amanda J. McKetrick and the Shpoig and transit system for alleged injuries while alighting from a bus operated by Shpoig and transit bus driver on the A Street in Georgia Avenue will be referred to risk management 2588 is An arrow by the city clerk submitting an appeal to the sex offender residency restrictions on behalf of state inmate Jason Alfonzi That will go to the public protection and safety committee of the new Common Council 2589 is the resolution authorizing executing an agreement with ACOM technical services Inc. Provide consultant engineering services relating to infrastructure upgrade of sidewalk gap filling that lies over And that is all we have Do we have a motion to adjourn? President Guesha, would you like to speak first just before I know there's a few alderman missing tonight Just so people don't maybe get the wrong impression. We normally of course meet on Monday night There was a citizens Academy Police Academy tonight and a lot of the alderman signed up for that And I believe tonight is like graduation night. I don't know if they get the tassel moved or whatever it is They do get to use the 45. I'm not sure what it is, but nine millimeter nine millimeter So that's the reason some of the alderman were in absence on kind of an odd night for council motion to adjourn Thank you President Guesha. Motion to adjourn in a second. All in favor say aye Opposed we are adjourned. Thank you