 Are you guys ready? For the Nintendo Prime Podcast, episode nine. Hey everyone, welcome to the Nintendo Prime Podcast. How are you guys doing? Hopefully everything is working. Welcome to a little bit of an introduction, a little bit of an introduction to our E3 set. It is not complete. There is one item coming for the set. We're not done yet. There's also some different things that will happen during E3 that you'll notice every single day. I'm not gonna say what it is because it's a surprise. This is just a teaser. This is a little teaser and I know it's not perfect. We know the line up there. You can see part of the white wall. It is what it is. We'll get this stuff sorted out as we get to E3. But we are excited that all this stuff has arrived and things are working as intended. So let's just get right into episode nine of the Nintendo Prime Podcast. My first introducing our special guest who is located behind my big fat head, Mr. Game Over Jesse. How's it going? I am great. Thank you so much for inviting me on here again. It's great to be back on. No problem, man. And obviously to my left, your guys' right is Mr. Eric Moore. Hell. And I am Nintendo Prime himself. Or maybe, you know, if you watch my other live streams, I get in fights with Nintendo Primes. I'm defender of the Jants. Nintendo Prime's that logo right there. I'm gonna smack them around a little bit tonight if I have to. Hopefully things don't go that bad. Tonight, we're gonna be talking about Skyward Sword HD. Get some new Amiibo announced, some functionality with that Amiibo announced that's stirring up a little controversy with some people, kinda reminding everyone what Nintendo said Amiibo is that I don't necessarily agree with. But that is what it is. And then we obviously are gonna talk a little bit about Zelda 35th anniversary and what we expect or don't expect to happen at E3 2021, specifically just about Zelda. So kinda look at this as, kinda like the old Zelda cast right now before E3. And I'll let you guys know we have guests lined up now all the way up to E3. Next week, we're gonna have rule two review on the podcast. The week after that, we're gonna have 5J gaming on. You guys, only the old school members are gonna remember who 5J is. You guys are in for a special treat that week on June 2nd. Hopefully, Eric's here for that. Kinda up in the air if he's gonna be here or not. If he's not, I think I actually have another guest coming on as well that I don't remember who it was. Maybe it was Andre again. I have no idea. There was somebody, I gotta go through my messages and remember, but I know for sure 5J cause he was gonna be my backup host and just if Eric's here, cool. I'm just gonna have four people here. And we have a special set up for four people. It's really crazy, but I'm really excited about it. We will need to make sure that other computer's working to make it work though. Yeah. And on top of that, the June 2nd, I didn't tell Eric this yet, we are moving the podcast on the week of E3 to June 2nd instead of on that Wednesday because we have a special guest coming on, Camelot331 is coming on and that's the only day that we can make it. So we're just gonna make it happen. If you can't be here that day, it's okay. No, the day that it was normally possibly gonna be out. No, no, sorry, the following week, June 8th. Oh, yeah, I should be here for that. Yeah, for June 8th. So that's our special, sorry. June 2nd is, is this what happens? I get all confundled. I understand. There's gonna be a sheet or a little graphic. I'm gonna be putting it out later that has all of our guests up to E3, has our guests during E3 and obviously has our E3 schedule once the actual E3 schedules announced so I can schedule my stuff within the actual schedule. Yeah. It is what it is. Right. No, I just have some work, work possible conflicts on the second, so. Happens. It's called the job. Yeah, right. You know, got bills to pay. YouTube doesn't pay nearly enough to pay Eric. Wish it did. I wish I wish to pay, I mean, I don't have to pay me. I feel like all the giveaways I do with the thing makes no money, so that's okay. We got a new member, by the way, who joined the podcast. Thank you so much if you're watching live. We do this podcast live, listen to the audio version. It's available everywhere, podcasts can be heard. We appreciate it if you go on your local favorite podcast place, whether it's Spotify, whether it's, you know, iTunes or the Google podcast app or whatever and give us a review. Whether you like it or hate it, we appreciate the feedback. Drop reviews, it also helps our podcast get discovered if you do enjoy it. All right, so shout out to DragonC26 for becoming a champion. Welcome to becoming a member of the Nintendo Pride Board of Governors. All right, let's get into the topics here starting with the news of the last 24 hours, they say, and that's Skyward Sword. So, you know, Skyward Sword HG is coming. There's kind of now a double controversy happening with this game. The first one is people thinking it's overpriced. That's been happening since the announcement of the game. Everyone thinks it's overpriced or a lot of people think it's overpriced anyways. And then on top of that, we just got new Skyward Sword Amiibo, I know. Switched by the way, looks pretty good, doesn't it guys? Like, does it not look sick? Yeah, it looks really good. I mean, it looks like it's one of the more complex Amiibos, which is why it's $25. Some people aren't happy about that price, but it's a lot more complex Amiibo than the standard ones. So, we've seen Nintendo do different price points with Amiibo when they're more complicated. So, two characters on one Amiibo, I would say is more complicated than your average Amiibo. So, the price point at $25, just for the Amiibo itself, doesn't really bother me. Does it bother you guys? Just the base price. Not considering anything else. Mm. Ooh, there we go. It doesn't bother me, no. No. I'm good with it. I mean, we've seen like, what the giant yarn Yoshi won, that was huge. That was really expensive. Yeah. They've had bigger ones. This just shows my- And the big guardian Amiibo for Breath of the Wild. Yeah, that was the guardian. This just shows my ignorance, but what's the normal prices of Amiibo? Like anywhere from $12 to $15. Okay. So, another $10 for, no. And it's got two characters on it. Right, that's, yeah. I mean, I could say maybe a little bit. I could see maybe $20. I actually have right here. Uh, so if you guys can see this. Yeah. It's $16 for Daruk. And as I was saying that I looked over and I saw the Banjo-Kazooie one and it was $16 for the Banjo-Kazooie one. Yeah. So, you know, anywhere between right around $10, I would have thought more about five to eight, but it's not terrible. Yeah, I mean, here's the thing. They don't make a lot of new Amiibo that's not Smash Bros. related anymore. So, I'm fine with the price. Like, as just a pure collector, like who likes Amiibo and wants all the Zelda Amiibo, I need $25, Skyward. I'm just happy it exists, right? We didn't have Amiibo back when Skyward Store came out. So, they have one at all. I'm also, well, we'll get into the functionality of it in a moment, because I think that's where some people have issues with the Amiibo and have issues with the price point of the Amiibo because of the functionality it adds. But I think just the base price of 25, we've seen so many variants and prices for different Amiibo over the years. I don't think that's a problem. And we'll get into the price of Skyward Sword in a bit, because I feel like we haven't really had the full debate on Skyward Sword HD's price. So, we'll flush that out, because I feel like this Amiibo is kind of bringing the price point of Skyward Sword HD back up again, because I believe it was $50 at launch, but $60 with the Gold Wiimote back in the day. Pretty sure that was the Wii pricing. I think it came with a soundtrack as well. Yeah, soundtrack. Yeah, so like that was $60. And now we don't get either of those things. And they're selling you the special Joy-Cons separately. So, like it's kind of one of the- And Twilight Princess, sorry. No, go on. Twilight Princess, what about it? I was going to say Twilight Princess HD, it was $50 for its base, and then $60 for the combo that came with the Wolf Link Amiibo. Yeah, so like what they did with prior ones is they basically, they gave you more for spending the full fat $60, and they charged $50. Today, they've charged it $60 for Skyward Sword. Now, we'll get into that in a moment, because what makes this really interesting is because if you're going to charge $60, you expect a lot of changes or new content, and they're very well-could be. You have to remember, it comes out July 16th. We got something new announced in the last 24 hours that requires the Amiibo, but who knows what else is different. Now, we know in the base $60 price, we get the full game, which is more, you can save your Final Fantasy VII remake, but we won't go down that path again, we did that last week. We did that last weekend. But you can get, you get 60 FPS, you get 1080p or 720p in handheld. You get, you can use motion controls just like the original game, or you can now use standard controls, so that can be considered a quality of life improvement for some people that prefer that. So, there's that, okay? There's that on the surface. Now, we have the Amiibo. So, announced along with the Skyward Sword Amiibo is what it does in the game, because if people paid attention, I think we talked about it briefly, on the official website, it listed Amiibo support, which we didn't know what that meant, because the original game didn't have Amiibo support, and lots of speculations over what happened with Shroud of Prisa's HG, Wind Waker, what happened with, you know, obviously Breath of the Wild, what are they gonna do with Amiibo? Well, with the Skyward Sword Amiibo, they are enabling a, basically a teleport in the game, that you could teleport from anywhere on the ground, back up to the sky, and then if you're in the sky and you scan the Amiibo, you could teleport back to the last point you teleported at from the ground. Now, this is notable because in the game, it is set up where there's only certain points on the ground that you can go back up to the sky. Now, admittedly, there's quite a few of these points. I went back through some of my old footage of the game, and I realized, okay, there's quite a few points to actually get back up to the sky. Not a ton of points in the sky to get back to the ground, though. There's four. That's not very many. And that is how the design of the game is. So, for everyone that says, well, there's so many points on the ground, but there isn't in the sky. That is a big deal that you can go to Skyloft, be in the Bazaar, they mentioned this, go to the Bazaar, load up on items, tap your Amiibo, and you're back down to the ground. Like that is, you couldn't do that before. Now, I don't know if you have to take flight off of Skyloft before you tap it, they didn't go that far into it, but in theory, based on how they described it, you should be able to do it right from Skyloft. You've never been able to do that before. And- It'll make upgrading your equipment really quick. Yes, and that's a big thing. People are talking about, oh, as you're progressing, yeah, but this system has upgrades in it. You have to collect, there's bug collecting, there's potions to make, and you can do all of that stuff in Skyloft. So, if you could just go down to the ground quick, and like do your thing, and then tap up, and you're like right in the sky, right by Skyloft, and then you could tap to go back down if you need more supplies, that's really huge. That's a big, that's a big fundamental shift in gameplay for this game. In addition, this is what's great, I didn't think they were gonna do this. It's usable in dungeons. Any point in a dungeon, you could tap it and go to the sky and tap and come to that exact point in the dungeon. You could not do that in the original game. There's no takeoff points inside the dungeon to go back up to the sky. I double checked. I'm like, I'm pretty sure there wasn't, no, there isn't. So, that is literally a quality of life improvement that is being withheld behind a $25 Amiibo. Nintendo has done this before, by the way. So, their original vision for Amiibo back in the day was, we're gonna lock stuff behind Amiibo to add additional value to Amiibo. And I've criticized it every time they've done it, but they've mostly backed off on it over the years, especially during the Switch era. There hasn't really been that much. Even Breath of the Wild, I think one of the biggest things locked behind Amiibo is like Epona. And you can get horses, and you can get horses just as good, if not better than Epona, in the game. So, it's more of a nostalgia trip than it is that you can get certain costumes and certain items through Amiibo. But again, none of it actually makes it better in terms of makes it the game easier per se. Right, even the Wolf Link companion is optional and doesn't really help out that much. No, in fact, sometimes he gets too aggressive and then kills you because he just runs off and does whatever the hell he wants. So, that's the one thing is the Wolf Link companion. But even then, it's almost a detriment to the game because the game is clearly not designed for that companion. At least how that companion functions. So, it's one of those, they don't really make the game fundamentally better. They just make it more nostalgic for people. And that's fine. I thought that, adding costumes, random item drops, I felt that's a great use of Amiibo. Locking this, a quality of life improvement, is interesting because this is even bigger than what they did when I didn't like this. I think this was in Twilight Princess HD. You could tap the Ganondorf Amiibo and like double damage, which basically added a whole new difficulty mode to the game. And I thought that was weird to lock a difficulty mode behind an Amiibo. This is even worse than that. This is an entire quality of life improvement that fundamentally changes how you play the game. And it's something that in-game could just be a new item with a button press. And we've seen teleporting in Zelda before, so it's not like Nintendo hasn't had items that do this. This isn't even a new idea for Zelda. It's just really, really nice to have in Skyward Sword. And of course, I'm gonna have a Skyward Sword Amiibo because it's Zelda. If this was a different game, I probably wouldn't buy the Amiibo. I'd buy the game, but not the Amiibo. And yeah, we'll be giving away some of these, at least one, maybe two of them or so, during E3, because these things would be hard to get. And I think that's the other thing on top of it is this quality of life improvement slot behind a $25 Amiibo that is going to be sold out at launch guaranteed because everything these days is sold out at launch. Scalpers are re-scalping the hell out of it. Now knowing there's a quality of life thing behind it, that makes the Amiibo more valuable. So even more likely to be scalped. And a lot of legit consumers are gonna have a very hard time getting their hands on this quality of life improvement, even if they were willing to pay $25. And now some people are gonna say, we'll go buy one of those cheap, empty card things and illegally put scanner chips on it Yes, of course, there's workarounds to all the Amiibo. That's besides the point, those are unofficial and technically breaks the TOS of Amiibo. There's actually been, Nintendo's already legally taken out a bunch of places that were selling things that preloaded Amiibo on these like cards and preloaded them on different coins. That Nintendo's been going after these companies because it completely breaks TOS. These coins, what people are doing is technically not legal. But they're doing it because it's so impossible. There's limited runs of Amiibo. So Amiibos don't stay in print forever. And then on top of that, some of them are just impossible to get. Like this one's gonna be so hard to get if you don't get a preorder in. I'm basically, the criticism of this is $85 to get the full functionality of the game. This assumes they don't have other stuff locked behind other Amiibo. So $85 there. And on top of that, it's something that's gonna be hard for, I think an average consumer to get. People that wanna pick up Skyward Sword HD in person and like would nab the Amiibo GameStop or Walmart, they won't have any. They're gonna be sold out. So what are you guys' thoughts just on this Amiibo aspect and locking this quality of life improvement behind it? Let's go to game over Jesse here on this one. Yeah, I don't think it should be $25 for just this one thing. If it was similar to the Wolf Link from Twilight Princess to where it not only does it unlock function with the game that it was originally made for, but it also has something that carries over to the next Breath of the Wild. Then I think maybe they could justify it being $25, especially if it's something really good in Breath of the Wild too. Like I've always imagined like my dream Amiibo function would be allowing you to ride a loft wing over the Breath of the Wilds version of Hyrule. I can see something like that being worth the $25, especially with it already giving you this function in Skyward Sword, but then like if you're in the middle of playing, how annoying is it going to be to be like, oh, I forgot the Amiibo over there. I gotta go get it so I can get to the sky faster. And then like, yeah, it just seems odd because you're in the middle of playing and it takes you out of the game to reach over, try to find the Amiibo, tap it, set it back and then go back to playing. But that's how Amiibos work anyways. It just, yeah, but that's my thoughts basically. Eric, what do you think? Yeah, to lock an actual like improve quality improvement like that behind it is kind of crappy. What I really would have liked to see is and I know I make it flag for this, but it would be really cool to see like different colored loft wings and the one that you purchase, you can actually have that color loft wing in the game. So like if you wanted a green loft wing, you could buy a green loft wing Amiibo or a purple or, you know, cause I know you got your red and blue, right? That's those are the two main colors, correct? Yeah. Zelda's in the links. Zelda's blue and then Link's is the red one, yeah. Yeah, okay. Yep. So then, you know, the different colored like loft wings or, you know, materials like bugs, it gives you bugs, it gives you different materials so you don't have to do as much fetch questing. You know, things like that would be, you know, understandable behind something like this. Yeah. Not necessarily a quality of life improvement. Now, I actually have a thought on this. I think Game Over just said a thought on this as well about potential for the Amiibos use in Breath of the Wild 2 that might really make it feel valuable. But we'll get into that in a moment when we're talking about stuff that E3 and the Zelda 35 anniversary because that's gonna get into a whole speculation and or rumors and or things we're hearing about for Breath of the Wild 2. But I will say that the idea of this Amiibo being $25 to pay wall, like just set the Amiibo aside, 25 bucks for this quality of life improvement on its own is way too much money. Well, I mean, you get more DLC for less money. Oh yeah, you could pay for a fighter pass for Smash Bros and get more content. You could pay for the entire Breath of the Wild DLC combo pack and get all the DLC for this price point. You could get, let me try to think, any of the Fire Emblem Warriors, Hyrule Warriors, any of the Warriors game DLC packs are all around this amount of money for everything. Like, guys remember when it was like 20 bucks for the Mario Kart 8 DLC back of the day for the pre-buy all of it? Like, that's what they're charging here for access to a quality of... Now, yes, you get the Amiibo and I think we all kind of agreed on its own if you're just buying a little collectible statue of a princess Zelda and her Lothwing. Okay, we don't have a problem with it for that and that is a value add for that 25 but it's locking something away and someone in the chat I mentioned that maybe Nintendo, you know, they don't think Nintendo's being malicious, they're just trying to add value and this is something I've been arguing about Amiibo the whole time. Has it Nintendo merchandise and collectibles already proven they sell on the fact that people like collectibles? Yes. Look at pop figures. So like, if Nintendo thinks they need to add value to justify charging 25 bucks or to justify releasing the Amiibo by locking quality of life improvements then Nintendo's missed the boat on why their Amiibo sell. And this Amiibo was gonna sell out without this. Period. Even if you go back to like Link's Awakening it gave you that whole new create a dungeon type thing for free. There wasn't locked behind anything or anything and going back to Twilight Princess I think a lot of people may prefer what it did with its big Amiibo function which is giving you a new dungeon to kind of run the gauntlet through and see how many hearts you can keep after beating it to where this like if this gave you some sort of similar dungeon to where you go through it as well in this case you can't transform into anything but if you just go through like a new dungeon as normal Link, I think a lot of people would prefer that over just being able to warp back and forth to justify it. Yeah, I honestly think they're pushing the envelope here and it's good to have backlash because we always think that Nintendo doesn't listen like Reggie infamously said you know we don't listen to any of your feedback anyway so what's the point? He didn't say it that bluntly but he was like very much like you fans can say what they want, we just don't listen to him. And it was very interesting when he said that but they had a similar issue with a feature in Mario Maker 2 that was kinda locked away behind something and fans backlash and backlash and backlash and they finally unlocked it in the base game. So fan backlash has proven with Nintendo that if there's enough people saying that this should not be locked behind it especially with how hard this thing is gonna be to buy then Nintendo might go back on it and toss it in a future update to the game. And with you talking about quality of life improvements they went back and added the better version of online multiplayer to Super Mario Party for free. They didn't release a new amiibo that would unlock it it was just a free download. Right, but that there is some speculation that that could be leading into another Mario Party game though right at least that's our thoughts. Well yeah there's rumors out there about a new Mario Party and how this might have been the online might have been a test for the new game and we'll see. And it may not be because I'm just saying it just may not be because of backlash. There is possible other reasons. Well that particular one but Mario Maker 2 was clearly from backlash. But you know to a certain extent though Reggie is kind of right. I mean Nintendo they generally make their money and yeah could they probably make more money possibly but they do all right. So you know when they do something you know do they really have to listen to the fans? I mean it's nice when they do but you know they're gonna make their money. Well yeah they absolutely don't have to. So that's the- Nope, Kwan. I was gonna say well that's kind of the thing is like if they pay attention to a certain number of people for every thousand people that like something there's a thousand more that don't like it or if you see a bunch of people that don't like something then maybe that's just like a giant vocal minority to where they're talking about it but everyone that's okay and fine with it sees no reason to mention it. So then the only thing you see is the negative stuff when 90% of the people actually like the thing. So let's get into why what makes this more upsetting I suppose right? There's a reason that people are more upset about this than maybe prior times if you guys remember there was an entire thing locked behind in Metroid Samus Returns that pissed people off. They locked an entire like mode in the game. It was ridiculous. And here's the thing, what makes people wonder about this because this is such a fundamental quality of life improvement for collecting. It's a quality of life improvement for crafting in the game and gear upgrades, fundamental quality update in terms of making dungeon running a bit easier. You know if you're running low on stuff typically hey you're in a dungeon you're running low you gotta kind of push through because it's a pain in the butt to back track and get out of here and go- I'm playing the Talon Sword Dungeons. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like what makes it I think more upsetting for people right now is as far as we're aware as of today there is no fundamental changes within the game to the game itself that makes it better beyond doubling frame rate up in the resolution and then making the controls adaptable to the current controls on Switch which are sure those are great changes but they don't add anything to the game itself. There's not new content. You think about prior games they added new stuff. Even in the Wind Waker which I feel like may have had the most minimal content additions in fact you can argue it removed content because they got rid of the tingle tuner and all the quests behind that. But at least they did add like message bottles and other things in the game that you know they added technically a first person mode that wasn't originally part of the game. Not very many people are aware there's a first person mode surprisingly. I'm actually shocked every day and more and more people that played the Wind Waker each didn't realize there's a first person mode because they've never really had that in a Zelda game before. It's a limited first person mode by the way. It's not, you can't just run around freely. Well, maybe you can spend a little bit since I've tried it out. I wasn't a fan of it but I've also always played Zelda a certain way. But they at least did experiment with a few things there and the quick sale of course that was one of the biggest quality of life improvement upgrades to that game. Right now we don't know of any new content, any improvements, any significant upgrades that we couldn't already get for free on an emulator other than them upping the price of 60 bucks. So you have that $60 price point when prior ones were 50, when you paid 60 you got extra stuff. So that already doesn't look very good. It feels like they're taking advantage of the Switch being popular, the Wii U wasn't, the Switch is. So let's take advantage of that popularity and Zelda's current popularity and then the most significant change that we're aware of exist is locked behind a $25 Amiibo. And I think that's where people are upset because it's not as if we're getting a bunch of extra stuff for that 60 bucks in the game as far as we're aware. We might be, plenty of time to announce it but as of today we know of nothing new in Skyward Sword, if you play Skyward Sword HD it's fundamentally the same game as you played on Wii. That's as far as we're aware and I think that's what makes, like if there is improvements, if there is new items maybe they even added a whole new dungeon that would be crazy, they haven't done something like that yet but let's say they did and they did that too by the way. But way back in the day guys remember Link's Awakening DX, they added the color dungeon back in the day. That was a dungeon exclusive to that version of the game, wasn't in the original Link Awakening. A link to the past on the Game Boy Advance have another dungeon or am I mis-remembering? Well I had that other mode, it had four swords. I don't know if it had a dungeon though. I'd have to go back and look at that. I don't have four swords which was obviously packed in with it, so like it's interesting to me because they're charging 60, they're charging this the same price as they charge Breath of the Wild at launch but they're not making fundamental changes and it looks even worse when you're coming off of, we just got three games from Mario, three of the best games ever for 60 bucks that basically had the same thing happen. They didn't up the frame rates but they did up resolution and they did adjust controls where they needed to, like Galaxy in particular had to have some of their controls change to work with traditional controls and they also made one of the games widescreen in Sunshine because it wasn't originally widescreen. Those changes are basic bare minimum changes you need to make to make the games look nice and they charge 60 bucks for the three pack. Now it's a limited three pack and you can't buy it anymore but that's besides the point, it was 60 bucks. Now, here's our next remake, our next HD game is also a game from the Wii era that was less popular than Galaxy being sold for you for more money on its own with less changes than any other game got. Like what was the last $60 one, Pikmin 3 Deluxe? They added all new missions with Alomar, right? All new missions with Alomar. Then you go back, what did they do with the remake Chronicles? Oh, they just like remastered the entire game. That's a pretty big deal, not to mention new content. Why are they, here's the thing, let's start here. Do we think there's more to Skyward Sword HD than it's already announced? Let's start there. Is there more to it that we don't know? Cause that makes a big difference on the price. Cause again, the couple of months out they might be waiting. I don't know why they're waiting, but they might be waiting. What do you think, Eric? Is there more changes to it to justify the $60 price point? Cause right now it feels like you gotta pay 85 to get all the features. Right. And that doesn't sound nice. And that's not saying that they don't drop more Amiibo with more stuff behind them. So, you know, you could be looking at 150 by the time they drop three Amiibo and put something behind each one. You know. I did hear people, or I did see people on Twitter and Discord saying that Nintendo said this was the only Amiibo for Skyward Sword. I don't know if that means the only one so far? Right. It might be the only one, only new one. Doesn't mean there will be functionality for other Amiibo too. Right. Okay. So, I mean, if that's true, then okay. Yeah. But, you know, I'm hoping there's more. What? I don't know. But I would not also be surprised if there was not. What do you think, Jesse? You think there's gonna be more changes to the game? I think there will be. Even if it's something, I don't know if you would count it as small or a big change, but something akin to Twilight Princess when you had to collect the Tears of Light and it shrunk it down from like 16 to just 12. Maybe they do something to make the spirit realm or the silent realm a bit easier. Sure, sure. That's a tough part of the original game, guys, if you haven't played it. Yeah, so I think maybe they'll do something to just make that a bit easier. I don't know what they're called, the Guardians, the Watchers, whatever they are. Maybe they'll slow them down or make it harder for them to see you somehow or who knows, but I could see them doing something like that. I would like to see Dowsing improve that. Yeah. That was a really annoying part of the game, which by the way, you can pretty much completely ignore Dowsing for most of the game anyways, but if you want to 100% it, you got to Dows, and for those that don't know what we're talking about. I think it only forces you to do the define the key quiz. Yeah, that's like the only time that's basically teaching you how to Dows. And for those that don't know, it's kind of like, if you guys ever, if you don't know what Dowsing is, like in real life, you could take like a Y stick and you can kind of use gravity to kind of figure out potentially where there's water underground. It's kind of a similar thing in this game where it's not really gravity, it's motion controls with your sword and it like lights up and buzzes and like lets you know where there's certain stuff underground. Funny thing about that, as ridiculous as it might come across to some people, someone being able to tell if there's water or something underground by holding a stick and walking around, a lot of oil companies actually pay people tons of money to walk around the land and like just for that extra reassurance to see if there's oil or liquid beneath. Yeah, there's actually science behind it and why it works. I learned about it way back in Boy Scouts, actually way back in the day. On why that works as a survival technique when you're stuck out there and there's not a fresh water source around. Not that it's gonna be necessarily easy to get to that water, it might be really hard to get to it, but anyways, we obviously have more advanced techniques today with certain technology that can scan a little better, but yeah, I'd like to see that improved in the game. I think that's a fundamental improvement that would be nice to see, but... Do you have any ideas of how it could be improved? I don't know. I honestly don't know because I find the whole mechanic to not be very good. I mean, just eliminate it and give us a different way to find things. Kind of put in like a Breath of the Wild, like the Shrent locator, where if you're close to something that'll be the closer you're at, like one of those masks. Yeah, the Korok mask or even the Great Ferry mask and Majora's mask. Yeah, but like the Shrine indicators where it kind of beeps along the way up, where you can get closer to something. I think if it was something just as simple as not forcing you to go in first-person mode and hold the sword up, like if you could just do it while running around normal, then it would be a lot better. Yeah. And that would just be like a really simple change. So personally, I don't think there's going to be any of these changes that we're hoping for. And it feels weird. I think the most obvious one is really talked about in like the Sacred Realm stuff. Yeah, like I think that is an area in Delcy, but at the same point, I have a feeling that I, and by the way, we don't know what studios handle in this at all yet. We have some guesses, Tantalus potentially could be Grezzo. We don't really know. Could be the Zelda team. We don't really know, right? We're all just guessing at this point till we see a logo up here somewhere in some trailer besides Nintendo. We're left guessing at this point. For all we know, it could have been the team monolith soft got put together for it. Could have been monolith soft. Like we have no idea. Could be internal, could be external, could be a brand new team, could be panic button for all we know. We don't know who did it, okay? We have guesses because we know what companies have done prior ones. Basically, Grezzo, Tantalus. Those are like the two big ones that have done prior ones, but we don't know. So I have a feeling that that's it. I don't think they've made any fundamental changes at all to this game. I think we're getting it as is. I think they purposely chose to do it as a lazy port. Now I do think that, one, I know the term lazy port gets tossed around too much, but I'm calling it this because everything they're doing can be done in an emulator besides what's locked behind the amiibo. That required actual development time. What we've seen so far in the game is all stuff that fans have been doing to the game for a decade. So I don't think they've really done anything. And maybe that's just me being cynical. So I'm really happily surprised when they do something and then I overreact to being really happy about that. That tends to be my roto things. Well, it's expect less. So yeah, yeah, expect less. Then you tend to get more than what you expect. Yeah. You remember, sorry. No, go on. No, look, listening to you guys talk, it reminded me of all of the changes they did to Majora's Mask that no one liked, like completely changing all of the boss fights, adding the giant eyeballs and everything. Yeah, and there's a point like that. You can go too far. And even like the eyeballs, that was, I mean, guys, that was a huge fundamental change of Majora's Mask 3D. If you haven't played the original Majora's Mask, like those giant eyeballs, I don't, right? That's when like a classic in Zelda, giant eyeballs, and you're gonna see that in Skyward Sword. There are some bosses that have giant eyeballs, but that's not how every boss works in Zelda anymore. And Majora's Mask fundamentally did not work off giant eyeballs for like any of the bosses. And then they made it that way, making the game much easier. But my biggest gripe in Majora's Mask 3D was the change of swimming with the Zora Mask. They borked it. It was already basically perfect. And if you guys know about swimming and video games and underwater, it's usually not fun. It's usually not good. It's good and fun in the original Majora's Mask with the Zora Mask. They made it not good and not fun in Majora's Mask 3D. Nobody knows why they did it. We understand why they made the water temple easier and that had some more things that guide you along. I get that. Water temples, they're infamously difficult because you can get disoriented pretty easy because of all the water. Things start to look very samey, especially when you have to go underwater. I didn't mind that, but the changes to actual swimming, I never understood why they did that. Now, since I don't think they're gonna make any changes, it does make me think, some people are gonna be out there, well, okay, Nate. So you're complaining about the amiibo price and having stuff locked behind it. You're complaining about the price of Skyward Sword HD. All right, are you gonna do what you should do and not buy it? Yeah. Yeah, right. I'm gonna buy it, not only am I gonna buy it day one, I'm gonna be streaming it on this channel. Like, here's the problem. I'll probably be buying too. Like, this is the problem is they got me by the balls because of how big a fan I Zelda am and this is why Nintendo continues to get away with this stuff. And also another reason why Reggie was right. Yeah. Because they don't have to do a whole lot. They don't have to do it. This thing's gonna sell millions. It's gonna sell millions. I don't know how many millions, maybe 10, maybe five. I don't know. Well, it's gonna sell millions of copies, especially because I guess on a recent video I did, I'm barely certain that Skyward Sword is gonna play an important role in Breath of the Wild 2. That was from Samus Hunter, who didn't specifically say that Skyward Sword is gonna have something to do with Breath of the Wild 2, but told some of the reasoning on why we're getting Skyward Sword before we're getting the Wind Waker and Twilight Princess HD. And supposedly, according to Samus Hunter, it's because Nintendo thinks it's very important for some reason that, one, we know the origin story of the whole series because Skyward Sword is the origin story, that we are introduced to certain characters and we're introduced to certain story elements and certain story items. Why? Why does it matter if we're introduced to any of that? Because if you played Breath of the Wild, there is a reference to Skyward Sword in Breath of the Wild. A very, like, what the F reference that you're like, whoa, whoa, what do you mean that thing talked to you? That came out of nowhere. Because... It really does come out of nowhere. But you do not expect it at all. It's like, oh man, okay, let's go. What's happening? And like, because you're like, oh, you see references of Skyward Sword all throughout it. You have the goddess statues, but like, okay, what? That's a huge reference to put in the story of Breath of the Wild, but nothing ever really comes of it the rest of the game. My thought process is connecting those dots that what happens in Skyward Sword is gonna have some sort of connection directly to Breath of the Wild 2 and some events that happen there. Some people have said, oh, does that mean that's not Ganondorf that we saw in the trailer? It's Demise. I don't know, okay? I can't tell you. I know the headdress and the drool, all of that feels very Ganondorf-ish. But then again, Demise came before Ganondorf. So who's to say Demise can't have that stuff on him? I have no idea, okay? Maybe Ganondorf got it from... Yeah, again, where did he even get that stuff from? And we've even seen other random characters that aren't even affiliated with Ganon, transform into Ganon, like in a link between worlds when Yuga turns into Ganon. So Ganondorf zombie dude could turn into Demise instead of Ganondorf or could be possessed and used as, I don't know. And I don't wanna spoil too... Yeah, no, you're on the right path there. I like that. Like, the thing is, I don't wanna spoil too much because I noticed a lot of you watching right now that never played Skyward Sword. You're gonna be playing it for your first time. I mentioned Demise and you're like, who the hell is Demise? Okay, I don't wanna tell you. I'm just saying that there's a potential that plays a big role in this game, potentially. Don't know, but it might not even be that. It could just be other things that actually link back to Breath of the Wild but also back to Skyward Sword coming back. There could be a lot of crazy stuff here. And I feel like at this point, this is where we get into what's gonna happen at the 35th anniversary, what are we gonna hear about Breath of the Wild 2? We'll start with Breath of the Wild 2 because that's the game everyone's most excited about in general, you know. We can debate all day about is Skyward Sword HD worth 60 bucks, whatever. We know Breath of the Wild 2 is going to be because it's a brand new Zelda game. So, couple things I wanna touch upon. Do we think the Amiibo from Skyward Sword is going to have a unique functionality in this game? Maybe similar to Wolf, maybe similar to Epona. And what does that functionality be? I'm gonna throw this to Jesse because I already know he has an idea that I totally agree with. Oh yeah, we touched on it a little bit earlier but the Loftwing Amiibo since the very beginning when we were all just imagining what Skyward Sword HD could be before it was officially announced and what possible Amiibo functions could come because Twilight Princess HD had such, whenever they first mentioned it, it had such amazing potential. Oh, you get Wolf Link here and a lot of people remember when Breath of the Wild was first mentioned, they said they didn't wait to think of it as a multiplayer game. So then some people were thinking, could you play along as Wolf Link while the other person plays as Link? But that's getting a bit off topic but just the potential there. If you take that potential and you bring it to Skyward Sword HD and Breath of the Wild 2, then if it allows you to get a Loftwing or maybe there's already Loftwings but it unlocks the Crimson Loftwing that belongs to Link that's supposed to be really rare and special because I think the original hero had a Crimson Loftwing or something like that and maybe, who knows? Like that's just my dream fantasy crossover function between those two games with the Loftwing Amiibo and I really liked the idea that you mentioned earlier about having the multicolored Loftwing kind of like how they had the multicolored Yoshi Amiibo as well. Yeah, and obviously in that dream scenario that kind of infers there's flight in Breath of the Wild 2, which we haven't glided in already in Breath of the Wild 1. So is it technically there is flight, by the way, with an abusive mechanics in Breath of the Wild 1. And there's even the part where you're sailing across with, not Rivali, but Tiba, Tiba, whatever his name is, to get to the Divine Beast. Yeah, so there's already a close enough to flight thing, to example. And some people, well, when flight break the game. I don't know that it would really break the game. I know that you could argue if, you know, well, it breaks climbing, right? Because they could put in some limitations or something like you have to jump off a high cliff or a flight to happen. Like you can't just take off with a bird in the middle of a field. You have to be on a higher ground. That could be a thing. So then that forces you to stop the climb. Maybe flight's only usable in certain situations, certain areas. Maybe there's a whole sky world that's going on that we don't even know about and that's where all the flight is. There's a whole bunch of different ways that can induce flight. It doesn't have to be with loft wings. It could be through a different mechanic. But then loft wing is a bonus way to fly if you have the Amiibo. The idea that I thought of to kind of limit the whole, it takes the fun out of exploration is, one, you've already explored 99% of high roll except for what's already gonna be changed. And they could make it to where, like a Pona in Ocarina of Time, she acted like she was too scared across the bridge to go into high roll or too scared to go into the Lost Woods or Cookery Forest. So it could be to where the loft wing just turns around if you get to an area that you're not supposed to go to yet or an area that's not been explored or unlocked on your map, like when you use the Sheikah Towers. So it could be something like that. Yeah, and for people wondering, well, I mean, what about flight? There is rumors galore or speculation, I guess it's not rumors, speculation that, and that reveal trailer for Breath of Wild 2 that potentially Hyrule Castle is about to go skyward. We don't know if it's going under. We don't know if it's going up. It's moving. That's what we know. And it moves in a way that reminds people of an event in Skyward Sword, which is why people think it might be going up. And if it's going up, what's the chance we're going up to? How else are you gonna get there? So that's another reason why some people think flight is gonna be involved in some way, potentially to return to loft wings. So we'll see. We'll see what happens with that. I think that's a very, that would be nice added functionality. If it, you could still fly in the game, but this is just an additional way to fly. No loft wings, only giant cannons. Yes, only giant cannons. Oh my gosh, that reminds me of what? Secret of Mana, where they travel across the map, shooting you out of cannons. Mario 64. Mario 64 too, yeah. Hey, jump in the cannon, shoot yourself and fly across it. Sorry, I played a game that predated Mario 64. My bad. Am I too old school for you guys? Ha! My second favorite game of all time is cannon travel. Come on. You literally... Isn't there a game that had a giant beanstalk though? Yeah, beanstalk. Well, yeah, there probably was. Probably in several games. Maybe Minish Cap. Everything in Minish Cap felt giant though. Oh, bring back the magic beans from Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask. Oh, there we go. That's how you get up there. Little elevator ride on a leaf. Have a good day. Yep. I was only joking, but this actually could work. Someone's gonna be like, look, the same mechanics from Breath of the Wild there, right? Okay, cool. Oh, do we have an ability that's kind of like, it's kind of like Magnesis? Okay, cool. Do we have Atroc Balloon? So cool. You guys fly with a new method. Right? I'm breaking mechanics and flying my own way. I'm taking one of those carts, one of those little coal carts all the way up to the sky. Mine cart to the sky. Yeah. Mine cart, yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah. Flabs of metal with the mine cart on top of it. Yes, yep. So besides that wishful thinking functionality, I obviously think it'll drop Skyward Sword outfits and random items just like all the other Mibos. But this is like in a dream scenario where there happens to be flight. I mean, it makes a lot of sense. Bring Lofwing's back like you brought Epona back. Maybe there are Lofwings, but it brings Link's Lofwing, right? But then again, it, is this gonna be another functionality again that we're gonna be complaining about because it's locked behind a damn Amiibo? I don't care. Okay, so as long as you can already fly in the game, I'm not gonna complain because it's not replacing what the game does. It's just like a neat reference, like Epona. You don't need Epona in the game. Right, right. Yeah, if they go that route, then yes. There's other horses, you're fine. But it's neat to have that reference in the game. Oh, I have Epona, that horse I remember. So yeah, maybe like Jesse said, it unlocks the Crimson. Yeah, so I said like what if Lofwings are actually already there, which would make sense. And again, that would be a huge Skyward Sword thing. And then here you go. You just get Link's old Crimson one because that was a unique Lofwing. Yeah, that'll work that game. I feel like I'm spoiling too much of this game. Even if Breath of the Wild 2, like the base game didn't have the Lofwing, but then the DLC pack, like the Champions Ballad and everything, had a Lofwing part of it, just like the original Breath of the Wild had the Master Cycle in the Champions Ballad. Even something akin to that to where you don't necessarily have to buy this Amiibo that even if you have the money to go get it and you're willing to buy it, you may not be able to find it anywhere. So even if you can't do that, then you could still purchase it as part of this larger DLC pack. Also, guys, they put the Master Cycle in Zelda officially. It's canon. So anything's possible at this point. I just put the Fly of Plane this next game. Master Cycle Amiibo. Dude, can we imagine Dogfights? Dogfights in Zelda. Hey, that is sick. I'm Lofwings. No, Lofwings are all angry, so you're shooting the Lofwings from here. Oh, man. Imagine them just rushing after you like the Cucos. Oh, my God, like the Cucos? Oh, man. Oh, man. Threaten the sediments of each other. With the Master Cycle, that's another thing that I bring up when someone mentions that a Lofwing would completely take away exploration. It's like one Nintendo already lets you warp anywhere that you've already been to by going to the Sheikah Towers. Two, in the DLC, they give you the Master Cycle to let you just speed through everything. And three, it gives you an item to where you can literally place it anywhere you want to constantly go back and forth to any specific location. If those don't take away exploration, then I don't know what does. Yeah, and guys, there's stamina in the game. They could have, like, if you think about the horses, right, you're gonna leave him so many times before they slow it, slow it down. It's possible that, hey, Lofwing's gonna have stamina too and can only fly for a certain amount of time and then they have to land. So, like, there's ways to limit this that's gonna encourage you. Like, think about it. Horses, Master Cycle, makes zooming across things really great, but how many of us got off those damn things and climbed and just found shorter paths by exploring? That's still gonna be a thing just because you could fly for a little bit and there could even be a cooldown, right? Like, maybe don't break the Lofwing, but you can't use it for five minutes, right? Like, there's five minute periods where, okay, you were flying for five, now you're done for five. But they have to make sure that they absolutely scream that it's available. Like, you know, they did what the champion's powers in the breath of life. Yeah, they have to absolutely yell at you that it is ready to go. Well, blah, blah, blah, it's ready to go. Going off of what Nate mentioned, being able to limit it, similar to the horse, even if it gives you just three, I don't know what to call it, like flaps of the wings or whatever, then maybe it takes off and gets this high as Ravalli's scale would normally get you and then it'll glide downward just like the normal paraglider does, but every time you press the button, it flaps the wing and makes it go up higher. That way you can use it to fly around, but you're only gonna be flying for like maybe 30, 45 seconds at the most. So again, there are ways to handle this, and I just wanna give a shout out to everyone in the chat. I've been kind of glancing at the chat as we go and there's been a lot of really great discussion going on, as always. We have a wonderful community that's really passionate about video games, Zelda, Nintendo, pretty much anything. I just wanna give you guys a shout out. I know a lot of people commenting on our set. Yes guys, this is essentially the E3 set. There's gonna be, there's one item for the set that's not here yet, and there's something special that happens during E3 every single day that we're not gonna reveal to you right now because I want it to be a surprise. I want you guys to be shocked when it happens. And obviously the set- Your back wall is falling down and it reveals you're actually in high roll. Yes. Just wait, just wait. And I know the set is a set up completely perfect. This is our first dry run of it. And yeah, we have the ticker going on. We'll see if we keep the ticker or not. I kind of like that. And yeah, if you're wondering back here, all these items, these are items for the giveaway. During E3 and that pile is gonna keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And this is just the physical items. I don't even wanna get into my spreadsheet of digital items right now, okay? Let's just not even go there. I can barely look at it. I get so lost in game codes and eShop codes and just codes for, I don't know. Maybe there's a code in there to get all the Korok seeds without having to go get the Korok, no there isn't, but. That'd be interesting. Also I gotta give a shout out while I stopped here for a moment to acknowledge a chat. We did have a couple super chats come in that I just wanted to bring up. Gibbs did a $5 one earlier, mentioned a good Ganondorf theory is real. Very interesting on the good Ganondorf theory. Possible. It's not, you know. We're not gonna deep dive into the theories on that, to that level today. But I do have plans in a post E3 world to, especially in the lead up to Breath of Loud too, to have a all theory cast. Which I'm gonna try to grab every Zelda theory YouTuber I can. And we're just gonna blow your minds with a whole bunch of stuff that probably isn't real, probably isn't legit theories, but we're gonna do it anyways, cause that's what we do. Game Over Jessie knows all about it. I don't, been covering this stuff for years, been doing theories forever. Can't wait for an all theory cast. The fault you just had. Yeah. I wanna say, I know I'm interrupting you. No, interrupt me. But it's important, yeah. The idea you had, keep it in mind. Remember it. Lock it in. Lock it in. Is that a leak? Is that an exclusive leak from Game Over Jessie? No, it's just a good idea. Just like Monday, that happened Tuesday. That was one day off. I didn't, that's just what I was told. I'm just saying, he was one day off, but it was Zelda related. Now he's telling me to lock it in. I'm saying, the hints are a bound when it comes to Game Over Jessie. Never know what he's kind of bullshitting, or what he's kind of like, yeah, I'm gonna give you a legit hint, but moving on. Yeah. We also had a super chat commit from Taker610 for $5 who said, you have to refuel the loft wing like the master cycle. Here are some ancient screws, yummy, yummy, bean-based dishes, provide extra jet-like thrusts. All right, get the hot peppers in there too. Oh yeah, there you go. Spicy peppers. But that goes reverse. It goes reverse. And Eric, Eric asked, thank you for the $5 as well. I'll get to your comment in a moment, because we need to now talk about overall Zelda 35th anniversary stuff. Okay, we talked a lot about speculation on the Skyward Sword's possible involvement with Breath of Light 2, but let's get to the 35th anniversary in general, because Eric asks us a very great question, and he wants to know specifically from Game Over Jessie, since he seems to be the originator, as far as I can tell anyways, having followed us closely of the talk around this, because he wants to know is Ocarina of Time HD real, and when? Grezzo would be the most likely company to be doing it. They have a history of always working on a Zelda game. They have never not been working on a Zelda game as far as their history. Yeah, since the first games. And every, at the, all of the past anniversary, so the 25th anniversary, they released two or three games at the 30th anniversary. They had two or three games, and now it's the 35th anniversary. So if you take all of that in, and you look at the games that have yet to have an HD remake, then it says, yeah. So that's just the facts. Not taking any speculation or rumors or anything like that. That's just laying out the facts, so. So now, what about the rumors? That's what people want to know. The rumors is, there's been some other leakers that have been told to expect Ocarina of Time. I think the person that said to expect Wind Waker and Twilight Princess just recently also said to expect Ocarina of Time. It was a few weeks ago. I've been talking about Jeff, bro. Jeff Grubb was the first person who said, he's just definitively said, God, this was like three weeks ago, he definitively said, we're getting the Wind Waker and Twilight Princess, he has a switch, it's happening. The person I'm thinking of said it like literally the day of or the day after the Nintendo Direct that happened in February or January. Sure, okay. That person, yeah, so that person recently said to expect that Ocarina of Time and matured his mask. And I know before that, there was a few leakers that said to expect Ocarina of Time. And then it was like a week or two before that. In an email, someone who was going over Breath of the Wild 2 stuff told me that they had seen Ocarina of Time stuff, but not Ocarina of Time HD, just Ocarina of Time for Switch stuff. And Nate, I think you mentioned on either your podcast or mine about how some of the games, whenever they're completely redone, I think you used Link's Awakening as an example, they don't put HD after it, they just give it the original title. Was that you that mentioned that? Yep, for Zelda in particular, yep. Yeah. I mean, it's a one game example. Yeah, but it was Grezzo. And that's the thing, like if Grezzo is doing it, a logo that just says Ocarina of Time, that kind of makes sense. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's been a lot of rumors out there about this. Now, personally, and this is where we're getting like, how do we fit the 35th anniversary that's gonna be handled, right? So like, okay, Skyward Sword Chopper in July. So like, what's next? Okay, well, I still firmly believe the Breath of the Wild's coming out this year. Samus Hunter confirmed to me that she heard at the very beginning of this year that 2021 is the date and it was one of their final games of 2021. So I think November, December, somewhere in there. So they're holiday game, which okay, if it's coming out, it'd be in the holiday game along with Pokemon somewhere in there. And she mentioned specifically, the reason we don't have a release date for Pokemon is because that release date was contingent on when Zelda's coming out, because they don't wanna overlap them in the same week. Makes sense, okay? Big releases, you're gonna want at least a month if not three weeks apart. Got it. So that's according to Samus Hunter now. She said she hasn't heard anything since then, but as she's mentioned in the past, when it comes to Breath of the Wild 2, kind of like mums the word at Nintendo. Oh yeah. Mums the word, like build each other things maybe, but they try to be pretty quiet about that game. Because that's like a fireable offense game. Oh, I'm sure they have plenty of- You tell someone, oh yeah, we're working on Mario Maker 2 or we're working on a new Super Mario Party. Okay, fine. Yeah. You tell people details about Breath of the Wild 2, a very story-driven game, yeah. Well and I'm sure like we've kind of talked about in the past that they have these things kind of split up well enough that they can find the parts of the team that are working on this specific thing that makes it very easy to narrow down or completely just go, this part of that team is gone and you don't want to screw other people over. So you're going to kind of keep your mouth shut. Well my thought process is too, if you think about all the leaks, all the rumors we've had over the last couple of months, because there's been a lot. None of them have been like necessarily story details or about really heavy story-driven games. You think about all the Kirby stuff. That's not even a leak. They factually said they're working on a new Kirby game and they're trying to make it the greatest Kirby ever made. Okay, that's actually a thing, but then we don't know really much else, right? We're hearing about Donkey Kong. Don't know anything really about it. Is it 2D? Maybe. Is it 3D? Maybe. There's a conflicting report. Who really knows? We hear about New Mario Party. We hear about a new Mario Kart or Nintendo Kart or whatever it is, some sort of new racing game. Okay, but none of those games are story-driven. So like you hear all those exist, of course they exist. Cool. But Zelda Breath of the Wild 2 is a story-driven game. It's one of the few Nintendo has where story is a big part of the leaks. And we have had some probably fake leaks come out that even mentioned the story. Hello, Breath of the Darkness. Let's just say, pretty obvious that that's a fake leak. I don't know that we've ever had a Zelda title officially leaked before, have we? I'm trying to think back. I might have to give more to Jesse. Go back a moment. I don't think a title's ever leaked. In the history. As far as I can remember, Skyward Sword didn't. Twilight Princess didn't. Wind Waker didn't. Majora's Mask didn't. Breath of the Wild didn't. The Green of Time didn't. Yeah, Breath of the Wild didn't. Even on the Lanyards at E3, that was all about Breath of the Wild. They just said the Legend of Zelda. They didn't even let the Lanyards create a leak. So, yeah, I've been covered in Zelda guys for like 20 plus years. Yeah, it goes right up. Almost 23 years. Right up until the official names released. A link to the past was Zelda 3. Ocarina of Time was Zelda 64. Wind Waker was New Zelda, GameCube, whatever it was. Majora's Mask was Zelda Gaiden or Zelda DD. Twilight Princess was, they called it the Legend of Zelda Tentative Title. It was like the official name that Nintendo gave. And then Skyward Sword was Zelda Wii. And even that people thought was gonna be related to Twilight Princess because the original artwork that had Phi standing to Link's back with him turned around. It was in the Twilight Princess art style, not Skyward Sword. And then, yeah, I don't think a title for Zelda has ever, ever leaked. Yeah, so when you hear leaks that has the title, be very, very skeptical that it's like 99% if there's a title in it, it's fake. If there's story details, it's probably fake. The only time I remember even story details really getting out that ended up holding some weight was back when I worked at Zelda Informer. We broke a story about, and again, this has to do with Skyward Sword, so I don't wanna spoil the story for you guys. We broke a story about some of the high school-like drama that happens in that game between Zelda, Link, and Groose. And none of that was actually talked about at E3. But we had a person there on the show floor that year who got to talk to one of the employees at Nintendo of America and asked him a question out of nowhere and the employee just literally opened up and told him, you can't say who I am, but this is like, here's some details I know that I've worked on. And it's like, that came from a guy working in the Nintendo booth. And you're like, a lot of people working in Nintendo booths are like, okay, those are mostly just people they hire for the internet. They only know about the demo. There are a handful of them to actual Nintendo booths. But there are actual Nintendo employees in the booth as well. They usually aren't gonna be the people you get to interact with though. Most of the people that hire are male and female models. Our friend, Holly, who's been on your podcast, right? She has a couple of friends that have been booth people for Nintendo on a few different years. Yeah, so this is one of those situations where I feel like, okay, so an actual Nintendo employee that's on the floor because they are. And if you're wondering who the Nintendo employees are, they're the ones that are walking around in the background, not talking to anybody. Because they're the ones kind of making sure people are doing their job. That's basically what they're doing. They're not there to talk to people. Or they're speed walking time and time. And people doubted at the time, because again, when story details had never really come out before, people doubted it, the game came out and that was when Zelda Informer blew up as a website when I was running it. We blew up over that story because nobody else had it. And it turned out we were right. And it gave the site so much credibility. And I'm like, don't ever expect this again. We got super lucky. This doesn't happen, okay? I don't know why. Maybe they were a fan of the website. I have no idea, but we got very lucky. And I'm guessing that employee may not work at Nintendo anymore if I had to guess. We're probably planning on quitting within the next two weeks. Yeah, maybe. Maybe they had a new job in the line and they're like, yeah, we don't really care. Don't put my name out there because I don't want to be like associated with it and I might lose my new job, but yeah. So that was kind of one of the few times I remember anything ever getting out. Otherwise, it's fun to talk about the title leaks. It's fun to talk about the story leaks. I sometimes do it and I tell everyone right away, this is like 99.9% fake. Possible, it's right, but it's probably not. But it's fun to talk about it because we have a game of worthwhile too where we don't know anything or don't know much. I mean, Endler's Entire is a video's other. Everything we know about Breath of the Wild too and it's basically here's the trailer and then here's some faint quotes over the years that are so vague. They don't really know what they mean. So like we don't really know anything more than what's in the trailer and then what's in the trailer is still 99% speculation. I think the two main E3 quotes from Alanuma and other people was that it was going to be darker than Majora's Mask, the darkest Zelda game. And a lot of the developers took a lot of influence from the new Red Dead Redemption game and it's like what does that even mean? That game is so different from Zelda. Like what the hell is that? Like what? Are we gonna have realistic footprints and snow now or something that compresses the snow down and stays there the whole game? At least with Breath of the Wild when he took a lot of inspiration from Skyrim, you knew what that meant. Like two adventure RPG-ish games. You can see where Zelda or Breath of the Wild went from Skyward Sword being so linear to being so open like Skyrim. So you get that. But what does Red Dead Redemption? Like what is, what does that mean? Right out of course. The only thing I can think of is there's a lot of interviews. Yeah, exactly. There's a lot of interviews back with Ocarina of Time, with Link getting Epona and Lon Lon Ranch and then the minigame section where you're shooting all the stuff in the old Kekariko Village or whatever. There's a lot of interviews where they talk about how big of a fan of American westerns Miyamoto is. So that's the only thing that I can think of that relates from Zelda to that. So maybe that means Miyamoto might have a larger role with this game. And he wanted to take inspiration from the western, who knows? Yeah. Maybe they introduced guns in the Breath of the Wild too. Yeah. I mean Mario and Noah has an arm cannon. Yeah. And Twilight Princess did have the Zuka. Oh yeah, you have to get that. Yeah. And plus we had that whole Link's crossbow training. So I'm, yeah, I don't really know. Link's sniper training. Zelda's 35th anniversary, E3. What do we think is actually going to get talked about? Are they gonna drop everything there? Like they, cause if you think about it, when they announced the 35th anniversary of Mario, they gave us everything. They just dropped it all. Boom, there's the bombshell. Here's everything you're getting during the 35th anniversary plus additional merchandise that we're not really gonna talk about. Yeah, we didn't know there was gonna be two pin set runs. That was, you know, that was kind of a surprise but that might have been because the first one was so popular they decided to do a second. Who knows? But for the most part, we knew all the game. Every game that was coming out, we knew. Right, we knew. Did you count Mario Golf? No, I don't count Mario Golf as part of it. I think that was just a standard. They were always gonna release it this year. Has nothing to do with 35th anniversary. I'm kind of like, I feel like Mario, what was it, Paper Mario last year. I think that was just a standard game that was always gonna come out last year. Well, the thing with that was, there was a lot of people who said that it leaked. And then because it leaked, Nintendo announced it early instead of along with the thing. Well, there's also stories that the 35th anniversary was gonna originally be at E3 last year and then it didn't happen. There's a lot of what ifs last year, right? There's a lot of, we don't really know because COVID really messed everything up. But do we think they're going to drop everything they have at E3? Yeah, do we think like, not that they're gonna have future directs and talk about more things and advertise the games more? Like I literally think they're gonna have potentially a Zelda focus, maybe even a Skyward Sword focused, something happening in July to help push that game. But do we think they're gonna drop the whole bomb like they did for 35th anniversary of Mario? Or do we think we're gonna get a couple of things? We're gonna see Breath of the Wild. We're gonna see more Skyward Sword. No, okay, that's kind of obvious. We're going to see, I don't know, maybe a Zelda 35 or something. And that's it. Or do we think they're gonna drop the bomb? And we're gonna get like 20 straight minutes of Zelda goodness. That's full of a bunch of announcements. The Ocarina of Time, The Majora's Mask, The Wind Waker, you know, with a release, tentative release slate plan over the next six to 10 months. What do you guys think? Someone take the reins on this, come on. Go ahead, Jesse. Okay, I think we will get more on Skyward Sword, obviously. I think we will get a good amount on Breath of the Wild to not too much, maybe like a trailer and then a tiny bit of gameplay or some details of the album that's coming in. Question, question. Do you think there's gonna be a demo played by Treehouse? That's like a, that was a huge thing that pushed the first game out. There's no playable demo publicly, but I'm saying, well, Treehouse. I have like four hours of that at E3. Yeah, so I'm like, I think we're gonna get more about Breath of the Wild 2 than we've ever got, more than just a teaser trailer. But it's kind of like, if they have a playable demo, that's just, even just by Treehouse. I mean, that alone probably means at least an interview with Iggy. And I'm gonna sit down while they play the demo and that's gonna give us details. I don't know, I'm just like, do we think they're gonna play the game at E3? I could see it, because that makes a huge difference in the coverage. Like they could drop a trailer and a few details and then be like, yeah, but we're gonna play it later on Treehouse. And that's where we get the interviews. That's often where we get the nitty gritty. And that's what I'm interested about the E3 is it's not in person, but they're still in media week. And I'm wondering if all the outlets are gonna get a chance to interview like Shigeru Miyamoto, Eji Anomal and all the rest during that media week to drop those interviews after E3. Because those interviews always are where we get so many details that people don't even pay attention to half the time because they don't realize how many things they actually fundamentally talk about in those interviews during E3. It's so- After thinking about it, I think there's a good chance they will because Pokemon will kind of stick to their own thing. And other than that, Nintendo doesn't really have any other big games- That we know. That we know about. Yeah, that we don't know about. All right, go on then. Go on, so Breath of the Wild 2, okay? Yeah, so Skyward Sword stuff and then Breath of the Wild 2 stuff. One remake or remaster, like Ocarina of Time or whatever. And then maybe after, so we get like a hint at the next remake or remaster. And then after Skyward Sword releases, then you get another direct or announcement. Kind of like what they did yesterday with Skyward Sword's Amiibo trailer or the Age of Calamity where they just announced it on Twitter. And it'll be for more details on whatever that Ocarina of Time HD or whatever it's gonna be is, but then it'll also be the Wind Waker and Twilight Princess or Majora's Mask. And then like after Skyward Sword, then like the Flood Gate will kind of open up. And then it won't be all through this year, but then maybe like two remakes or remasters come this year and then two come early next year, like January or February. And that's how I see it. And then maybe even that weird, crazy, who knows what's going on with the crazy Zelda mobile phone thing that they said they were going to do. Yeah, well, hopefully that's still going on. I mean, I think for normal Zelda, but like they have entire teams dedicated to mobile, so. Yeah, and I think that would be released around the same time Breath of the Wild 2 would release. That way, because Breath of the Wild 2 would be the biggest thing to build up hype and popularity for Zelda. And they would want to release the mobile game when it would be the most hyped and most popular. That way, it could kind of feed off of the hype from Breath of the Wild 2. I have a different take on that. Okay. I think they're going to release the mobile game months before Breath of the Wild 2. Look at all the other mobile games that they released. All of them came months before new games came out. So like if you line up their releases, it's kind of like Fire of the Heroes, Fire of the Three Houses. Mario Kart Tour, potentially a new Mario Kart game coming. So I feel like if they're going to drop that app, if it's ready, of course, the big thing is that even ready to go. But if it is, I feel like that could be a drop that happens during E3. They could literally just shadow drop the app right during E3. So I feel like it'd be more like that. Because if they're just talking about Zelda, everyone's going to be hyped just seeing the Breath of the Wild 2 stuff, seeing the Skyward Sword, drop the app, give people something to play right now, right this second, right now on your phone during E3, which maybe I should prepare for that. Because right now I don't have a setup in my setup to stream my phone playing the game. It's god dang it. So now I'm going to have to add another more complication to my setup on the off chance to turn the box of mobile game during E3. Better to think of it now than we scrambled to try to do it during E3. Oh my gosh. I'm going to be like, okay guys, you see this? Let me hold my phone up and play it, look at your camera. You could do the thing where you like emulate a mobile phone on your computer. Yeah, there's ways to do that, I know. But I have a very complex setup to make that work. I do, I could in theory, run this other computer through my other capture card. But the switch is going to be running through that too. I don't know, I'll figure it out. It's going to be, it'll be insane if I have to try to play a mobile game during E3. But that's my thought on that anyways, is that they're going to drop the mobile game during E3. I don't know that, again, there's no evidence. They haven't taught, there's like one reference to this thing that exists in the entire world. They haven't said a word since. People are like, wait, there's a Zola mobile, yeah, yeah. They mentioned it like once, it was like last year, something like it, it was a while ago. At least three years. It was before Animal Crossing came out. Cause they said they were going to start on it after Animal Crossing. Yeah, and that was a long time ago. So it could have got canned. Maybe it's just taking that long to make. I haven't heard about it since. And that happens a lot, we hear about things. A little wee vitality sensor. And then we actually see the physical thing and it never comes out. So it's one of those things that, it could just be like those patents that are out there, you know, just because Nintendo patent and it doesn't mean anything's going to happen. So Eric, your thoughts, what do you think they're dropping at the 35th? Are they even going to say Zola 35th anniversary? Let's like start there. I want to say what they're going to do, what I think they're going to do. Not what I'm necessarily hoping they do. Go with what they're going to do and then go with what you hope. Right. So what I think they're going to do is obviously the two that we talked about, Skyward Sword, Breath of the Wild 2. And then what I think they're going to do is on the day that Skyward Sword or right in that time period, whether it's, you know, depending on what day of the week that is, because they'll do basically a Zelda Direct where they will announce the rest of the stuff. Basically, they're going to say, you know, they're going to show Skyward Sword, they're going to show Breath of the Wild and then say tune in on X date for more information of Zelda stuff to come. Is what I'm really thinking they're going to do, which will suck because I mean, I'm starting to get into this. I'm starting to get on the hop on the Zelda train. So, you know, having these games available will be the sooner the better. But, you know, it's what I think they're going to do and what I hope they're going to do I think are going to be two totally different things. Two totally different things. Okay. And sorry, let me also, I also think that once we find out how long Nintendo's presentation is, that also might be some indication on, you know, whether they're going to talk about it or not, because if they have a gigantic time slot, then yes, I could see them talking about the 35th anniversary. If they have, you know, just, you know, like half hour, 45 minutes, an hour, they may not want to spend all that much time dedicated to talking about just the one franchise. So I think it also depends on the length of time of Nintendo's presentation as well. To see whether or not we can, you know, have the presentation of the 35th anniversary in there as well. Hmm, okay. So, I'm just going to go the opposite of everyone. They're dropping the bomb. And I'm not trying to like be disingenuous and get people falsely hyped for this because I'm always going to expect, we're only going to get what we know. And that's, that's like my, in my mind, my basic, we'll see Breath of Art too. We'll see Bayonetta 3. We'll see, I don't know, maybe Metroid Prime 4. Well, we're just going to see games that are already announced. So that way, when other stuff is announced, I'm not maybe caught off guard because of the rivers and leaks, but I'm happily surprised. So this is the cynic in me being like, like just like with Skyward Sword, not thinking there's anything different. It's like, hey, I'd rather think that way internally, but I'm going to let my hopes and dreams come out because the last 35th anniversary they did, they blew us out. So until they stopped doing that, I'm just going to expect them to blow us out again. See the phone app. Drop the phone app during E3. Breath of the Wild 2. Big blowout, big feature on it, big feature on Nintendo Treehouse coming this year. We get, I would say a little bit more on the Skyward Sword HG because I don't think there's going to be much new. I don't think they're going to touch about it much, but I think they are going to mention, specifically when they're talking about Breath of the Wild 2, that there are, they're going to show something about Breath of the Wild 2 that's directly connected to Skyward Sword. And they're going to mention that on screen. And by doing that, that alone is the biggest advertisement to buy a Skyward Sword HG that can exist. That you need to play it to understand this that's happening in the Breath of the Wild 2. Boom. That's the big ad for Skyward Sword. They're not going to need to show a lot of Skyward Sword. So, but they will show it. They will touch upon it. They'll at least be in a tease for the 35th anniversary. They will have a 35th anniversary logo. That's like a given. They are going to have something for Nintendo Switch Online. I don't know if that something is going to be Zelda 35, but something they're going to announce that's going to come later this year, maybe October-ish somewhere in there, kind of like they did with Mario 35. I should exactly did that with Mario 35. It was like October 1st of last year. Then I think, okay, so what about the other games that are floating? Twilight Princess HG, Wind Waker HG. Those games are coming next year. Those games are dropping, I think as a combo pack in February. And they're going to argue we can do this and charge 60 bucks for Skyward Sword because we already HDed and re-released these games. So, it's even more minimal work to bring them here. So, we're going to justify packaging them together and giving them to you next year. Now, I'm going to talk about Majora's Mask. This is where I break hearts. Don't think they're actually being remade. I think Grezzo, though, is working on a unique, brand-new, top-down Zelda game that will get teased at E3, but it won't be coming out during the 35th anniversary. They will tease it and say, hey, Zelda exists beyond the 35th. You know, be sure to tune in next year, 2022. And it's going to be like a late 2022 or summer game or something like that. I don't think the game's going to be ready in time, but I think that's what Grezzo's been working on. People might think I'm crazy. Grezzo just didn't think it's awakening. They also were the main developer behind Triforce Heroes, which is a unique Zelda game. So I think they will be working on a unique top-down Zelda game after the awakening that's not quite ready, but they want to tease it. They want to let people know we did not forget about top-down Zelda during the 35th anniversary. They recently had that hiring for the Unity engine that people speculate is Zelda as well. Yep, yep. So again, I think they're going to have something unique there. I could be wrong. They are like the Zelda remake studio, but or remaster studio, whatever you want to call. But still, I think they're going to get a lot of freedom after what they did with Link's Awakening and be allowed to make their own top-down game. And they're going to essentially become the top-down Zelda team because there isn't one more Nintendo. As far as we're aware. Didn't mean to interrupt you. I was going to say that's what they did with Capcom to where they started out doing remakes or remasters and then they were able to do Minish Cap. See, things are lining up, this is the possibility. Now, this doesn't mean that Ocarina Time and Majora's Mask are going to be forgotten. They're not going to be. In fact, I don't think other older Zelda games are going to be forgotten as well. I think Nintendo's announcing the virtual console changes at E3. And they're going to kick it off by at the end of the Zelda anniversary saying, hey, we are going to re-release Ocarina Time and Majora's Mask, but we're going to release them in up-resed versions through our brand new virtual console and then they're going to burst into that as like a segue out of the 35th anniversary announcement. And then they're just going to get people even more piped for everything else going on. That's not just Zelda. Also, the strut off, I say, pretty much every Zelda game ever made is already here right here on Virtual Console. Not everyone, they won't have like Wii or GameCube or something like that, but everything through like 64. And including the handhelds up through the 64 generation. See if they go Game Boy Advance. It'd be nice if they did. Get some Minish Cap out there and all that, but. Yeah, that's, again, that's like a mega hype expedited to even think that virtual console thing is real. But until Samus Hunter starts getting everything wrong, what do you want me to do? Samus Hunter said, one, we're getting Zelda news before E3, something small. Two, we're getting Zelda amiibo. One tweet from Nintendo with a trailer. Boom, both of her things were right again. Just another check, check on the Samus Hunter list. She's got so many checks next to things she said. I counted the other day with this included that's not 65 things she said is gonna happen in the last nine months have happened. 65, guys, at some point this isn't a coincidence. You can say, oh, that was easy to guess. Let me new Zelda amiibo. Oh, it was easy to say there'd be something new Zelda before because we're supposed to get the Hyrule Warriors Age of Calamity DLC. You're right, but it ain't so easy to just casually do this 65 times. I'm just like, at some point, you're either the greatest guesser in the world or you legitimately are getting information. We knew Skyward Sword amiibo was coming. We didn't know if it was gonna be at E3 or not. And we didn't know if it was gonna be, if it did get announced, a lot of people assumed it was just gonna be a tweet with like an image or something, not a full trailer. So even I didn't know. And she did say Skyward Sword Age before it was announced was gonna be the first game announced for the 35th anniversary. It was the first game announced. So they haven't said Zelda the 35th anniversary yet, but she did note that they aren't going to say it when it's announced. They're gonna say it in June. I think she was referencing E3. So we'll see. Again, we'll see what happens. I'm just saying, for some reason, everything she says is right. The only thing that people kind of look at is, oh, she said E3 announced was on the sixth. No, go read her tweets. She didn't say we were gonna get public announcements on the sixth. She said internal documents are gonna start floating around for E3 on the sixth. And based on where she gets her information from, it would make sense that people wouldn't know the plans necessarily. I can't dive into where her source is from. I don't even think Nintendo has their E3 plan set yet. I think that's BS at this point because when we say they don't have their plan set, two weeks is media week. Two weeks is interviews. Two weeks is showing games to specific massive media outlets to do additional coverage during and after E3. They can't not have it set in stone, but in two weeks, we're doing interviews and giving you game demos to play in two weeks and not have things set in stone. I think it's all set. I think my theory is the reason we haven't heard is, and I've said this before, is because we don't know when Microsoft is. We don't know what Sega is. We don't know what any of these companies are because I think it's being announced with the ESA. They're announcing the whole lineup, that one big announcement that each company will do their individual, like additional tweets, like, oh, like, Nintendo's gonna be here and they're doing Treehouse here and then Nintendo will come up and be like, yeah, join us for our thing. And then they'll tease, like, where we're gonna have Breath of the Wild 2 shown up and then be sure to come to, you know, our Treehouse time that, you know, ESA announced and like, because we're gonna have like, you know, a tournament here or something like that. There'll be additional teasing from the companies, but it's going to be announced with the ESA. That's my theory because this is an event, 100% ran by the ESA. And look at how we've gotten the announcements for E3. They announced the initial companies in. Then they did announce, we have even more companies joining. Then they announced, we have hosts for it. Because remember, this is an event put on by the ESA. We always look at, oh, Nintendo Directs. No, the ESA is putting on this event and Nintendo is part of the event. So they have hosts for it. Then they announced the E3 app where, you know, we can go on there and, you know, possibly get additional screenshots. Basically, the press kits is what it basically sounds like. Like we usually could get online. You'll be able to get them right through the app, you know, and stuff like that, which I'm gonna be honest, the E3 app's always sucked. But I mean, if it's a convenient way to get the press kits, I guess that makes it somewhat useful. Especially for people that aren't sitting at a computer to log into the press websites. Plus not everyone knows how to get on them. They're really easy to get on during E3. There's literally a universal name and password that just gets shared around and anyone can get access to. But the general consumer doesn't know that. So I think this is why. E3 says, no, no, we don't want you to draw attention away from our app announcement. We don't want you to draw attention away from our host announcement. We want to announce everything because we're the ones putting on this show and you're paying us to be in our show. Because I guarantee they had to pay for these time slots. So that's why I think the ESA is going to announce it. Now Square Enix jumped the gun. We know what Square Enix is because they jumped the gun. But they did it over a month ago at this point. They announced the day and time they're doing it. Really out there considering nobody else is announced. So, Jesse, I appreciate your opinion. Why do you think that it's not locked in? What's your thoughts on this? Because my old thoughts is it has to be locked in. We're two weeks away from media week. Um, third-party stuff with smaller indie devs and everything. Like the whole sizzle reel stuff they put together. Sure. Yeah, I can see maybe the sizzle reels not. Maybe not done. Maybe they haven't locked in every dev that's going to be part of that. But I think the brux of the show and what they're going to have demos for for media. Which by the way, there will be demos, guys. Just this year, it's literally only media. You're in media week behind closed doors. Unless, who knows, maybe we do get some public demos during E3. Some companies probably will. Quick stop here to shout out some new super chats we had come in over the course of the show here. We had a $1.99 one come in from J.C. Carla Maro, who said they're going to show Game Pass on Switch, L.O.L.J.K. So we're not talking about that on this podcast, but today I dropped a news story that people are focusing on the Skyward Store part. It was a two-part story, guys. Nintendo redacted information in the lawsuit between Epic and Apple when Microsoft got on the stand and talked specifically about XCloud. And the parts that were redacted were the parts that mentioned XCloud and Nintendo Switch. And the reasoning for the redaction, because there has to be a listed reason for it, is Nintendo said that this reveals ongoing discussions between Microsoft and Nintendo. Now, it could be relevant to the case, but they have to redact it for the public, because it's like an insider trade secret. Microsoft kind of went too far bringing it up, is what Nintendo is saying. So in bringing it up, you joke Game Pass on Switch, L.O.L. If we're getting XCloud, who the hell's to say we're not getting Game Pass? I'm just throwing that out there. People have been doubting it. We've seen the switches in the background of Microsoft's videos, and now we see a legal document that Nintendo, who's not even participating in this lawsuit, had their lawyers go in and get redacted before the document was released to the public. So we don't know what Microsoft and Nintendo were talking about when all the conversations around it are about Game Pass and XCloud. So it might sound like a joke. I don't think it's such a joke anymore. Nintendo's legal doesn't get involved if it's a joke. I'm guessing that this might have been a big announcement at E3, by the way. I don't know who's announcing it. I'm sure Microsoft wants to announce it. But maybe, yeah, whatever. I don't know. They bring Reggie back out in Microsoft's conference. I love the Reginator. But I'm just throwing that out there. It's actually not as, like, joking as you might think. There's some legit stuff behind it now. That's not a rumor. It's not speculation. Do they bring Doug Bowser dressed up as Bowser which out on the stage for the Microsoft conference to announce it? Right. There you go. Right. Kind of like when me and Moto came on stage with what? Yeez, Gimot, to announce Mario Plus Rabbids 2. Or Mario Plus Rabbids, the first one. Again, I think there's a second one coming. There's some rumors behind that, too. Taker610 had a $5 Superjack coming in. He said, I thought the upcoming hardware is more PlayStation 4 Pro than PlayStation 5. I wish it was the next gen, because take my money. I want Breath of the Wild 2 as good as it can be. It's not going to be, obviously, PlayStation 5. We're going to talk about the Switch Pro level. Don't want to touch about this too much. Not really a topic for today. Because, one, I don't think Switch Pro is being talked about at E3. Two, there's not really any leaks and information out there about Switch Pro right now. It's kind of died out. Now, that could be the calm before the big announcement. Before the drop. Or it could just be, hey, everything's all focused on what's happening at E3 right now, so nobody's talking about it. So, in terms of how powerful it's going to be, again, we can speculate on that all day. That's a topic for a future episode, but I do appreciate you taking a 6-10. What sucks is, the original podcast I had planned tonight actually was going to have a conversation about that. I'll talk about that towards the end, though, why we had to swap out guests and change gears here. I don't think anyone's complaining, right? We're talking about Zelda. Who complains about Zelda? On my channel, anyways. You, that's it. That's it. The head of might of itself. You punk. And then we had a $10 Super Checkman from midnight in the evening. He said, just stopping by to show some support. Love the set, dude. Also, look at the fancy moving words on the bottom of the screen. Is this the news? So, for those listening to the audio version, we do have like a ticker on the bottom. There is a high possibility that we are going to have headlines coming in there from E3 hot even before we possibly talk about them. Let's just say you might want to turn into NintendoPrime.net as well during our coverage to potentially get news before we talk about it. Or as we talk about it. So what you're saying is we might read news on our own ticker and get excited of our own ticker. I mean, maybe. I'm going to be involved in it. It's going to be kind of weird because I'm going to be here. I'm going to be involved in that but also talk. It's going to be kind of crazy but also watch it to NintendoPrime.net. Let's just say we're going to have some of the headlines coming up. So you don't miss anything. We don't want to miss anything because we're going to be what's happening in the live show and there's always additional things happening. We got to make sure you guys get it all. All of it in one place. That's our goal. So I'm already sweating just thinking how the hell I'm going to manage it all. But you know what? This is what I do, everyone. I mean, everyone thought, oh, the podcast set is nice. How much nicer can a set really look? Ta-da! And this isn't even its final form. Right. We're not even next level yet. Just wait. All right. So I did, again, blowout. All that stuff I talked about. The virtual console stuff. I think that's pretty much going to be the brux of it. I don't think there's going to be too much else talked about. That's already a ton of stuff. They'll probably briefly match a merch. I think they'll be a Zelda Lego set probably. We have a Luigi one coming out. I feel like they'll have a Zelda one. Say it's coming out in January or February. I kind of spaced it out from the Luigi one. I don't know what it's going to be like because they like to do this unique stuff with Lego, which I kind of wish they would just do standard Lego and the unique stuff. But they're just doing the unique stuff. So I think there'll be something unique, some sort of Zelda adventure, some sort of... I don't know because you don't really jump on things. Maybe it'll be like a sensor in the sword and you have to go like this and whack the enemy and that's how it registers a hit. I have no idea. They'll figure it out. It's a top that you spin. And there'll be lots of merchandise. There'll be probably collector's pins as well and all that stuff. By the way, we're not going to get all the merch announced here. There's already actually some new merch that just got announced in Japan. There's some merch in Japan coming officially from Nintendo based on the Kokiri. So that is something that's already happening. So Zelda merch, maybe it's already starting to ramp up before they even announce it. And who knows? The Kokiri stuff might be being announced in this direct for the rest of the world too. So who knows? I love the Kokiri, by the way. Oh, that reminds me. It's for E3 2020 when we can't talk about it. I just can't know everything going on. I've got to keep some surprises in the barrel, in the pipes. Maybe some surprises for Eric's here. We'll see. Like Eric, surprise. Princess Zelda is now your new girlfriend. Here she is. And then it's just my dog coming out from under the table with a wig on. Right? Oh, lord. That's great. All right. Is there anything else about the Zelda anniversary or Zelda stuff in general you guys would like to talk about? Man. Do you think of anything? No. I got nothing. Are you playing Master of Bode in Breath of the Wild? You just beat the game, so are you doing Master of Bode? I am not. Oh, you're not? I've started the game, but I beat the game at like 10, 30, 11 o'clock at night, so I was like, I don't really want to start it. I made dabble in it. I don't think I'm going to actually go through the full thing, but... Have fun with the Lionel in the starting area. Yeah. Have fun with that one. Hooray. Hooray! Korok stuff. Yeah, Kokiri. I meant Korok stuff. Sorry. Thanks for the correction in the chat. It's Korok merchandise, not Kokiri. God. Did they make an actual live golden too? To be fair, aren't the Korok actually the Kokiri anyways? Like, actually? Pretty sure they are. If I remember my Wind Waker lore correctly. Anyways. So, was I really wrong? Yeah. Did they make it a golden poo amiibo? Oh, my God. They just sell Breath of the Wild golden poo. Yeah. It's just a box of poo. No, it's gold-covered chocolate. Oh. Little... Little baby poos. Little candies. Little like, like, like, Kershi's kisses. Yeah. Oh, my God. The things you come up with. Why not? The things you come up with. You know what's gonna be sad? Because E3's not in person, and they might have Breath of the Wild 2 there. We don't get any fly merch. Like any exclusive E3 swag. I know. Ugh. Here's the thing. I don't really care that much about E3 swag. I collect it if it's there, but I don't really like, Oh, my God, I gotta go here to get this guy. But like, if it's Zelda, yeah. Yeah. I don't know what's required to get it. But it's like, we can have a Breath of the Wild 2, like a major New Zelda game show, and like I won't be there to get swag, because there's nothing to get. It's possible that they come up with some sort of stuff you could buy online during E3, but still it's not the same. I think either that or ideas for swag might be mixed in with various pre-order bonuses for Breath of the Wild 2. Now that would be interesting. Because usually pre-order bonuses are limited. You know, to however many units a store has or how many units they have available for pre-orders. Because they'll take more pre-orders usually then than they have that stuff available. Interesting. That's interesting. And anything else Zelda related you could think of game over Jesse, I mean, as if you can't talk Zelda all night. No, the one question I had was, so I think starting with Ocarina of Time 3D, it had pictures in it like posters in random places for Skyward Sword. Twilight Princess had random posters and pictures for Breath of the Wild. Do you think Skyward Sword HD will have any references or pictures towards Breath of the Wild 2? Oh, also Link's Awakening, they put the, what was it? The loft wing statue inside the crane game. So like there's little hints and nods to one of the next. So what was it if they always teased what's next or something, right? They always do it, they always do it. So do you think something like that, like a picture of... Yeah, there'll be something. It might be in Link's bedroom or something. They'll have some sort of tease. Cool. The question is, will it be new? Will the tease be new art that we haven't seen before? Or a new statue or something? The Twilight Princess stuff wasn't. It was the stuff from the first trailer where they showed Link running on the horse and stuff. I don't know. One thing I would like to see is if they changed the Beast guy that you have to get the... What are they called? The star bits? I don't think it's star bits. No, it's the star bits from Galaxy, but there's something different, the gratitude crystals. Yeah, there you go, there you go, yeah. So the guy that you have to get the gratitude crystals for instead of him being like the big Batwing demon, if they made him look more like a zombie Ganondorf from the Breath of the Wild 2 trailer, I think that would be pretty cool. I don't think they will, but I just think it would be cool. Make him look grotesque and stuff, scarier. That's true, that's true. All right, so I guess we can swing gears a little bit so someone did bring up the Switch Pro and that was the original conversation I was going to have tonight. Let's start with the first one. That is Elder Related. Breath of the Wild 2. Does Switch Pro launch alongside it? I hope so. That's... Do we end every statement with a question? Yes. Okay, what if I say Breath of the Wild 2 may launch alongside, or no, the Switch Pro may launch alongside the release of Breath of the Wild 2, but Breath of the Wild 2 will definitely release during the launch of Switch Pro, if that makes sense. Isn't that two ways to say the same thing? No, no, no. If Breath of the Wild 2 comes out for Switch... Oh, you're saying that Breath of the Wild 2 comes out, Switch Pro might come out alongside it, but if Switch Pro is coming out for sure this year, then Breath of the Wild 2 will hit with it. Yeah. But that only really works if the Switch Pro has more than just a game that just upscales or whatever games, if it has its own games exclusively for it. Now a question, and this could be Beyond Switch Pro. What about the idea of a special edition Zelda Switch or Switch Pro? Switch Lite, whatever. That'd be nice. Are we gonna get one? Yes. We got one from Mario. We got one sorta for Metopia, at least a new color. I 100% think so. Now, will it be a Pro, a Lite, or a Base Switch? I think it would be the Base Switch. If it launches with Switch Pro, then I think we would get a Switch Pro Switch model as well, or a Zelda model. Let's see. Okay, don't go ahead. I was gonna say if Twilight Princess HD received the only custom Wii U, even though it was just like the gamepad with like sticker designs on it. Was it Wind Waker? Yeah, pretty sure it was Wind Waker. Yeah, it was Wind Waker. And it came with Hyrule Historia. Hyrule Historia. Yeah, now I remember. But yeah, like if that was good enough to receive the only Wii U custom console, then I think with all the stuff they've had, especially even with Skyward Sword getting Joy-Cons, then I think definitely Breath of the Wild 2 will get its own Switch. I think it would be the normal Switch rather than the Switch Lite as well. So my thought process is, yes, it's gonna be the Base Switch, but they're gonna really confuse consumers because the Switch Pro is still gonna come out when Breath of the Wild 2 does, but they're gonna have a custom base model but not a custom Switch Pro model, making consumers of Zelda get really confused that want pro but then also want the custom model and they end up spending like a thousand bucks this holiday to get Breath of the Wild plus the pro plus another base Switch because my thought process is, you can't have a custom Switch Pro at launch of Switch Pro because that would affect manufacturing. I feel like even though they might guarantee if we make two million of these things for launch, they're gonna all sell. There's still one of those I think just locking down the manufacturing into a consistent model for Switch Pro is more important than custom just like at launch, you know, we only got the neon color joy-cons and the gray ones and that was it. That's what they locked out for manufacturing. They gave us custom switches and custom colors and stuff later. I feel like the same thing here, they're gonna, yeah, special edition regular Switch, but then Switch Pro is just gonna be, I don't even know. I mean it might just be, because the rumors out there in the second half of the year are for enthusiast gamers. First half was to capture the more casual crowd which if you look at the releases, all that lines up except for Machina to Rise, I won't call that a casual crowd game, but I guess if you have Mario Party in the second half that would be a casual crowd game versus whatever, I guess some mallets. The majority was. Yeah, so like, obviously a Switch Pro release would be for enthusiast. I just think it's just gonna be like a basic gray Joy-Cons or something like that. And they're not gonna worry about multiple colors. I mean, especially now during the pandemic, I feel like they're just gonna simplify it as much as they can. Unless, I mean, unless, this is the big unless, I mean, if it has detachable Joy-Cons and they're just the same Joy-Cons, only the tablet's different. In that case, toss on a special edition Switch Pro that has Zelda Joy-Cons or something, right? Even though we just want Joy-Cons. Or even if the dock looks similar as well. That could be anything. Well, the big thing is they have to have a new dock. But it could be the same shell, right? And they're just new internals. And if it's the same shell, then you could already... So I guess, you know, the more you get to do it, the more I guess they can literally have the same back plate on the Switch Pro. And then, you know, just with Pro on it instead of, you know, Nintendo Switch. Nintendo Switch Pro. And I guess, in theory, you could then argue they could... Jesse, you're talking me into it. Yeah. You leaded me. It's one of those... I say one thing and they just... You led the horse to water. You actually made him drink. You led the... Okay, Eric, thoughts? Custom Zelda system? All three. Oh snap! Three. Oh my God, you're going to make me go broke. Because here's the thing. You know, guys, if a Switch Pro is coming, I'm going to give one of those away. I'm going to give all the custom... So like, now you're going to tell me, oh, there's all three. So now I'm going to have to buy a base Switch Pro to give away. Plus a base Switch Pro for myself. Then I got to buy a Zelda edition of all of them for myself. And then I'm going to spend like four grand on giveaways and then just have them for myself. I don't... Take two seconds and think about all the different 3DS Zelda themed models there were. Let's not go there. We're all released at the same time though. They gave me time. Usually a few months to save on. I have a feeling that Breath of the Wild... They're going to feel that Breath of the Wild 2 is a big enough game that they can justify. I'm going to need a big holiday bonus. And here is even my thought process too on this. Is that there may not be in another option of Switch Pro. It might be the only option coming out to begin with. Is only a Zelda? They get away with it though. They totally hate this. Here's the evil thing. So Switch Pro if it released in say September and then the Zelda themed version released in November just in time for Black Friday sales. Oh boy. Oh boy. There was more time between the two but almost like what they did with Breath of the Wild and Breath of the Wild. In this scenario the Zelda one is not even announced before the Switch Pro comes out. It gets announced after. Wow. Because that would be totally Nintendo. Because they're not going to want a rune sale. They're not going to want a rune sale to Switch Pro right away. They're not going to tell you about it. Then they're going to be like, oh by the way we have this special edition one like a month after the Pro comes out. I already can't get Pro. It's already sold out. So what's it matter? That's what people are going to say. Oh my gosh. I can see them doing all three. Just because. So what's the number one? Okay. We all own Switches. What's the number one thing that each of us want to see improved on Switch Pro? Whatever it is. Maybe you just want more power. What's one thing you want to see improved over the current Switch? Controller with the headset jack. Oh you mean like the Fusion Pro Power A controller. We're giving away during E3 $100 controller in the back. Why don't you grab that Eric. Show it off to the people. We're giving away. It does have a headphone jack. Does work wired. Doesn't work wirelessly. However people have gotten Bluetooth to work with wireless audio on the Switch ever since they did that update on Hack Switches which does enable this one to use it wirelessly. So the ability is there and if Nintendo supports it headphone jack on the Joy-Con or controller could lead to Bluetooth support like that. This controller is already ahead of the game if that's the case. Given this bad boy away during E3 $100 maybe. $100 for this bad boy and it could be yours for free. For free? Okay so we got headphone jack from him. What's one thing you want to see fixed or changed? I hate to say it but you got to replace some sort of or upgrade the Joy-Cons. I think we can all agree. What kind of upgrades? Fixing Joy-Con drift. For sure. Obviously whether you can keep the same footprint so you can make them interchangeable back to the base model Switch would be nice but if they are interchangeable Joy-Cons in any sort of capability you got to fix that. My only fear is that Nintendo won't fix it specifically because there are so many lawsuits over drift where Nintendo is legally claiming it doesn't exist. So if they fix it even though it's a whole new model is that pseudo for the lawsuits Nintendo admitting there was a problem in the first place? Ehhh Because these lawsuits are going to take years by the way. There's actual governments suing Nintendo that they could just stumble upon a better way to do it. I mean just because they fixed it doesn't mean that there was anything. Doesn't mean they fixed it. Right. They just improved it. Because if it's not the only improvement to the Joy-Con I don't know what else you can improve but if that's not the only improvement they can argue that it's not specifically just that so it's not you know, fixed. Sure. Yeah. That's... Okay. I think that's the number one thing everyone wants fixed. Now I could talk about more power. I think it's an obvious. I'm going to go with another issue on Switch. It's one that maybe a lot of people might not care about but I'm going to say kickstand. So I'm not a big tabletop user anyways. Most times if I use the kickstand on videos. So it's not really that huge of a deal to me. I'm almost always playing either handheld or dock even when I'm playing to before. I held it. You know, I didn't do the whole remove the Joy-Con to set it on the tray. Plane rides just too bumpy in general even if it had a good kickstand for me to really rely on that plus you're on a plane who knows if the guy in front of you is in the sea and your tray is going to hit you. It's just, I'd rather hold it. I feel safer that way. You know, I understand some people have like tablets they watch movies on and they prop those up. Fair. I guess if the kickstand was that good. But I do want to see it just improved in general because I know my kids have used it in that way and it would be nice if it stopped falling over. It's such a minor thing compared to Joy-Con, compared to a headphone jack I think those are way bigger deals. No, no, no. And you could say Bluetooth audio in general. I almost feel that Bluetooth audio after that last update isn't given. Whatever the next switch is just going to have it. So I don't even think that's something I need to say because I feel like it's obvious already happening. I wouldn't necessarily say that ours are a bigger issue. You know, that is I think just a very underappreciated or under under talked about issue. You know, I still think that there are plenty of people out there that would like to see the the kicks getting improved. It's just not as publicized as you know, everything else because there's no lawsuits to say the kickstand better where Joy-Con drift there is or in the past your controllers had headphone support or these controllers have headphone support. It's something that's been done before. Why isn't it done now? You know, this kickstand thing is relatively kind of new in this kind of sphere I think it's under talked about, not necessarily that it's not a big issue. Sure. Yeah, I mean, there's other things we could talk about as well of course, getting under the bezel, all that jazz, but all right, so we got that on lockdown. Now what's the one thing you hope they don't change about Switch? How do you know the Switch, bro? Hit you guys with that one. I could start if you guys don't have an idea. Alright, go ahead. Okay. I hope and I guess it's more like it's kind of a feature, but I hope they don't change the compatibility of the Switch Pro with current Switch accessories and docks. All Switch accessories, all Switch docks work with it. Now, maybe you don't get the 4K and that's fine. Maybe you only get that with the new dock. But if you're someone like me who has multiple docks, it would be nice if you could still drop the Switch Pro into all of them. It'd be nice if all current Switch accessories be at third party, you know Joy-Con controllers or really anything. The power A control I assume would work because it runs over a Bluetooth, but I'm just saying like all that stuff still compatible with it even if it has stuff that's better that you would normally use. Maybe that's a good one. I don't know that it being compatible with the current dock is a given. But it would be nice if it was. That's my thing. You guys got any ideas? I hope they don't go with the get rid of the detachable Joy-Cons to be completely honest. I know they did it with the light but it is nice to just be able to I mean I don't play it off. What if they gave you a Pro controller in the box? Would that change your mind? Maybe. Because 4 enthusiast. Okay cool. So then what's the number one issue with the normal switch in portable mode besides Joy-Con drift? People have wobbly Joy-Cons. That's where the light kind of feels a bit better in the hand sometimes because it's not wobbly. It doesn't feel like the Joy-Cons are going to fall off. So it's better in handheld as a light but then you lose some functionality. Obviously the tabletop mode the motion control is being able to detach but you also lose the ability to take them off while docked but let's assume this one does but if they gave you the Pro controller it doesn't really matter. By the way there are games that require Joy-Con by the way. Not very many but there are. I mean that's a fair argument and that would kind of lead me to yeah as long as they gave you something quote unquote better option then I guess I can see that but Okay but to a certain extent you buy Joy-Cons you know I want to use them on my pro. No! So yeah like you said it's kind of one of those things that I don't know. Jesse you got one? Yeah at first I couldn't think of anything so I was just going to joke and say the dark mode on the home screen but after thinking about it the width of the thickness of the switch is a good comfortable fit and although you probably wouldn't want to put it in your pocket you still can yeah like if it's absolutely free like if you're carrying things out to the car or something or whatever situation just being able to put it in your pocket to have your hands free without having to set it down somewhere or in a case and zip it back up and then you're still carrying the case you can't put it anywhere so it's the same situation so yeah the width of it the thickness the one thing that I will kind of say with that though is to me when I'm playing my switch to a certain extent I almost feel like I could just snap that thing in half there are times where it almost feels like it's bending in my hands but it would be nice to going back to kind of what I would like to see improved is that feeling that this thing is a little bit more sturdy because I feel like I could just snap it right in half if I really tried and wanted to and that's because of the Joy-Con me and wobbly that's why it feels that way so then an upgraded Joy-Con rail or attachment type of functionality would be nice too yeah we had a $5 Super Chat come in a little bit earlier thank you so much the 8th arc one of our regulars here did a $5 Australian Super Chat and he says would the Breath of the Wild 2 collector's edition bring this back to full circle to the Zelda we've been talking about be just as much of a mess as the Breath of the Wild collector's edition for different regions paid more but have less content thoughts a little background on this I guess because I don't know if Eric knows the full background on this so in the United States we had like two different collector's editions right we had the master edition and then the what was the big one with the statue called master what was it called do you remember Game Over Jesse was it the one was just a collector's edition one was master's edition or something like that let me look up so we had two different versions here and both of them had the same things except the big box one had the master sword statue thing which I still don't have sucks I don't have it they were sold out I did get the other one so I got the coin and the map and the same one collector's edition and master's edition I just looked it up and was collector's edition the big one am I remembering that correctly yeah I had the sword case a CD a map and it came in the big black box and in other territories some of them only had one edition and were missing some of the items some of the ones that had the same items cost significantly more than it did in the United States and I don't know I don't remember the exact details I barely remember the exact details of the North American one so remembering worldwide but this has been an issue with collector's editions from Nintendo for a while and really a lot of companies is variants in what's in them region to region so I'll throw this one to how about Eric do you think they're going to keep this variance going there's going to be different money amounts of different regions combined with literally just different collector's editions where if you actually want everything you're starting to import from everywhere I think part of the money thing though too is because of different governments and how they view video games so Nintendo may not have some of that issues with the pricing point of it but you know I just don't see them again it's one of those things that Nintendo sometimes sticks to Nintendo and so I'm going to say there probably is going to be region um what am I looking for the region um what's the word I'm looking for collector's editions yeah I believe there's going to be the region regional collector's editions just because I think Nintendo is going to Nintendo and just keep doing what they're doing I don't know if they've heard enough quote unquote backlash plus you can because the switch is region free and theoretically order something from a different region I think the worst example of this was I swore wasn't it Hyrule Warriors that had like an exclusive item in Japan with their collector's edition that like I can't remember I can't remember what it was I don't know if it was the watch maybe it was some sort of really big item that just didn't release anywhere else and that really this just happens right because what I've been told behind the scenes is that how these collector's editions come together in different regions is the regions put them together and they don't necessarily cross communicate that what they're doing so then you end up with different items and different things um in fact we got the scarf right in the United States I'm pretty sure we got the scarf in ours but yeah it was just a big because I have the scarf but someone might have sent it to me so maybe I maybe I didn't buy it um I honestly think that there's going to be different collector's editions because there always is and they're going to be different really priced and there's going to be different values on different things because that's just the way it is it sucks I wish this isn't what it was I wish it just be a universal worldwide versions one because it creates more of the same version which means more people have a chance to get all that stuff and then two it also just adds to the overall bin that is this this entire Zelda collector's edition same price everywhere kind of thing and the funny thing is the game is already priced differently in different regions so you know and not just because of inflation reasons some legitimately just pay more Canadians know the the plight there Australia doesn't know Brazil a lot of Brazil or Brazil's the worst yeah I didn't realize how much how bad it was in Brazil until someone who lived there started talking to me about it and I'm like are you okay so basically you can't be a gamer in Brazil moving on now now I understand why all those Sega made by that really crappy company systems exist the Sega Genesis collection systems that have all been really really horrible keep coming out because they're popular in Brazil because they're like the only thing they can afford there so yeah that they suck but like they can't afford to actually like you get bad with switch trying to get a PlayStation 5 in Brazil I don't I don't even want to go there $70 game and yeah I try 200 in Brazil I I don't even want to touch Brazil's government hates games they'll still let you sell them at a very expensive price um Australian government's not too fond of video games either yeah I remember right yeah we have some awesome at the eighth arc is example I know he's from Australia so he's probably well way more well versed than I am for someone that doesn't live in the down under what are your thoughts on this Jesse I think it all just comes down to like you said different regions putting together different stuff but then like even if different regions had the same items in their collectors editions then the cost to manufacture those different items from that country may be different than another country or maybe some are counting in like for the size of America having to ship it to all the different stores would add a little bit more than just going to a smaller country like Germany or something and then shipping to all the different areas in that so that's what I'm thinking just a total cost of shipping covering everything and then the actual manufacturing coming down to the countries so we had a couple more super chats coming in asking some questions one of them ask a question about breath while I'll get to that one in a moment because I want to give Andrew Brightwell a shout out quick because he had a 499 super chat didn't attach any messages or questions for us so hey you know if you have something I'll try to pay attention in the chat and you can say it otherwise thank you so much for supporting the channel and supporting the podcast by the way you can also support I don't talk about enough we do have a patreon at patreon.com that literally like everything on it's about supporting the podcast that's another way to support the podcast itself especially you like this set I'd like to keep expanding on it to keep trying new things I have ideas for inter swappable parts I have ideas for maybe even a second screen that I can swing in for some cast swing out for others that's right use one of those swing arms I got lots of ideas but you know there's also one of my fundamental ideas by the way before I get to laurenweb to bone thank you so much for your five we'll get to your question because it's one breath about two so you know how we have the mics right here I I kind of want to change the fundamental setup of what of how we do this sometimes our voices go in and out I try to keep and the boom arms really help with that and our other the old podcast setup but what I think is the old podcast is so old you know eight episodes old and it's really it's awesome I think this one's a little better though guys right can you guys agree in the chat do you like this setup better or do you like the old podcast set up better you guys let me know and this one there's no TV glare so there's that I actually kind of want to get some of those like kind of boom arm mics and put like a set of like like one two and then one off the ceiling okay interesting so then we have no mics in front of us and no matter where we turn we get nice crisp audio pickup now I might have to adjust some of this room to make that work so there's no echo but I've seen other like big time YouTubers are starting to use that instead of these so then they can have the mic off camera yeah I don't know I don't know it might it might suck for audio I mean the best thing to switch to would be lavalier mics for sure but we can't people wonder why we don't use lab mics which I thought about using for E3 is because at least right now maybe I should test again but right now lavalier mics have been picking up the power lines outside my house we have some really massive ones and picking up buzzing but I should look it up if there is lavalier mics that are shielded well not just shielded but if they have ones that run through or convert like lavalier into XLR and then I can run run it through that which is what these run through which shield can get rid of the buzz I don't know if those exist I'm sure they're really expensive but that would be interesting I should look into that it's a good idea because one thing I am when I'm looking at this setup here I do kind of hate that we're kind of covered up there are also headset versions that are like the guys you guys see in Nintendo 3 house they use headsets I've looked up those headsets cost 2800 dollars each so you wonder why we're not using those headsets yeah no thanks but anyways I get to lower web to bone here I like spitball sometimes I listen back through my pockets I'm like oh yeah that was a good idea cause I always watch to find improvements I'm a perfectionist with my sets if you can't tell I'm done with the lazy days of you know like look at me I look pretty flat right I know you audio guys can't see it but I'm looking pretty good Eric you look like Eric although I don't want to tell people what I'm wearing for E3 are you gonna join me yeah I think so finally we're gonna have this is gonna be super professional no pants sorry sorry I let that leak still off camera anyways right covered up by the ticker alright so we had lower web to bone with the Breath of Wild thing just for fun what would you like Breath of Wild to be called well now well now that's tough I'm just gonna go Breath of the Wild too now there you go I mean it doesn't get more obvious than that and look at Last of Us part 2 you know a lot of two games end up selling really really well when you put two in the title what what just give me this look like I got so but he's just not saying it what is it you're making me want to put my pants back on I thought we were just free balling over here and now you're like no pull it back up yeah yeah fires of the spirit okay but what's your reasoning for this I mean we're talking spirits you know how we've kind of gone back in the past with the heroes and things like that and you know kind of fires are are associated generally with spirits and things like that so that would be kind of or flames of the spirits or something along the lines of that would be I think a really cool name I love how Frieza in the chat is like you know I got a feeling game over Jesse already knows the title and that's why he's like yeah Breath of the Wild too yeah Breath of the Wild too I can't I can't I already know no I guarantee he doesn't know at all I gotta check his smirk hold on yeah let me see does it oh the smirk is coming I saw this word I saw teeth oh boy well maybe he does know I mean he apparently knew about the amiibo so I mean who knows I didn't know about the amiibo I just knew Monday and it wasn't even Monday so so you're saying you're fake news pretty much there you go unsubscribe from the channel never watching over Jesse we will no longer be reporting on anything that Jesse has originating obviously he's not the source he doesn't work in Nintendo alright in terms of the title I mean we only have the initial trailer to work on right that's why Breath of the Darkness sounds stupid when that was like one of the rumors out there but it also is like I get it because it was really dark and then we said it's gonna be really dark darkness okay got it dark dark right it's gonna be the darkest Zelda ever you know it's gonna be the darkest ever so like I it's such limited information Breath of the Wild 2 would be very unlike Nintendo they have it numbered once in Zelda 2 and even then they gave it a subtitle with the adventurer link so you know even Phantom our spirit tracks right I can attempt Majora's Mask all the sequels have their own name and I feel like this is particular because Nintendo thinks each game can stand on its own you don't need to play the prior which is basically true you can play with Majora's Mask have no idea what's going on with Ocarina of Time be perfectly fine you might not understand the intro and why Link is looking for a fairy but I mean hey that's like a very small part of the actual game so even Phantom hourglass to spirit tracks or Wind Waker to Phantom hourglass yeah yeah and like if you played Wind Waker you understand what's happening in Phantom hourglass but like at the same point also like Phantom hourglass completely stands on its own so like this is the tough part this is the tough part is trying to cover the name based on a very small trailer we saw two years ago you know what if it's like literally oh man see I had some good ideas so I was like what about you know the Legend of Zelda like I don't think they're using Breath of the Wild I don't think Breath of the Wild is going to be in the name at all right I mean it would be nice if it was because sales but I think it's going to sell regardless so I think it's going to be like the Legend of Zelda um Return to the Sky or something or the Legend of Zelda um you know the old joke the old game over screen like Return of Ganon or like something like or like some major reference if you think about it like Zelda games have names that um either reference an item directly like Ocarina of Time that's an item in the game Return to the Sky would also kind of tie it back in with Skyward Sword though too that too and then you have and I get it Return to the Sky sounds like a stupid name I understand it sounds stupid no matter what name I throw out there it's going to sound stupid compared to what the actual name is Breath of the Wild was a stupid name when I was first yeah like Breath of the Wild is a stupid name you're not taking a breath you're waking up and what does Breath of the Wild have to do with the game someone tell me what the name Breath of the Wild actually has to do they breathe with the game they breathed wild into Zelda open world like see like that's probably what it is but it's also like you could have called it anything else so it could be a name that's just totally unrelated but usually it's not like Twilight Princess what'd that have to do with come on now you know Spirit Tracks oh my gosh what did that have to do with Phantom Marvel what did that have to do with you know the only ones it's like oh the Legend of Zelda and then like Zelda 2 the Adventure of Link there's kind of Vag titles but links to the past yeah you could argue you didn't really have much to do with anything until you got to like the midway point of the game and then you're like the Japanese name Triforce of the Gods was a way better name I don't know why they changed it but but like it's one of those things that the names seem to always be until Breath of the Wild anyway seem to always be directly related to the game itself and it's like a stupid obvious thing the best name the best name ancient stone tablets oh yes yes so like that's why I'm like hey literally return to the sky or going skyward no I wouldn't be going they wouldn't use the word going return to the sky but that's what I say like it's going to be something that's so dumb and you're like yeah but that's what you do in this game so like there you go Legend of Zelda Hellfire we thought we thought the castle was going up it's actually going down what it should be is the Legend of Zelda Return to Groosland yes yes and you guys will understand that once you play skyward sword why Groosland is real and I believe in the pompadour I mean strange tortoise to fate Groos is actually the Groos is on the loose baby next announcement for smash bros yes do you think there's a chance at a new Zelda character in smash guys we got two slots left would not surprise me yeah I think so too for some reason I'm like I think Crash is one of the slots maybe but I'm like you know what when's the last time we got like an actual new Zelda character we've gotten skins I think so if they went with the champion everyone would kind of be ticked that their favorite champion didn't pick since one of the other champions so I think if they went with like Psydon or someone who's popular but isn't a champion yeah or like a loft wing dun dun dun we have a piranha plant for grinding that I want to hear it's not possible guys I mean could they skin the well the problem okay so like with the champions right you're talking about like oh let's have four swappable yeah like they're so fundamentally different in the game with their abilities and their attacks I don't know how you I mean if anyone can make a work at Sakurai yeah it would be even more different than swapping between the different Pokemon with the Pokemon trainer yeah it could be done I just I don't want to be in charge of balancing that let me tell you holy crap that would be like the final character reveal because Sakurai I'm done after this this is it this is my ultimate character I'm never doing it what about the king oh the king no because he was pretty built in Breath of the Wild like the king well he's huge he's also in he plays a huge role in obviously the recent release of Age of Calamity so I mean I could see the king as being a possibility see and the thing about Sidon is like people like him but there's also that exact same type of character in every region and that again can make people get mad that they didn't get their their favorite region characters in right old man dude I'd be awful old man dude bring old man back he just throw swords at people here take this it's dangerous to go take this and he just keeps throwing swords but like I don't know it feels like Breath of the Wild 2 on the horizon there wasn't anything new for Breath of the Wild to set some costumes why not like why not throw it out there and get a new Zelda character like I don't think people would complain about a new Zelda character even though there's already quite a few put in a Guardian it's just not another version of Link we have what three versions of Link I think we're good there put in a Guardian oh my they did put in it took forever if Ridley's in anything's possible Taker610 has his joking take by the way thank you so much for your $2 Super Chat that says a Legend of Zelda cough of the wild Link gets COVID as we get out of COVID Hyrule is just beginning oh man yeah I know we had another $5 Super Chat coming in from Frieza who said hey do you think there's a chance Breath of the Wild 2 will be multiplayer now that can be many different things it could be kind of like Mario Galaxy's kind of multiplayer where like the sidekick moves around and collects some certain things there's Triforce Hero style multiplayer Four Sword style Phantom Hourglass had that additional mode that was multiplayer multiplayer would have made sense in the game like Spirit Tracks where someone controls the Phantom and someone controls Link that would have been a neat idea for multiplayer obviously some people are hoping Zelda is playable for at least part of this game maybe they're both playable at the same time in multiplayer co-op online multiplayer so do you guys think there's even a chance even a minute chance of multiplayer in this game in any form I do I would say so yeah why do you think so and why 80 that's really high why well Eric was talking first does he want to go no no no go ahead I'm curious this is when you said 80% I'm like wait a second okay good I say it because as we touched on earlier when Breath of the Wild was first really or first announced like before anything one of the first things that Alan was said about it was that he wanted to change the traditional formula of Zelda and then he wanted to he didn't want players to think of it as a single player experience Breath of the Wild came out and it was totally a single player experience and I think that could have been because of Nintendo's not so great online infrastructure which they just upgraded which allowed them possibly allowed them to upgrade games as simple as Mario Party and even games that are really simple like Pokemon Sword and Shield when you're playing online in it there's like that two second delay between your friend moving their character and then them moving on your screen even Smash Bros has certain hiccups so I think with that upgrade and then with Age of Calamity as well we also have the interview after Breath of the Wild released where Alan Auma said that he wanted to take the multiplayer of Triforce Heroes and apply it to the Breath of the Wild engine which Age of Calamity sort of did but that was just normal multiplayer that wasn't the Triforce Heroes online style of multiplayer and Alan Auma seems to keep for some reason going back and going back to doing some sort of online multiplayer Zelda game. I think even Triforce Heroes started out as like a four swords adventures remake and then they cut it down to three because they couldn't quite do whatever they were was planning on doing so I think Breath of the Wild 2 will just be the combination of all of that but it'll still be optional I always use the example of Wolf Link and Breath of the Wild to where instead of the computer controlling Wolf Link imagine your friend could just pick up their controller and drop in as Wolf Link and play alongside you and something like it just being that simple or like in Wind Waker when you have to play the song and now you can control the Korok instead of you having to play a song to go back and forth maybe you can keep playing as Link while your friend controls the Korok so stuff like that even Majora's Mask had the section where you're in the Thieves hideout and you have to switch between the two characters to figure out the puzzle so stuff like that to where you just make it easier if two people could do it since you already have to use two characters to do it anyways why not allow it to be multiplayer and oh there's also the interview or the announcements from Nintendo's president where they said they were going to be putting a big focus on their online they're going to be pushing their online service and they're going to put a big focus on DLC for big games and I think Breath of the Wild 2 it's kind of obvious that it'll get DLC but I also think that big focus on online pushing their online service I think that will also apply and it'll just be the culmination of all this past stuff that they've done and it'll end up being Breath of the Wild 2 being optional multiplayer do you have any other do we think it's Breath of the Wild 2 or are they working on a massive MMORPG or MMO Zelda game that would be interesting as heck so using the Breath of the Wild engine as Nate walks off set because that would be really crazy not necessarily we worked into Breath of the Wild 2 but a completely different Zelda game that uses the Breath of the Wild engine but as an MMORPG Nate hates me I mean I think Nintendo could eventually get to that but I think the most likely thing would be they would want to make sure they're getting an online multiplayer right first before they take that leap into an MMO you bastard would I take your idea no I have been wanting a Zelda MMO since I started playing World of Warcraft in 2004 I'm so like I was never going to bring it up until I had like a separate conversation where maybe I do a video where I'm like here's why I want a Zelda MMO which there are going to be people who are against it and that's fine I get MMOs aren't for everyone and they never end and I get it whatever I don't really care I love MMOs now that I have time to really invest in one a new one at this point but I'm even Zelda let's be honest you won't sleep why Eric that's why I walked off set I'm like I'm about to have a heart attack over this and it's not even like real they could get the fantasy store online team to do a basic MMO see now it's just starting to add up where it's stop giving me hope it's not going to happen I'm going to go as far as to say not only are we not getting a Zelda MMO obviously yeah out of them we're getting multiplayer in the game either I'm going to go on the opposite direction of game over Jesse which is why I'm really glad that he was like 80% sure because this would have been a really boring conversation otherwise with everybody then again Eric MMO come up so maybe it would have been so boring I have ideas every once in a while every once in a while damn it no so like I personally just don't see them doing it I know the quote you're talking about I know the references I know the they've dabbled in multiplayer aspects and Zelda before they you know Anuma has openly said you know we want to do multiple yeah okay none of what you're saying is incorrect I just feel like especially when I hear things like focus on like the enthusiast gamers in the second half to me that screams either hardcore multiplayer games I'd say like a Splatoon 3 would be like a hardcore multiplayer game although that's next year but I'm thinking like Breath of the Wild I get optional multiplayer I get it no I think it's going to be a solo game just like the first one and they're going to leave it at that because that because here's the thing it's sold 20 plus what is that 22 23 million right now I if it ain't broke don't fix it and I think that's what they're I think the risk for multiplayer if they do it will either be in a dedicated multiplayer game which they've done in the past four swords which force was the ventures which again you can't play single player but let's just be honest you should play that multiplayer if you can it's way better multiplayer Tri Force Heroes can't play single player way better multiplayer I feel like that is more the direction if you're going to do multiplayer Zelda go all out otherwise don't bother I don't need a little side dish I don't need a little companion I don't need a little no go all out like what they did with Galaxy as an example that's like a little companion no go all out or don't bother because you're just gimping player and just wishing that they could be the big brother playing player one and no if they can't get the same experience I get while playing then don't do it that's my opinion that's been my opinion forever and I know that kills a lot of really good games out there that have this psychic idea but I just know I'm good I'm good single player focused just like original Breath of the Wild I get I get I'm not going to be upset if there's more I'll put it I play I enjoy multiplayer Zelda I'm not going to be upset I just think I'd rather see them do it right and I think right is a game built around it but this is a personal opinion clearly they could have multiplayer aspects and I don't have any evidence to suggest they won't other than me just saying look at Breath of the Wild yeah best-selling Zelda game ever no multiplayer yeah why do it because they know it's going to sell well and it's a chance to try it I get it there's good reasons for it I'm not dumb I just I don't want it to happen because I'd rather they do it right and do something like an MMO do something big but and I think they're going to have something multiplayer for the Nintendo Switch Online like a Zelda 35 that's going to be like the focus of their multiplayer that could be that too it's kind of like my legit reason why I think that's going to be what they focus for multiplayer right now the 2D but I don't know possibly it'd be interesting to see if they tied in a certain kind of character that we hinted at with the multi with the the sword or the everything that we were hinting at earlier in the podcast as a second player where you kind of just travel through the game with the other player and you help with different puzzles different things like that you may actually be able to even go off and explore on your own type of thing but that wouldn't make a whole lot of sense not actually thinking about that because being tied with the sword but to have that companion and I realize you don't like companion part of it but to have kind of that companion but a little bit more companion plus along with you with said character I still don't like it that's fine I get it I still don't like it Frieza followed up in the chat by the way and it said that some of these thoughts stemmed from commonwealth realm who they want to have on my channel one day I will say this about commonwealth realm decent guy from what I remember talking to him haven't talked to him in years but he's in a different time zone than me which makes a podcast thing hard to do doesn't mean we can't have a separate conversation video in a different time zone it's really hard to line up when we are actually around at the same time when you got like working kids and youtube and like it's I'm already really busy so then trying to be like oh let me come up with a special time it's one thing to move the podcast to a different night like I'm doing on June 8th from a Wednesday to a Tuesday we're gonna have a special guest on Camelot331 don't know if you guys know who he is he's gonna be coming on Tuesday the week of E3 which is actually kind of good but I don't have to worry about the podcast the rest of the week so I can focus on other things like on that Thursday there's the summer games fest and then E3 starts on the weekend so and if I don't stream Friday night then like don't be shocked because we're about to do three straight days at 12 hours stream I might stream though we might do a a little pre-discussion but it won't be like my typical long streams it'll be maybe an hour like if Eric's here spending the night maybe we hop on and we have a quick have a quick pre-show have like a quick pre-show before the pre-show the pre-pre-show the pre-pre-show anyways so yeah I would love to have him on but again time zone differences makes it a lot difficult not as hard a game over Jesse when we all live in the U.S. the worst case is like a two hour difference usually so we had another 5 dollar superchat come in from Akinda saying I actually know what the title is that's a bold claim Akinda that's pretty bold think you're yanking our chain but it says I know what the title is and I'll give you a clue it actually has to do with the hands and that's all I'm going to give you I think that is possible because there's the hand on the chest and then Link's hand starts to glow it happened to be be called something with the hand wouldn't be surprising I also think it's almost too obvious but I mean isn't it any more obvious than Breath of the Darkness what about Sans of Time because there's talks about time travel in this they won't call it that because of Prince of Persia that's a game called Sans of Time I mean maybe they will but man yeah Akinda yeah Akinda you are yanking my chain correct I mean maybe you legitimately do know what the title is I'm just saying that it's not like I can verify alright is that about wrap it up for us today are we all good you guys got anything else you want to talk about I think I'm good you think you're good alright well that's going to do it then for episode 9 of the Nintendo Prime podcast what was that one thing I was going to talk about before I headed out oh the guest exchange oh yeah so I know some of you guys were expecting Mr. Jeff Grub to come on tonight he was all set everything was all good and then he contacted me and decided to cancel his appearance tonight not because he's not available he has a problem I don't want to go too deep into it but a problem with somebody who I have defended in the past and me potentially being associated with him and bottom line is it's kind of water under the bridge we talked it out things seem fine he wants me to reach out to him after E3 and probably set up another podcast episode so it's one of those you know we had a very cordial conversation about it I don't want anyone getting mad at him or thinking anything negative about him Jeff I have no problem with Jeff Grub I literally am a backer of his on Twitch I am subscribed to him on Twitch I give him money I wouldn't give him money if I didn't think Jeff Grub was awesome so yeah we kind of got it worked out but unfortunately I couldn't get you know I wish these concerns would have been brought up a couple days ago instead of today because then we could have squashed it and been fine but it was brought up today late in the day so it is what it is but I do appreciate Game Over Jesse coming through in the clutch coming through in the clutch and besides you guys enjoyed this Zelda conversation right because this totally was not what we were going to talk about today so you guys enjoyed the Zelda conversation right I could talk Zelda all the time but shout out to Game Over Jesse you guys should definitely go check him out at Game Over Jesse on Twitter to also technically the same name Game Over Jesse on YouTube although it will be like Jesse in Living Color in the URL on the channel old school name there you got any content coming out that you want to tease people with podcasts anything we're having our Zelda podcast The Highland Gamescast tomorrow night at 6pm Pacific 9pm Eastern I have a video ready to be uploaded for about a week now but there's an ad sponsor for it and contacting them to get it it's already been approved but it needs to be like double approved for like the time that it's scheduled for so that can go out either tomorrow or next week I have no idea and we have two other videos that are in the works one script is done Daniel's going to be recording the audio for it and the other I right before I came on this podcast I just finished editing the audio for the other one so there should be three or four videos coming out within the next week kind of weird because then you go like a week between because you had like the podcast and then a podcast and there was like nothing in between yeah I thought that was a little weird but I figured there must have been something going on like we so guys we I don't know if you guys are aware of this big shout out to you guys for coming out to our streams subscriber to the channel watching all my videos this month we actually have active sponsorships in the works behind the scenes with I think three different companies at the moment coming out for future video for ad spots what one is actually doing an entire 15 minute featured video and all this is landing before E3 so I'm obviously very very busy and I want to thank you guys because if it wasn't for you guys I would have not got these sponsorship opportunities and they reached out to me about it which is really really cool when companies start to recognize hey you're up and coming channel we want to hop on board in the early days so I like that so thank you guys for enabling that to happen you guys know that I'm going to need that money for all the switch pros and all the crap we're going to give it away at the end of the versions of switch in the multiple versions of Zelda I mean it's really cool that we have some sponsors coming in I'm not going to talk about them until things are all finalized one of them is finalized but I have it I had to record the ad for it still there sent me some stuff that I'm still waiting to arrive should be here I think they said by Friday so I'll try to get it recorded over the weekend and it'll appear in something next week that's just one ad spot then there's another game that I'm doing a feature on that's one of them and then another game that is potentially paying me way more money than they really should I just I literally threw them a price for an ad spot that I said that I figured they wouldn't take because I told I'm too busy I basically said look I can do ad spots they want they wanted me to do a review and I told them I'm not going to review your game I'm sorry I don't have time I just I don't have time to get a review before E3 it's not happening and they said but I said you know I can do ad spots or I can do featured videos and I think I said I can do a featured video but I really don't have time for this so like it's going to be because I already locked in one and that was like all the time I had to do one and I was like it's going to be you know it's going to be at least this much money for me to even consider it and that's not because I hate you guys it's just I don't have time so that's what's going to cost for me to set time aside to pull it off before E3 and they came back to me and said well we'll pay you that and we'll pay you that just for an ad spot in one video I'm like so I went back to them and said well I mean okay I'll put that same ad spot in five videos because once I make the ad spot it's easy to insert so anyways we'll see we're locking that down for final they're also one of the companies that are giving us some codes to give away during E3 can't announce the codes yet can't announce the game yet because it's a game that is out on switch yeah got a few of those coming to you Ray so little tease little tease I know about some things behind the scenes a little bit with some games not going to say necessarily Nintendo because it was Nintendo I would probably already be all up on Twitter oh my god Nintendo and that's probably all I would say so if you ever see me put out put out a tweet that's omg Nintendo chances are I'm working with Nintendo because I probably can't say more than that I'll be on the looking out for it yeah yeah I probably can't they had a heart attack because of something they announced well it's one of those two things right anyways shout out to all of our supporters tonight too that did all the super chatting I really appreciate it I try to make it so you guys don't have the super chat to get my attention but during things like the podcast I'm more focused on the conversation and the topics I had than I am the chat so that is unfortunately during the podcast like one of the few ways to actually get your stuff in and get your topics added to the cast especially towards the end as I was adding in more since I this was kind of a last minute change to the podcast so I didn't have a ton of topics set up ahead of time and I didn't want to go to Jesse and be like hey you got any topics because I knew he had his podcast coming up tomorrow which you guys should absolutely go watch don't want to steal any of his thunder this is really awesome be sure to check out everywhere that we guys are Eric's on Twitter at Emo8790 I'm on Twitter at Ninty Prime I'm also Instagram Nintendo underscore prime also on obviously YouTube I hope you guys know that if you're listening to audio version and you don't know that type in Nintendo Prime on YouTube and you'll find me and you get to see our really really cool set that's for E3 that's still not done but it's done enough that we could show it publicly a little bit just a little bit there'll be some improvements to it every single week so thank you guys for tuning in otherwise hopefully we'll see you on our next podcast next week episode 10 finally getting to the double digits and then hopefully we'll see you at E3 that's the big one if you can't make it to the podcast or my daily live streams that basically happen Monday through Friday besides on Wednesdays when we have the podcast be sure to come to E3 guys we're giving away $3,500 worth of stuff maybe even more I have to actually redo the math and see it might be more at this point we also have tons of stuff by the way we have lots of games I can tell you right now there's over a hundred different copies of games being given out over a hundred different copies of games so I can out like just tell you that lots of different games over a hundred different copies obviously I have all this stuff on the back table I'm not going to go through all of it but there's accessories back there there's zelda mergers, collectors items all the jazz this is growing every day we have eight more items coming in next week that are just massive like one of them's like here's the table it's like this big and I'll just give you an idea it's shaped like this use your imagination on what that might be that's right I'm just giving away free triangles to everybody cut out a construction paper cheese, giant cheese head so we got some big items coming in as well for that and that reminds me I'm glad this is coming up at the end because there's something else going to happen that I need to go take care of right in front of the stream so thank you guys so much for tuning in catch you guys in the next episode bye