 It's only been two years, where it's another couple of minutes. There we go. Where do we add our names, Vipin? I have it on the chat, but... No, I mean, but we're on the page. Yeah, usually I have a section called attendees. Maybe I should just go and... I can add it if you just want to add it. Yeah, just a heading, attendees, and then put your name in. I normally do fill it up, but it's just, you know, I have to capture everybody's name and it goes from there. I'd rather be talking to you than... So basically, this is crowdsourcing that list. You got it, you got it. That is the idea. Anyway, before we start, we have to do a couple of things. One is, we have to talk about the antitrust policy of the Linux Foundation, and we are following the antitrust policy of the Linux Foundation. Please go to the Linux Foundation pages or even to the hyperlogy of Wiki and look for antitrust policy and you'll find the details. The second point is that we follow the hyperlogic code of conduct, which consists very simply of respecting each other, not interrupting people unless they go on forever, not being rude, and being able to disagree without being disagreeable. So that's, in short, that's it. And then I think, Drummond, you have the floor and I have described Drummond as a super connector, super, you know, maven on the open source and contributor. And ever since we met back, I think it was in the San Francisco Hyperlogy Global Forum that we then launched Indy through the Identity Working Group and then the Rest is History as they say. Drummond, please. And there's a lot of history. It's ironic you say that, Vipin, because one of the chapters in the book is written by Kalea, better known as Identity Woman. I think many of you know her. And another very dedicated community member that's anonymous, known as InfoMiner, and they wrote an entire chapter on the whole history of the SSI community. And so it's a great chapter too. It's really a lot of fun. So I thought about it yesterday, Vipin. I said, you know what? Because we've been in the middle of approving the typeset, what they call the first pages, drafts from the typesetter. I was like, you know, I'm not going to create a presentation. I'm just going to show stuff from the book and we'll just talk about it and cover it. So I'll go ahead and share my screen. And let's see. I want to just start right here. OK. So I put in the chat the link to this pair. You see my screen? Always worth checking on that. Yeah. Good. OK. So the book is being published by Manning, who's, I guess, one of the others. It's not a Riley. We tried it in Riley. Or first of all, I should explain. I'm a co-author of the book. But actually, I should go straight and say, so Alex, this book was Alex Prushat's idea, Alex based in Madrid. I told him we were doing this session here today and he's been on earlier sessions, but he had a conflict. He said, no problem. Just go handle it. So this is Alex's idea that we would need a book that covered this whole space. Alex, if you are not familiar with the fellow who started SSI Meetup at SSIMeatup.org. And I gave a number of early webinars. He's got, I think, 45, maybe over 50 now, webinars on all aspects of SSI. And I gave some of the early ones that I was really surprised at how many folks consume them. And a funny story, Marcus Abedello, who many of you probably know as well, and is one of the authors in the book. And I ended up giving a webinar on DIDs right after the first meeting of the DID Working Group in Kyoto, Japan 18 months ago. And we both had to fly off to the respective places. I was in London and he was, I think he was back home at that point, but he had not actually was speaking at a conference elsewhere in Europe. And we'd arranged to do an SSI Meetup webinar on basically a report out on the meeting. Well, there was so much that happened at the meeting and so much to cover. And we were able to use the slides from the meeting plus a few other things. So we started the webinar and it turns out Marcus hadn't slept in like 24 hours. And I'd had like two hours sleep before our scheduled time. And so we just started the subject. We went, it's supposed to be one hour webinar, but people started asking questions and we kept talking about it. And we went like two hours and 15 minutes on this very esoteric subject of DIDs. I mean, we went so far down the rabbit hole. And I thought, no one is ever gonna watch this webinar. And I've had more people talk to me about that webinar. I love that webinar. And I'm like, really? So anyway, that's just a little bit of the, long war of this book. So we actually started it two years and two months ago is when we started into it. And the whole idea and the whole reason I agreed to do it was that Alex said, hey, you're only gonna need to do a little bit because we're gonna have, we're gonna just, and he'd done this with one book before, we're gonna get a bunch of contributing authors to write chapters about their specialty and their field and their perspective on this. And I said, oh, wow, that's really brilliant. That'll be a fantastic book to sort of, really provide a broad perspective on this subject of SSI. And yeah, it didn't, I mean, it totally did work, but it ended up being a lot more work than he sold me on to actually put the book together. So the page I'm showing you here is at Manning, they've got a homepage for every book. And this, yes, is, I'm pointing at the picture, some, few folks have said a clown, really. And I said, no, it's not a clown. It's an actor. It's a type of theater in which it's mass theater. I forgot the name, there's an explanation inside the cover. But anyway, so I want to stress that by the time, well, first of all, I wanna explain one other thing, which is so we intended to take roughly 12 months to get the book out. And we were only a couple of months behind when COVID struck. And besides the stress on everything else, because we weren't there yet, we were maybe two thirds of the way, three quarters of the way done, but it was just massive stress for all of us everywhere. So we basically put the book on hold for about four months from March until about late July. And then we said, hmm, it looks like we're gonna need like self sovereign identity is still gonna be pushing forward. And we should still push forward with the book and Manning agreed. So we, but I was a whole lot getting busier with all the stuff that's on digital vaccination and financial digital health passes that is consuming us right now. So there was just a lot less time. And yet there was the book had grown at the point we had, and I wanna show you this list. I'm gonna pop over, this is one of the final documents that we're finishing before you go into type setting. And actually I'll start up here at the top. So this is a list of author bios in the book. Okay. And I'm not gonna, I admit this isn't to read it. I'm just gonna slowly go down through this so you get a sense of what it means to have over 45 at last count people contributing to this book, right? I mean, this is huge. I mean, just the correspondence with this many, I love the fact that we end up with three Zs, right? That's how many people have contributed to this book. I gotta tell you, every single one of those author contributions is, they're non-trivial, right? There's some really, really amazing stuff. I mean, you see Kalia here besides the chapters she and InfoMiner wrote on the FSI community. We also got, I wanna point out, we had so much content contributed after we went out to authors and said, do you wanna write something about your specialty that the original book was supposed to be, they said roughly 350 pages. And I remember thinking, well, how are we gonna fill 350 pages? It's a deep topic, but without getting way off into the weeds. Well, by the time we had chapters back from all the authors that between Alex and I we reached out to, we had almost 500 pages. And that was before the COVID surge and the fact that after that wait, we kept hearing from folks saying, hey, I'd like to do a chapter. And so we, I think, I don't actually know what the total page counted, but I wouldn't be surprised if the additional chapters we had took it up over 700 pages of information. And so what we had to work out with Manning at the tail end of last year is what do we do? They were like, hey, look, we can make a larger, but both print costs and they didn't wanna raise the price and other stuff. So what we worked out is they have a version of the book called Live Book, which I'm about to show you, which will have nine additional chapters beyond the ones that are in the print book. And the print book's gonna have an e-book version that's available, I think, on four different reading platforms. And so you can get the whole thing there, but anyone who buys either one of those can then get the live book. And the live book is turning into one of their most popular versions because it is a live book and we can continue to add chapters. It's a very, very straightforward process to do that. So the book may grow even further. So anyway, I don't have time to obviously go through all of the contributing authors, but that's a little bit of a background in the book. Now, if you go to this page that I put in the chat and the folks have joined more recently, I'll just stick it in the chat again. See, there is a, it says pre-order. Oh, okay, yeah, I see a question right there. So again, that's the link. You can't, okay, so what it says me, Manning Early Access Program, you can access everything that I'm gonna show you here immediately online today. The book is going into production as if it weren't in sync enough with what we're trying to do right now with digital health passes. The book is, we've been, the whole process, first, you know, technical book that I've been involved, start to finish. The whole process of copyading all the chapters, there's a cycle that has to go through there of the 24 chapters. Then they typeset it, then you gotta preview the typesets and sign off on all those. We just signed off on the last two of the 24 chapters last night. Then we had to prepare the appendices to cover all the chapters going into live book. And we had another section called landmark essays in SSI for stuff that's already published out there that we wanna point to. So we had to finish all that. That all just went in about 12, 30 last night. So I don't know the exact production date, but it's gonna come out sometime this month, is what I understand. So if you pre-order, you can, again, you can buy the print book or the online book or the live book. I don't know all the different ways it's packaged. I guess the two basic options are right here. Anyway, you can, you follow this link book forum or look inside, they'll both take you over to this view which is the live book edition of the book. And to just give you a sense of the structure in the live book right now are all but the last two chapters that I mentioned. So there are 24 chapters in the book and I'll go over the structure here in a minute. Oh, this is good. I'm just looking at the chat. Jim Mason is saying manning is great because they offer registered PDF files which Amazon does not, only Kindle there. Yeah, yeah, that's cool. So it's divided into four parts and you actually can't see that structure right here but I'm gonna show it to you as I show you some of the galley proofs. And the first four chapters, part one is basically the full, the schedule for the introduction to SSI. The chapter one is of course the most general chapter and then we expanded what originally was just gonna be two chapters introducing it and we into four and so that the second one is the basic building blocks. And just to explain, if you've got folks that you know that it's like, I wanna understand what this SSI thing is but I don't wanna read a huge book. You can say, hey, just read the first part of this book because it's written so you don't have to be a technologist to understand it. Basic building blocks does cover, actually I'll pop in, you can see it. Basically these seven basic building blocks, right? VCs, the different roles, wallets, agents, DIDs, blockchain governance framework and a summary of the chapter. But these are not deep technical definitions. They're really designed, you know, called informed layman explanations of these building blocks. Then we said, okay, now let's show how it works. And this was actually one of my favorite chapters. I can show you the galley proofs of. So we said, oh, let's actually, you know, design a set of scenarios that build on each other to show what the interactions look like. Again, not with like sequence diagrams, not down at that level, but just so you can follow the flow of what's moving around, which is, you know, verifiable credentials and presentations, proofs and all that to, you know, build up an explanation. Dan is saying the current PDF is 406 pages. Yeah, right. And it's not, again, there's more going in there. It's going to be with, once they add the front matter and appendices, I think it's going to be just under 500 pages. And again, that's without the live book, add the live book pages and I think you're going to get close to 700. So anyway, this is, I'll take a look at that in a minute. And then the last part was, we really wanted to emphasize, you know, what are the real features benefits of SSI? You know, because this is not a point technology. This is a paradigm shift on the internet. And so we developed what we call the SSI scorecard and it ended up being a matrix of 25 sort of key benefits that we put into five categories. I'll see if I can get the whole thing on the screen here. I can get this much. So we'll call the bottom line benefits that everyone's interested in and how I'm going to, you know, do all these things, basically save money, make money, you know, we put the business benefits right up front. But the impact on business efficiencies and business process automation was so significant within the full view of SSI that we devoted a whole second section to that. And we use these terms auto authentication, auto authorization workflow automation. These are really, really significant pieces of picture. Then what we did is we said, by the way, these are all presented from a business point of view. But then we said, we're going to present the same five from a user experience in convenience point of view. Basically, you know, benefits to an organization, benefits to an individual. And then we said, and SSI has so much, so much of an impact on relationship management and of course VRM, vendor relationship management that we devoted a whole section to that. And finally, we put all the things basically SSI architecture contributes to regulatory compliance, which is huge across all these areas in its own category. And that resulted in this thing we call the SSI scorecard which I can show you a table of. So that's a quick summary of part one. And then I'll just quickly explain part two is chapters five through 11 here. And that goes in depth. This actually is the part that I didn't anticipate the book would need that I would just be helping with what we had in part one. And then all these contributing authors would be bringing this in. Well, the challenge was we had authors that were all sort of explaining SSI in order to explain what it did in their industry. And we realized that, you know, we really need to channel that into a in-depth explanation of what we've done in part one. So I'm gonna point out Daniel Hartman was a primary person who brought the whole picture of SSI architecture together. Each of these chapters, by the way, in part two is roughly 30 pages. So there's a lot of meat in here. And so he did the big picture. Brent Zendell and Suya, I'm not sure I can pronounce her whole name from consensus did basic cryptography covered enough, you know, so that you could understand a lot of the magic, you know, SSI being all the way down. Brilliant, the longest chapter in the book is on Verifiable Credentials by David Chadwick and Daniel Burnett, you know, two folks, you know, co-chair and one of the lead authors of the Verifiable Credentials spec. This chapter is like a mini book. It is fantastic. It has some wonderful deep code examples in JSON-LD of different kinds of VCs. And then Marcus Sabadell and I combined to do the chapter on DIDs. It's also actually, I think the VC chapter is almost 40 pages. This one's like 38. And it goes really, it basically would go down through four progressive levels of depth. It's the longest thing I've ever written about DIDs. The PDF of that chapter I use, you know, I'll share with folks who really wanna understand the topic. And Manninga said, that's okay. Like, look, I gotta explain this to people anyway. I'm gonna wanna share the PDF. So that one goes way down there. Then the Digital Waltz and Agents chapter was written by Daryl O'Donnell, who wrote the report, the SSI wallet report and again, that report is like 85 pages. This chapter ended up being again, about 38 pages because there's so many topics when you get into a full-on digital wallet. One of my favorite lines in there is a full-featured SSI digital wallet is a development and maintenance project on roughly the scale or close to the scale of a modern browser. It's a huge undertaking. So you read this chapter, you'll understand why. And then the last one there is surprise, surprise, governance frameworks, you know, everyone who knows me knows how much I believe they're a really key part of the overall infrastructure. So anyway, tons of information in there, basically like this is a mini tutorial on everything that I know about that. Oops, lost that there in the wrong thing. So that's part two, parts three and four switch gears and go in the other direction. Part three was largely stewarded by Alex and his chapters 12 through 17. And it's all about the social political impact of SSI. And these topics and their authors are just, I found it just fast. I was originally a little bit like Alex really, you know, and he's written some of these, but I'll just quickly cover this one by Richard Esplan, who's at Evernim now, but was it Al Fresco for like 15 years? It's all about how critical open source is to SSI. And just all these chapters are generally shorter. They're 10 or 11 pages, but the depth of understanding and analysis of, you know, this chapter is fascinating. It's like, I didn't realize open sources as critical as it is to SSI and the whole infrastructure will support. The next chapter is basically Alex providing history of all of the development of crypto. But more than that, the sort of the ethos and the values of that community that led, you know, that you can sort of see where SSI originated out of that. This one by Marcus Abdel was just fascinating. A lot of folks don't know Marcus. Spend a year at the European Peace Academy. He met his wife there. And so he's got, I don't know why that's indebted. In any case, it's really a wonderful essay about SSI and peace and how they fit together. And then another chapter from Alex that really talks about the differences in belief systems between folks who use the term blockchain and think basically permissionless blockchains and DLT for permission and how they're just different worldviews represented and neither one is right or wrong. But they add up to different perspectives on a lot of things, including some aspects of SSI. So another really cool chapter. And then lastly, Alex has long had a fascination. Many of us have on identity and money and the relationship. We wanted to, and Alex tried to get David Birch to help us contribute to that, but he was too busy. But so Alex wrote this chapter based on a lot of things, not just David Birch's two books on that, which I highly recommend. One of them is Identity is Money and the other one is Before Babylon After Bitcoin. Anyway, all those references are in there. And, but it really, you know, really makes the argument that there's, not only is the relationship close but it's likely to get closer as, you know, SSI wallets and cryptocurrency wallets we predict on a convergence path over time, over time. So that's part two. And then part three is you see four of what I think are six chapters in the print book. And that's part four is all about, okay, now let's talk about SSI in specific markets and verticals. The first chapter is actually a little bit of a hybrid. It's by John Phillips. John Phillips from Australia. And it's not really about a specific vertical, but it is his explanation of how all the failed ways he's had of trying to explain to us the side of businesses what he's learned and how he recommends doing it. And it's very easy to read chapter. I highly recommend it to anyone who has to explain SSI and particularly this part here is all illustrated graphically. So, and then it sets up the rest of the chapters that go deeper into Michael Shea and Oscar Lange, I believe it is IOT, SSI and IOT. This is a condensation of a lot of things in the white paper they produced from the sovereign SSI IOT task force. And then this chapter here by Shannon Appelklein, who's been an author for a very long time, many, he has several full books, a technology books to his name. He wanted to go deep into SSI and democracy and voting. And he's done a lot of research in this. This is a really, really fascinating dive into that. It's more optimistic actually than I am because of all the politics involved with voting systems. But it does lay out a pretty strong case. And it goes beyond just voting. It's not just about voting. It's about all the things that happen around voting and how people make decisions and share knowledge. And it really is a very optimistic chapter about what SSI can do for democracy. And then again, in my book, we're missing a couple of chapters here. The one you do see here is we have two chapters that go deep into SSI and in specific jurisdictions. Not surprisingly, of course, we have the Canada. What I love about it is this chapter was written by Tim Bauma, many of you may follow him on Twitter or he's just one of the most deeply knowledgeable people about Canadian digital identity and Pan-Canadian Trust framework. He's considered sort of a co-author there. He and his colleague, Dave Roberts wrote this, wrote this whole picture of digital identity in Canada and why the Pan-Canadian Trust framework is really tailor made and they're evolving it to support SSI as a model. It's really neutral and support central or federated or decentralized identity systems. But he provides one of I think the most compelling diagrams in the whole book that's based on his analysis of why SSI makes sense and how it gets to the essence of the Trust Triangle that all of digital identity is based on. So anyway, great chapter, the one corresponding chapter for Europe and the European SSI framework and EIDAS, the Electronic Identification Infrastructure in Europe, it's like 30 pages and it's written by a fellow Nacho Emilio, who is an attorney but it's very active, ISO blockchain, a bunch of groups. And so it's really, really an accurate in-depth analysis of how SSI could be adopted or is being adopted in Europe and integrated in with EIDAS. So anyway, I'm gonna, I've given you a quick tour through, like I said, there are two chapters still missing here in part four that are coming in and then the meat version of the book will be complete. And like I said, then the whole thing later this month will be live. I'm gonna stop there for a minute and just say, I spent half the time just giving you an overview. I'm happy to sort of dive into some specific chapters because I have, like I said, the galley proofs, but I wanna make sure that the folks that you have come today, you probably hear that you have specific questions about either about SSI or what the book addresses or things like that. And so I wanna make sure that if you have those, put them out now and I'll make sure I can try and answer them. Otherwise I can just start showing you some of the really fun and cool chapters. Don't hesitate, please. Jim Mason here. So Drummond, I have the book, bought the book. The second I saw it come out, it was like, no, no, no, I need this. This will be the reference for everything going forward. I just completed a project with a state in the U.S. on doing a prototype of using Indie Aries framework to do basically, I'll call it a digital identity based on SSI, different than the regular identities they're doing now. And we also did verifiable credentials for business regulations similar to what was done by British Columbia. So that all worked. The question that's come down to me now and I'm working on it and haven't done well on my end is trying to find what I call better legal foundation. So I've looked all across the U.S. in different states and at the federal government and there's really not a lot of solid stuff for rafting legislation around SSI that I can find in the U.S. at all. So I went and I've been looking up in British Columbia a little bit trying to go to other places over in Europe as well. But I, and I was looking at the book here and I did see the pan Canadian trust framework listed but I don't have any specific legal references that I can find. And I was looking to get a quote the legal foundations to go to the state and some other organizations as well and say, hey, behind SSI, here's what some other people have already done to set a foundation that says these are legal forms of identity or credentials and so on. If there's anything, maybe I missed it in the book. Let's put that. I love that question. No, you didn't miss it. I'm going to pop open that chapter. Is this a new live action chapter? What I just discussed. So it's not, it's not new. And this is, this is great. You get to see a little bit of the, you know, the gallon review process. I'm going to share this and answer your question and also sort of share what I think is going to be a common refrain about this. Okay, hang on. Let me share this window here, which is that one right there. Okay, so this is, you see this now? This is, okay. So this is the galley proof of chapter 11 and you know, classic thing. All the chapters except ones written by Alex or me have introductions to, you know, the authors of the chapter. Ironically, because we were doing that, we had done that for this chapter. And then they pointed out, oh, we don't really need to do that. So there's an extra paragraph here that I had to mark. So when you're previewing the galley proofs and you have any corrections, you got to make them directly on the PDF in red text. So that's why you see this great big note. Take that out. All right. So, Jim, I'm gonna, I actually want to go to, actually it's interesting. I rewrote this chapter, but I wanted to quote from this paragraph. A lot of it is now going down into here. SIS cutting edge technology movement and SIS governance framework are the cutting edge of SSI. As a result, there are still relatively few governance frameworks in production as examples to which we can point. So, and we put that right up front because you were experiencing it directly. There's our famous BLT sandwich. I'm gonna go straight down to the end of the chapter to where we go in and we talk about, we sort of decompose all of what's involved, guardianship, legal enforcement. Okay, keep going. You can see this is like 35 page. What we, and you're not missing anything because what we've basically did, and I went in and updated this last month to bring it as current as I could to point to either governance frameworks there are some references as you saw in there to the handful of legislation that's out there right now. But the short answer is everything's in process. The revisions to the Pan-Canadian Trust framework that really sort of reflect SSI are in process. There's some stuff in the current version which I think is called 1.1. But the references are all in the chapter I pointed out about Canada by Tim Bauma. The references and the current state of where it is legally in the EU is in the chapter from Nacho Emilio that again should be in the meat position I think, I think like this week. So that the online edition will have all of the main chapters sometime later this week. And if it would help, I can send you a PDF of that. And I know in the US, there was a, Wyoming has a little bit of legislation that's more blockchain than it is SSI. The first explicit SSI legislation that I was aware of got all the way to the governor's desk in California in the last session, but in the fall. But because it had a $3 million budget allocation tied to it by one of the folks that insisted that's what it needed. Governor vetoed it because he didn't have in the budget. So they're gonna try again this legislative cycle. At least that's the last I've heard. So I don't know of more places we can point to legal underpinnings or regulations. I'm gonna stop and ask because I just saw Dan Bachenheimer come on, were you gonna flag something Dan there? Yeah, yeah, so, and you mentioned Nacho. So he's definitely leading on this, but we as a NAPA, we spoke with the European Commission on making EIDIS, which is the electronic ID and trust services more SSI friendly. So we are lobbying for it as you accurately said already, Drummond, it's not there, but we are asking the Commission, the European Commission to make EIDIS more SSI friendly. The only other thing, and I'm gonna dig into your chapter on Estonia, it is not SSI, but the first thing, a lot of people look at Estonia as the digital identity reference model, but the first thing they did to the question on the table was in 2000, they created basically their Digital Signatures Act, the legal document that allowed for digital signatures to be legally binding. And that's the first thing they did back in 2000 and their first identity card came out two years later. But yeah, it's interesting, we're going the other way, we're creating this SSI technology and waiting for legislation to catch up. In Estonia, they first legislated that it's legal to use digital signatures for public and private transactions and then created the identity card, anyhow, that was it. No, it's a really good point. And I did get to meet with Estonia directly on talking to the people that run the blockchain network up there as well as one of the government ministers there. And you're right about the process and the thing is theirs has evolved significantly differently. It's certainly not exactly SSI at all. Do you know what I mean? From a standards perspective. Yes. From what it's worth. It's essentialized, definitely centralized. Well, you're right, there's a lot of other differences. And so I couldn't use that as a good reference point for sure, but you're also right when you point out the European Commission because I'm on that European Blockchain Forum now and those are the kind of topics that we're actually going through to do research on. So for whatever reason, they're focused on, you know Bitcoin energy consumption, which to me is up with the most uninteresting topic I could think of. Certainly the way you put it Dan is right that when you look at the IDES stuff that is existing so there's a bunch of states that have IDES regulations that year or pass it in a sense all of that digital identity stuff in a mobile wallet does exist and you're right. It's about trying to adapt it and say, let's make it SSI friendly, if you will on the regulation side. And the one point on Wyoming because I've spent a lot of time on that is Wyoming isn't the model for anything because fundamentally, they're fundamentally you would consider them to be what I call legal pirates in the world of digital, I call it digital identity, not only identity but digital legislation period. So as an example, their banking laws have yet to be tested against Glass-Steagall and a bunch of other things, but they're way out there. They've made a whole bunch of assumptions that in a sense other states would be at this point what I call bold to try to recognize what Wyoming has done even though they do have two digital asset banks running already out there. Well, that's Katelyn, that's Katelyn Long's initiative. I have a feeling and she is quite out there. Yeah, quite well. Yeah, so I'm coming. Stand out like a sore thumb because I'm waiting to figure out when do they get tested against these different federal regulations. So in theory, states own banking and insurance but in reality, federal regulations will always supersede those. So coming back to the point that Dan raised which may have something to do with Jim too. We have in Delaware, for example, recognition of digital and electronic signatures. In fact, that is the basis for DLPC which is a way of creating a trade finance instrument that is based on digital signatures. Unfortunately, the backing for that is PKI but if you stretch that particular law towards SSI then it might become more friendly to SSI but already the digital signature law allows for a legal backing for this DLPC which is a way of creating a fungible, almost like not quite fungible but a trade finance instrument that is negotiable as they say. And maybe that can become the basis because Delaware is an interesting state. It has about 60 to 65 or even more percentage of US companies registered there. So that law might be a stepping stone to further the cause of SSI in the legal sense. Yeah, thanks. I actually look at it, but you're right. They didn't have SSI specifically but I did see that digital signature law that they have there and you're right, I hadn't figured out how to translate that exactly to SSI on my end. I will share that of the attorneys that I've been working with over the last couple of years. They keep boiling it back down to, well, all of SSI, all of the infrastructure and of course as you can expect the trust over IP for folks that know me a trust over IP stack diagram appears in several chapters. This is here in the obviously to explain the role governance frameworks but what they've come back to as well, actually all literally every layer from top to bottom ultimately relies on digital signatures, right? Even the layer one, right? It's all still basic underlying cryptography and so the contention I've heard a number of times is you don't to get to deliver on a lot of the SSI value propositions, we don't need the new legislation. We just need it to recognize. I definitely know that what they were after in California specifically for digital health credentials and that really is for explicit legislative recognition of a digitally signed health credential as having the same effect as a physical credential. But again, you can argue that, well, if it's digitally signed, it is a digital signature laws already give you that legal admissibility. They wanted to make it stronger and they actually wanted to authorize processes to use them that it was unclear would be authorized today. I don't know how helpful that is. I do think it's good as anytime I'm asked about, well, how can this actually legally work? That's my first answer as well. It's all digital signatures. There is actually somebody on this call who's a member of the EIS, effort, his name is Stefan. And if he wants to say anything about the legality of digital signatures or even FFI in the EIDS context, which I know the time you already mentioned. Stefan, do you want to say anything? Yeah, can you hear me? Yes. Yes, good. Well, yes and no, what actually happens is in your digital signature, well, the electronic signature framework is basically derived from the EIS regulation, which happens to be the same regulation defined the framework for identity schemes. That whole framework is undergoing revision process now. And in fact, it's, I don't know to what extent you're aware of this, but it's been announced that there would be a Pan European digital identity scheme and it's possible, although not completely, not fully confirmed that it would be either based on or borrowing from SSI schemes, right? That remains to be seen. I know that I'm not directly involved in that effort. So I can't really, I'm not authorized to comment on this, but that is certainly a development that is followed with great interest by the group of people working on the EIS revision process. I, again, I'm no specialist in it, but the Nacho Emilio's chapter refers to just what you were just saying and says the same thing, which is there's a distinct chance that, you know, that it will, that Pan Canadian, I mean, Pan European identity will be influenced. I'm always very impressed by the fact and that chapter talks about SSI, specific projects have received more funding in the EU by far than any place. I mean, Canada is doing a fantastic job, but the specific funding that I've seen is for more general infrastructure. BC is sort of a special exception for what John Jordan and his team have been able to do there. But the Canadian, I mean, the EU commission and the grants around the European SSI framework and the SF Labs and the whole incubation program they have there, I've been one of the advisors there, but they've got, I think it's over 30 companies that have gone through that and are working on SSI components. It's fantastic, it's a very enlightened view on, there you go. I can't believe we actually don't have a chapter from Dan Bachenheimer in here. I'm working with him very closely right now on digital health passes and he's practically an encyclopedia. Look at all these references, Dan, I should just, I gotta save this chat. Can you see him? I think there should be an announcement made in this respect next month, actually. So, well, I mean, scheduled towards the end of April, maybe early May, but within a fairly short-term horizon, effectively. That would be fantastic. And it reminds me to mention what we, actually, since I have the galley, let me stop sharing this one. And I have the galley proof. Actually, it's not a galley proof yet, it is, it's the copyrighted proof. So you're gonna see a very marked up document. This is great. You see the sausage being made, but let me just share it because I wanna make this point. Okay, yeah, this one right here. So all the appendages, all the front matter is in one galley proof that we've already been through and this is the appendices which themselves run to, what does it say here? Yeah, it's like 45 pages of appendices. In any case, what I wanna do is quickly preview the fact that the first appendix is gonna list the live book chapters that we have, that again, they're not gonna be in the print book because of the space limitation, but we have nine additional chapters already and the beautiful thing with live book is we can continue to add chapters as there are developments like the ones we're just talking about, right? If there was a legislation passed in the EU or plus we can also update existing chapters. So I'll just give you a quick preview of what else is covered there. There's a whole chapter from Amit Sharma who leads the compliance, where is it, right in here? Compliance and Inclusive Finance Working Group the Southern Foundation on FSI payments, financial services. Again, that group is almost two years old and it's a condensation of all the things around Inclusive Finance, super cool stuff. The chapter that is the long-term plan, but again, space limitations on VLEIs written by the core executive team at GLIFE that they've, I think, presented here before you've heard that story, but there's again, more detail there. Fantastic chapter on healthcare. And what I love about this, I just had a Zoom last week with Paul Knowles, Manny and Nijjar. If folks are not aware, Manny is an infectious disease specialist who started basically an SSI company for doctors, true. But when COVID hit, he backed off and was on the front line. But honestly, the front line, he caught COVID about two months in. So he's been through it directly, he's had it. He's assigned to the hospital in the UK system that has, is basically sort of ground zero. It's the most active hospital in treating COVID cases there. And so he's been on the front line for the entire time here. And yet he still found time to complete this chapter with Paul. So it just feels highly, highly relevant. Andre Kudra, I think may have been a guest here as well. He and his team did a whole chapter on enterprise identity and access management. I am, you know, and how it can be, you know, adapted retrofitted for SSI, quite cool. A chapter written by the CEO of Irish Life in Ireland, of course, on how insurance will be reinvented. And that's, you know, it's not theoretical. They are working on, you know, making that so in Ireland in a pretty cool project going on over there right now. Chapter from Red Cross, Nathan Cooper, the Red Cross, and with Dormos, the world, what is it? I forget the title down here. World Vision International, right? Two folks that are working right on the front lines of that. And then a chapter on digital guardianship, of which three of the four authors are attorneys in that space that are contributing to that. Fantastic chapter on design principles for SSI from Johannes Yasmine, who did a two-year research project to result in these principles, which inspired, by the way, the principles of SSI that were published in 15 languages by the Sovereign Foundation in December. Which we actually added as appendix E, the final one in there. And then a most interesting chapter, I don't know if you attended the IAW session or have read Philip Sheldrake's writings. We end the book on a very down note, which is early reviewers of the book that Manning had looked at and said, this is a very sunny view. You know, there's not enough sort of doses of reality of how long this is gonna take or what could go wrong. So we wanted to make sure to include the chapter about what could go wrong, because it is a very, very thought provoking chapter. And I've spent quite a bit of time with Philip correcting some misunderstandings about SSI, but even after you do that, there are ways it could really go wrong. And so we said, okay, let's make sure that, and he's been working on improving that chapter for, you know, for over six months now. So in fact, that's the very last chapter that's gonna be finished. So I'm gonna stop there. I know we're almost out of time. I just wanted to give you a sense of, hey, there's more than you won't find these in the meep edition until they've been added, but then they'll be in the live book as soon as they're there. So I know we're almost out of time. Any other questions I can answer? When's the book signing ceremony? You know, first of all- Digital signatures are just a regular. Wet signature. Yes, you have a digitally signed copy of the book. With the harsh of the book as it exists. So what's funny is my wife was actually asking me the same thing. It's like, well, when a book like this comes out, what happens, right? And I'm like, well, first of all, that's what happens with books these days, right? Is you don't necessarily have physical, you do have physical books, but you don't, you know, and then it's like, plus you had COVID and I have no idea. I have no idea. I know that Manning does, you know, they do various promo things, but, you know, I mostly, and just so folks know the deal right at the outset that we wanted to say, hey, we want all these contributing authors. Like I said, we were thinking maybe 20, and here we have 45, is 100% of the proceeds go to the three community efforts that have helped us do this, right? IW, right? Rebooting Web of Trust and SSI Meetup, right? It's just, we're just going to plow it back in to continue to grow the community. And, you know, and forums like these where we learn all this together. So, and I don't have it right here, but it was really great, you know, writing the acknowledgements in the front because what I acknowledge more than anything is the global SSI community that has made all this possible because, you know, it's only happening with all of us working together on it. And I think everyone here and Vipin for holding this forum so we can build this stuff. Wonderful. As you know, if you have been attending these calls, we have covered a lot of that material, maybe not in the depth that it, in the book, but we've certainly did dids, IOTs, you know, SSI itself, all of the, you know, a lot, a lot, a lot of stuff. EIDAS like two years ago, EIDAS beginnings. So we, we like to flatter ourselves that we are at the forefront of this revolution. And of course, we have more than SSI here because we are an entity working group in Hyperledger. So that's said, I think we thank Drummond for a most fascinating presentation of the book and of course, all the other others who participated, including Dan and Stefan and Jim. Thank you. And I'll have the chat also in the Wiki page so that Drummond, you can get access to the links in the chat if you need to. Fantastic. Can I write one last comment? My, why have I thought about the live book, Drummond? The way you're presenting it, the way you're thinking about it is incredible. So there's so much going on. And I know your whole life is pretty much dedicated to this and nothing else. You have nothing else going on in your entire life. You don't have SSI for sure. But the rest of the world that doesn't have the ability to drive either your knowledge, your skills, and the time that you put into this, I really think the live book is fantastic because as you point out, there's three different organizations you're trying to benefit in a sense. So if you said, well, if you don't look at the live book, where are you going to go? You're going to go to all these other standards bodies and so on and then look for real world experiences, projects and everything else. And if your intent is that these authors are going to maintain the live book in some fashion on these chapters, that would be a phenomenal value to the world period. I'll say that. I couldn't underestimate how valuable that would be. That's like Wikipedia of SSI, if you will. It's a wonderful... Jim, can I use that quote back to the Manning editors? I mean, I think they're very enthusiastic. I don't think they've realized just how... And when I was going back through the galleries where we have to review all this, I got like three or four chapters into it and my job was on the floor. I went, I can't believe how much information we've actually all over the last two years. And I'm like, I could never hand out... It would take me just weeks to just compile all the references that are in there. And I love the point that you're making. The live book can continue to keep those live, right? Yeah, absolutely. I really look forward to that. And by the way, anyone who is saying, oh, I've got a chapter that I want to contribute to the live book, just get in touch. Because it's really actually going to be a fairly lightweight process. Yeah, okay. I know we're out of time. And thank you, Vip and thank you, everyone. And let's make it happen. Thank you. You bet. Take care. Bye.