 Hello and welcome to MIPS TV and with me is ever is Bob Cook and Bob he's gonna review some more books and he's got a really exciting book today I have to say and the first one is explorations in transactional analysis the Metsch Lake papers It sounds like it should be the title for a film Bob never mind a book, but it's by William F. Cornell and Again, he was quite a big person in the relational school. I believe wasn't it? So what's this book about? Okay, this is a I think it's a seminar book because he's such a big figure in transactional analysis He's been going for a long time and this book is called the Metsch Lake papers and it's called the Metsch Lake papers because As he says is introduction Now oh, I don't know how long ago now, but a colleague in the transactional analysis movement phoned him up I said you do a lot of writing you've done a lot of articles Have you put all these articles together and he said no he he hadn't she said well come to my cottage And sit down for a week and put them all together and write any new material So he did do and the cottage was The other side of a lake called mech M E E C 8 so he called in this process the Metsch Lake and You know, this is why it's called the Metsch Lake papers around every year for the last I don't know how many years he goes to this cottage the other side of Metsch Lake and writes all new You know all these new material sexics. So the book came out of This exploration into transaction houses and all his articles over the last 30 years Which he put in his book and Metsch Lakes are presuming somewhere in America. Is it? Yeah, I'm not sure but it's in the USA because he's American. Yeah, I'm each like papers. So What is it that kind of attracts you to this particular book Bob? Okay, so this spans his thinking developmentally So in other words when he started to be introduced, you know, really just in transaction houses was many many years I think it was the end of 1969 and he's written many Wonderful articles over that time and especially for the transaction is his journal and he's responsible such evolutionary thoughts in the idea of script and the script for example develops over time From the beginning you born to where we are now and not just over the five or six years And he wrote a great article about that and then he explores his thinking into some of his ideas on the re-decision school and of course his entry very much into the unconscious remit and the child egos date and right up to date to his It's where he stands now really which is in the relational school Yes, yes, and we met him before haven't we William F. Cornel or built to his friends Yeah, I think I think we spoke about here I think we did a book review about the relational school And it might be it might be interested just further for those people who are viewing who may have just come across this video So to kind of just outline that there's different schools of TA isn't there? Okay, yeah, and and Cornel would be in the latest school are the most up-to-date school. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I mean very quickly he spans all these different schools But where he resides now and a lot of his articles is the relational school 2008 Helena Argadon so very very quickly Eric Burn 1961 to 1970 when he died the classical school that's strengthening up the other or eager state then we had a void and two other approaches vied for the You know that whole position of leadership within transaction analysis because every person died And that was the Catechus school That's the parent in school as I call it by Jackie Schiff and simultaneous at the same time the Redecision school by Bob and Mary Gouldings who talked about change really occurring in the child egos date So then you had three approaches Really that TA people could belong to or they could decide to affiliate to You have the obviously the classical school going along that's burn or the burning in school You've got the Catechus school and the new Redecision school and then in 88 Another school started to also via its head and that's the integrative school Richard Erskine Who's been writing for many years since the early 70s on integrative cycle therapy that became an approach very much in the late 1980s 1990s with the birth of his conference an international organization and then taking right up to date We have the relational school 2002 2008 to 2017 So you've got different approaches and according to which type of TA you are what type of transaction as this appeals to you You will mean that you flavor the particular style of transaction analysis. I think that's just so helpful Bob and thank you because You know the I think I think for a lot of people especially students Think TA is just kind of fixed in the burning in school and to see that arc of development Since Burns death in 1970 was amazing. He was only active for nine years, which is incredible. Isn't it's a great testament to To him through a nine-year span and to see that arc of development is really really useful Maybe we'll we'll explore those ideas in in in another podcast So so this book Written by William F Cornell. What what is it? What is the kind of USP Bob? What is why would people buy this book? And why is it? Why would it be useful? You'd buy this book if you wanted to Really understand the arc of development in transaction analysis over time This is a person who's lived these different approaches. He's been around in the development the expansion of these different approaches and there's a written seminal articles across the arc of time and Also, you buy it if you want to follow his latest things things and you know TA to relational TA but really Importantly, it's it really shows and illustrates his thinking over the arc of time in transaction analysis So it's perfect for students who want to compare and contrast The birth and the development and the evolution of transaction houses And for the lay reader it shows a real in-depth model, which has been evolved over the last 60 years Yeah, and I think I think that's really interesting. He's almost like an archivist, isn't he? He he would he would talk about the entire arc So if someone was a student they could buy this and it would reference all those different schools that you spoke of earlier Yes, yes, that's right. Yeah, yeah, and certainly would would it I think about 30 I don't know I can't promote having counted them up for probably 25 of his seminal articles over time Which shows his thinking and evolution Theoretically rather than the perhaps the different schools, but certainly where he is now which puts them in a relational school Yeah Well, I mean it sounds like a brilliant book as I said in the introduction the title sounds like it should be a film The Mesh the Mesh Lake papers. It sounds it sounds like a 1970s kind of conspiracy book But it does all joking apart Bob It does it does sound like a really must-have book for anyone who who's interested in a history of TA Who's interested in its development its arc of development from its beginnings with the burning school Right up to the relational school and you talk about the catharsis school and the re-decision school all that in between And as usual Bob, yeah, and as usual Bob Bob's this is not a paid placement Bob is just doing this His love of literature One final point this book was written in 2008 Just at the same time as that seminal book by Nina Hargan and came out and Charlotte Sills Which was relational transaction analysis, so he doesn't cover 2008 to 2017 So when it came out is right in the middle of the birth of the relational school So this is a book of seminal articles about many theoretical perspectives Not just the relational school. He's gone on to write lots of articles 2008 2017 about the layman school, but if the this book covers his seminal thinking in articles over long period of time Yeah, so it's also like a book of essays Almost correct. Yeah Wonderful for students and me alike. I really enjoyed this book It really gave me a sense of inspiration and belonging to a worldwide movement, which has evolved and developed to such a wonderful Absolutely Bob, so what we'll do is as usual put a link in the title So anybody who's interested in that book can click on and go and have a look at it And what we'll do is also we'll put in the outro We'll just put a picture on the name of the book so people can write that down. So as always Bob cut. Thank you very much Thank you