 the fight against COVID-19. There's quite a lot of stuff beginning to happen. Just beginning. Quite exciting times. It's awesome. I think we all believe that this technology can have a difference in in our new COVID acceptance world or COVID dealing. Ken, if you can begin. Thank you for sharing. Ken, all good. You could do an introduction yourself for the group as well. Thanks, Mike. This is Ken, all good. Founder and CEO of HealthFlow and Resilience Labs. We, Resilience Labs side, it's a consulting firm. We work with DOD and VA Health, specifically supporting MLP and machine learning and blockchain pilots. We've done a couple specifically with the DOD-VA from a health exchange perspective last year and this year. HealthFlow is a health exchange and patient-centric health data delivery platform that we're in the process of building right now and hope to have at least some initial pilots starting beginning the next calendar year. Awesome. Thank you very much for sharing. And we will get started then. Before we get into our agenda, we have to be aware of the Linux Foundation anti-trust policy. Pretty much this is a summary that explains do not disclose anything you wouldn't want to be addressed into the public. Any trade secrets, any individual company secrets that may hold you liable in the future. Do not share them. Disclose them. This is an open forum. Please, and any IP concerns you may have with other partners or companies that are in your ecosystem or network, do not disclose them. Be kind to each other and also to have open thoughts and opinions for this forum. So thank you very much for adhering to that. Now, I want to get two things out of the way to kind of showcase everything to everyone. For everything, blockchain and healthcare news to get a weekly write-up on what is going on in the world of blockchain healthcare today. I highly encourage you to check out Robert Miller's sub-stack account as every Sunday, Monday, he releases new information for the blockchain healthcare world on what is going on in industry. I'm going to put that in the chat right here for everyone to reference too if you're not already subscribed. Oh, and Marta, Marta's with us as well but I'll get to her in one second so she'll introduce herself personally as well. I also encourage everyone to be able to check out Ray Doggum's Health on Chain podcast which usually every week or week and a half he has a new guest on that is related to industry that is able to describe a new perspective through a podcast format. Most recently he had Leah Houston from HPEC which is looking to create a self-sovereign physician network that is based on blockchain technology as well. In prior episodes he's had many different guests including people from my company Consensus Health and others so I highly suggest that everyone takes a look at his podcast as well. I'll put that in the chat too and you can be able to reference that as well. I also then would like to introduce two new members that are very good they're going to be associated with the healthcare special interest group and first I want to give attention. I don't have it on the direct agenda here but I would like to introduce you to Marta who is part of the hyperledger ecosystem team and she's now going to be our ecosystem lead as David Boswell has spent the past two years with Rich Block and others to help guide us and connect us to industry and partners and so Marta if you could give an introduction to yourself to the group and tell everyone a little bit about you. Thank you for inviting me and welcoming me in the group. I've been working with hyperledger for four years now and I've been working with other special interest groups in fact I actually helped setting up a special interest group just as I started my work with hyperledger after a year or so David Boswell took over and helped get the group up and running. I am currently coordinating for the public sector and large interest groups so this will be my third one. On day-to-day basis I will be the system team on our members and member engagement and also I run the academic program so prime to connect with different universities so I'm happy to you know talk more about what I do if you have any questions you can always email me Marta at indexfoundation.org and I just hope to be a resource for this group to help you with anything to do with hyperledger. All right thank you very much for that and now we'll move on as we now have a member of the hyperledger special interest group that is looking to take on as the use case development lead and that is John Hatchel. John if you could give a proper introduction to yourself and describe what are some of the action items and missions you hope to accomplish within the use case development group so please go ahead. Hey good morning everyone yeah thanks Mike my name is John Hatchel I I've got a pretty diverse background in healthcare I have about 15 years in leadership in the medical device space and then just recently moved over into a risk management consulting firm beginning of the year where we help create you know risk management programs through consulting and through brokerage for for healthcare entities and such as hospitals, ambulatory surgery centers you name it all the way down to as granular as digital health and telehealth organizations so that takes about the bulk of my time. I also represent through my through my broker license a company called Evertas which is the the only commercial blockchain insurance carrier that exists at this point so that's been been exciting and and give open me up to to hold a world to you know how to manage the risk and all these organizations and then for when Mike approached me about this group it was exciting for me because I'm currently engaged in my own startup project right now currently where again you know I've done a lot of the research necessary in trying to figure out you know what's a great you know a great concept to try to prove and try to provide proof of value on and we're currently working towards developing a minimally viable product for for a pilot here at the end of the year so you know with with just talking to Erica who was involved with this group prior it looks like this it just needs a little bit of a jumpstart and I know that the areas of focus currently are pharmaceutical supply chain processing medical records credentialing and insurance payer management so my hope is to try to engage with folks that are on the call today and others that may not maybe folks that that you may know that are that are in the community or have interest in being part of the community I think this is a great place to start if there's people who are interested in furthering their understanding of this great technology you know I think the way that I hope to lead this group as we move forward is early on and probably we'll get we'll kick off in the next next couple weeks here first just by exploring successful use cases and startups and organizations that have deployed novel use cases of this technology and healthcare and then move on from there with a little bit of group thinking and group thought of of new use case ideas that that we can explore and then from there starting to just to build upon an overall use case and for development and I would the goal would be is over a 12 month period to try to to come up with with a possible test for for proof of concept and and possibly even pursue some sort of MVP if we if we had the capabilities to do it so I'm hoping that again it's we can try to drive some engagement to this group and again I would encourage folks to to try to advocate for for participation either by if yourself if you're if you're if you're available or or folks that you know within within the community who may have some interest in being involved because again we're only going to be as good as the people who lend themselves to it and again diversity of thought is the key to really progressing this movement forward. Thank you very much John that is a great overview and what we're going to be working on with the use case development group as well as creating frameworks and value creation templates in place that could be able to show things like data reconciliation manual reconciliation access to consent management and tools and information related to healthcare records etc so we will be looking to over time hopefully create a framework that all people that want to use any type of DLT solution whether hyperledger or not could be benefit could benefit through this type of framework so it's going to be an exciting phase. I also have some great news to under to announce that Al Farrington who was on the last special interest group meeting is looking to help us out with confluence and to make our our confluence website a little bit more modern and to be able to to make it better frankly because I'm not the confluence expert so we'll be we'll be utilizing him to help help out with the website and so and I also want to be able to announce two different events that are coming up for us for one on November 4th which is the Wednesday after the US presidential election. I'm luckily hosting an event with IEEE specifically within their blockchain and AI working groups which is our industry day. Within the industry day we have a great program that's going to be able to showcase some people of relevance in industry. For one we have we have Droman Reed from Evernim which is going he's Evernim is a company that's creating digital identity standards that are connecting into decentralized IDs also within the web 3c the world wide web consortium and and connecting into a lot of standards bodies that are associated with digital identity as we all know digital identity is very important for blockchain and being able to identify who's accessing networks and private networks etc and he'll be able to describe how this is going to be beneficial for medical devices. We even have one of the IEEE working groups within the medical imaging sector that are going to demonstrate their product of sorry I can't really see this overview because of the sidebar of everyone's thumbnail but they have been able to create a 3d topological mapping solution that uses big data it's using just many different data sources to be able to create an augmented intelligence mechanism that can be able to predict how biomedical data imaging files will be able to either grow or how specific diseases and ailments may be attributed to specific demographics and should be an interesting workshop as I'm not a medical imaging expert but I'm going to learn a lot for that. We also then have our friend Ben Taylor who is going to present on Bruin Chain and how Bruin Chain has been a drug supply chain solution and platform for those that are sending pharmaceuticals especially for emergency use authorization that is addressed by the FDA and for COVID-19 so should be a great presentation there. We also have Suzanne Somerville who is from Chronicle who works on the Meta Ledger project. Meta Ledger is a project that uses blockchain to help for charge backs and and just data reconciliation within healthcare in the life science industry and she'll she always gives a very motivating talk of how blockchain can enable the future especially in relation to medical devices. This whole conference is focused on blockchain AI for medical devices. We then have Susan Raminat from Spiritus and Mitch Parker who is the CIO of Indiana University Health which will showcase the software build materials pilot. We then have Katie Colding who will be showcasing her AI-based platform that showcases how respiratory devices system symptoms should be on there are actually being able to surveil and help mitigate against predictive risk for respiratory symptoms which should be valuable for COVID-19 as well and we also have Brian Anderson who is one of the directors at MITRE which is a nonprofit organization that really helps out in government projects as well as working with healthcare and medical companies sorry healthcare systems in the United States. Brian's going to give an example of his clinical data analytics platform which uses aspects of federated learning. Federated learning is creating a data analytical or a machine learning model between multiple participants in a network that is protected by cryptography so you don't actually have to see the original message or details of that data but still are able to find the insights overall and they've combined some very very high level health data together to help understand patient data in regards to COVID-19 and the fight is in us campaign and I'm excited for that and then John Greaves and Jim St. Clair are going to conclude us for the the day so I'm off my soapbox and that that program is going to be great. I also want to let everyone know that on our next session sorry not our next session two sessions from now on November 25th the Wednesday before Thanksgiving we will have Ledger domain present their new updated platform their blockchain for pharmaceutical supply chain platform and and how they're specifically using this for pharmaceutical companies to verify pharmaceuticals and other devices in the fight against COVID-19 so I'm excited for those presentations coming up any questions on those so far for any details what Mike when are they and are you going to send us an information to join yeah it's going to be part of the general meeting on 1125 for Ledger domain and then for the program you can be able to register for the IEEE event here through this it looks so awful that thumbnail but okay that's what we got so this is how you can be able to join for the IEEE event and for Ledger domain you will just use the Zoom link we do to join these meetings and that'll be on 1125 so just for all you all to be aware and also this is our general meeting link here today so you'll be able to see the agendas in real time rather than me just sharing my screen as well so is that good enough information yes thank you awesome any other questions about those updates and new happenings within the healthcare special interest group awesome I we also as a healthcare special interest group the subgroup leads were not able to make their meetings today but Denise, Ravish, Stephen, myself, Erica and John are meeting on Friday at four o'clock eastern time to be able to ideate on how we could have better communication between the subgroups and the special interest group to keep you all updated on the projects and the developments that are going on within the subgroups so we are trying to to be a little bit more active than we were in the past so before we get into I want to be able to go into the a couple research papers that I found somewhat interesting within the healthcare science world but I wanted to share with you all a great opportunity that came from the Department of Commerce through my avenues this week they are actually looking to or sorry this is the global giving one I want to show you the Department of Commerce one first so the US Department of Commerce is launching a 25 million dollar sprint challenge to address COVID-19 coronavirus pandemic thought entrepreneurship through this they'll be giving grants to how many companies at least $500,000 over a 12 month period and if you are able to meet the standards and criteria that are given by the Department of Commerce you could also win up to $750,000 as well this could be an interesting sprint challenge for some of the things you and your teams are looking to provide so I highly suggest you sign up for this link especially if you're part of the United States if not you could be outside of the United States and still benefit our US government if you want to be able to accept their money so that is the link to be able to access that as well but there's also a new list for COVID-19 grants and nonprofits for small businesses for those are in startup environments you'd be able to head to this website to check out all these different philanthropic and other opportunities that can be relevant for you so I wouldn't make that aware for you that are looking for money to raise your projects and it can be very beneficial any questions on these two resources that I found all right awesome so let's go into some paper reviews and then we'll kind of go into an open forum so a couple papers I thought that were relevant one I found from IEEE in the future directions working group an article that states about how IEEE in social there's a lot of social implications of emerging technologies that are going to be relevant to the future pandemic or the pandemic that is going on right now here is the overall link for that article it includes aspects of big data blockchain 5g in drones uh the the overview I really got from this is that blockchain is going to help with contact tracing and surveillance but there are a lot of aspects of if you're using blockchain to store information on it forever that that hash and that data may not be as relevant when you have to keep on when you have to continuously change a health record which is kind of basic stuff we're all aware of but um let's go over how telecommunications and some networking companies will have to uh somewhat be governing bodies in in order to distribute access to this information and that you know typical digitizing and getting people used to digitization and applications and mobile phones and desktop browser servers aren't going to be a problem that's going to come as as the years go on but uh interesting article they're only something for us to be aware of and uh also about how the chain supply chain how drones maybe and autonomous vehicles may not be driven by actual humans yet they'll be able to transport devices nothing that's like earth shattering there but uh and this is the section that's found with connecting the unconnected it's really interesting the the more I think about blockchain technology and anyone please speak up if any of these type of topics are relevant to you the more I get involved with blockchain technology the more I realize that uh it's very relevant for people that are in high populated groups and cities and metropolitan areas whereas in rural situations and in rural communities where there's less people you have to trust or sorry there's less people you interact with so in hindsight you trust them more blockchain is not as relevant unless you are using blockchain for supplies and many materials and for farming uh you know it's just different needs and I just find that kind of interesting as of late uh anyone else if you have thoughts on that love to hear them yeah Mike I'd like to weigh in on that it's Leah um I was speaking to a group out of India the other day that they sort of needed help with their medical projects so I've given I'm giving them a bit of assistance but they brought up a really interesting use case around rural medical health and the patients have to pay for their medications each time they see a doctor and so this is quite common in the rural parts where they're not funded by governments or by insurance companies in terms of their health cover and I thought it was a really interesting case in terms of centralising that information so that patients can share them uh with their different health care stakeholders so that's just something that I wanted to bring to to like here where you know I'm sort of I think in different health care systems we're used to I guess either hospitals or health care facilities having our information available or being able to access that information in this case patients are sort of having to pay for their information and then they're having to get duplicate tests done so for example whether it be radiology or pathology they're getting sort of compromised on that and disadvantaged on that so I think blockchain has a real part in rural communities with sharing information as well so I just wanted to add that in and maybe get people's feedback on that if there's any and sorry for the background noise no worries any feedback or any uh additional comments on that all right please check out that article to give it a read there also was this article found on pubmed to discuss blockchain technology opportunities for solving rural problems and health care and biomedical science uh this is a longer read and kind of incorporates many different aspects of uh secure patient IDs which is a topic I'm very uh interested in and looking to kind of kind of build on a lot more so I highly encourage you all to take this literature separately and see if it's relevant to you and your practices there's a lot of and I bring this up I feel like every week but there's so many semantic representation problems when it comes to patient identification as well as when you think of storing healthcare information typically your health information is never inputted by you yourself you usually need a physician or someone that is a trained medical and credentialed professional that is really writing your physical history of yourself and we don't have many attempts for us to write down the details associated to our own body to express itself we usually need a third party and and yes I think aspects of aspects of telemedicine or telehealth and telehealth services and video being able to diagnose and and kind of understand how and why our body is working is useful but it's also hurting that credential and and trusting the information that that physicians are able to see from us right because there's only so much you can see in a video there's only so many things you can understand that I'm kind of interested in hearing from other people's opinion on whether they believe these emerging or not emerging but that technology and remote capabilities and and and creating incentives for people to report their own you know details of their biome and their body could be relevant I'd love to hear people's thoughts on that. Mike I can share some thoughts just because I consult a number of digital health and telehealth organizations so I've got probably a a little bit more information than most most consumers in the market so you know one of the things that is probably necessary I guess to make the data more substantial is and this is kind of a it's a little bit of a sidebar but it's remote patient monitoring and those type of devices necessary to to ensure the accuracy of a lot of the information that's being input right because that's it's at the end of the day it's you know we in health care especially those involved in patient care you'll hear the term garbage in garbage out quite a bit which is you know if it's bad data going in right you know bad things come on the back end right so that's that's been a challenge I think for a lot of people involved in direct patient care right now is that you know when you when you have a lot of self reporting going on the problem is is that patients aren't exactly that forthcoming as you would hope right and so that's why I think the advancement of technology around wearables you know there's there's a million and one technologies that are in development right now related to its rpm that that that are going to be crucial so so I think blockchain can be a facilitator of that data and almost like you know helping to you know create some transparency between that you know that that physician patient relationship which is necessary in the whole you know health health care 3.0 concept that everyone's trying to get to but there is going to be there's going to be necessary it's going to be necessary for for some other technologies to kind of get themselves into the fold to ensure that the delivery of care is adequate to what what what patients are used to receiving to that any other thoughts on that from anyone else I know it's early for some of you but please yeah no I would just I would piggyback on that you're absolutely correct the specifically devices being able to pull that data into the overall record using the blockchain from a trust perspective to be able to provide that that information the metadata around the provenance is really going to be a critical piece moving forward and again that's how that's actually how we're leveraging blockchain and health flow is not to store the health data but to store the transaction information and specifically whenever we're talking about external whether it's external devices whether it's home monitoring solutions whether it's diabetes data coming from devices that are either inserted under the skin or are you know the data is actually just being input even prescription inputs whether or not you've taken your pills those sorts of things all of that data can actually then be absorbed and taken into the overall health record from a data feed perspective and again the blockchain even though it's coming from the consumer it adds an additional level of trust for the clinician to then take that in and how use that consumer provided data even though it's coming from devices and things that's coming from the house it's outside of the the practice engagement we now can provide some level of authority some level of trust and more importantly an actual transaction record that shows when it was collected when it was aggregated when it was sent so yeah I mean those are the types of use cases that are more applicable and certainly easier to get into practice getting incorporated because it's more of a supply chain implementation really it's just it's patient data but it's still it's supply chain and it's not data that's so sensitive like health data that it checks all those you know warning clacks and alarms going off and you're also not updating it continuously to your point like that's also why we're not using the blockchain for your health record it's also interesting too that I've always thought in the you know the supply chain aspect of this for people that are doing pupil transportation when I mentioned pupil transportation those are the those are the caregivers and the patient or assisted home living facility folks that are transporting either seniors or people that can't walk on their own or can't don't have that have mobility issues how do you know that someone is you know that's bringing a van to you or your your loved one's home is actually who they say they are and then they're taking you someone you're trusting this third party service that they're going to be able to take you keep you safe make sure you go into the right place because in other countries maybe not in the united states it's a huge issue but I have heard and read of issues like that in india and other parts of the world where there's fraudulent um I'm I'm blanking on the term of assisted living facility caretakers that are that are doing this right and blockchain can be a way to verify that credential right not storing the actual credential but being a transaction gateway to help uh to help ensure that each person is showing multiple credentials whether they're digital ones or physical ones to verify that the attestation of who they actually are and there was a conference this past week or last week called IIW which is about identity it was just a big identity conference and uh some people from the Uport team Uport's a team out of consensus AG the parent company I'm a part of that are looking to create an automatically verified or computationally verified way to attest to the digital identity as they're signing on from either a mobile device but then also attesting to a database or server that goes back and verifies their physical identity whether it's a driver's license or it's actually their their credentials from the hospital is who they say they are so not only does it verify supply chains and actual physical items but it helps verify who people are when they're working in transit as well and I'm very interested in trying to solve the identity problems that help bridge people to work in healthcare environments too. Ravish Ravish has joined us thank you thank you for coming on Ravish if you could give kind of a and sorry we'll pause my thought there but Ravish could you give an update from the the payor's son group and everything you guys are working on so um Mike I apologize this is my I have a regular conflict at this time I'm trying to move that conflict so I can start attending um you know from from next meeting I was able to cut short that one and quickly jump on this one so I apologize for being late um hopefully I will be able to join our time starting next meeting but just a quick update on from pairs of group um we started working on the POC for the modernization for prescription management um and um we we are at a point wherein we have uh we have completed the uh I can't completed the chain code um and we've completed the front end we are trying to tie it together uh last couple meetings there have been some challenges to get everyone um you know together so hopefully we are we are gaining back the momentum and I'm hoping you know by next meeting we will have something uh if we we are done with the integration I think we will be ready for you know full-fledged demo wherein you know the the users can sign up and then they can you know the pair as a pair as a member as a you know pharmacy and see the transaction which includes the consent management and all so that's something that is going on actively I am looking for any support that anyone can provide in the group as well you know additional hands are always helpful with the with the stuff that we are doing but I'm I'm really hopeful in another couple weeks we will be at a point wherein it will be done end to end to be consumed not just by you know someone who understands blockchain but someone as an end user also so that's where we are right now revision what's the best way someone can contact you to see if they can help or refer to you uh what's your email what's the best way to contact you good you put that in the chat yeah I will put that in the chat and if you go to the pair subgroup there is a directory you can get in touch with me as well but I will definitely put that in the chat how to get in touch with me um I know um Erika wanted to you know get engaged with the with the discussions because it's closer to her expertise as well um so we are just trying to get back in momentum um on that and you know any anyone who who can contribute both from you know pharmacy process perspective or pair process perspective or even a member perspective that would be great thank you very much as always and um all right we'll go back into the thing I was talking about earlier but I did want to mention of another uh another link that I thought was uh Leah reach out to Marie um so there was a a report that came out in the state of California that tied in blockchain digital identity for vulnerable populations this one hits home to me as uh I'm based in Philadelphia PA in the United States and unfortunately we have a lot of people that would be considered as part of a vulnerable population either in homeless you know Kakaraz homeless or or not having the financial means to get by uh the state of California actually created a framework that you can be able to create a digital identity and have people access different um resources for funding uh over time and I thought this overview was fantastic so I'm going to put this in the chat as well I'm also going to put this in the agenda too overall um for one there is a project out of the city of Austin that we may have all heard of uh that's called Austin my pass which is also creating a digital identity verified by blockchain to give financial resources whether in cryptocurrency or digital payments to the homeless to be able to receive meals and to be able to receive aid uh I'm very passionate about those projects and I want to be able to to really get the ball moving on some of those things the state of California interviewed some folks from consensus health like Sean Mannion and Dr. Jonathan Holt who usually joins our calls here um but they also interviewed a ton of folks that were actually part of not just academia but were part of the state of California as well if I can go away to the bottom of that highly interesting read I think you all should take a look at it and I'm sorry to give everyone homework but but I thought it was actually really interesting stuff to read don't it it's thing takes a long to get to anyway check out that link uh I'm going to add it into the notes here for everyone to have as well um so yeah that's the that's all the the stuff I wanted to talk about any other questions or comments from the discussion we were having earlier because now it's just open forum and anyone could bring up anything of relevance does anyone having their events newsworthy items things they want to discuss to us Mike since it's open forum I just wanted to put a request one is the you know if possible maybe next meeting or the following meeting I would love to give an overview of the solution that we are we have worked on and second is I have another you know folks that I have been talking to they have built a immunization record system for travel on blockchain it's called immunity I was wondering if we can schedule them for a presentation here I think they have they have done a good job in what they have put together and it might be worthwhile to share that information here you know what they have done and the solution that they have built they are they are focusing on you know capturing the immunization record like yellow fever and now you know with this pandemic over 19 vaccine when it comes through so I will I will send out an email with the details if you can let me know which you know meeting we can schedule them for a quick presentation that would be very helpful and I think it'll help you know all of us to learn more about what they have done awesome thank you very much and I guess Pete is very involved with the my past project so thank you very much for sharing this I'm going to try and attend one of your meetups coming up so that is awesome yeah but we we we're still holding our meetups every month we've moved them earlier in the day because we find evening meetups people are pretty much burnt out but actually this this one coming up in November Adam who's been the the guy running the my past projects is going to present and kind of tell everyone the status of it and talk about how they've you know approached certain areas like authentication and crypto key management stuff so it should be really good not not going to be super technical but it should be very informative that's awesome so so one ravish um just to hit all these items ravish we will have you present the next hyper ledger special interest group general meeting which will be two Wednesdays from now at 10 a.m if that if that's possible for your schedule uh and then uh as well as we could have a muni after thanksgiving in the United States uh which you could be the second week or first week of December I think that could be a good time to add in that one and then Pete I would love to have uh you or people that are involved with my past as just mentioned for sometime in December or January I think these are all very relevant conversation pointers that we could just schedule up we have some speakers that are on board for us but um but we could always mix and match and and kind of organize it not a little bit better but this is great stuff I think uh I'm a huge fan of this my past project so and I'm sure you're probably aware of this California document or if you were interviewed on it yeah I can I can certainly put you in touch with Adam who's who's the man to talk to about my past so and see whether he's available to come and chat more yeah these are the people uh so there's Adam wide awesome cool yeah we'd love to have Adam and and or Dan you know whoever's part of that team love to have him present I think it's it's really cool because I think there's a work a bigger problem of uh being able to get from web 2 to web 3 authentication credentials so what I mean by that is typically today when we sign into systems and applications uh we use a username and a password and then sometimes we lose that password or we lose you know potential private keys etc but how you can make it seamless for where I could use my web 2 credentials and then connect into web 3 systems that is the biggest uh burden that that we can sense to help to try and solve and I'm sure many others are trying to do it as well but um but yeah that's a that's that's definitely um something I think could be useful for the city of Austin my past and and many other solutions that are connecting into blockchain technology and uh and yeah I'm also glad to see my buddy and Jamal here too but yeah all right awesome thanks Pete for that uh if you could my email I'll just put my work email in here for you Pete if you could email me separately about that um so I don't forget it my email is kind of like my calendar and referenced back to it all the time uh let me know about that so I could be able to uh talk to you more about getting the my past people on at some point in December and and Ravish email me you have my email you've had my email but email me a muni in all those details also you can find an muni link put it in the chat here so um we can add to the group yep I will get back to you and I let me find the link while we are here exactly anything else from others of the group any other details questions comment and sense this is a pretty active format compared to some of the two previous ones I've had so I'm glad that we've got more people involved and uh I hope everyone can refer others to join this group as well I don't want to just make it like a um you know a general podcast and I don't want to make it an introductory sessions either I want everyone to be mentally stimulated and and feel they learn something we're made in your connection today so please uh continually drive come to these meetings and and bring others as well uh you know the more collaboration more people the better and the more we could actually show the value ads of blockchain for healthcare and life science so anything else yeah I just wanted to add a comment um I was just gonna say it's great to hear all the work that's happening in the US things are pretty slow over here in Europe so it's great to actually leverage of this group and to hear the things that have done being done in this space because I think we really need to I'm trying to advocate and push things forward here as well and so uh this is a great group to to participate in so I'm going to try to rally up a few more troops to to participate on this end of the world yeah great so thank you also anyone let me know if we can get more you know outside the US to participants projects because obviously I focus a lot in North America's but I'd love to get you know Guillermo if you could also you know connect me with people down south a little more and and everything I'd love to make this more not just US centric and Marja too Marja's based in the UK so she should probably have a great idea of people connected as well I'm looking to get uh folks from Pharma Ledger on at some point in January to give a present especially Daniel Fritz who's put in Novartis uh looking to get him to present and give some details on that project but um from others yeah definitely more worldly viewpoint all right well um if that's it thank you everyone for for joining today uh I hope this was a beneficial session and uh and we'll see you in two weeks excited to keep some of the progress going Ravish you need to send us a link on a uni no I'm trying to find out in my emails give me one okay and by uh I'll otherwise I'll send it to you and you can distribute it Mike um that would be a better idea of course um uh also oh Ravish Leah wants you to send your email so she can be able to reach out to you and Alicia also I'm going to try and send all these links in an email or I might just even put it on the general meeting notes and just add them as links as well so you everyone can refer back to it but if you're part of the email list of the healthcare hyperledger special interest group you'll be able to see these updates too and Erica has great notes for us too because she is amazing and helping us out with it too she is our vice chair here obviously so and I think I've been uh I think I sent my email ID as well looks like I've sent it to you accidentally then to everyone else so I just posted that again and Leah and and Eric I've been messaging you but looks like the message I mean to your your questions and those messages are going to Mike so just if if uh um Erica I'll reach out to you if you can shoot me a quick email I just sent shared my email if you can share your email with me at least I can send you some questions that we need help with and Leah you have my email now so you should be able to get in touch with me and just our pairs of group meetings are every other Fridays 1 p.m. Eastern Standard Time we are trying to reschedule that for a better time so that you know some of the other part of the world can join so I'm targeting earlier in the day probably around 7 a.m or 8 a.m or something like that Eastern Time so it can be you know it's easy for everyone to join or maybe 10 a.m Eastern Time so it's everyone it's easy for everyone to join awesome thanks for that uh I also want to I guess give a plug for there's a conference called Blockchain Revolution Global uh if anyone wants to join that I have to be part of the virtual booth from now until one o'clock so if anyone wants to come hang out and talk Blockchain Healthcare with me on this virtual booth which I've never done before uh please feel free to join actually I think you have to be registered the event anyways it's probably useless to to plug but yeah that's something I have to do for the next two hours all right I will send out these notes soon thank you for joining and have a good rest of your week let's uh let's make it relevant thank you thank you guys bye bye