 When I'm dreaming at night it seems real to me I couldn't differentiate if the people that exist in my in my dream This seems very real and I can talk to them I can touch them and even seem to happen to you. So when I awake, I know that it's illusions So is that the same thing for my life right now? How real is this life? Would it be possible in one day when I awake all these are just illusion to me all people is going to be gone The problem is you're reading bits and pieces of Zen Okay bits and pieces of Zen are dangerous Bits and pieces of anything is dangerous now what you're saying is true in a way because 99% of your life is just thought and emotion Thought and emotion is just a projection of life not life. Isn't it when 99% of the time you're only thinking about life Thought to emotion is also a kind of thought a juicier thought isn't it? Thought is dry emotion is juicy, but still a thought isn't it? The way you think is the way you feel isn't it so? Yes Isn't it so? Now you if you think oh, this is a wonderful person. You will have sweet emotions towards that person Oh, this is a horrible person. You will have nasty emotions towards that person You can't think this is a wonderful person and have nasty emotions. You can't think this is a horrible person and have sweet emotions Isn't it so? Because the way you think is the way you feel Thought and emotion are not different They're the same thing. They're just thought one is dry another is juicy Because it's juicy. It has a drag time. So you think they're different. So you can be thinking like this today You can be thinking this is a very wonderful person tomorrow morning. He does something that you don't like suddenly you can think He's a horrible guy. You thought immediately takes a right angle turn, but emotion cannot turn so quick It takes a long turn Takes a few days or a months, but after some time it'll come and join the thought isn't it so? Yes, it has a drag time Emotion will not turn immediately. So you think they're different. They are not different They are same. It is just thought one is dry another is juicy. So your whole life is just thought and emotion So it is very much like a dream. It is So now that you were on to Zen you must know about Changsu who went about doing this Changsu was a great Zen master In his ministry he had many monks and he's a recognized master One day morning suddenly he's in great state of misery So when they saw the master in misery Everybody got terrified If the master is in misery something really bad must have happened because always he's joyful and nice So senior most monks slowly approached him and asked master what is happening Said don't you disturb me. I'm in a deep distress get away I said if you are in distress that should be death for us. Please tell us what is causing distress to you Then Changsu said oh Yesterday night in my dream. I was a butterfly The monk said what is wrong being a butterfly we've been many things sometimes we've been pigs We've been birds. We've been many things that is no problem, but a fly is quite good Which wrong with the butterfly said you idiots you don't understand when I was a butterfly I actually flew I went and sat in the flower. I could feel the flower. I could smell the flower I could taste the flower. It was all real Now I don't know whether I am Changsu dreaming to be a butterfly or am I a butterfly dreaming to be a Changsu Which is true because both look equally weird and real When you live just on the thought process. This is how it is He's using is it a method to shock his monks out of their stupor of Spirituality because people are reading Sutras and this and there they think what they read and what they think is spirituality So he's trying to knock their psychological structure out so that they become existential If you're experiencing life life Not thought not emotion life if you're experiencing life as such such a question will not come But when most of your life is just thought and emotion it is very true. It is very much a dream. It's just another projection