 20 grams of loyal followers. And salams to the two of you, my brothers, one from the bubble in Goa and another from a different sort of bubble in Srinagar. Ishwak and Meiraj, two legends of Kashmir football, both of whom have played for all of the big three Calcutta clubs, East Bengal, Mohan Bagan and of course, Mohanlund Sporting are here to join us on this regular Sunday afternoon which we've been bringing to you, I think with a fair amount of consistency, fairly more consistent than we have been ever in the past. And this is of course, our brand new YouTube channel as well. So thank you for joining us, those who have, we'll get the chat started in a couple of minutes. Guys, once we have a few people on with us, I'm just trying to take a look at how many have already tuned in. The idea of actually starting this new channel so that more notifications go out to people and they know exactly when we go live. So it's updated and of course, hopefully thanks to your Instagram followers as well. Some people managed to catch that notification and join us on the live chat. Of course, two of our regular panelists or the regular crew are not with us today. One has a video call with his new Gaffer. Mr. Renvi Singh is going to be busy figuring out stuff at East Bengal Club. And we'll talk a bit about East Bengal and Mohan Bagan later on. But I think, should we get straight in it? First of all, why don't you guys tell me how you guys are doing here? Let's ask Meharaj. Meharaj is joining us. Hello. All well, Siddhartha. We have been training here in Sri Lanka now, I mean, keeping all the COVID-19 procedures in place. And we have started actually training with the under 18 group here in State Football Academy, which I think is going to be, I mean, again, they're going to play, I think I leak, they are playing some local tournaments over here. And this is for the first time, there are so many local tournaments happening in Kashmir where the players, they are getting some games to play. So it's like a football festival here right now in Kashmir. And a lot of tournaments happening in Srinagar, in other districts of the valley, which is actually a positive thing, which is happening after a very long time here. And we are keeping busy ourselves with those tournaments going as as guests and as participants just to promote sometimes and maybe taking our team there to participate in such tournaments and try to be more occupied with the game. Yeah, fair enough. Meharaj, it's been a pretty tough year. I think since August of last year, things have been very, very challenging for all you guys living in Kashmir, in the valley. Before we get any further on this chat, we have another special guest, another legend has joined Sharda. Sharda is here. Thanks for coming in Sharda. I'm sorry I texted you so last minute. But I just thought maybe Sunday afternoon you don't have too much else going on and you can spare a few minutes to join and chat with all of us. Just get a recap on of course the iLeague qualifiers as well as what's happening in the ISL bubble in Goa and what's happening on the ground in Kashmir in terms of grassroots football. So Sharda, please feel free to sort of co-host this conversation. Thanks so much for the invite. You just say yes, I'm coming. No problem, I'll be there. This sort of, I'm sort of emotionally invested in Kashmir football. I think I've become emotionally invested in Indian football only for the last two years fighting with various ghosts and beasts and the rest of it. But no, it sounds like a great thing. I just heard the tail end of Miraj's conversation. Hi Ishfar, how are you? I've spoken to you. Add to Miraj also in Chiragar, I met him. It's just great to hear that there is a festival. I don't know if people know that I'm on this WhatsApp group of Kashmir football. I don't think they know I'm there. No, you're there. Thank you. So I can see that there's activity and that there are things going on. I don't step in. I just follow what's happening and hopefully, this sounds like a great program that's there and there's activity and there is, it sounds incredible. I keep saying is Kashmir is where you can place all sport all year round almost. And I'm so glad to see that what is that there is to listen to the stories that a little bit that I've heard just getting into this conversation and following a little bit on that group. Fair enough. Please do add me to this group as well. Yes, why not? You should be there. Yeah, I'm on the JNK sports media group. I think there's another one. That is not open. I'm in a half group. I want that is a big group. You are. You are. But please do add me. It'll be good to stay in touch with what's happening. I also saw a couple of days ago, maybe you can give us a quick update on that the inauguration of a new rugby ground, synthetic rugby ground. Yes, it is actually in the heart of city where you may have visited that polo ground Sharda. I think you have been there. You saw it actually. She came to the esoterp. It just decides that esoterp which was actually the football ground earlier we used to play. I think Ishfar has played a lot of games there. I think one of the big clubs of Juman-Krishna which was state road transport corporation. Yeah, transport corporation. We used to call it transport ground at that time. So it was a very good field. But I think there are a lot of things happening in Juman-Krishna now in terms of sports and they want to build the infrastructure of every sport, not only football and rugby. I think there was no rugby field in Srinagar and maybe in Kashmir. So this is the one they have. This is the property of state sports council here. And they have come up with the concept of making it a rugby field now. And which is actually a good there are a lot of rugby players here not playing rugby. And there should be some ground, some field for the rugby players also. And the government has come up with a very nice project which is rugby football field. And it is actually in the heart of the city is accessible to everyone. And there are a lot of kids they can play rugby now also in Kashmir. So I also noticed that there is a women's team that is training in rugby there. And a bunch of those women I think the captain Solia is her name. She is the one who is keeping all the girls together for the rugby. And she is actually taking the lead I think to build a rugby team here. And when women are involved in rugby and the government want to do a lot of things for the women here as well. So maybe something for football and rugby when girls play rugby and it's actually a very unique thing in in Kashmir. And government shows interest because they also want when they are doing something for the men or the boys, they have to do something for the girls as well. And rugby, football and cricket. And I think the girls are also involved here in Kashmir now. Has there been, can I just jump in? Has there been any sort of increased attention or funding for sports whether it's one way or the other since you're talking about rugby and you're talking about women's football or as any football? Is it, has that just self-generated by all you guys saying no, we have to do something like you can see in the group that they said they're doing our practice. We don't care what's happening. No, I think there is suddenly a lot of things which are happening from the state government and they want to build the infrastructure. And there are always a lot of funding for sports here in Juma and Kashmir. And people they want to keep the youth engaged with the sports. And that is the only reason they come up with those projects just to keep the youth engaged. And maybe it's good for the youth as well, because then you have something like rugby, something like football, something like cricket to play and which keeps the youth away from all the rest of the activities like drugs, maybe some of them, they're not, I mean, they're always watching movies on the TV, the kids, they are always on the mobile, which actually makes them very lazy kind of thing. And I think that this is a very unique concept which the government of Juma and Kashmir has come up with. And I think the ultimate aim is to build the infrastructure and to keep the youth engaged. Well, I think one of, let me, I'm jumping in for this inside from Kashmir also, I think government has to do is their job to do the infrastructure. And especially we have sports council, we have youth service and department and get a lot of maybe a little bit extra fund on the name of Kashmir. So I'm not expert on rugby, but I don't know whether one should play on the astute of artificial ground and rugby, because it's very similar to football twisting and turning and sliding is a lot more than football. And that too, friend sliding where you try to score goals and all that, how good is an artificial ground for that, I'm not sure, or maybe rugby has different kind of ground. But as Miraj was telling, it's really good for youth. There are some things which we recently created with their national and international form of footballers who are doing a lot of activities and we spend money from our own pocket to do those activities. And one of the sole reason for that is football players who are interested in football, they have not been getting matches, enough matches there. And whether we all know the reasons why the matches are not happening, and then unfortunately our association plays a big part also and then they are not that active as well and they add up the cost. So we had to step in and there are a lot of, see I blame government also, I'm not one who will just tell all the Rosie things what they are doing. They have previously supported associations in wrong doings, which unfortunately now they are saying us we don't have authority. But if you don't have authority, how do you approve them? So which we want to change, it's not about we want to change because me, Miraj and some other guys are there, because football has given us a lot and we want to give at least something back to our younger generation, at least a system where they can play a proper football. And then everybody won't become a professional footballer. We all know that. But coming from a conflict zone, at least football keeps them busy, get out of that mindset. It may be a very well, it is entertaining football is an entertainment sports also. It is the only entertainment available. We don't have theaters, we don't have any other thing. We are not allowed to go late out. And there are after last year, there are knockouts everywhere, you know, like, so people are still scared, there is still tension in atmosphere. So the sports is the best thing if we can revive it, especially football, which is loud all over the state. And we are trying our bit and we hope that we continue it. And as Miraj said, it's kind of a festival. I am in touch with a lot of footballers and they say they have never played so much of football in their entire career. Like some of them have played six matches per week. I know that is wrong professionally. But such was the need that we need to have many tournaments, initiate many tournaments in different districts. Miraj and me went for very far-fledged areas, like some of them are, you know, like in Bandipura, we are on the shores of Vallur lake where there are grounds and all that had to come, had to reach there during this pandemic. And because it was earlier declared as a green zone, so we started from there. Now we are almost running seven tournaments simultaneously in different districts. And the best part is like all the district players are coming and participating in that. And I personally, on behalf of Miraj also, you know, like through this YouTube channel, say thanks to all those guys who make this possible. Because trust me, it takes a lot of effort and you to reach more from one district or the district to conduct tournament. And then the best part is in today's world, all of these guys are spending money from their own pocket. And not only that, we Miraj and me, we conducted two, three exhibition matches and the response, which I think I shared the photographs with you earlier, the response was unbelievable, especially in so poor, you know, like they love football. So I think it is the way I said it is government's job that to build infrastructure. I think it is our moral responsibility, especially for Miraj and me, to do something for the guys there. And we have seen, you know, like most of the businesses are going down so as sports, especially in Kashmir, you know, like people are people are people have been locked in for six months for this pandemic, but Kashmir, unfortunately, is from one year or more than that. So yeah, so I can understand, I'm sitting here and go at least enjoying practice with the school by a bubble and like training kids professionally. But it's very difficult in Kashmir to do, you know, like there are, you have to sometimes, I'm sure Miraj came, you know, like when parents come, they are concerned about everything, not only about football, but the rest of the things which goes around. But off late there has been, you know, like, unfortunately, the youth has been involved tremendously in drugs, like every day, if you see, if you read Kashmir news, police have caught some or other drug burners selling drugs in Srinagar or other parts. I don't know what exactly is happening because I have never seen my entire life, you know, like, you know, that kind of Khuleyam, Khuleyam, yeah, exactly, drug mafia and all that are like everywhere. And for that, it's again, it becomes so very important for people like me, Miraj and other sports like Parvez, I'm regularly in touch with him also to bring young kids to the ground and, you know, at least motivate them, be their role models and meet them and share our own story because, you know, like Miraj, for example, if I tell Miraj's story to a kid, because Miraj is a successful footballer from Kashmir and it might inspire him and fame goes to the other top sports person in Kashmir, they have to come forward and motivate them and be their role models. And when you have homegrown role models, we will have more players to come in. Sorry, Siddhan. There's a question for both Miraj and for Ishfaq. What is it that kids ask you when they come to talk to you? I mean, you know, what is it that the young people there want to know? What are the questions that come to you when you are there, you know, open to chat, turn up at the ground? There are two types of age groups. One is the younger age group who would just come to Miraj Deals a lot with them. And I know whenever I come there, they will always first just want to be around us. They just want to, you know, like show us their football skills and all that. And I'm sure Miraj deals a lot with them because he is head of state football academy. And then there is a little bit elder group who all want to try in professional clubs outside Kashmir. So these are the most common things which we face when we especially the elder age group and routine and all that. They all want to play in professional football teams. Maybe Miraj might have a different experience. No, no, no, totally agreed with you Ishfaq. It is actually the same thing which is happening. A lot of kids, you know, they come and they are looking for a platform actually where they can actually play and show their skills and from there they can go and play outside. I mean, outside the state, maybe for some clubs and maybe for the country as well. So it is there. The kids are always there, but the only thing is we can always, you know, help them to reach to the clubs. But the only thing is the football has become very concrete to these days. You know, you need a lot of experience now to be the part of the club, to be the part of the, I mean, the highly club maybe for the second edition club because there are a lot of players from all over the country now. So many players, they come from the Northeast and, you know, they have got potential and now if someone is trying to come from the Kashmir, he has to be equally good. So I think there are still, you know, a lot of things which has to happen in Kashmir in terms of football where, you know, actually the kids, they grow as football players, you know, they enhance their skills and they'll become the players where we can actually recommend them to the clubs. But I think it's still a lot of, we still have a lot of time, it takes time because there were no such activities from past 20 years happening in, in Germany and Kashmir. Only the league was happening, not, not a really good work on grass roots. And that is the only reason we don't have any players who actually we can recommend and we can tell them, okay, you can go and play for the clubs. It's me, Ishfaq and me and Ishfaq, we came out of the state in 2001. And from 2001 to 2020 now, not a single player who came after us to play for a club. Maybe some of you of them came, but they were not very successful. They came, they played for a club for a year or two and they came back. And now that is a big question to ask and big question to think with, you know, why, what was the problem? Why there were no players, you know, which we could not, why we could not produce players for the, for the clubs, for the country. And when we think about it, and there are a lot of problems which are happening and we don't want to discuss about everything here because then it comes to the, the, the blame comes to the ones who are responsible here to run the football and they have not done the job properly. So now, as Ishfaq said, we have made a group which is called National and International Football Form, where we, me, Ishfaq, Arun Malhotra and Sajid and a lot of Hlal, all the young coaches, all the young players, they have joined together and we have some ex footballers who have represented country, represented state, who are with us just to, you know, revive the football officially. So, which is actually a good exercise we are doing right now. And it is, trust me, it is, it is, it is getting very successful here where, as Ishfaq said, a lot of tournaments happening and people, they do come, you know, there's a lot of passion among the people of Juma and Kashmir towards football. And when there is a football game, we went to Ishfaq and me, we went to play a match in Sopor. In pandemic, I'm talking about, this two weeks, three weeks before Ishfaq and me, we went, more than 10,000 people, they came towards the game and that is, that is where, is, is like 60 kilometers away from Sopor, from Sri Lanka, it's called Sopor. And you know, it's, it's very, it's very, it's a very good feeling, very good thing. You know, when you see football is played in villages also, and the passion is there. But the only thing is the work is not being done properly from, from over the years here. And that is the only reason the, the young generation, they are getting away from football. The people, they don't want to watch it now. Because there is not a really good thing happening in football. If there are matches happening also, they are not very entertaining. The people who are playing, taking part in, players who are taking part in the games, you know, they are not very, they don't have potential, you know, they don't entertain. And they don't, and the people who are watching the games, they are not really enjoying those games. And now we have, we are actually, Ishfaq and me, a lot of people here, we are actually trying to, to, to get the people back to, to football. And eventually, there are a lot of tournaments happening. And same time, we are also working on the youth, the grassroots. And I think within this week, we are launching 15 academies here. And as Ishfaq said, it is not sponsored by anyone. It's me, Ishfaq, and some of the local players here, we are spending money from our own pockets, just to promote the game. We are not doing any favor to anyone. But I think it's our moral responsibility. We have played for the country, we have played for the state. Now it's time for us to get back if government is not doing, if the football association is not doing, but we should do it. We don't want after 10 years, 20 years, the generation they'll curse us for not doing anything. So we want, we want to do best for the youth of Juman Kashmir at the moment, so that there is a lot of football. There is a, there is a lot of, there are a lot of players who get actually involved with football. And maybe, you don't know, maybe, I won't be surprised if you see many of the players, they will play for the clubs in coming time. Maybe some of them will play for the country because there is potential. There is potential and their Kashmiri players, they are physically very good. And you know, all the foreign coaches, they love the players who are physically very well. And they give them the preference, you know. And from the north side, Punjab, Kashmir, we are naturally physically very good. And it is an added advantage for us. So if the work is done correctly, maybe for next three or four years, you will see a lot of players coming out of the state. Sounds encouraging. 15 new academies where, where Maharaj in the various districts, is it? Yes, various districts Siddharth, various districts. And we have, we have actually today in the morning, we had a meeting. And by Thursday, we are going to finalize which are the districts we are going to call and launch our academies on. And on Saturday, on this Saturday, we are going to launch 15 academies, 15 academies in Jumma and Kashmir. And it's not going to be, you know, like the professional academies in the evening. Maybe, you know, we'll have the coaches, we'll have the kids, and we'll have all the equipments available there. But this is just the beginning. And we are doing it, it's just a small step. And maybe in coming time, we want to start it from somewhere. So someone has to come and someone has to start. So we are just taking a step forward and starting something for the youth. And once we will start it, I think, if, if it is success, then maybe, I mean, next year, it is more, more, more, more, actually more good and more academies will come and more players will come as well. Say, one of the thing is, sorry, Miraj, to cut you off. One of the thing is that we won't charge anyone. We will have coaches, we were trying to have qualified coaches and we will be paying coaches as well. So, so that is our, we want it at least to start, you know, like, we won't have exactly because it all the means, unfortunately, but, but we want to start from word go only as we want to initially, you know, like put the professionalism there, put the word professionalism, bring those licensed coaches, pay them. And, you know, like they can do only some other job, but at least morning and evenings, we can help with themselves and they will, they will continue their passion to teach young kids and they can do other jobs also. We are trying to involve or get, engage all the coaches who are not unfortunately having jobs also right now or in districts. And because most of the coaches who have done coaching here in Kashmir have out of passion, not for the job and all that, but maybe some people thought they might get the job, but unfortunately, none of the Kashmiris are getting jobs anyway. So, it's just other parts. Also, the restructuring why in terms of the government because a large number of jobs in the youth affairs and sports department were the jobs that were being given out and now with the restructuring and Jammu and Kashmir becoming a union territory, all that is, I mean, I'm sure the government has its own set of priorities and sport is not going to be like up top on that agenda. So, what has been the impact because I was, of course, in and out of Kashmir in 2017, 2018, 19, and there was a lot of stuff going on on the ground, whether it's through the state football academy, of course, also local level tournaments night football had started. So, you know, using it as a means to engage the youth as well, a means of entertainment as well. And of course, as our professor Saab and Terry Hilton, who say that football is the new opium of the masses, that when the world is losing a lot of money, people need something to distract them. There is no job, there is no food, there is no lockdown, you have banned PUBG as well. So, will people talk about it? I mean, they have to give them a hit or something. And then, of course, there are the issues of the insurgency and all of those things that are going on. So, football and sport in general plays a, I think, very vital role in all of these processes coming together. I wanted to ask you guys how much, before we, of course, talk a bit more about some of the positives, how much of a step back has it been? Because you had started all of these efforts, the state football academy had already had many centers. In fact, we were there when the first Intra-Kashmir district level tournament for Girls was happening. That was a remarkable thing because you had teams from Bandipura, from Le all the way teams had travelled to Srinagar, from some Jammu team had come. So, it was not just about the football, but also a chance for young people, young women from all these diverse communities to meet, to interact, to spend some time together, get to know each other's cultures as well. Yes, Siddharth, you know what happened? Actually, when we launched the State Football Academy and we wanted to run it in a professional way. So, we wanted to, actually, I was the head of it and we had a very good team. So, we wanted to have one unit in every district. We had by then a state and we had 22 districts. Now, we are in beauty and we have only 20, then we had 22 districts and we wanted to make sure that we have a unit in every district. So, when we did it and it took us time, it took us actually one and more than one year to launch a unit in every district. But what actually we saw is when we worked with the boys, it was not the concept for us to involve the girls. So, what we did is when we started working with the boys and we actually saw some girls also coming and they showing interest. We had a Sunday football school here for everyone, comes and joins and plays for fun in TRC Viron. You may have seen it and more than 300, 400 kids used to come and a lot of girls also used to come. Then we thought of why not to work with the girls? Then we started to work with the girls and eventually we ended up making six girls units also. For women, we started making six. We had six girls teams and which I think was happened, which actually happened for the first time in the history of Kashmir Web. We had six girls teams, eight girls teams, eight girls teams and you saw it how beautifully it was done. We had that Intra academy tournament here and where people from Ladakh, people from Jammu, Kothwa, they never used to come and play with everyone all together. And we brought them here in Ashutov. They played in the artificial grass and it was a very good technique for them. They actually enjoyed, they took the pictures and we actually got a lot of talented players out of them. At that Intra district tournament, we got some potential where we used them for Thai League and some of them now they are playing for the clubs in Juman and Kashmir. So, which was a good idea and I think now it is not happening in the way but how it started because everyone, when we started it, we had money. So, everyone was very interested but then suddenly government changed over here. Then it was PDP. Now then the government changed. Suddenly the governor's rule came. Then what happened after that? Then funding suddenly became a problem in funding. Then actually we had coaches in every district. We used to pay the coaches, we used to pay the players, the refreshment to the players. Then what happened? When the funding was closed, the coaches didn't get the money, the players didn't get the refreshment. So, one time it was like that. Then the units were closed. But we still have at least six or seven such units that are active. So, who is working in those units? They are doing it out of their passion. Now, I heard yesterday in State Sports Council office and they are going to engage 500 coaches. If this thing happens and all the problems will be solved because we will have a lot of coaches now. Right now, we don't have coaches. They want to engage someone, maybe all the physical trainers, maybe ex players. I am also working in the other department. They can't extend my order from last one year, which is where we are now. They are talking about 500. Yes, which I actually said, which I saw in the paper. So, it is happening. It is right now in the papers. Actually, they will suddenly say we will make 10 extra troops. They will suddenly say, we will make a ground in the heart district. And we know the Bakshi stadium here, we had a very good stadium. It is still renovating. And if you see the condition of it, it looks more than 2-3 years. So, when it comes to government, the work of the government is that it is very slowly. If it gets a hurdle, then the enquiry sits on it. So, when the enquiry is not solid enough, the case will not increase. So, the work stops there itself. But I think I hope that whatever these people are saying is right. So, I think, overall, the sports will benefit. Otherwise, the new government will come, then new things will come and then start again. So, those things are very difficult. Siddhant, can I jump in? Pishwa, if you are saying something, sorry, go ahead. I said, we start, but unfortunately, we cannot finish it. We start again every year and the government comes again. It is a state, we start again. We start again. Today, I read the news in Greater Kashmir that we will get our statehood back. I think we will have to start again. Refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh. Go Sharda, you wanted to say something. Yeah, no, I was just saying something that what you see in every place and in Kashmir, because of the situation, politically, what has happened over the last 12 months, 15 months. That's the most important thing. I think for footballers, correct me if I'm wrong, is that you need enough matches to play. You need to be playing enough events. If you don't play matches, then what will happen to all these young people and their energy? What is going to happen to it? And that is where all these, whatever the sport is, whoever the organizers are, that is what they don't do. They don't want to have matches because it's hard work. You know, to have matches, to have tournaments, to have leagues. It should have been done 5 years ago, 10 years ago. It would have had, you would have had more people from your state going out. I don't know. And this is my thing that there are not enough matches for people to play in any sport in the country outside of cricket. There are not enough matches for our kids to play. Unfortunately, Sharda, this is not only for the Kashmir problem because I'm in technical committee of federation also. It's a national problem. We will play iLeague, but good thing that they are adding teams. So we might get more, but there is a very much need of we to have a parallel, something like a league cup going on where teams or the players, especially Indian players, are not only playing ISL, but like there was a in-between that knockout tournament, FSDL had started. I think they have planned for that, which I hope they, there is a proper league cup where, because there is a league cup in every country. There used to be a federation cup here too, but I hope, but at least in this pandemic, at least I'm happy that ISL is going on. And I'm glad, I've recently heard it's happening, it's going to start on time, which is even a good news. But you know, we will, we criticize a lot also and there are good things also, but one of the good things in recent past, in this time and present also is that secondary gen was successful. Now ISL is happening. At least these ISL will be the by far the biggest sporting event right now in, which will happen after this pandemic. And I don't know why my test guy has not come yet. I am waiting for to give my hearty wish here right now. So, but which is good, you know, like at least that makes me feel happy and safer. Now the bio bubble square, which we are following here is very strict, which they have done the league have done very nicely organized. We have, you know, like someone from the league who is staying 24 hours in same hotel, you know, like they make sure that everyone will do their tests on the time. And yes, in all matches, I think, you know, at least this will be something is better than nothing. Yes, whether you see, I guess, I am some coffee, coffee times, coffee times, because in the summer, something is better than nothing. And unfortunately, that this is inevitably what happens. And one of our criticisms on a regular basis has been this also Sharda. I mean, exactly what you're saying that at the top level, though, at the elite level, of course, while it's it's undoubtedly very important, because these boys who are playing and hopefully the women's league will also happen, although the signs of that are not extremely encouraging, even in the interview that Sonando gave to the AFF channel. I think that is going to be pushed towards the end of the season. So maybe towards March and all that. But the fact is that that these are these boys who are playing these leagues are professionals, they need to earn a livelihood, they have families to support. So it's not just a question of playing for passion and playing for the joy of the sport. It's also very much about putting food on the table. So, so it's a it's a positive no doubt that that's happening. But it's the same thing till the time your grassroots base will not increase, till the time people will not get to play at that level. So where will you be playing at your elite level? So it's that chicken egg situation. And the pandemic almost becomes a bahana to not stage matches at the grassroots level. It's the way we can't stage. It also becomes like a in the Jamun, in that my WhatsApp group tells me that in Jamun Kashmir they found ways to actually strain these kids. The kids come up and they're training, they do their bed, they do at least it's there. But I don't know if that's happening elsewhere. I have no idea. No fair enough. I guess also state associations, district level associations, former players, academies, everyone has to get in on the act and do things at whatever level they can. Because if you're waiting for things to come from the top, it's never going to happen. Unfortunately, they've already announced that the youth leagues are not going to take place this season at all. Even though there have been studies and all of that has been done to indicate that children are less susceptible to all of this. So if anything, you should start opening things up for kids at school level and all of that. But our approach has always been top down because I guess that's where the big television box or whatever it is is. So anyway, a quick update before we move on to, by the way, Maharaj, this is welcome to our Sunday afternoon conversations. Thank you. Thank you so much. So no, I'll go in five minutes because I had that other thing I had to do. Yes, absolutely. They'll give you a quick update. You go on. If you have any questions, once you leave, we can carry on. So if you have anything, any questions to ask these guys? So we had an agenda of Mohammedan also coming in. So just before we, I was going to sort of segue into that by asking for a quick update on what's happening with Real Kashmir because they are in the I-League and that is the Kashmiri Club. Let Sharda ask first if she had any Indian football questions or anything. I'm just tuning in with full attention and waiting for all your wisdom to tell me exactly what's going on. I'm following the East Bengal story, but Real Kashmir, yeah, what is the situation? I know they started a women's team at the announcement came. Where are those girls going to play? You know, those are the questions that I normally had. They, the day I am in touch with the, I think Mirages also, we both have met Sandeep, who is their owner right now, and I am in touch on and off with him and all that. I think they tie up with Delhi Public School for the ground and which is a bit secure like place for girls to play and all that. And I think they have a big ground if they maintain and that natural grass ground. And I give a lot of credit to the owner also for taking such stuff and having a, you know, like it's a professional team having their women's football team also now and then training regularly. And a lot of credit goes grassroots work done by their youth development head, Ajaz, who does a lot of work, not only for the main senior team, but for the age groups also. And I think he has been tremendous over the years finding youth and then providing them a platform to play, whether it's men or male or female now. I think that's a good step. And as far as their senior team is ever, you know, concerned that they are the same, same coaches want to continue. Some of the players have been retained, they have got new players also. I think they are looking for one more striker, they might have added that also. And they are ready to go for the ID, which is most probably going to happen again in Kolkata only. And they have added a lot of Kashmiri local players this season, which is a good news in their Indian squad. I think that's what they have done. I met Miraj also, met him personally, which he clearly said this time, I want to give because we were not happy previously. Only one or two Kashmiri guys were playing despite having talent. And you know, like somewhere they have to believe you, Kashmiri youth also and bring them. And there are two or three guys who came with me in Kerala Blasters. I gave him the example. If they came to Kerala Blaster, why can't they play in Real Kashmir? So I think he was kind enough to realize that and I think they have added up some good local talented players. And it gives, you know, like returns also. When you have not unfortunate this season, when next season you will have home teams, fans will feel more for team. They will feel it, you know, as its own. I'm not saying they are not accepting other players from state. They last year also, when hardly any Kashmiri were playing, they came in numbers and supported the team. But one more Kashmiri youth talented players will play there. Then you have a readymade role models for the coming generation. You know, who can see them playing lively and all that. And then we don't have to find role models. Me, Parvez, we can't be role models forever. You know, the people like Danish, Farhan, Asrar, the other guys, they have to come like they are our good young players now. They have to come and perform. Maybe they are in all the three of them will join the Real Kashmir this season. And that is how you produce players once you, you know, younger generation will see their role models playing in print up. And that's how I became. When a former international, one of the players was my next-door neighbour and I used to play him and that's how I got the interest to play him from God. So I think that's a good thing they are doing. And I wish them all the best and hopefully, you know, like this season, they will play better football also. Fair enough. Thank you for that update, guys. And thank you very much, Sharda, for taking the time out. Thank you. I wish I could stay for longer. If I'd known, I would have cleared the full three of three PM thing also, I promise. That's my fall apps. I will listen to the entire thing when it's loaded and I'm sure I'll be better informed. Thanks Ishwak and Meraj. Thank you, Sharda. Anytime, Sharda, next Sunday, if you're next Sunday at 2 PM. Okay, okay. We are always here. Okay, all right. Oh, anytime between 2 and 5 that you want to just pop by. Okay, drop in. Yeah, drop in. The meeting ID is the same. Okay. Thanks a lot. Thank you. Bye. Bye, Sharda. Bye. Thank you.