 Mm-hmm. How are you? I'm doing good. How are you doing? I'm getting over being sick. I've been sick for about 12 days. Yeah, I can tell your voice is kind of, you know, I can tell you're sick. I know. I've got the end of it, luckily, but I still can't breathe right. It's just, it's lingering. Yeah. Thanks a lot for making the time, you know, you're sick and you still, so thanks a lot. I know. I know we've had trouble with our schedules. Are you at work right now or are you working from home? You can talk today for an hour? Yeah, I can talk to you. I'm actually working from home today, so, so yeah, I should be okay, but I can talk for an hour. Okay, good. All right, let's get started here. Basically, first of all, you were doing amazing, which I was like email after email after email and in the room. I mean, I think at one point you had quadrupled your account or even more than that. I mean, when was that? That was like right after the class, right? Well, that was right after the class and I think it was a perfect time because it was right after earnings, right after earnings and I don't know, I was just focused and, you know, I was just doing everything right, I guess. Okay, so then first things first, you just acknowledged that you can do everything right. Can you just acknowledge that? Yeah, sure, but my problem is like, yeah, but the problem is like, I don't know how to stop. But I mean, at that point, whatever that point was, the one month after the class, the two months after the class, whatever that period was when you quadrupled your account, you know, that period was no different than any other period in the market, but you, okay, were focused and you did it. So you weren't pushing yourself at that during that period. So you just got to get back to where you were at that point. You know what I'm saying? We'll talk today about whatever bad habits now that you've created, but I'm saying you need to go into your head and just acknowledge that A, you can do it and B, it wasn't even that long ago. So it's not like, oh my God, that was five years ago and I'll never remember what I was thinking in that period of my life. It was just last year, last summer, whatever it was, you know what I mean? So when did, when, what was the beginning where things started to turn around for you? You wanted to risk more money or what happened? Yeah, so, I mean, I've been looking at my account for, I mean, the main problem I remember is, so, so, you know, right at that time, like you said, I was doing well and, you know, like for a month or so, you know, like you said, I almost quadrupled my account, which is great. And, you know, every week I was making what I make it work for almost like in a week, right? With trading. Okay. So I thought that was amazing. It was amazing. It is amazing. Yeah, and I was thinking to quit my job, you know. Okay, so then what happened after that? Like why weren't you? I think I started getting very disappointed with the market. Nothing else but the market. The thing is, okay, during that time, it was, you know, earnings and not only earnings, but I don't know, the market was, I guess we had a lot of short things. So that time, especially earnings, I was doing a great, great. And August, it was a, actually, I know that it was around the end of August. So August was great months, July and August. And then one September, yeah, end of August, around the end of August, you know how traders, I think they started going to vacations and stuff like that. Yeah. Yes. So the volume was really, I think we're all in the market. And around September, there was almost nothing. And actually, you know, you've been closed the room because there was just, yeah, I think it was around, yeah, I'm sure it was closed, but it was closed for a while, right? So around September area, it was just slow in the market. And you didn't, you also said, I think you, you know, you're kind of closed for a couple of weeks, something like that. That's when I started, I'm like, okay, I start pushing it saying, you know, okay, okay, I want to keep them going. So that's why I think I started having problems is like, when I don't see opportunities, I keep, I still keep doing it. I've been doing it for a very while. For some reason, it's just, it doesn't behave as where you were used to, I guess. It's kind of not as, like, when they're, I mean, the less volume it is, the more volatile, right? So. But I mean, I don't understand, like, were you seeing less gaps? Or what were in August or September, you were seeing less quality gaps? Yeah, around September less gap. I have to say, it almost took me a couple of weeks, because I mean, a couple of weeks or more, you know, then I'll get angry and then like, I think it's just since the whole September was just bad, bad, bad. You know, like, I don't know, it's just, I think, any more discipline is what I'm understanding from. But you had it back at that point, you had it at the point. Yeah, so the thing is, like, I'm great when like, I'm with you and like, you know, and then we were rating and like doing it together. Right. That, like, and then especially the discipline, like, because usually when you don't see quality thing, you say, okay, there's nothing in the market, you know, have a good day, right? Right. That is what I like. I mean, that's not one thing actually I really appreciate from you and the room is, you know, when you don't see something, you know, like, I don't have that discipline. That's what the problem is. But if I say don't do anything, are you still trying to do something? Usually when you say that, if you were in the room and then like say that, I don't do anything, but if the room is called or somehow I'm not, I didn't get your opinion. I think, you know, you might do it or something and then I do it. You know what I'm trying to do? No, if I don't do anything, do you trade or not? I don't. I don't. Okay. But if the room is closed, for example, in September, you say that there's nothing in the market. I mean, that's going to be slow. Right. Labor Day. Labor Day was slow. Yeah, exactly. Labor Day. Yeah. I think you closed for, yeah, it was closed for three weeks or something. That was, yeah, you said, you know, if you trade, very careful things like that. Well, wait, I don't know. I don't know how many days I was closed, but I've never been closed for three weeks. We closed over the holiday here, but it was closed. It was probably, maybe I was closed for like a week and a half or two weeks or something. Labor Day. Yeah. But even still, it's okay to take a break. I mean, if you know that you can't be disciplined without me, then the times that I'm off, then don't trade like the week between Christmas and New Year. You know what I mean? Things like that. Then don't trade. The times, I mean, then don't trade. I mean, you're still, I mean, you haven't even been doing this since, it's not even been a year since you did the class. So I mean, there's no reason for you to push yourself, you know what I mean, to trade without me if you don't feel like confident enough that you can be disciplined not to do it. Anyways, bottom line is once we got back and going, whatever that was, earning season, third quarter in the fall, what happened then? You just didn't want to trade or you just after, after September, you just kind of gave up or what? Yeah, so after September, you know, yeah, I was very disappointed and everything sounds like, okay, I didn't trade at all for a while. Yeah, and then the next earnings, yeah, I started training a while, you know, a little bit, but not as much as I usually do, very small sizes. And, you know, so I didn't, you know, it wasn't as great as the other, you know, the previous earnings either. So, you know, so, yeah, that earning season, I didn't trade like a lot at all. And then, of course, there's work, so kind of, I started earning, especially the last four months, I was just, especially since the last four months, in the morning I have an early morning, I have like a meeting I have to do, so I couldn't trade the open at all. I couldn't get into your room even so that made me very difficult because, you know, I do well when I'm, you know, like, from my understanding, I do well when I'm like, following everything you say, basically, or because I give the discipline for me, basically. Well, other than, so then what, what these meetings that you're in right now, how long are these, this, this schedule going to last? Well, that one is over, I mean, basically, after we're in this project, so we're done with that. So, right now, from now on, I can actually trade in the morning, but I mean, yeah. I was just, I was just, unfortunately, because I was trying to recover from the earnings, you know, from the previous mistakes, and then I couldn't get into the trade more because of that. Well, that's okay. That's alright. Sometimes things, things happen, you know, you've got a job still, so you have to, you have to be aware of that. As far as, alright, so, so you want to get back started? Are you going to get back started next week? I mean, what's your plan? Are you still scared to go back now or what? Yeah, to be honest, I'm kind of scared, I think the shock hasn't left, you know, yeah. Yeah, so, I'm planning, I'm hoping to take like a some serious break, but yeah, I mean, yeah, I just, yeah, I don't know. At this moment, I haven't like actually really thought about what is, you know, is it worth it to trade again? Like, soon, you know what I'm trying to say? Like, I kind of end also work kind of busy too, so, I don't know. What can I help you with? I mean, if you come back to the room, obviously remember the room, if you come back to the room and you start listening to me, do you think you still wouldn't go back to where you were before when you were doing well? Are you still afraid that you won't do well? Or I mean, if you just said, well, if I listen to you, I'm fine. What are you worried about? You're not going to listen to me or what? I mean, not only that, but I'm not afraid of that, but I'm more afraid of like going back into that angry mood, like if I end up like some kind of loss and then say, oh, how can I make it up? Well, what's wrong if you just only give yourself one trade a day? And I'm not saying that it's, you know, that's something that you have to do, but I'm saying, say you give yourself one trade a day, whether it wins or loses, what would be the worst case scenario with that? You go with my pick in the morning. Sometimes I do a retake of the first trade fails, but what if you wouldn't? What if you just, you know what, I'm just going to do one trade a day so I know that I don't go out of control no matter what, what would be wrong with that? Yeah, that's actually a good idea. So that's one thing. Another thing is actually like morning trips have become difficult for me, I guess. Is that for some reason? Like, I feel like, I mean, the afternoon trades are easier. I don't know, do you think that's a... Well, not for me, but give me an example. Let's look at a stock here. I mean, this is why we're looking at this. Let's look at something. I mean... Yeah, so actually I look at this. Yeah, this is for you. I was looking at it yesterday. Okay. So this one, you know, like, for example, like this is a one-minute, is that right? This is a one-minute chart, yeah. Yeah, so the second bar, I'd probably turn the second bar, right? Okay. And where did you put the stop? I put the stop above five of the day, right? Sarah, I can't see the numbers, but above the green bar. I just want to look here at the volume in this pre-market. Did this have enough volume in the pre-market? Yeah, I think, yeah, I think... I don't think they did this. I didn't trade at all, but I was in the room. I believe Jero did this. Jero called it and he said he called it stopped up, but I'm looking at this here now. This to me doesn't look like it had enough volume in the pre-market. Yeah, I believe, but here I think it was rated 18, and I'm not 100% for sure, but I think they probably have done it. I don't remember. This to me looks like the open. Look at the difference to the volume here. I'm just going to show you something here. Look at this. Volume at 9.30 is what? See, that doesn't look right to me. I don't think this didn't open at 9.30. See the volume in the square up at the top? Then see the volume in this guy here. This is a little bit better. This looks like the open. See the difference in the volume? I don't think this bar here opened. I think this SVU opened late, which sometimes happens with stocks in this industry, and it is hard. It is hard sometimes to see that. The lack of volume in the pre-market would have helped you know that. He obviously missed it too. He said he took a stop, but you can't fault anyone for taking a stop in that because it was tricky. Lack of volume in the pre-market. This is a heavily volume traded stock, but that opened late. To me, this is the open of the stock I can tell by the tail. So if you took this here and put this stop over it, you would have gotten stopped out. Hopefully then though you would have noticed, oh crap, and you would have taken in here and seen you would have more than made up the difference of the loss. And then this is a really nice move in here in the 945 into 10. Even if you stopped here and said, oh, you had to do ba-do, and got worried about it. When this dropped down in here and rallied back in here, boom, this is perfect. And then it fell. I don't know where he called the second trade, but I know he did. Yeah, yeah. Even in the afternoon. Yeah, I think in the afternoon it was clear to me that, you know, this is going to go down. Yeah, but I mean, in the afternoon, you have to sit here and wait. This may or may not happen. Now, the fact is it did, but this may not have happened. So do you know what I mean? Like this, you read the gap and you see it happening. This may or may not happen every day in good gaps. This did happen yesterday, but the market, I got to be honest with you, helped this afternoon move too. The market helped this. Let's look at this five. Anyways, you can play afternoon trades, but I'm telling you, you're not going to get them every day. You're not going to get them every day in good gaps and you're going to miss a large chunk of the move. Although sometimes you will have things like that yesterday where you take a stop in something, but you could have taken the trade at 945. You could have not been aggressive, waited, done the second setup in the morning. Did you not see that 945 entry? Yeah, I didn't say that yesterday, but are you talking about the SVO, right? I'm talking about SVO. I just wanted to see here what the time where the market is. Yeah, the market was just weak yesterday. I mean, it's going back to this. Yeah, I'm saying, did you see this yes or no? This. Boom. Yeah, that one, I saw that actually. So that's the thing. I think I have a very hard time doing the first minute entries, like a second minute entry. You have a hard time doing the second entry in the one minute or what are you saying? Yeah, because it's just so fast. I feel like, I mean, the 945 entry was, I could, I would do that because there isn't as, I see confirmation, right? Like, you know, I'm trying to say like, you know, it's sold off and they tried to rally back, it couldn't. So I see it right there. That's right. So then that's okay. So then you can do the morning entries, the secondary entry. If you really are uncomfortable being aggressive in the first five minutes of the day, then you don't, you don't have to be. There's no rule against that, but you can still play out the morning. If a secondary setup sets up in 945 at 10 o'clock at 1015. I'd rather see you do that than play in the afternoon because you don't get those trades all the time. The stops are bigger and most of the time you miss most of the move. No matter what, even though this was very clear to see and even though it happened, look at this chart. This is what happened in the morning. High in here is 1925. Low in here in the morning is what? 1666. So that's basically a $2.75 move. The move I made in the afternoon is what? High in here is 1715. Low in here is not even a buck. So you got to capture this somewhere. This is where you want to be. Not in this. Boom. I mean, it's fine if you do this, if you, if you completely missed this gap or took a stop in the morning and then never did the second one and whatever, but this, you're going to miss out if you don't play this morning stuff. Yeah, I think, but like it, but this is more of a confirmation. I guess I'm more or more, I rather miss the move than like getting to that kind of entry. It could also rally back quickly, right? Like when, you know, in the first minute or second minute. Sure. That's what I'm saying. Do a morning entry, but do a later one if you want. Do it on the five. Do it on the two. I think I'm more comfortable with that one. I can, I can hunt. Yeah. That's what I learned from myself is the first injury. When I follow you, it's fine, but if I do it myself, I just can't do the, I think it's just too quick opening. I like to see confirmation for like, this is a good example. It's just like 945. I can see. Yeah. I'm like, okay, it cannot go back up. So, you know, my logic is okay. All right. So then you're fine with that. Okay. So where would you, if you, if you are going to get back into this, which you're up in the air about, but say you would start doing this tomorrow, whatever, I'm running the room tomorrow and say you saw something like this, whatever, how many shares would you have taken of the SVU in the second entry? How much do you think you're going to, we want to risk right now? On this one? Yes. Yes. So I'd probably enter around 1745, 49. And where would you put the stop? And then I'll put the stop. Yeah, I'll put the stop probably around 18, 1845, 1810. And how many shares would you have taken? I'd probably take it just to make it, I'll probably take like a thousand bucks first. A thousand shares. So you would have risked 500 bucks? Or roughly? Roughly, yeah. Somewhere around here. Okay. So where would you have gotten out? Pretend you have done it. So I usually do this, okay, that would come in. And then I'll probably take one quarter off like right, love the day area. Here? Yeah, exactly right there. I'll probably take quarter off and then see how it goes. If it turns back, I'll, you know, get out. But if I'll take some off right there around lawyer just to see if it will continue or bounce back. So okay, so you would get out of half here and the rest you would just follow it down until the next target or wherever. Exactly. Okay, so based on that you probably would have made, how much do you think yesterday? If you shorted around 1750, got out around 1710 half? Like how much do you think you would have made? I would say around probably 600 to 100. Okay, is that good enough for you to be okay with on the day? Absolutely. I mean, even I think I would take probably 1000 shares just for the amount of risk I can handle. And you know, in the future, for sure, I could, I feel like, okay, this is, if I could do it with 1000, I could probably do the same as 5000. That's all I feel like, 5000 shares. Okay, right. But, you know, the problem is that you just got to get back to being positive, positive, positive and not trading on the days that you're not supposed to before you can take bigger risk. So, you know, that's what you have to kind of prove to yourself. When you started, when you started, when you started having the problems, was it because you were risking more? Or is it because you just weren't not trading the days that there wasn't good things? It was a combination of both, but mostly it was because of trading on the days that are not good. I mean, that was the main issue for really, but this kind of days, like after I see confirmation, for example, this one, I will probably do it again in that time. That's my problem. Do you think that says something? Well, no, it's not a problem, but you have to be, okay, let's go look at it here. Tell me where you pretend you didn't know. You saw this, where would you have taken it? Where would you have put the stuff? Oh, I'm sorry. Can you repeat? Where would you have taken this afternoon trade? Where would you have put the stop? How much, how many shares would you have taken? You're saying I would have done it. That's not a problem. And I'm going to tell you why, even if it had stopped, you tell me where would you have done this one here? So, another thing that I actually look at is the, what's the blue line? Sorry. That's a 20. That's one here. So I usually look at that one and view up. Do you know me? I know you don't do that, but that and also 20 minutes, 20, yeah, that one 20 minutes average. So I usually wait until the, I get out right in the, you know, fully in the bottom and it would usually rally back. And then I'll see what it does after the 20. So if it could go back, I'm not touching it, but usually that will straddle and return back. So that green bar, I'll probably do it again right there after above the 20. You know what I'm saying? You're talking about here. This is the eight. Are you talking about in here? The second time when you go to that one, I'll do it for the girl. This one here? Give me a time of the day here that you would have looked at this. You have green bar here at 10, then you have one here at 11, then you have one here at 1130, then you have 1215 and 1235. So I'll enter 1215 one first time, okay? Around 1215 or so. Fine. Where'd you put the stop? And how many shares would you have taken? Above the little bar. So I'll probably put a stop of around 17, 455 something like that. Okay. How many shares would you have taken? I'll probably take around a thousand, okay? Okay. And then, so you would have had about a $500 risk again in this. Then what? Where would you have gotten at? Yeah, I'll wait. I'll probably take half off on the low of the day right there. Okay. See where it ends up. And if I get more, yeah, right there, I'll get half for sure. And then I'll wait a little bit and take the other half off, you know, the second rate bars. Down in here, you mean? Yeah. Right there. I'll wait. And then if it goes, if it goes right for sure, I'll just, I'll, you know, I'll take all, I'll probably cover all the shorts. You know, the second on the, yeah, on the two rate bars right there around one o'clock. Okay. All right. So how much do you think you would have made in this afternoon trade? Since it were, how much do you think you would have made? Yeah, I think I'll say, yeah, probably $1,700 again. Okay. What would have been your risk in this trade though? $500? $500, yeah. So say you had, did the morning trade have made $700. So you did the afternoon trade and it did work. You would have made a total of $1,400 in a day, which is great. If it failed, you would have lost $500, made $700 in the morning, you still would have been up for the day, $200. Is that problematic for you? No, not at all actually. As long as, yeah. Actually, that's not it. No, as long as I'm consistent, that's the only thing. That's like, I need, you know, more like this are the, I mean, this, for example, this kind of days on the SVV, it's easy. I feel like, but... Well, it's easy now because it worked. You didn't do it. So I mean, I could look at 15 Town as another thing. I mean, Play was another one. Did you see the Play on Monday? I think it was Monday. Did you see this one here? This was in craziness. Did you see this one? I did not. This was even, this moved $5 on the day. Look at that. And you could have done this one in the afternoon too. What the biggest move again was in the morning. This really didn't have a proper setup here even on this, but look at the move this had. Let's look at the one minute. Anyways, go ahead. So would you have been okay if you had only made $200? Yes or no? Yeah, I would be okay. And what were you trying to make though about the consistency problem? Oh, I'm saying consistency of like, when there are not good things is what I'm saying. Like when there are not quality gaps, I, like I said, I end up pushing it. You know what I'm saying? But why? I mean, I'm just trying to understand why. I think that from my problem is just one thing, I guess, just one thing, being greedy. That's all I keep saying to myself. That's not good enough. You have a job right now. You don't need trading money to pay your bills. You were way, way skyrocketed ahead. You did so great right out of the game that just doesn't wash. I mean, I met you. I met you face to face. You are not a greedy person. You're not. I mean, that's just like the most, I don't believe it. I'm sorry. I just don't. You are not a greedy person. You don't live high in the hog. You, you know, you're, I mean, you sat there with that book and asked me the questions. I mean, you're most conservative people I've ever met. I live in a studio apartment by the way. I know. That just even confirms it even more. You're living in, you know, the middle of America. I mean, that, I moved to Florida. Huh? I moved to Florida. Oh, nice. So that's nice. We're still on East Coast time, right? Yeah, which is unfortunate because I'm hoping, yeah, it's okay. If it wasn't the East Coast time, it would be perfect because I could be before I go, you know, before. Oh, yeah. If you lived in a different way. Well, that either way, Florida is a beautiful place. The point is though that you don't live high in the hog. So, I mean, so telling me you're greedy. I don't, I don't, that I just don't even believe it. I, there's something else going on with you. You feel like you're missing out. If you don't take more, you're, you know, I mean, you're feeling like you've got to make up for the lost days. You're feeling like you got to make up for the days where there's not good gaps. Like what's going on in your head? Yeah. I mean, you actually, I think you just hit the nail on the head and I mean, that's what they say, right? Yeah. Basically, I think just feel like, I feel like I have to make up for the days that could ooze or for the days that would not be available. So like this kind of days, even I probably push it to our to saying, okay, this is so good. I have to make as much as money today so that, you know, like, if there's not good tomorrow, then, you know, I can make it up. Things like that. So that also is another problem. It's a lot of problems to be honest. Yeah. But I mean, if you, if you, I think that what I'm, what I'm, I'm feeling from you is just an overall lack of confidence in, in yourself, which is crazy. Because you definitely have the ability to read charts, pick the gaps, rate the gaps, see the entries. You, you know, you did so well right out of the gate. You know, you can do well. You, you're lacking so much confidence in yourself right now because you went off the deep end and you're also lacking confidence in the market. If you get up in the morning and the market doesn't give you anything tomorrow, I say it in the room. I know we'll get a good one the next day. I know we'll get a good one tomorrow. I know we'll get a good one Monday or whatever. I always say that you, you know, you have to have more confidence in the market. It may not give you a good one every day. Some days may give you nothing. Some days it sucks and you have to take a loss. But overall, if you look at it as a bigger picture the whole year, have confidence in the market will give you it because one day you will get up and you will take your normal risk and you will have something that falls off the planet and you will just end up making a lot really quickly like $2,000 or $3,000 with your normal $500 risk without having to risk more. And that will make up for the days that you didn't have to do anything. You know what I'm saying? I mean, and overall you have to look as a bigger picture because if you don't stay focused, how are you ever going to risk more? Let's just say of the, you know, 200 plus trading days, let's say, you know, 40 of those days there isn't anything good. You're still better off not trading than losing. And if you're making money, you know, more of the days, then eventually you can increase your risk, which is what you want to do anyways. But the point is you can't do that unless you prevent yourself from pushing it on the days when the things are not there because you're never going to get to that point where you can risk more. You have to move ahead. You have to sometimes moving ahead is, you know, take one step and wait, and then take a second step and then wait a little bit and take a third step. Otherwise you're taking 10 steps forward and then you're taking five steps back. Then you take two steps forward and you're three steps back. That's more painful than just taking a step, continuing on with the same risk, not trading the days you don't. Then you take another step. You know what I mean? Then you risk a little bit more. You know what I'm saying? You have to know when to push it. Trust me, listen, I know I push it some days. You know, it's rare that I push it some days when I shouldn't, but there are days when I push it too, but I can push it to the envelope and still somehow flip it around. I'm not saying that's the right thing to do when I'm telling you. There are days to push it and there are days not to push it. Like there's people in the room sometimes that do things that they shouldn't do over trade or do ads. The time to do ads or to push it or trade in the afternoon or be aggressive in the morning is when the gap is so great or it tells you right into the open, it's so great. Or you've got the market part trending with you or it opens and swooshes. I mean, there are certain times you can push it and you could risk more, but not every day. Like, did you do the option on Walmart? I think I gave that to the whole room. Yeah, I saw it, but I just, yeah, I haven't been fairly likely to be honest. Yeah. Well, I mean, I'm just going to give you this example, even if you didn't do it. This was one to push it. As a day trade is the option to editing. This is a while ago. I might not be able to go back. Crap. I can't go back in the intro day. But anyways, this was a day to push it. Go ahead. What are we going to say? Oh, I was just saying, I remember when you called it though. I didn't do it, but unfortunately. Were you there in the room that day? I think I saw the email. I checked your email. Yeah. But anyways, this was a day to push it without going back and looking at the intro day. Stock was power trending. Everything was working its favor. You know what I mean? Like, so there were so many, so many things right where you'd saw. I mean, it even went almost to the dream target, which was a hundred on the day. So, I mean, there are times to push it, but it's not every day. And there are people in the room that do push it every day and it's not the right thing to do. Right. I didn't look at anything this morning. What did you look at anything this morning? Let's see what was there today. Did you look at any today? Yes, today. Yeah, today actually. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't say anything good. So I actually was looking at SUV again for continuation. I mean, if I was going to do continuation today. Yeah, that's fine. Anyways, you know, the I get your over anxiousness on the days when there isn't things because I used to be there too. Like, you know, many, many years ago early on as well, which is frustrating. But you'll never get to be able to increase your size if you don't not trade the days that you're not supposed to. And if it means you have to shut the platform down, leave the room, go get involved with a work project, do something to distract you. Leave the house, whatever that you have to do that until you force yourself in the habit. Actually, I would I was so bad with that that I would have to leave the house. I actually then would get in the habit of checking with my mom, my broker, like this is before the open. Before I had the business where I'd be like, I really don't stand in good today. But this one, this one's okay. It might work. What should I do? Like, that's really literally would come out of my mouth every day. And I'm like, I really don't like this thing when I really don't think there's anything good today. But this might work. What should I do? And time after time, it was a force discipline of myself, but I would check with people and the people would say, Melissa, you know what to do. And then some days I would listen to them and some days I wouldn't. And then when I wouldn't, I would always regret it. And then knowing that I knew the right thing to do, but didn't listen to myself. And then I got into a habit of leaving the house and would leave the house and go to the gym. And once I started forcing myself to just leave and not look at anything because you could talk yourself into anything. You could talk yourself into a 16 point rated gap and say, well, you know, there's nothing really good today, but this might work. Let me just look at it. Like even this right here, I would not have done this today. Does it look good? Yes. Was there any real good entry in here? I mean, let's look at it. Probably not. I don't see anything in the 15 minute. Let's look here in the 11. I mean, could you have shorted this today? Theoretically, yes. Would you have seen it here to do anything here in the morning? No, this looks like gobbledygook. What are you going to short here? Do you know what I mean? Like this doesn't look like anything to, I guess it fell, but it's a better swing trade. You know, if you had held it overnight from yesterday, an option trade. To day trade this, it looks like gobbledygook. Yeah. Theoretically, it's lower. Could you have made money on a day train today? Yes. Might this have failed? Yes. So, you know, you have to just learn how to be more focused on the quality and then holding yourself back when you don't see the quality. That's the benefit of being in the room where I really say, oh my gosh, this is good or there's really nothing here or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. You have to do something to get your confidence back or you're not going to be able to get in a good groove. The only way I think you're going to get your confidence back is if you start trading again, even if it's smaller size, because you've just lost complete confidence in yourself and it's based on absolutely nothing other than the fact that you made mistakes. You know you made mistakes. It's just such a shame to see you quit when I know you can do so well. And it's like either you want to do this or you don't. And you have to ask yourself, do I want to do this enough that I can get over these problems or am I just going to be a quitter? What do you want to do? I mean, so like the first one, when times were good I guess you could say. I mean that time I was seriously thinking about wow, this is great. I could probably quit my job, all that things. But when I think about it, I get more and more into it. And then I start like, you know, not having consistency. I was like, wow, I mean, I started getting frustrated actually saying wow. So I can't quit my job. I didn't have confidence in the market is what I get. I know, but I'm saying you got to get that back. Do you think that putting the pressure on yourself to quit your job so quickly was what maybe made you spin out of control? I think that was because I felt like this was, you know, I don't know, it's very challenging because, you know, it's a lot more money within, you know, I probably won. I probably work in the morning trades, you know, one hour and then I'm making more than, I'm making twice as much as I make from my main day job, you know, more than twice. So it makes you think, wow, you know, I can quit my job. So like, I think that also has an impact into my psychology. But if you want that to happen, then you have no choice other than to get your head wrapped around these issues. Know that this is really nothing to do with trading or nothing to do with the system, nothing to do with the market. It has to do with, you know, having your head on correctly about not pushing it, not trading days that you can. You know, you're that you shouldn't do it. I mean, the thing is that you've got to give yourself some time to get into to build that confidence where you understand that you're okay with not trading. The support of having the job right now is that you don't have the pressure. Once you quit your job, then the pressure is on not necessarily to make money every day. Because again, there's some days there's nothing to do, but the pressure is on that you better have the right actions that you can't afford to go off the deep end. Do you follow me? Yeah, yeah, you're right. Because that's what is actually bothering me. I already had in my mind. I'm going to quit at one point. But then I seem not consistency and then I'm like, oh, I mean, they cannot quit. I know. I mean, I can't even push the market. But I can't think back at the time you've been talking about like it's it's it's almost like it was self created. I mean, I'd have to go back and look because I did the tracking for the year at the trades in September that you're even talking about August. But I'm telling you like that time per period doesn't come up in my mind as some earth shattering difficult period. I think it was self created in your own mind. And then once you went down that road, it's so easy for people to start thinking negative. I mean, I know I totally get it. So one thing happens and it snowballs. But it's, you know, you have to get back into a positive mindset. And the thing is, what is that going to take? If that means you just say to yourself, you know what? I'm not going to quit my job at all in 2018. I'm going to trade full time every day with Melissa. I paid for the room and I'm going to work on my job and then just leave it. Don't put the pressure on yourself. And lo and behold, you know, in six months or nine months or towards the end of the year, you can say, you know what? I feel so great about this. I'm so comfortable. I'm in such a groove and then you can quit. Like don't put the pressure on yourself that you're going to quit next week. Maybe that's what you could not handle last time. And maybe that's what you still can't handle now. But it would just means then you have more money. You work your job, you do this and you have more money. And then you have a nice big cushion that when you are ready to leave, then you maybe then you'll feel more confident and not pushing it the days because you can afford to. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I thought. I'm going to see this one trading us just as extra income. You know, if I get, if I make money, good, if not fine too, you know, But you will if you if you do everything that you know. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right. So, so I think one other thing I want to so ask you is, I found out a more comfortable was like you said, a little kind of trades like, you know, 945 and after, you know, changing. Yes. I want to tell you, I want to tell you one thing before here, look at this chart of SVU right now. Do you see anything setting up in this right now? Before you right now. Oh, this is today. Yeah, this is today. Yeah, right now. Absolutely. Absolutely. Actually, I'll probably it's too late. But you see them. The green, the big green book bars around. Yeah, around 10. Is that right? These in here on the one minute. I'm sorry, I'm looking at the 15 minutes. Yeah, this was yesterday into the close. Yeah. So when is the open today? That's okay. The open today in the 15 minute is here. 1713, but I just want you to look at this daily chart here. This is a good later play. If this breaks below the day from yesterday, the stock could collapse. Where's it going to go? This could have you see here what's not didn't do it yet. It didn't do it yet, but this is something you could watch. You could watch watch watch. This is too late now. I mean, I wouldn't do this earlier in this morning. I was looking at it. If you could go back to the five minutes chart. Here. Yeah, so the five minute chart. That's the open. Yeah, actually, this is setting up really nice in the five minute here. You could have done this right in here. Boom, stop over this area here and see if it breaks if it doesn't you get out. But it could and it could if this breaks today could have a big drop. Do you see this here? This is like. Yeah, exactly. It's struggling at the low of the day. Yeah, I'll probably do it and then with a stop above. You know, 1660 around 1660. Yeah, I would give it a little bit more room because it's later. Yeah, I would give it a little cushion here. Alright, that's fine. I just want to go ahead and say what you were going to say. Yeah, so this already kind of trades a comfortable way. Yeah, that's fine. I mean, I absolutely this says I can see it's no it's kind of low and then it's tight stuff as well. Yes, this is not as wippy as yesterday. Yeah, and it's not wild. You know, those are I think. So I think what I'm going to ask you is like setups like this kind of setup. Do you think it's a I know like you have I think you're you're there's one on 15 minute entry and let for later play. Yeah, yeah, and they have three entries in the morning. So you think, uh, which we trade setups like do you think just enter with a, you know, five minutes with a sale set up. What are you asking me what later play should you do or what are you asking me what trading or what trade setup should I do. I think you should do the morning trades if you're not comfortable with the first entry do the secondary entry if it has one sometimes it will sometimes it won't if you need the confirmation. Wait for the secondary entry in the morning that might be early enough for you to still capture a big part of the morning move and it's not as aggressive. And if the first entry is all the move it gets in the stock flips and goes over the high and it's done for the morning then you just don't do anything that day. Are you going to be okay with that? I don't know if you are you aren't because it may not have a second entry and then you don't do anything that day. But if you want to do a later play in the afternoon you can whether or not that's your first first play of the day you have to be extremely patient. You will get them. I would make a watch list of continuation gaps to follow through to watch them for things like this or even play or whatever for the second day down to see if they follow through. But the entries are not going to be as tight and the moves on the secondary days usually are not as big as the first days if you do that. And you still have to wait for the later time frames of the five or the 15 minute. The real confirmation really if you're waiting for that is on the 15 minute not the five and the stops are going to be big. This kind of thing here is a dream when it happens. You do not get this every day. You don't get this every week. This was a really tight stop for something like that to have that move in the afternoon and you don't get them all the time. So my thing is if you really want to play late trains in the 15 minute you're just not going to get them five days a week. I don't even know if you get them three. You're going to get them sometimes but you're going to be trading less days if you're okay with that then fine. It's still the same concept. It's still the gap. We're still playing the gap. The rates well. Yeah. Okay. I see. Yeah. I think I think I am more comfortable with all one thing I understand this just looking at them. If it the for later trades the reason I'm saying that is I like having the confirmation makes me more comfortable. Like if I say in the morning the sale of like this big red bars yesterday you know the two 15 minute bars and yesterday. Yeah. That gives me that the stock is absolutely weak. I'm pretty sure confident and confident nobody's going to buy this. So I don't have a problem in terms of this kind of. You're talking about yesterday in here. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's great. You could look for those every day starting you know between 10 and 11 10 and 12 watch things scan them watch. I'm just telling you you're not going to get them every day but you could certainly do that but don't get away from the fact that you're looking for gaps. What I do what I don't want to see you do is scan this jiggy here for everything that's trading down in the day and start doing 15 minute setups and everything that's down on the day because they may not be a gap. The reason you get those bigger moves like that with the nice setups and the confirmation is the gap still the strategy still the gap whether you enter in the five to 15 minute the one minute with me. The strategy has to be the gap. Don't start looking at things like let's just look at Kodak right now because it's showing that it's down. I bet that's just fine because of the sell off that had this week. But let's just look at this here really quickly. I don't know if this gap is enough but let's look. Oh it did gap. This did gap actually. Let's look at let's look at something else. Let me just say. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? Still make sure that you're following the gap. Yeah. Let's try to say if there's anything else here. Let's look at R and off. So yeah. So anyways what do you what do you want to know you hear this in the gap here is a good example this stock did not gap today but it's falling. If you'd be looking for a 15 minute setup and this in the afternoon you wouldn't be playing any gap. If the stock's falling it's red. It probably holds the red on the day but you're not going to get the same kind of perfect setup and the same confirmation anything because this did not gap. It just opened and fell and it's falling. That's true. But this you don't don't do something like this. Still look for the gap that happened initially in the morning that worked and then you do the later play if you want to. I don't know if you're asking me if you should start to trade every day later or not. I don't know. That's that's something that you have to if that's going to help you get back into the groove of it. Fine. Do whatever. I mean if that's what you really need out of life in order to feel better about trading. I'm you know if that's what you need to ease yourself back into it. Fine. But I know there's anything wrong with doing the morning as a secondary setup. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's kind of work around for my lack of discipline. And then I mean so in the morning I think if I'm with you I think morning I'll be okay too because you know you have the discipline to say oh this is not quality. I'm not going to do this order or you know the exact entry. It's just too fast for me. I feel like in the morning. I know but that's okay. I mean honestly honestly it is for a lot of people. It is for people that have been with me for a long time but that's why you're there with me. And that's why I'm so good at doing it. It's just instinct. It's just instinct anymore for me. I mean I'm I don't think it was anybody as fast as me to see those things the way they set up. I mean even looking at SVU like I said I didn't do that and I could see right away is boom that was a late open. I see what happened there and in live time you know I wasn't there but that's the kind of stuff that I see. I mean that's why you're there with me. You don't have to ever leave the room if you don't want to. You could stay with me forever. But I mean I tell you you know or as for long as I'm doing this but I mean the bottom line is that you've got to get your confidence back. And I mean I can just hear your voice like you just sound so depleted. You have to find the passion again for what you do and you rationalize it out for me. The money you can make versus the job that you have now it's like a no brainer and the time that you're doing it. You've got to stop putting so much pressure on yourself and stop like just criticizing yourself saying that you're not disciplined. Like you've just been so critical critical critical of yourself. You got to go back and give yourself credit for how much you've learned since before you met me and how well you did right at the beginning. Yeah actually I want to ask you I mean I haven't been trading really like a year and a half now. Yeah. Do you think I still do not seem like I mean I see consistency let's say for two months and then then I go back and let epic you know. It was right after the class though when did you do the class. I did in June I believe. And then how did you do in June and July before you started going off the deep end right after the class is when you did well. Forget before you met me right after the class you did well right. Yeah absolutely. July was a you know case I mean but I mean I did well but June and July was I mean I didn't make a ton of money but I didn't lose anything either you know. You know what I'm trying to say like. No I don't. What do you try to say. No I don't know what you're trying to say. What I'm trying to say is that since I mean like since just after class I was doing well as I'm saying. Yes. July and August. Okay. Amazing I mean I was making like I say what I'm making from my day job in the months I was making you know in a week is what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. Right. It was a huge kind of shock actually I was like wow I couldn't it's possible to do this and then yeah I don't know. But you got to go back there. You got to go back there in your mind. You have to go back to that place in your mind again. You see how your mind plays tricks on you. So yeah that's you know you can be a loser as much as you can be a winner. Really you know. What'd you say. Almost doesn't feel like real. What doesn't feel real. Well I mean like the profit you know it's just. Did you ever take any money out and spend it that you made in that period. A little bit not a lot. Well maybe next time you make that much what you will again I'm sure you get back into doing this and back in the room. Maybe you take out you take out some of the money and you and you make it real for yourself. Take out some of the money make it real for yourself buy yourself something. I know you're conservative and you don't do high in the hog but what is something you like go buy it. Take the money out make it real for yourself so you feel like it's real. Because sometimes when you let it sit in the account like that and you never take money out and it's great to grow your account and I'm all for that too. But if you if it feels like Miss Pac-Man you're playing a video game and it never feels real for you when you have the profits. You know a lot of people are like that with this Bitcoin now. You know I mean there's people that were up in that and didn't get out and it was never real and they lost you know what I mean. I mean you at some point you have to cash out and cashing out sometimes is not just getting out of the profit in the day trade. You know it's also benefiting from the money that you're making and since you have not quit your job yet and you could just let it all right in there and grow up. That's fine but if you are having mental difficulties with it not being real then you need to take it out you need to buy something. I don't think there's anything wrong with that spend it so you feel like you have something more than what you had before and you're paying yourself and rewarding yourself for the hard work. Right well yeah I didn't think about it. I mean if that money never felt real to you I mean there's an easy way to fix that you know. Right right okay yeah all right. I mean I want to see you do well. I know that you can you know it's I was shocked shocked when I got your email. I just was I mean of all the people that I would thought I mean was not doing well. I was just fell off my chair was shocked because of how well you did how knew how well you were doing and you know what I there's just so many people in the room I can't look every day who's there and who's not. And I realized you hadn't been there for the last few months and you should have reached out to me as soon as you had the problems you should have reached out to me. I have no idea why you didn't reach out to me as soon as you started having problems you should have reached out to me. Yeah yeah thanks a lot. I think I like the main problem was you know of course last four months I couldn't trade in on morning so I didn't get a time to actually recover all the I guess confidence and everything back. I know but maybe you need to read some books right now on the side you need to do as many possible things as you can not just get back in the room and trade you need to do other things to have your confidence level because you just seem you're such an upbeat outgoing person. And I can hear it in your voice even now just you just you just sound exhausted. You just sound like tired of the whole thing. And you've got to get your mojo back. Yeah thanks a lot Melissa. I think yeah um yeah I think I think I will like you know start trading I mean come to the training room at least even if I don't trade you know maybe. You've got to I mean how you have to see things and you know I'll be very aware of the fact that now you like the later trades because sometimes I call them sometimes I don't because obviously I like the first one but I will be very aware and maybe this is even something I should bring up in the room maybe I should even bring up in the room tomorrow you know I'm sure there's other people like you who missed the first trade it happened so fast you know maybe I need to do a better job of calling the secondary entries. Yeah so but actually like I don't like I said I don't have a problem with like morning trades when I'm with you like that's one thing I learned is when I'm you know I'm following you and then you're everything else. Yeah I don't have problems but when I do myself is the problem. Well I mean you don't have to that's what I'm saying take the pressure off yourself you paid for the room. I'm not going anywhere so I mean like there's there's people in the room that have been in there that did the class years ago they do not need to be there they do not need to be there they just like the fact that I say blah blah blah stock is a good one. They already liked it before I said it and makes them feel better about taking the trade and I'm go with the entries there's nothing wrong with being there for the support system of me just to help even if it's nothing other than your confidence. Even though you know all the information if it helps your confidence that's good enough whatever it takes for you to do it is whatever it takes. Yeah okay great yeah Melissa thanks a lot. You're welcome I know that you can do this don't give up I will see you back in the room if you can get back in the room tomorrow try to be there tomorrow earnings season does start in the next week. You know this is a time that you could trade if you're not comfortable watch track everything look at the you know the entries that you would have done track how much money you would have made and don't just don't even think about putting your job right now you take the pressure off yourself and just. Go with the flow of the trading and your job. Right okay well so thanks a lot I really appreciate that you're welcome able and we'll do another session we have another session I think we have to do and we'll let's wait until after you start trading. Yeah exactly. Yeah for a while I'll probably I'll be in the room but I'll just be. That's okay. That's fine you need to work on your confidence and whatever that's going to take you need to think about that today okay. Sure yeah we'll do that thank you so much. Have a good day. You're welcome.