 That's gone in. That's just a massive advantage, of course, isn't it? Yes, it's huge. But the point is that people are saying that. These cubs are lost, do you know what I'm saying? Right, we're back down at Fogolf Chester. It's a little bit chilly at start to this morning. We've got, yeah there he is. Lewis is back on the channel. He's setting up what is a very new iron. It's the Epic Forge and it's a very strong lofted iron. It's 27 degrees and we've dug out a very old club. Well, it's 10 years old. The gap between these two clubs is 10 years in terms of their age of manufacture. But the difference in loft is zero. They're both lofted at 27 degrees and I want to see what's the difference between a seven iron 27 degrees, a five iron 27 degrees and see what happens in terms of the performance characteristics. Only one way to find out. Let's get in some golf balls and Lewis, good to be back. Good to be back. Yeah, I think I'll be hitting this summer as well. All ready to go? Let's get started. Right, so what I'm going to do before, hopefully, you can see me back there, but what I want to do, Lewis, is get some immediate feedback with five iron first. I'm going to start with a G15. I'll ask you the same on I'm just on a general feel and overall visually what you see before we get swayed by numbers. Just a little bit of offset, a little bit more. Yeah, I think this club in particular, yeah. I think that's what this club is trying to have. That sort of thing, yeah. I do want to know how you get straight out of the blocks and it's, you've had a minimal warm-up to say the least. It's not a bad shot. No, it was a good shot. First feel. Yeah. You know, solid, visually, just, you know, solid. Didn't, you know, quite flat. Yeah, I think I'd describe that as a traditional firing in both. Like, that's what I'd probably expect to see. Yeah, yeah. I think. Yeah. You can gain easily. I tell you what, this landed on top of one of those. Straight, is it? But that's what you expect. You know, easy to hit. Obviously it's cast a little bit harder. Yeah. You know, offset to the bottom. Interesting thing to mention as well. We've got exactly the same length of shaft in both of these. Yeah. That's something that people might pick up on. That's fine. So, carry on with this, get your numbers and then we'll do the same with the 7-iron. Right, sorry to interrupt, but I've got a quick question for you. At this point in the video, which would you rather use a 27-degree 5-iron or a 27-degree 7-iron? Seems a simple enough question, but where we are right now, what would you rather use? Comments down below. Right, so Lou, data collected. Over to the new... So straight away, top line isn't massively different. Isn't it? It's not massively different. So there's a considerable less offset. Yeah. Obviously different finish, but you can tell the length is the same it does. Yeah. You know, it's a little bit longer for a 7-iron, but oh wow. That's a super shot. Even the noise. Yeah, it was a lot softer, wasn't it? I didn't pick on the noise until I was watching the shot, but there's a lot softer sound. Completely different, but it's gone into that space, hasn't it? Yeah, it was a different launch altogether. That's what I would expect to see from a 7-iron. Yeah. You know what? That stands on the bottom, so... That's two balls. Super shots. Tell you what, you're in the... I mean, what I like is that, again, why Lewis has been brought in just for this type of video is perfect to see. Again, consistency of strike, which obviously has been good on all shots that we've seen so far. So same again. I mean, sound and feel, I can hear it and I'm not hitting the wall. I hope it picks it up on the audio, because it's dramatically different, but for me, it's what happens out there. Yeah. And the numbers I'm hoping will suggest, because visually you can see. It definitely will. Different flight. Visually we can see where it's landed going further. Yeah. But all brown, I think, looks, feel. Yeah. Distance, performance, you know. We're not trying to find any, you know, we're not reviewing this club, are we? No, no, it's all about, it's all about, like I say, modern technology. So carry on, hit the rest of the shots, let's get your data on that, and then it's my turn. I'm itching, mate, to hit a golf shot. Right, I'm going to have the benefits alluded now. This is the two clubs alongside him, and the size of profile, throw some clips up for you now, is hugely different. He's right about the top line. Not a lot, but it is thinner on the epic forge, but it's the back end, the amount of club you see behind the ball. It's hugely different, and a heel to toe overall size, again, is massively different. And that's what I said in the intro. If they can, if anyone, this whole thing about technology and progression, if they pack what I think they may have done inside of that size ahead, compared to what they did 10 years ago, then I think it really dispels the theory that, you know, clubs are the same as they were 10 years ago. I mean, straight away, size and profile alone is... Absolutely, I would totally agree. So I'm going to try five iron and get some. It's not a bad ball. Good hit. Yeah, good strike. Yeah, it's okay. What's your first thoughts on the flight though? Well, the flight for me, I mean, I know straight away, I hit the ball higher than Lou, in general. My ball flight is different, it's a bit weaker, more floaty ball flight. So that was higher than you, bit it. But, yeah. I mean, listen, if I was starting a game of golf, and people say again about golf being expensive, I don't know what these retails are. There's nothing wrong with these golf clubs. Absolutely not. That's not the point of this exercise. That ball's gone fine. Absolutely fine. Two shots I hit. I can get around the golf course with these, no problem at all. I don't think you're... That's one of the main reasons we didn't go for a weak lofted modern club, I think, isn't it? Because these were the market leaders' game improvement irons of the day, weren't they? They were doing what they were supposed to do 10 years ago, and that was make this game a little bit easier in terms of launch. And there's nothing wrong with that. I know for a fact, and I'm going to say fact, without looking at numbers, that's nowhere near what I'll hit a five iron nowadays, and I'd argue that I'd even hit that longer. The big thing for me is, if you told me you were hitting a seven iron. I'd visually go, yeah, I can see that. See that in flight, see that in the distance. You'll be hitting a lot of balls in here, don't we? I'll carry on it in these. Let me get my numbers on my five iron, and then it's over to... Right, I mean, in terms of looks, visuals, I mean, they're literal chalk and cheese, in terms of this is a far different looking club. But how does it perform? It's only just come down. That's what I was going to say, that is in the air a lot longer than what I've just been hitting five irons for. Ball flight is, well, I think that's it a couple. And that was a bit off the bottom groove as well, but still, again, my immediate reaction is this, and I'll carry on it in the balls until I find, get the data in full. The ball flight is incredibly different. I think that in two balls there, they're a lot higher in terms of peak height. I don't want the launch, you know, but in terms of peak height up, ball speed up. It is. Just off a couple of hits, so it will hit a few more and get it, but visually it backs up there. I mean, it's just literal, these are different balls in terms of where they're going to, in terms of into that sky. Feel is a lot softer, different animal altogether, like I said, in terms of that kind of performance, but I'll carry on it in these balls, collect some data, and I'll give you an overall evaluation from both Louis's perspective, who's, like I said, a more consistent ball striker, and also from mine as an average golfer. It's going. That's just a massive advantage of my overall performance, isn't it? Yeah, it's huge. But the point is that people are saying that these come to love, do you know? Fuck. And the description's a lot closer to that. You're all full, boy. I don't think you could put it that sharp with that. Now, say to me, I don't think I could hit that. White hands with green. Right, just back inside for the summary, and one thing I've got to do first of all is apologize to Louis because he's been deleted from the original summary. So sorry, Louis, you've been dropped, mate, but there's a reason for that. We did a summary, which was an immediate reaction to what we found, and it's very similar to what I'm going to tell you now, but with a slight addition, because since the days after I did the video, I thought about it in a slightly different way, which we'll get to shortly. So yeah, apologies to Louis, but we'll start with his numbers, straight into the numbers, because that's where all the explanation lies. Louis's numbers in front of you now, and it's a straight comparison of the overall averages. So you've got five iron and seven iron. And with Louis, bottom numbers being his five iron, 124 ball speed as opposed to 128. 6-2 spin, 6-1, very similar. Slight increase in carry with the seven iron, which was seven yards, one degree or almost one degree in terms of launch angle and 10 feet in terms of peak height. So not a huge difference is there. Certainly what we're seeing out there, which is a higher ball fight, higher launch, and a longer carry, six or seven yards. And again, we're not talking, this is not about distance, is it? Distance is not the key here. There's more to it than that. And I'll get to that when you look at my numbers, and I think we'll just get straight into them. Now, when you see my numbers, you start to see some significant differences. So ball speed, 113, as opposed to 121, unreal. I've spin in higher with the new seven iron, five floors supposed to five one, 14-yard additional in carry, 16.9 almost three degrees in terms of the launch angle and in terms of peak height, a significant difference in terms of where that ball goes out to. And hopefully you can see from the reaction when I hit the ball in particular, the difference that it made. And I think first of all, it highlights one major thing, is that the better player you are, the less reliant you are on the technology that clubs give. But I think what it also goes to show is that the technology that is in these clubs certainly goes a long way to help the average golfer. And if you look at it in one aspect, it brought my carry distances, my numbers, up to where not as long as, but it put me in the ballpark of Lewis. So it almost closed the gap, which is in theory, it shouldn't really happen. It shouldn't be allowed, that's not right. But here's the ability to find the centre of the club face more regularly, his consistency of strike meant that, I don't think here's differences, here's gains were anywhere near what I saw. But for me, don't forget what this channel is all about. Like I said, there's lots of professionals that review golf clubs, and perhaps would relay the information that we've just seen there from Lewis as being no major difference. But I review golf clubs on a perspective of an average golfer, so a handicap golfer. And there's major differences to be seen there. And the question that, like I said, I miss, because forgetting the fact that, you know, in terms of the profile, I much preferred the profile and so did Lewis, I won't repeat, like I said, I'll have to relay some of the information we caught in here, somebody. Apart from liking the looks of what is in the Epic Fords, in this instance, far better. The performance gains were there, but these are the way I look at it, very brief in terms of Lewis, ball speed up, carry distance up, and I'm reading off paper, as you hear, launching higher, higher peak height, steeper descent angle, which isn't on those numbers there. And then for my numbers, well, it's a significant gain. And a question I've gotten, the one that I didn't ask in the original summary, was this. The comment comes in quite frequently that, when you're testing a 7-iron, a stronger lofted 7-iron, and I'm talking about a 30-degree 7-iron now, often the comments will be made, well, that's not a 7-iron you're testing, it's a traditional 5-iron. Well, it's clearly not. And my question is this, and I asked it midway through the video, is if I've got a choice, I'm 170 yards into a green, and I've got a decision, I've got a choice of two clubs, I can either play the Ping G15, 27-degree, or I can play the same distance, same carry, 170 yards, well, I can't get that, actually, out of the Ping G15, but I can choose to play the new, with the modern technology, with the lower CG, with the steeper, launch angle, steeper descent angle, higher peak height, I've got two choices, I've got a choice to make between one of those two clubs. I ask you that question, which would you choose? Because why can't I stand when I do these videos, is that choice to me seems very, very straightforward, then I must be missing a major point here, because like I said, my, the point, I've done these videos before, similar, of similar nature, but this more clear than ever has highlighted to me that, I would never understand, I understand why people might want to stick to traditions, but to say that technology is not moved on in clubs, is, I find bewildering, and I think that's as obvious as I've ever seen it to suggest there is a huge leap in the changes that are made. So from seven iron or five iron, well, I'm picking the seven iron all day long, if I've got that choice. You then go to this idea that, most of the criticism about stronger lofty clubs relates to, it's all about distance, everybody talks about distance being the thing, and for me, it's not about distance, it's been able to carry a distance with a great launch angle, great peak height, great spin number, and being able to land into greens from 170 yards, then the opposite, which is trying to hit it with that lower ball fight to the five iron that we've tried, there are the differences, and yardage is nothing to do with it in terms of how far you're carrying it, but the idea, the next thing that is potentially said, is that, or what's the point you need five wedges in your bag? Well, again, you don't. I think, again, we take comments to extremes, and I've worked back some numbers, and again, I'll read these from you, so if I'm on 170 on my seven iron, I'm on 68, 159, 140 pitching wedge, 130 gap wedge. Okay, let's assume 10 yard differences, and at the other end of the bag, I'm 186 iron, 195 iron, okay? That creates for seven irons. I've then got the option to put two wedges in the bottom end of the bag. I can put a hybrid, three wood, a driver, and a putter. Add all in together, that's 13 clubs, and I've still got room for one more club, whether it be another wedge or another thing at the top end of the bag that I prefer to hit. But either way, it again comes down to this. If I've got to put more wedges in the bag to cover distances down the bottom end, well, I'd prefer to have a shorter club with more loft on it any day of the week in the bag, if they're my options, then having to go down a longer end of the bag to try and resolve my issue. So like I said, going by that five iron number from me, and what is it, carrying 160, you try and work that backwards up to the top end of the bag, all lower end of the bag, and translate those launch angles, those peak heights at either end. And a game is a lot more difficult than it is, in my opinion, and I can't see it any other way at the moment in terms of that modern technology, and I really enjoyed doing the video, but the numbers for me were the first time where we've highlighted something so visible that for me, it's hard to ignore. But as ever, it's just an opinion, and it's providing some information, some feedback to you, the average golfer. Do it at what you will, interpret it as you please, and as ever, comment down below. And more importantly, thank you for watching, and I'll see you all soon. That's me, I'm done.