 Welcome to Toffy TV. It is the footy show daily where we are trying to make sense of everything that's going on and trying to keep us up to date with everything going on in the world of football and when football will be back. Tuesday we mentioned that the French League had been cancelled. That was by the government's hand. Since then, Leagoon have made the Palestinian Champions. They have made their UEFA places known, Champions League Europa League. They've made the relegator teams and the relegator teams. That's all being done. They've drawn a line under it and that's it. No fuss, no... Think there'll be any league or challenges there? Or do you think the relegator clubs are mean? No, I don't think they will. I think what's most interesting is, and I think this is really interesting, is that the Palestinians are obviously going to use this as an opportunity, aren't they? Because UEFA still want the Champions League to go ahead. The Palestinians are maybe angling for this to play home games in Qatar. Okay, which opens so many doors. I mean, that's a lockdown at the moment as well, but I'm sure they would... No, but if France, what I'm saying is for France, saying we're having nothing in Qatar, I say, well, you can have a behind closed door, so yeah, then those games will be getting... The Champions League in Qatar was mentioned, wasn't it? It was mentioned as a mini-tournament kind of thing, just in a one thing, just games and... But they've said if they need to have home games, they're happy to have them abroad, which yeah... That's another thing, isn't it? Another opportunity. Maybe that's why they're not kicking up a fuss about it or what, because they could see that there was an opportunity. But anyway, that league's sorted, they've sorted that. Germany are going to make a decision next week of when they're going to restart. They've had a spike in coronavirus again because of the easing of lockdown measures. I think the Swiss League's going to start soon as well. Spain's still aiming for June, Italy for June, but again, it's not indefinite. But over here, the Premier League, it seems to be... there's a big meeting tomorrow and it seems to be that it looks like June the 8th is definitely the day that they're... Not just aiming for, but they've already started the plans for it. There's various rumours, depending on what forum or whatever you go on and talk of certain venues being used, so not every Premier League team will play at home. Certain venues, hotels getting booked, logistics getting sorted and they seem to want to push ahead with it, even though with the restrictions that are getting put in place and the testing and the face masks and the non-spitting and all these things, I just don't know if the appetite is there for it at the moment. It's weird. I don't think it's there, well, it seems not to be there for the majority of the public. There's a section of the public that won it played, of course. There's ones who won it for their own means, which is fine, but there'll be people who won it just because it's something to take their mind off what's going on and we get that. We've got a football channel, we rely on football, but the reality is, you've just said it there, the more... When you actually stop and think about and go through each kind of requirement and the stacking up one after the other, you do start to wonder, why is this desperation? We know why for months we've had you, but players wear the masks. Now, you've got to wear masks to play football. You can't be able to breathe in them. How do we know we're not putting players' lives at risk, run their armour and mask on, if you can't get enough oxygen or with a strain on it? It's bizarre that everything's got to be disinfected. The ball's got to be disinfected. It's a booking if you spit, which is fine, but it goes on all over the... If you do it unconsciously, you're just like... It doesn't make sense, does it? It just doesn't make sense that we're pushing ahead with something that is not clearly, is not a vital service. Project restart. This is the proposals. All footballs, global positioning systems, units, cones, corner flags, goalposts, other equipment to be disinfected before and after use by staff wearing PPE. We've given them PPE now as well when frontline staff haven't got it. Players to wear masks or snoods at all times. Cars to be parked three spaces apart. No massages unless approved by the club doctor. Fluids to be left at a designated pick-up point. Only visit the training block to use a toilet. Initially only five players per training group. Players to be given designated time slots and 15 minutes to prepare. 75 minutes of small group training. 15 minutes recovery. Players and staff will be banned from spitting at the training ground. Clothes will also be presented with proposals to test players and officials at least twice per week, subject to government approval. The proposals have been drafted by Premier League Medical Advisor Dr Mark Gillett following close consultation with other European leagues, La Liga and Bundesliga. But tests will only be done on the understanding it does not compromise the testing of key workers during the coronavirus pandemic. Tests will be paid for from the Premier League and privately sourced so it does not take away any from who's needed on the front line. I get why they've come up with those requirements, but it just seems mad. So many little things to pull apart in it. For me the thing with the stadiums, the neutral stadiums, we've spoke about this before. What's neutral and what isn't neutral? Are some teams going to be playing their own? Are some teams going to have their stadium used but they're not going to play there? That's what you'd have to do. If you were going to, if it gets to a situation where, say like good or some part, it can't be used, it's an older stadium. Say that isn't used but Amfield was for argumentary, then Everton should have to play. Maybe play at Amfield but Liverpool can't play there, Liverpool have to play at Old Trafford say or whatever. I don't know how it works but I think it's important if you're going to do it that way that team who's stadiums getting used isn't allowed to play there. Because if others aren't, I mean they're already talking about changing the rules of the competition, five substitutes. I've seen another one with breaks after 20 minutes and breaks and it's like, so already you're changing the whole competition. You then can't go, well you can play around because your grand's safe but Tottenham can play around because they've got a brand new stadium or Man United can't because their stadium is being built for years or whatever. I'm just using them as an example. So if you're going to use those grand's fine but don't let the team, if it does come back and that's the fun, don't let the team who's stadium has played it so that there's some kind of fairness to it if you like, that everybody's playing on a neutral stadium rather than people are playing at home even though they're not. People will probably think that doesn't make any sense because if Anfield's getting used then why can't we play at Anfield? But you've got people like the mayor of Liverpool come on Joe Anderson saying, I know for a fact that's what he's saying. If Liverpool win it, people will turn up at Anfield. People will turn up at Anfield. There's just no getting away from that. You understand and we know that and that's not it. By the way that's not a criticism of anyone. That's something we're about to win at Evertonians. Exactly, that's not a criticism of anyone. I genuinely believe that wherever Liverpool get an opportunity to win the league, thousands of fans will flock there. You can't be on the road. How are you going to stop them though? Roadblocks. There's no way. So if that's the case then it can't be played then. You have to understand that roadblocks, right? What are you doing with roadblocks? Police. So you're going to have all these extra police that are non-ascente. No, no, what I'm saying is if you're going to have roadblocks then you're saying to yourself then why are we having roadblocks? Playing devil's advocate. By the time Liverpool win it, lockdown might be the thing. Yeah and that's the thing that the saying is that but that's not the point lockdown might be in place. But social distancing will be in a place and I read the thing today or I can't remember whether or I was listening to it. And they were saying if lockdown's not in place then there'll be more normal crime because it won't be. Do you know what I'm saying? No because crime's gone down hasn't it? Yeah. Right? So crime's gone down naturally but if lockdown goes away crime will start going back up again. So police will be needed to do their normal job. So if you're suddenly saying you're going to have to barricade around some ground for a game of football that is actually non-essential because you think thousands of people are going to tear up. And listen I'd honestly just hand the title to Liverpool I'm not asked but if this is not about Liverpool this could be a battle relegation game. This could be a game concerning the bottom three. Yeah in Aston Villa big club and all their fans are like we need to be somewhere to see this game or there's going to be a lock-in or a pub somewhere or something and the police have to be there. It just doesn't make any sense. On paper you go and you go we've covered that tick we've covered that tick we've covered that tick. What happens if let's again I'm only picking Liverpool because they're the ones going for the title. What if Liverpool are playing somewhere let's say it's I don't know Villa Park let's just say. Right loads of reds are just like let's get down there get down there please turn up because it's a block them. Then you've got low Liverpool fans we want to be somewhere loads of police you want to stop them being somewhere. You've got people crossing into that and then it's like a way something's happened. There's been a fight or something with them we need an ambulance. It's not it just seems need to be an ambulance there anyway doesn't it just seems so. Out of the realm of what we are trying to do the country contradictory to what what we're trying to achieve. You know my thoughts on lockdown I'd lock it down again till the middle of June. I'd lock the whole country down till the middle of June and go but trying to get a real grip on this. We want it don't we want it where there's no new COVID cases it's what we want don't we we want it so that when we do actually start easing lockdown. We've got a handle on it the NHS at back up run and the saying has led something 18,000 people are dying from cancer because of this. Because the hospitals loads of people are dying each week because they're not going to A&E because they're scared of catching it. So you've got all that round there to deal with it so why are we putting even more pressure on that while we haven't got a real grip of it. Listen we don't know if we have or we haven't at the moment because we're in we're only now coming I think into a period where it's going to be measurable. Let me go back to something right which we something we spoke about when this phase started right. Do you think that maybe we should start considering the possibility of saying when it's safe to come back we come back and start this season. And if there's a knock on to next season so be it. No I honestly think now I did think that at the time I thought when we spoke about this probably five weeks ago maybe or something like that. I was like that I remember you saying what he could do is buy themselves time then maybe try to do it. And I was like maybe yeah I just write it off just scrap it now till September. If that's what's happening give it a Liverpool doesn't matter I'm not like you. No but I don't think it's about Liverpool anymore though because I tell you I just think it's about money right. No I know but I think genuinely that some of these football clubs are genuinely starting to fear what will happen in the season doesn't finish. And I mean that in terms of like real implications. No but the thing is that we're getting this way of thinking of like it's all about finishing the season because of who wins the league and who gets relegated in the SUA for places or whatever. Whereas what we may not be looking at is actually the financial implications. I know we do go we might be to buy that player but I mean deeper than that like seriously deeper than that. And I think it shows that that foot we you know we spoke about lead saying that he budgeted to come up. I think we might be creeping away from now some of not just like teams in league one, league two. I think that might be starting to creep up now. And I think some Premier League clubs might be looking over their shoulder going we are. Well there's been a thing today saying so I can't remember a Premier League owner it says so doesn't name them saying that if it's and I don't believe this will be the case by the way. But if football doesn't come back till as a vaccine 95% of the teams will go in the Premier League will go won't be clubs anymore. Because even if we sack all of our staff we still got to pay players and the players wages what kills the club. He said everyone will be but Liverpool are losing hemorrhage in 9 million a week. Liverpool are a massive club with massive you know massive capability of making money. And yeah they're about to lose a hundred and fifty million. Listen the basic facts out of football clubs is or any business money coming in pays for everything. Primarch is that shut you know it can only be shut for so long before the people who own it it starts cutting today. You know and we sometimes laugh when we hear you know people like Richard Branson and he's trying to tell them people. But I think it's the uncertainty of when it's coming back is that and I think that's what's driving. But the nine games whether they played at all is almost irrelevant if they turn and go it's no 40 till September like France have done. You know maybe you can give you spoke to Richard Keys about it and he come up with a good idea and it was like you just give Sky and everyone an exit year because that's what the Premier League have to do. You have to be adaptable. But then I suppose that money from like Sky would be is like we're getting our money from. No I know but that's real that's facts. At the end of the day then there's the only option is to play the game from a football. I'm just saying that a lot of it is the arguments is being clouded by who wins what. No one over for the general public though it seems to be like the seems to be like well who wins what but as I just feel like there might be a delay to this. But that takes me back to what I was saying before it's that the idea it does it does seem weird that this idea of restarting the season and I don't know why that is. I don't know why the idea of restarting the season later on and then pushing next season further on hasn't been discussed. I find that I just find that things whether you agree with it or don't agree with it because the euros you can play round the euros. No I'm saying if everyone euros the copper America the Olympic if everyone agreed and then there's the then there's three weeks then there's the new Premier League season which you could delay as well because then what you're doing is for the second nine games which don't really matter. They're called you know in the grand scheme of things you're knocking out the next two seasons calendar. Don't yeah but like the argument would be though is that because of the World Cup in 2022 that would already that's already knocking it out if that makes sense. No no but it's still but I just think that then creates more problems for that year. If you start saying if you start saying right the gap the gap for the pre-season if you are too short of pre-seasons so that when you got by the time you got to that World Cup you could get your you could get your season back on track afterwards. Meaning that the following season the twenty twenty three twenty four season. No I know I know I'm just I'm just saying as in it just I know that seems mad that you delay delay and that you could just get those nine games but I'm something that if those if these nine games are clearly financially so essential and otherwise football would just or even the government because it seems to me as well that the government are understand the importance of these nine games for everything and that's I think something that way on not being told of the financial significance because otherwise you just do what France has done and I just think that it's weird that's not an option. I just I just think that I just think it's weird I just and that's that's I've got no sort of dog in the fight when it comes to that I'm not you know I just I just think it's weird I just just it's just like oh you've got it you've got to get this one finished and you've got to start the next one and it's like there is a natural buffer zone that's been built in because of that World Cup. For me it's why we're panicking over nine games. Why would you put two seasons out for nine games? That don't matter. But then the argument on that would be why does next season matter then? Because it does because then you're throwing everything out as you go forward. But why is next season any more important than this season? This season's already been disjointed and six weeks have gone without playing football nearly seven. I can't reply in three months will have gone. Because you have to pull everything back in life because there's so many things rely on it. No I know and that's clearly why we're coming back. Champions League. Champions League I don't I don't see how that can come back next season. Why do you think you way for a making teams making countries declare winners? No I get that. I just don't understand how it can come back in its natural form because the qualifier like to say me about the Europa League I can't understand. They just they will do what they do. I can't understand how you can have. They've already made the 12 nations who are hosting the Euros commit now otherwise they're going to give it to other people. No I understand that. That's next summer. It's the same as the Premier League. But I just don't understand that you can have how all those qualifying games can go on. Fight or getting. Whether they'll just do what he did last year and go. Whether they're going to sit down and go actually. Because you're hopefully generally starting like June, July. That's not going to be happening so. Exactly. He might just do every team he was in. In September. Excuse me. In the group just goes back in it. I don't know. Cos they're not going to be. If they come to a decision that those tournaments are not complete. Then maybe they will or may. Can you talk about the Premier League and go on. It's catastrophic for teams with the nine games I'm playing. What about your way for? The money that swashes about for the Champions League and the Europa League for them is ridiculous. No I know but I think. And they can't be postponed. But I think with UEFA though. UEFA have got other forms of income. And they've got the national teams as well. There's no international football. No I know but that's what I'm saying. They've got other forms of income. Let's put it that way. I just think in a grand scheme of things. The Premier League's way down the list in terms of what's more important to UEFA. Than they govern it. There's not a chance that Champions League will be banned. And they won't allow teams to delay seasons and go oh yeah. You can pick that back up if it's going to throw the timetable out for day tournaments. It just won't happen. And that's why. That's why no one's even talking about them nine games. I just find that very strange cos I don't. Cos I'm going to be of the same view. You can't jeopardise other seasons for this. It's unlucky. It's the way it is. It's happened. Everybody's experienced it. But in general it's a game of football. To football season doesn't mean anything. Another one starts. You're trying to get back to normality to follow a calendar. It's what we do. Whether it's right or wrong. I don't know but it's a calendar isn't it? Of what happens. And so they just look and go right. If we start September or the middle of September then we can finish in time for the Euros. Then everything's back on track. Whether that happens we don't know. Cos we don't know how this is going to play out in the next couple of months. That'll be their thinking. Which is the reason why other teams have gone. We'll just tag it on next season. Why teams like Holland have gone it off. Why France have gone it done. We'll restart. It's not just the Premier League. I expect, to be honest, I expect Spain to do it. I don't think Spain will return. There is apparently talk of people amongst the French government speaking to people in the other countries. Trying to push the top five and push to follow suit. Because from that point of view it takes the pressure off everyone then. And then we're all in the same boat. And actually then, if you do that, what you're saying to people is or what you're saying to UEFA is that you don't need to worry about like you've just said. You don't need to worry about the qualifiers or whatever or let's just have a clean summit. If that makes sense, just have it. Like why we're not having the Euros. Just have a clean summit. You're right though, I don't know how. I don't know logistically how it's going to work for them with. Because Europa League starts next week, doesn't it, on a Thursday. It's been someones pub, park, car park normally. It starts like June, doesn't it? It's gone like three. It starts like late June, doesn't it? And this games all of those teams. Everywhere, everywhere. And people have got to travel. I mean, cos we're so focused on, we're so focused on the big teams. I think this is why what France has done is really clever. Cos we're so focused on the big teams. That, you know, it's great that we've got this plan to being Premier League football back. What about the championship? Why don't league one? Why don't league two? Gary Neville said yesterday, he just can't. He just said you can't. We can't afford to put our plays in a hotel. Therefore, they go home. If they go on home, they're creating an environment and that's every single one of them. They can't happen. So at least in France by saying at the top. We're done. It takes the pressure off all those teams at the bottom. Because you know what, in a country like France, where, okay, you've got Paris on your mind and they distort everything. There's a couple of other teams who've got a little bit of money but not loads. Is that those teams at the bottom we're getting relegated might just be like, I'm glad we're not going out of business. I'm not really asked we're getting relegated. I'm just glad we're not. The French government with the FA might have made them assurance and said, financially we'll look after you. Where is the other side of it might have been? Which I think is a little bit like Scotland in terms of like, some teams just want to survive. They're not bother playing. They just want to know that it's going to survive. And that's the mad thing about, I think with the whole football pyramid in this country at the moment is, those clubs at the moment were not playing. I think Blackpain have done something today that they've defered loads of money. Is this clubs now? Not knowing, so therefore they don't know if they can pay that bill or whether they should put that. And that's why a decision has to be made and I don't know whether that will be made tomorrow. And if it is made tomorrow for the Premier League, will everyone just go, oh it's amazing but then what about everyone else? I don't see how, I honestly don't see how the rest of the league can come back. I don't see how you can create the same environment. I think creating it for 20 teams, you've got buckets of money and for a product, that's got buckets of money. But I don't see how the Champions League, League 1, League 2 can do it. It's not feasible to do it. And their stadiums would not be good enough. No. So therefore they'd have to start playing in the big stadiums. So where's the extra time for those games in those stadiums? Because if we're saying something like Godderson probably isn't good enough for these games in terms of the cleaning of them, the disinfecting. Anything that's got wooden brick. You know what I mean? You're done basically. I find it staggering that it'll be... I don't see any way. It's nearly May. Five weeks off what's supposed to be the start of the Premier League. There just doesn't seem to be any talk about League 1 and League 2 or even the Championship. I don't see any way from it rationally and you look at it and you look at what they're proposing and you look at what's needed and you look at all of those things. You can't see any way that it can come. You can't. And I know people can have a selfish view on it or people can go and know. And I've said all along, there's too much of an appetite for the money for it not to be played. But if you step back from it, how can it be played at the moment? We come September, which is four months away. We might be further down the line with a vaccine or at least a drug that helps. And then I think it can come back then and close doors for everyone. But obviously with social distancing and everything else. But we'll be a lot further along this journey than we are now. We'll have more data about it. We'll know more how it acts. We'll know more what we can do and how we can control it. And then hopefully as we move forward we can all get back in the stadium again. But at the minute, miles away from that. It just feels like there's two opposing forces pulling at each other. The problem is I don't know what the general appetite is. And that's the simple fact. You don't know whether people don't want it now and yet when the 8 of Dune comes on and a ball gets kicked with it, you shouldn't go, oh, well, if they're playing it, they're playing it. If everything kicked off on the 8 of Dune you'd have a game footy to watch. So you'd sit down and go, watch footy because there's nothing else that's going on and nothing else is normal and that would be, I understand somewhere in my psyche I understand what they're saying. If that comes back, it's a little bit of a nod to normality that people do. But not when it's still people are still buying and not when there's not enough resources for the people who are helping keep people alive and trying to discover it. That, morally, is an issue, isn't it? Let us know your thoughts in the comments. Do you think football should come back? Do you think it should come back in the 8 of Dune? Do you think it should just be cancelled? Try not to take your whatever hat you wear enough. Do you think it's stupid the way it's apparently being organised? Let us know your thoughts and what about League 1 and League 2 in the championship? How are they going to come back and play their games? Or should they not even be thinking about that? Let us know your thoughts in the comments. Give this video a like, subscribe if you haven't already and if you want more great videos join us over on Patreon. The link is in the description. See you later.