 Welcome to Dare to Dream. This is Debbie Dashinger, and so glad you're here with us on the show. A little bit later, I'll be speaking with Chandra Hire. She's a retired fashion model, empowering others as a medicine woman, a healer, and the owner of Tribu Spirit, Dare to Dream podcast. When the COV Award for Best Radio and Podcast Show, Walt Magazine named Dare to Dream with Debbie Dashinger, one of the top 20 best podcasts to listen to this year. It's a high-ranking self-improvement show on Apple Podcasts and has been nominated for two People's Choice Podcast Awards and for a Webby Award. Thank you to our sponsors, Dr. Dane here in Access Consciousness. They do energy work out into the world, so if you're ready to become a facilitator or just take healing classes, go to drdanehere.com or accessconsciousness.com. I'm Debbie Dashinger. I am a book writing coach. I help you go from the idea of your book to the self-published finish and create a highly engaging page turner. I also have a company that takes your book to a guaranteed international bestseller. And finally, I teach people how to be interviewed on radio and podcasts. I am a publicist and I show you how to get massive results for your time spent on air. Time for you to book your spots and if you would like to learn how to be more visible. I have all sorts of templates and how-tos and I show you exactly how to start creating what I'm talking about for media visibility for spiritual messengers. Got to debbiedashinger.com slash gift. That's D-E-B-B-I-D-A-C-H-I-N-G-E-R.com slash gift. So today, I'm speaking with Chandra Hire, who is of Cherokee Indian heritage, a medicine woman, quantum energy healer, sound therapist and conscious entrepreneur. She's a somatic trauma integration practitioner, ascension guide and mentor. Chandra is the founder and creator of Tribu Spirit, an online shamanic shop and Aurora Quartz Grails providing high-frequency crystalline sound bowls and grails encoded with special codes of light. She's been working in service with sacred plants since 2010 and travels the world serving in ceremonies under her established plant medicine church, Tribu that's T-R-I-B-U. Chandra has knowledge and experience in many different fields of healing and shamanic arts. Chandra is an Aurora emissary of light, a group of galactic beings here to assist in the planetary ascension. You can learn more about her by going to tribuspirit.com as well as hireconsciousness.com and that's H-Y-R-E-consciousness.com or find her on Instagram at tribu underscore spirit. And with that, I welcome Chandra to the Dare to Dream show. It is so great to have you welcome. Thank you so much, Debbie. It's a real blessing and an honor to be here. Thank you for the opportunity and welcome to my ceremony room. Woohoo, I love it. I'm ready to go there and sing to tell you the truth, create some magic with you. I love it. Well, just so I gotta start there because I'm looking at these yummy, just spectacular creatures if they feel like living entities. So could you tell us a little bit about what we're looking at? Like, can we start with this gold or brass looking one? Yeah. So I don't know if you can see the artwork on it. Oh yeah. No, I can. Yep. This is the ether artwork and this is from the limited edition collection and this one is also part of the limited edition collection. This is air. You can see the butterflies and the crystals in there. So I'll tap this one. Hopefully the sound isn't too distorted. Yeah, I'll have to turn on the music because we can't hear it. Let me try that and try that now and let's see if we can hear it. To give you a little vibrational feel. Oh, I heard a harmony in there at the end. There were several notes playing at the same time at the end. Yeah, they resonate, resonate. And then when you play one, if you have other ones around them, they will also resonate and then create a third one. So this is the limited edition collection. I don't have the full one. You can find it on the website, but all of this magic started, I started channeling all of this, which is part of my galactic history as in Aurora, which I haven't really spoke a whole lot about. It's a lot of new information, even for me as my lineage and my Akashic, a really Oiyaman wearing a phone, and also the auroras as galactic beings of light. So the information started coming in fit by bit, like little puzzle piece by puzzle piece. And now that I have the full puzzle, I'm able to share with you in bite sizes so that we don't have this really long story. Essentially, so what these codes, they're really alchemy of what happens and what they do. The auroras I'll share with you are a group of galactic beings, which I am. We are from Andromeda, from the next universe. So if you wanna say we're essentially from the future, coming back to serve humanity in the Ascension. And it's because the Ascension has been hijacked by the maybe of the alien agenda and the Kabul. As I know, lots of us probably know and have experienced. And if you didn't think that, I think the last two, three years of what has happened on the planet, certainly has helped others awaken into what's really going on. We're in a very galactic war and we have been for eons. The Ascension, so our Ascension, we really should be in the fifth dimension on the planet. The Ascension has been hijacked. And I'd love to ask you, if you experience this, I always ask people if you've experienced this. So to just kind of test, have you ever connected into like beautiful, blissful states of oneness with God, with spirit, whatever you, your source consciousness connecting in like a really high frequency. And then you get pummeled down to the floor and it's like a week or sometimes a month and you're just as high as you went. You were really far down. No, that has not happened to me at all. And the only time I've ever felt a bit, it's hard to say, I'm like not ripped out but extracted from a state like that was when I did Bufo. Yeah. Yeah, and that's, you know, a little bit of a bummer when you come back. But no, I've never had that. Why? What is, what is that where you feel? Cause I felt the oneness for sure. And I've been in that blissful state and that very all that is in the very creator state but I've not had a pummeled. Okay, good. What happens is that there's a frequency fence around the planet. So if you say that this is the planet, there is a frequency fence preventing you from really accessing the higher codes of like new earth codes, new higher frequencies of light. So when you hit the frequency fence, it's say you're connecting into source consciousness, you become one with all that is. There is like, because it's a frequency fence, it sends a trigger. So it will detect you and it will send a trigger to you a frequency wave of a low vibration so that you're not connected into that state to keep you over frequency. And also whether it's conscious or unconscious to really program you to think twice about entering into that state of oneness again. There's all sorts of implants programs, dynamics that are happening out there in the aetheric. Well, tell me how did you become an aurora emissary of light? What's the specific work that you do? As an aurora, I carry these frequencies within me. So the codes, I can explain the codes and what they do alchemically. You have the rainbow spectrum of light, right? Like the primary colors. And then you have the golden frequency of light which is for really it's the Christ consciousness frequency of unconditional love. And then you have the feminine which is the Magdalen Sophia Christ consciousness energy. So you have the divine masculine and the divine feminine. The feminine is copper. So you have the copper and the gold. These are both alchemical elements and when they're bonded onto the rainbow frequent the primary series of colors, they then birth a new frequency of light which is coding, which is all of these colors that you see. And also within these, they're like the aurora borealis. They shift, they're shapeshifters. Really, when I've seen them appear, they're just massive pillars of light that look like this and they shapeshift in different colors. And what do they do these frequencies? What do they create in people or what do they facilitate? The frequencies are really about oneness and sovereignty. Like to really be God, sovereign and free. So when I'm in ceremony, I always call it in the auroras. There are also the aurora elemental guardians that are actually the codes. These are engraved with Izzy Ivey's artwork. She's quite a really beautiful Australian artist. She's very galactic herself and she connects with the auroras and she's been painting them. So I have her aurora elemental guardian series and they are actual bees, etheric beings, elemental guardians. So these elemental guardians are the ones that I call in to create the rainbow fence. It's like a rainbow bridge, sorry, rainbow bridge over the frequency fence so that we can access the higher codes of light which is new information. It's all about sovereignty and oneness. And really when you access it, it's exactly where this turquoise piece of mine is. It's in your higher heart chakra and it's just this beautiful, joyful, blissful. It's like going back to your childlike state of creation and joy and magic. That's so awesome. And so would you describe them as your star family that you're in contact the auroras? Yeah. Talk about the mission. Why are the auroras an important part of the ascension? As I explained because the ascension has been hijacked we are in the process of, so that's really why the auroras have been received to call to come to anchor in the higher codes and the frequencies of light. You can connect to them through the sun. I receive information through the sun. I understand information through light which I just learned is something called like color and light or sound, synesthesia. It's like understanding information through sound or frequency and light, which is something I do. And I always thought it was just some weird thing that I did that other people, so it's a thing. The coding, so all matter, all density, all matter is formed. And I received this in a really deep wachuma ceremony that I was in. The spirit of wachumas helped me recover a lot of my galactic history and information. In one of those ceremonies, he was showing me how matter is formed. And there was, I was in the womb of the darkness of the nothingness like in the abyss, you know? And then there was this beam of light that came in of impregnation and it was the seed of light and light. And then everything started to take shape and form. And I was shown that all matter is birthed by light which is then sound and frequency and vibration. And through that, we can also see back by science of the schematics, you know, when you have the frequencies and they begin to start taking shape, then it begins to form the flower of life just like we've seen in probably basic science classes. So within the light is the codes. Light is like super packed with information, like super teeny tiny little nano particles. And then when you open it, it's all this information. So when you, when I encourage everyone to go sit out in the sun and really, like don't look straight into the sun, but squint. And as you squint, as you're sun gazing, your eyes will begin to cry. This is actually really good and healthy for your eyes but it activates your pineal gland and your crown chakra and you'll be able to access those consciousness. This is so interesting to me because I know exactly about what you're talking about. I've, I took a class with a very advanced person. I won't go into his story, but it's pretty incredible. And he discussed exactly what you're talking about the sun gazing and the activation of the pineal gland and so forth. And I definitely, you know, as a singer, as somebody who I feel like my first language is music and when I've had my galactic history done, Andromeda, Lyra, et cetera, that, you know, it's always been for me frequency and communication, like all my lifetimes. So I totally understand what you're saying. And so when you're- You might be in a mora. How would I know that? How would you know that? So I've uncovered a lot of this. It was a lot of weird, really strange, weird and not very pleasant ET experiences that would take way too long to explain here in this short hour. But I've been working with a woman. I always have someone on my team that I like, that's my responsibility as a spaceholder in medicine to constantly be making sure my energy field is clear. So I have an incredible energy worker that I work with and she's able to tap into the akasha. And because I've uncovered a lot already, I've been looking for information and she's just taken that and then uncovered even more. So I would actually like to write a book and I'll probably be asking you about it in the near future to maybe be the duela for my book. Beautiful. Okay, so two things. First, your name, Chandra Means, brings the light codes, right? So is your way of doing that here through these beautiful bowls and the grails you've created and your shops? And is it also through the ceremonies? And am I missing anything? Is there other ways that you bring the light codes and that you are an emissary? Really through everything I do is about elevating the consciousness, helping humanity evolve. I don't want to use the word heal because heal gives this connotation that we're broken and we're not. We just need to remember who we are and clear and realign to find the inner truth. Yeah, really it's through everything I do through the crystal chalice, grails and the bowls, through tribes spirit and the healing, helping indigenous tribes with the church and my ceremonial work. Yeah. And I understand that. And I love the fact that you've got a church because I know that's so important right now. Yeah, something that just happened a month ago. So it's like, it's fairly new and I've been working on it for about four years. And what not to do, how to do, how to structure it, how not to structure it was very, very important because they really don't want you to find the category that is the category that is all about sovereignty and freedom. Tribhu, beautiful. So you're interesting because you're an ex-fashion model. You grew up in Indiana, right? You come from Cherokee Indian heritage. Have you always, Shondra, been on the indigenous path or was there an unusual journey that got you here? Well, being in fashion, I actually, I come from a background of abuse and didn't start recognizing that until I was later in my twenties until being in fashion. Yeah, it was hard, it was fast and at one point I nearly lost my life. I was addicted to cocaine and a very short period of time, two years and I just went like this, really lost my life and very quickly woke up. I think because I was so scared, I literally felt my soul slipping and I woke up and I immediately, I changed my life from like one week to the next. I completely cleaned my life out and that's really when my healing began which was probably when I was 24. So I was never, yeah, that was probably like some of my darkest periods but I grew up in a way that, I never grew up in the reservation or even with family knowing history, really a whole lot of history of my Cherokee lineage. I only have like one picture of my grandma and my great-grandmother and she looks like a man. She's just standing there very stern like somebody you did not wanna mess with. But I intuitively, I always had this feeling that I knew a different way of life, it's like a memory that was very harmonious in nature, living on the land and I think that that soul desire to experience that was the guiding light if you wanna say to help me really begin my path in shamanism in modeling actually while I was modeling. And you say you went one day, you were one way and the next day you were a completely different person. What created that difference? I went from doing drugs and drinking alcohol and partying all the time to losing my life like nearly losing my life. I swallowed a whole bottle of Tylenol and I felt my soul slipping and I heard it was whether it was my higher self or a guide, I heard you better ask for help right now or you're gone. So I told my boyfriend at the time and he made me drink like everything in the hotel, no alcohol and then I threw it up and I was fine. So I really scared myself into sobriety I think. I went to a few NA and AA meetings and then that's all it took. It was like, okay, I got the code, I got the keys and I didn't wanna be suffering anymore and then I started my healing, I started addressing all the abuse that had happened to me in childhood. This was way before I ever even found some really like fat medicines and in New York then I started going to shamanic circles and found a lot of healing through the journey of the drama and entering into altered states of consciousness through a journey through the underworld, middle world, upper world, I'm sure you're working on now. And it was something that connected it in for me that was very powerful and very natural. I'd done other methods of healing and it was like, didn't quite fit. And then within the realm of shamanism and journeying through the drama, it was instant. Wow, amazing. And your online shamanic shop, T-R-I-B-U, Trebu like tribe, Trebu spirit, you have said was born out of a dream you had in this passion you had for the shamanic indigenous cultures. Can you tell me about what the dream was? I was in Brazil after a really strong heartbreak and Dove had burst into medicines for three months. And I had completely transformed, you know, like drinking medicine nearly every other day, three months was a lot. And when I got back to London, I was living in London at that time. It was, I was also at another point, like another sort of dark night in the soul where I was incredibly depressed, like the most depressed, I think I'd been leveled to maybe like the time period when I was in my twenties. And it was because I went so deep and I went back to London and where I was modeling and living in a city. And I was like, oh my gosh, like why am I modeling? This is so superficial. And why am I living in a city? Like all this density and this energy is just so, but we felt like this. I had to dig really, really deep. And I wanted to find a way where I could be a bridge for other people's healing to help them feel or experience, like even if it was a fraction of what I experienced and it was Hoppe that was beautiful sacred medicine that got me through my depression. And it was also through me wanting to help empower the indigenous tribes and also carry on their wisdom and their knowledge. And that's when Tribal Spirit was birthed. And is Hoppe the same as Rappé? Yeah, it's just pronounced differently. It's originally called Romepoto. And then in Portuguese, they say it is Rappé. But I was getting flared on certain search engines for the spelling of it, R-I-P-E. And I also didn't like that vibration of what it felt like when you say it. So I was one that started spelling it with an H and I always started pronouncing it as Hoppe. What is your favorite Rappé or Hoppe? What is your favorite Hoppe and why? The ones that we carry, I feel like they're all little babies for me in a way because it built such a strong relationship with each of them. I personally work with a lot the Cobra Coral. It's like a coral color. It has kumaru in it. And it's very clearing, but it's very uplifting. And that's why I love this one so much. There are other ones from time to time. You know, it's like having an ally. Each medicine is like having an ally. And sometimes you need a stronger ally or a stronger tool. So sometimes I work with a new kidney because that one's like a really strong arrow and you just go and it's really piercing. It pierces through everything that's really low vibration. I wanna talk about what you mean by I work with. And let me preface it by saying this. I'm curious about what is the way to, now I've certainly done Hoppe, myself, and tried many different kinds. Wow, sometimes it can be so powerful. And can we please talk about the drip that happens when you do a really powerful, let's call it nostril ingestion. And you get that woof. And then a little bit over the next minute, you get that, it's not pleasant for me, that drip. Can we talk about that for a second? Yeah, that's the medicine cleaning. When it goes into the navel cavity and up into here, and then it goes back into the back of your sinus cavity back here and then it starts to drain all the way down into your throat. At that point, it's the medicine cleaning you and then you need to really spit it out like. Oh, okay. About it, yeah. I didn't know, I didn't know. I'm going to see Poor and Gwee this weekend. You know, Poor and Gwee, his music? Yeah, yeah, amazing. So I'm sure I'll be doing Hoppe there. And so that's good to know, though I may not spit at the concert, but I'll deal with it. And so when you say you work with it, so here's why I'm asking this, because there's someone I know who does it and has Hoppe from all sorts of places all over the world. And he does it, let's say two, three times a day, maybe four at most. But there is a couple of people I know in his world who have mentioned to me, they think he's an addict because he does it. Or maybe he's been out to a meal with them and at the meal he'll take out. You know, he's got a little vial and he's got the, remind me the name of it, Karucha, what is it? Hooropee. Say it? Hooropee. Hooropee, yeah. So for people who don't know, so he puts just a tiny bit in his hand, scoops it up, I do it too, puts it in your nose and the other in your mouth, and you just toot it very quickly in. But people have mentioned, oh, we think he's an addict because why is he doing it all the time? And so I don't really have an answer for that. I actually don't have any judgment at all, but I would love to hear your point of view about what's the right way to use it? What's the right way to approach it? Is there a way that it's abusive to oneself or is it just beautiful that people do it one to four times a day, et cetera? Yeah, thank you for asking that question and how to come into medicine in a right. A reverent way, a sacred way. It's very important. I get asked this question a lot because it's made with mokacho, which is like 26 times stronger with nicotine than you would find in regular tobacco. Sorry. It can tend to be addictive. I always tell people, I always tell people when you come to the medicine, you make sure that you're clearing your energy first, playing ceremonial music, setting up a sacred space, really coming to it in prayer and a reverent way. You can't do that. Like if you're at the dinner table or I've seen people, I've been in a car with some people. Sorry. I've been in the car with some people where they're stopping at a stoplight and they do coffee. In two seconds, you know, like a junkie. And you can feel the energy behind it. For me, really, this medicine is arduous to make. It's made in love and prayer and it should only be respected in that way to Pacha Mama. Tell, maybe he wants to come on camera and he has something to say about Hapai. Gotta give him a voice. He signed the portal. He's an emissary, too. Yeah, he really is. Well, that's what his name means, Pacha. It's the catch-ball word for the way that they used to describe the upper, middle, and lower world. Haman Pacha, Hanak Pacha, and Pacha Mama. Amazing. Well, he's welcome. Should he choose to not be off camera? But OK, there's a reverence way. There's people stopping at a stoplight and they may whip out the Hapai and suddenly do it in a moment. And that's not you're saying what it was intended for. No. And when you come to the medicine in a reverent way, in a ceremonial way, it will change your whole relationship with it. There won't be this knee-jerk reaction because you're setting up an intentional start. Intention is everything. You could just have the power of intention in your life, like say with gratitude, and that will drastically shift your life. So if you come to medicine in a reverent ceremonial way, it's going to shift and change your whole relationship to the medicine. And nine times out of 10, I encourage people to do this and then it shifts their relationship with the medicine from one of, you know, using it excessively and then only using it reverently, making sure that they do a ceremony, that they're in a quiet space and they're doing it less, you know, normal, like maybe twice a day instead of six. And thank you so much for that explanation received. Yeah, very clear. You mentioned that your life change and your dream was born out of a Huachuma experience and I'm actually blown away. So I've done Huachuma many times, don't love drinking it, thank you very much, but the end result of course is beautiful, the open heart experience and the sense of love and oneness and connection and all of that. It's not a psychoactive for anybody who's wondering it's just really a heart opener and it's really lovely to do in a group. And I'm curious because I've never on Huachuma had an experience like you're talking about. So like what happened that occurred that gave you such a profound altering experience? Sorry, what experience are you talking about today? Yeah, you mentioned earlier, you were talking about this experience that changed you and opened you up, it was a defining moment, like a reference point that changed your direction and who you were, what you were gonna do. We need to replay, roll back the tape. Maybe I was speaking about Huachuma, it was a Huachuma ceremony that I was in Brazil, right? Information about how creation is formed through light and frequency and vibration. Correct. That's the one I was talking about. I mean all my journeys with that medicine has been incredibly transformational. Okay, you're talking about going when I was in Brazil and I had my three months deep dives in the jungle. Yeah, that's brave. That's really brave. Well, tell me about the indigenous people for you. Tell me about working with the Brazilian Amazonians or any of the other indigenous tribes, like what is that like? Do they welcome you in as a sister and what have you gained from living amongst them or drinking with them? I remember my first ceremony with the Huni Queen tribe. From which country? Brazil. Okay. And standing outside in the middle of the jungle by the fire and I'd never really seen the indigenous in pictures this way or so I didn't have any reference just like Native American indigenous people with their headdressings that they come back this way. I'm standing by the fire and Nino walks out and really Brazilian indigenous tend to be quite short. But she was wearing this massively tall headdress that was all the way up to here and I was just like, he was just as magnificent being that like floated out of the forest and I was like, you know, so that kind of set the tone for my first ceremony in my deep dive with them. And they're really, they're such incredibly, I want to say like simple but so pure, like pure in the sense that like they haven't been tainted by this world and you can feel the difference in them by the purity of the way that they look at life, the way that they approach life from also to their, to their everyday day-to-days of what they do. They gather together in a ceremonial tribal way of everyday, you know, to come together and you would really love and appreciate this to come together, like making pape is a ceremonial prayer. Everyone works with, they call ayahuasca, oh, I believe it's uni, they call it uni. Everyone takes a little bit of uni and it's very different in the jungle there. It's quite watered down, so it's not as strong. And then you're in this, like Maloka and the medicine, the tobacco is in like a really tall container, would be like this, but taller. And then it's, of course, everything's done in a ceremonial prayerful way. And then the whole tribe, like half of them are singing and playing songs while the medicine is going around and they're pounding the stick to make the pape. And then it's processed like this for days on end. So everything is just, you know, it's slower, it's more mindful and intentional in every, and it's through the simplicity and the power of being in the jungle alone is medicine. So, like the jungle is just incredibly powerful and they have all these different spirits that they call in during ceremony, whether it's the jiboya, which is the sacred, you know, serpent, like from other ayahuasca, or their cosmology of them coming from the stars, the different crafts that they work with. Yeah, and that's just the Brazilian tradition. And there's so many other traditions that I've worked with and continue to work with. I really love learning from just different aspects of each and every one of them. And then you can also see how they're interwoven, even sometimes in their cosmologies. I would love to do a book about this one day where you can see with the weavings. So like the Huni Queen, they have similar patterns sometimes to the Native Americans of like beadwork and basket weaving. And throughout all indigenous tribes, you can see the similarities. So it's really, to me, it says that we're all one big tribe and we're just, yeah, receiving different information. And yet on the same page. Yeah. That's beautiful. That sounds really magical. The whole idea of the forest and this man. How tall are you, by the way? I'm 5'9". So you're 5'9". So there's this shorter Brazilian gentleman coming up with this massive headdress that is so glorious and imposing and the whole idea of having your ayahuasca and then beating the hape and the tone they said and everyone doing the music and my goodness, being in the forest, in the jungle. Wow. Incredible. Yeah. And I feel like you're so brave. Like, I really do. That's a big deal. You're not saying, well, I just flew out, you know, and I had a little jaunt. I mean, you're talking about when you say you did this once for three months, that's commitment. And that is really finding your path. That's when you really know it's your path. And, Shandra, you've been doing these ceremonies with nature's medicine and I'll just name some of them that I am familiar with and then I want to talk about the ones I don't know. So there's ayahuasca. There's huachuma. There's bufo. There's psilocybin or mushrooms. There's combo. There's hape. And then you're also involved with something called changa, which I believe is ayahuasca and psilocybin. Talk about that. What is that? Why is it used? Tonga is DMT. And then a smoke mix. So I extract the DMT from Mimosa Park. Mimosa has still is. And then it's fused onto a smoke mix and your smoke mix. Anything. And mine has been an evolving recipe probably for seven years. It just keeps getting better. And so there's like at least 25 plants in there. But there are three different strains of ayahuasca. There's red. So I actually learned that my maestro didn't even know this in the jungle. So I would like to share this for others who might not know. The vine colors of ayahuasca are, they play a very particular role. Their colors do essentially what, yeah, what you would think. So red is for healing. White, so you've got red vine, white vine. This is the white vine is for white sorcery and magic. And then yellow is yellow, yellow vine. And this is for the heavens. So my changa has three different strains of ayahuasca. There's also other things in there to help open up your heart like bovinsana, different dream herbs for retaining the visions. So when it's smoke, it's smoked in a bomb. And you need to take at least three, three heads and you're in. And it's really, it's highly psychedelic and a different Bufo because you've worked with Bufo. Did you see anything in Bufo? Colors. Yeah. Yeah. I did. And I did the first one, the synthetic. And the second one was the, I hate to say it because I'm such an animal person. But yes, the second one was the toad. Very, very different experiences, both of them. And which one did you prefer? The toad. Yeah. It was much deeper and much, it was magnificent. And it only lasted, I know it's pretty normal, but it lasted 30 minutes for me. I could have, I could have hung out there for a while and enjoyed that. But yeah, it was a lot going on. It was, you know, really fast. And then it was very blissful. And it was really interesting to be completely immersed in that experience. And at the same time, there was a lucidity that was going on that was aware of where I was and what was happening. Yeah. I'm not. So with the synthetic, I'm curious, just like my dad's a retired engineer. So I get this like engineering scientific kind of side of me that really wants to know everything. But yeah, I, and of course, anything that's more natural is, is going to be more resonant with. And harmonious. With our, with our own beings. So what, what would somebody do Changa for? Would there be specific human experiences or issues or desires of creation that somebody would align themselves to do Changa? So one of the first times I made the medicine by myself, I was really scared to make it by myself. Of course, like loving every second of it. And did you do the red, the white or the yellow? All of them. Cool. I was like, you know, making, making my batch of medicine and just infusing all my love and prayers into it. And then when it came time to try the medicine, I was like, I hope I didn't mess it up. I really hope. So I received medicine and I really, I asked the medicine to show me my, my soul's purpose. And it was like so overwhelmingly. It was like one of the most beautiful journeys still to this day that I've ever had. The medicine showed me my highest essence of who I am on a soul level and what I'm here to do is all of this stuff. You know, back then it all has unfolded into this. And the medicine also communicated that it's part of my path to really share this medicine as medicine. There are a lot of people that have different feelings or viewpoints on a medicine that is chemically made. It is chemically made. You have to extract the DMT out of mimosa bark. And that's a chemical process. But to really give this medicine, the reputation that it deserves as a healing medicine, because it is incredibly profound. I've connected to a lot of my galactic star lineages, and I started to channel my language through this medicine. And I call this medicine, the divine cosmic mother. Because for me, there's, it's, it's grandmother medicine. You know, it's like some people say it's smokable ayahuasca, but I don't know that just, it doesn't feel right for me. I call her the divine cosmic mother. She is the source that births all life, you know, in the center of her womb. She is creation, death, and rebirth. And that is what one can experience on this medicine. It's like soul, soul retrievals have happened just through this medicine. Soul recognitions, you know, like soul, soul recoveries. When I say soul retrievals, deep, deep traumas and healing from childhood and connection, yeah, with galactic sources. People's guides, people are always connecting in with her guides. Whether it be like ancestral guides always coming in through this medicine. It's, yeah, it's, it's an honor to work with this medicine. And how long does it last? Once you take it, what, what is the journey like? Well, because I'm such an alchemist. There's a plant in there that I've added that, that makes it about 40 minutes. If you're, if you're in there for, yeah, if you've taken it properly, the journey should be about 40 minutes. This most recent batch that I've made, I didn't put that in there because sometimes it tends to create headaches. So normally it would be most people's jungle is like 15 or 20 minutes long. Got it. And what about Wilka? What is Wilka? I never heard of that. We don't got, have you heard of Yoko? Nope. Okay. Wilka is a psychoactive seed. They, they come from the Annie's. Wilka, Yoko, the Yoko seed is a masculine seed. It's about that big. And then the feminine seed, the grandmother is, she's really called the grandmother spirit is Wilka and she's smaller. She's maybe like a dime, a dime or a nickel size. So this is another very arduous snuff that is made. You have to roast. So it's the, you have to roast the seeds, peel the bark off of the seeds and then pound, pound it into a fine powder with lime powder. And then mix it with a little bit of different ash. And then you administer it the same way like you would as, as Hoppe, but most traditionally they do it too. This is where you find traditional types that are shaped like this, the two where it goes like this. And then in your, in your mouth, that's where this originates from, from Yoko or Wilka. And it's, it's been used in the Andes. And it's, it contains five MAO mild traces. So you really have to use like one gram to have a journey. And it's not very pleasant because of the lime powder and the way that it's processed and made. It's a bit rough in the nose, but it, it's then psychoactive and you begin having visuals in what you must. So I'm also training what you matter. And in what you must ceremonies is kind of like a secret. I'm getting away. Um, we would work with Wilka. And this is a very old traditional way to work when you're in a watching the ceremony to really then bring in the visions. Speaking of visions, there's also something you work with called Sonanga. And I understand that that's this powerful eye medicine that's used to sharpen night vision. Why would you use Sonanga? How do you use Sonanga? Sonanga is a non-psychoactive eye drop. It burns like you're dumping chili sauce in your eyes. That does not sound pleasant. Be prepared for that. Um, Sonanga is traditionally used as a hunter's medicine. So they would work with it in. Ceremony before they would go out for a hunt and intentionally, you know, pray. And they would use Sonanga to, to, to have the animal reveal itself. So now that helps, it contains a, like 10%. I believe. Evova. The Evova alkaloid. So it's, it's really powerful for addictions. Any kind of addiction under the sun. Um, because it contains Evova. And then it helps with the, so physically it helps with the eyes. It helps with the eyes. And corrective eye tissues. Um, I've had all sorts of testimonies of people saying that they've had. Degenerative eye diseases. They had to change the prescription in their eyeglasses. Uh, people with it helps with glaucoma. Uh, so all sorts of degenerative eye. Issues. Uh, it helps with like the depth of field. So you'll be able to see things farther. Like your eyes will become more vibrant. Um, after you start using it for a while, colors will become vibrant. And why one would want to. Yes, please. Because I'm still stuck on the feeling like you put chili in your eyes. I want to know how, how long does it take for that to dissipate? And then why does somebody use it ongoing? It's really about. Five. Five. Depending. You can make it really strong or more mild. The stronger it is. Obviously the more stronger the effects are. Um, anywhere from like 30 seconds to a minute is the burn. And it's really, really worth it because this medicine is absolutely incredible. I've always encouraged people to start working with it in the first place. And then you can make one drop in each eye. And then. As you continue, the burn gets less. You're able to handle it a lot easier. Because Sononga helps to clear the energy field. And really it helps with. Things like lethargy, depression, anxiety. Um, again, also helping to quiet the mind. And I, whenever I work with Sononga, I'm able to get rid of it. And I have a thing in my core. And I did a Diet МУЗЫКА Sononga. And I, I really felt like I turned into a, to a Jaguar. Oh. Well, these animalistic senses, your extra sensory perceptions, I could hear things like in the next room. Um, my seeing was. I would think I wouldn't even have to pray and sit on my altar and set an intention it was like I would think and all of a sudden it was there like whatever I wanted to manifest it's incredible for manifestation and does it because I'm actually getting fascinated one of my you know sadness is I used to have perfect eyesight forever and then I've been wearing readers now for a while for about 10 years or so and you know the more you wear them the worse your eyes get the more dependent they get and I'm I'm so over it and I can see they degenerate more and more and that's typical with age but God I would love to have my eyesight back and I don't know what's possible I don't know Sonanga you besides all these beautiful spiritual gifts you're talking about which are very attractive I don't even know if it could correct that in the field I can't ever guarantee anything but I would certainly say give it a try use the full bottle until it's finished and see try not to use your your reading glasses if you if you can refrain from it because what happens is it's like training the eyes to become lazier and by not using it and just using the Sonanga it's it's almost like a muscle you have to exercise within your eyes if you can refrain from using your eyeglasses and work with Sonanga I would really I'll give you your money back your eyesight or your money back yeah it's a good deal um cool and as far as combo I've not done combo um how much does it hurt to get burned and then is combo purely a purgative or are there other reasons why people do combo so combo no the burn is like it just happens for like one second and it it doesn't and it leaves it leaves a tiny little scar I have them everywhere you won't really see them they're small and they eventually go away um combo is also a non-psycho active medicine and it helps to clear physical blockages and energetic blockages but combo is really nature's natural vaccines incredible for all sorts of immune issues and diseases cancer arthritis um you know inflammation in the body what happens is when combo enters into the bloodstream the body starts reproducing endogenously so this is telling us a lot about our the chemistry within our own body is that we create the peptides that are also in combo so our body starts creating um like 12 12 is all they've discovered so far I still think that there is a lot of research that can be done on combo I'd love to do documentaries um but our body starts producing naturally 12 different peptides incredible peptides for like anti-aging which is why one of my combo teachers are two combo teachers what my first combo teacher he was like I have older women coming to me just for the combo blow to like fill out their wrinkles that's hilarious okay the new hot thing on the beauty market the new plastic surgery how long does combo last um it really depends on how many points you have I I the approach that I work with the medicine is very slow feminine approach the indigenous way is a bit more masculine and all at once and it's gonna be a bit dangerous I've assisted the indigenous whenever they came over to London um and it was really scary for me to to assist in those ceremonies I have all the profound love and respect but I was really scared chill is you know like people would get up to go to the bathroom because if you have four or five points on you all at once it's like it's a shock to the symptoms so people would get up and then all of a sudden they would go oh wow see them conscious and then like gone um so that was always alarming for me and then when I found I never thought I would be serving combo because I always had like very strong reactions um because it wasn't really served to me in the feminine way and once I received the medicine in the feminine way from my first teacher I was like I had a completely different experience I was like wow I really like I could feel the medicine I could work with it instead of it being so it's such a shock so I applied the points in a in a layered approach very slow we kind of work in waves and really maybe an hour from like the first point that is on you and you are between half an hour or an hour and then you purge naturally you have to purge okay fascinating you mentioned the divine feminine so let's talk about divine feminine healing how does the feminine need to heal um you're embodied obviously in this lifetime in a feminine form and you've experienced everything from abuse to who you've become today so how do we as females need to heal how can we embody that healing beautiful question I even though I'm a woman in physical form I have a lot of masculine energy it's also in my I do something called soul contract reading as well and it's sort of based on cabala and numerology and astrology and within those numbers I have a lot of masculine numbers which gives me a lot of power and force to do all the missions that I'm that I'm doing um and my soul's destiny is actually to come into union which I feel I'm doing a pretty good job now but within the feminine um ways that we can heal really is so through my own journey of what I've experienced is that the feminine has learned whether it's been through programming or what we have seen as examples of women really becoming more masculine than men and it's something I've certainly experienced and my teacher even said to me like you're more masculine than some men that I know it's just that like I have a lot of like powerful energy in my numbers and in my in my journey in my life like my mom raised me really like I've had stepfathers and my my father but they weren't they weren't there and they were abusive so really my mom is the one that has has raised me and because she was doing it alone she had to do it all and there are so many women that I see also my friends who don't who have you know like children where their fathers have left there's so much wounding um carry within there and like bitterness of having to do it all by ourselves because no one there was no masculine around to pick up the pieces or to like hold the space and to hold that container for for the feminine to do the nurturing we've a lot of a lot of us feminine have had to be the masculine and the feminine so I think that this is also what we're seeing with the right if you want to say the rise of the feminine who are leading powerful places and spaces you know like a leader as feminine leaders carrying this masculine and feminine energy I feel that women really whether you're masculine or feminine the best work that we can do is the is inner child work and and forgiveness and forgiveness of the masculine and I was just speaking with someone about this yesterday about forgiveness and that in my experience in life that so you have a situation and you're working on forgiveness someone has wronged you and hurt you and even abused you when like I could take my example of being abused I wouldn't change it for the world it's shaped me into who I am today and has I've I've allowed myself to empower myself from it by facing it head on by forgiving in a verbal conversation the people who have abused me you know like really facing that fear and now I'm able to just naturally by a way of me alchemizing that I help other women transform their own pain and suffering through abuse and that for me is it's like it's one of the greatest gifts to be able to hold a woman in that space and see her transform before my eyes you know where those shackles that bind you are no longer there and quite the opposite there she's empowered but the one thing that I would like to touch on is that in this conversation I was having that when you see it from a higher perspective I was like yes forgiveness is an incredible step but if you want to go a step beyond that when and it's it takes time it's not the immediate thing that happens over time you can see that like okay I forgive this person who has abused me but then when you really see the dynamic of each person who's played their part you actually forgiveness is something that is almost really not even necessary because then it gets transformed into wow thank you for playing the villain or the person like you did you know up here in our soul contracts you agreed to come in to abuse me that's actually love so that I could give myself the opportunity to rise in my grace and learn about forgiveness and compassion and have that fuel my life to then be able to help other women heal and transform that's like the most powerful alchemy you can you can ever harness yes I know exactly what you're talking about you know and I now I understand the connections when you said you do soul contract work because I've oh gosh so long ago I read this amazing book I don't remember the gentleman who wrote it but he was doing work with that and he brought in all these very powerful um it was beyond channeling and mediumship they were extremely gifted so gifted that they could work with a being a person like yourself or myself and go and see what happened when the soul made a choice to incarnate into this life what was the exact precise conversation and with whom about here's what I'm going to need I'm going to need to be blind in this life and I'm going to need to learn XYZ and then this one soul that we've done many lifetimes with and as part of our soul group steps forward and says well I'm going to be you know your your husband who fully accepts you and somebody else another soul steps forward and says yeah I'm going to be somebody who is so bullying to you that you almost have a crisis and you come to a crossroads and have to decide if you know whether strength is and you can get strength from this and I don't want to do that job because that job sucks and it's an ugly character but I love you so much I'm going to do that and so I understand the idea of the villain and it's um but that's a lot of work you know for some of the big um situations it's something I'm working on right now frankly and I'm teeter tottering between the situation and the because you know with forgiveness right the worst thing as if a person doesn't apologize the worst like you really have to do the journey on your own so there's that component and then there's the component of um like you mentioned it earlier but it is like being eagle condor right and being able to see from above the beautiful matrix of a situation and especially as you I can speak for myself as I am seeing myself shift and I am changing spiritually so much stronger so much different different ways of perceiving thinking and as that's happening I am starting to have gratitude and forgiveness and understanding going wow like that that really is amazing that whole experience and I will probably thank you even more in the future but right now some of that is happening but that's that's a big journey you're talking about yeah it totally doesn't happen overnight it maybe sometimes takes years for sure yeah and so when you say that you do the sole contract work all right do you have the ability to actually um go above somebody's soul and be able to see for them or how do you facilitate that this method whatever you're talking about sounds really amazing I'd love to have a session with that the method that I use is so it's taken it was it's a channeled method by Frank Alper and he channeled the soul of Moses and so it combines Coppola astrology some tarot and numerology so we would take your birth name it then gets like numerology so each letter has a vibration which is a frequency and a number and those all get placed around your chart which is in the Merkava so we got the feminine principle and then the masculine principle and then we work around sort of in a spiral on your physical aspects and then your spiritual aspects you have your number placements in physical and spiritual karma then physical and spiritual talents and then physical and spiritual talents gifts and then in the end we arrive at your soul's destiny but it's not like oh your soul's destiny is to be like a world famous radio host it's it's very grounded and practical about um like for me it's because I have so many masculine numbers in my chart it's a challenge for me to really you know be in full alignment with my masculine and feminine energies and that's that's a full like journey you don't learn that from beginning to end but it's great because you you have your karmic aspects are the most like hardcore ones to work through and then your gifts in the middle are like the full chrome points that will help you pivot into your into your evolution of where your soul's destiny is meant to be and then on the subject of black magic entities implants i'm learning that right now in shaman school so that's really interesting doing extractions i don't know what you're doing but what's your experience in the dark arts um how'd you get there how have you been challenged by dark energies in lots of various different ways to my own a lot of weird et experiences um but yeah i would definitely say if we tried in the dark arts from um having a lot of abuse um abusive relationships and the methods that i use so i rec i've recognized within my own life experience that those experiences whether it was i've also had lots of like shamanic wars with and because i'm an energy worker i recognize when something is a cycle of radar in the field you know and then i go in and i check who it's from and it's like oh it's from this person and i've had i won't name names but yeah some fairly well-known shaman who've been sending me um black magic and also other people who are supposed to be in the light um i would definitely say that they're false light workers if if they're sending me black magic you know um so these people when this happens i always share that like it's an initiation someone is sending you black magic and you're here to like really learn and grow from everything in this human experience i've been i've been sending black magic a lot and for a really long time long period really when i started interning into shamanism um and to be honest it's something that for me i sat with like really come on you know it's like gum in my hair i know how to get rid of like it's annoying and it's challenged so low vibration like why can't we just celebrate an uplift one another so in various different methods of training for me i've learned extraction methods whether it's through you use agroflorida and the crystal and you can suck them out i don't like to do this magic anymore um because i'm an energy worker i can really i can just clear them with my hands um and my my intention and i've also like i because i've worked for so many years and also with my energy mentors and my energy energy mentor teachers i have very specific things in my field that i can just buy the power of intention now because it's also like a muscle that i've been using for so long i just have to intend it and then it happens so i've got like a generator in like a backpack back here that sometimes if i go over to people's houses and there's like low vibrational spirits or energies i'll just start yawning or sometimes like if i yawn really like like a hungry hippo whoa what are you doing in the house that's hilarious but i'm grateful for all of those hardcore experiences that they've helped them power me yeah and people don't realize you know if you're just around somebody who's angry with you and throwing anger and resentment at you with childhood whether you're in school whether you're in a relationship with somebody family or otherwise and it's just you know yeah that stuff it not for everybody your luminous energy field can actually repel it it can be that healthy but also for it also at times can get embedded and crystallized so that's one thing and then there's you know fluid dark energies that get entrapped and that can be from any lifetime or this lifetime and you know it's good to have somebody who can do it i my little toolbox i've got a double-sided vogal i've got a excuse me double tipped vogal crystal it's 13 sided and i use that and then of course i clean it and i know i've been trained never to suck it never like don't do that because it's you know you can get so ill from ingesting that and i know a lot of indigenous people who do that and they throw up and you know to get it out of their system but you know when you've got a crystal and you can like you said use your hands use energy i mean energy is everything you can actually locate move shift extract things it has to be done right there's a protocol but when it's done correctly with harm to none and it can be so freeing because i've had many done for me and it's life changing yeah it certainly is and it doesn't i think we've been conditioned to think i don't know whether it's like we've all because we've all seen the exorcist yeah right that's what it's supposed to look like when you're having like an entity removal it's not like it doesn't go down like that for me at all it's actually very peaceful very loving we just release them into the light you know it's like it's not it's not any drama i had a woman wanted to do she wanted me to be on a tv show and i declined because you know tv shows they have to sell drama and it was like the way that she was they were programming it was a lot of drama and i was like i'm sorry i'm up but my work is just not that way it's that's light and it's and it's easy yes it's not it's not all the love light and butterflies for sure it's not light language all right well saundra here we are at the end i've totally enjoyed this people can find you at tribu.com tribu.com tribu spirit tribu spirit.com and the other website is your last name h-y-r-e higher consciousness.com and saundra what are you next dear to dream what are your future dreams and your visions wow i've accomplished so much and this year already and it's not even finished um my next sort of goal is to start working on sound healing courses and that's the baby step and i'm gonna i'm gonna really start um educating and teaching so it's kind of like a shamanic school just really carrying on all the all the knowledge that i that i have i want to time to pass it off now and to share it yeah thank you so much for coming on the show and thank you for the amazing work you do thank you so much sister it's been really a joy so i feel like we we were so deep and in many different dimensions and places that happened yeah like in the blink of an eye and i'm surprised just an hour already thank you so much for all the beautiful work that you do and i'd love to stay in touch and yeah definitely how you do like my my bird my book about the auroras excellent and i can't wait to learn more about that i'm fascinated by that and the auroras and thank you for trusting me and this platform and coming out galactically on this show in such a safe space and to be embraced by this spiritual tribe and they know exactly what you're talking about and that you're one of us so thanks for being the emissary that you are thank you sister lots of love lots of love yes and i end today's show with this quote from gerard arman powell from rythmia i was afraid that after drinking ayahuasca and experiencing death that i would get reckless and careless but the exact opposite happens it appears that death is what gives life its meaning when we do plant medicine and we see love we realize right then and there that love was never apart from us that in fact it was a part of us all disease disorder and addictions stem from the yearning to reunite with one's soul the key to all of your behaviors is hidden in box that you can open using normal tools your subconscious needs a different recipe than the one you've been using subscribe to this number one transformation conversation dare to dream with debbie dashinger if you're listening to the podcast join me on youtube so you can watch us at youtube.com slash 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