 All right, Greg, what do you got? He starts off with a pitch change. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You hear his voice change when he goes, of course, he immediately goes into something I was referred to as sacred space, where he puts his hands together. That gives him distance. That gives him a barrier. And then he mills his fingers and thumbs. That's an adapter to make that space comfortable. It's a powerful tool. However, Joan of Oro says, when you're steepling or have your hands closed and you use your thumbs, you're confident when you don't use your thumbs you're not. So there's no confidence in him when we see this. But he does do the Joan of Oro thumbs up when he says, I was under a different name. Officially, the only two names. Because he thinks he's got it. And he doesn't allow him to get away with it. He just nails him down.