 under one of the tech soup event posters so for this year this is like our first day events that help localizations and people to grow at a personal level so these events are like hosted three times three to four times a year yeah so today we're joined by two speakers who are going to be taking to us about how we could stand our organizations using means our organizations and also we could use with them to like use them for personal branding using digital tools so our first speaker is John Soneka from the most in your name question and another speaker is Shalon Zulu. I won't be able to share my phone for a minute because it's a quick part so I'm just going to like give brief introductions about the two. One of our speakers her name is Shalon Zulu and she's a UI UX designer and she also trains kids in programming and she's also a chapter lead for AC Lusaka and she's also an ICT teacher so um once woke up Shalon you can just woke up my in the chat and then another speaker that we have today is Mr. John Soneka and pretty sure maybe people have seen him around company Zaks branding if I'm correct about that so he's the co-founder of Zaks branding and he's also a product designer um he does product design I mean the same company at Zaks branding they do product design um digital printing and they're also a branding agency so I think most people have seen I mean Zaks around you see like people with laptops they mostly have stickers behind them I'm hoping to also get my sticker Mr. John Soneka that we could give as stickers like people who are part of this meeting today just as supposed to get exposure to your brand but yeah these are two amazing speakers that will be joining us today discussing about organization and branding I don't know if there are any questions from the audience um so we're just going to go and dive in so um I have a question for both of us because this one goes to Shalon first um how do you describe