 A guy goes to Afghanistan for 13 months and his wife gets pregnant and has a new son while he's away for 13 months. He says that's not possible, humans aren't elephants, it's nine months in there. So he files for divorce while he's away, open and shut, he's not going to have to pay child support, it's all going to be fun, right? Not true. It's not true. I want you to explain how this could be possible, how a woman could clearly, he's not mailing sperm to her. No. So how in the world can a man be paying for a child that's clearly not his scientifically? Right. Right. All right. So great question. Yeah. So great question. There's this doctrine called the Lord Mansfield Doctrine. It's from the early 1800s and it's based on old English common law. And what that doctrine said essentially is that unless the man was away on the high seas or otherwise his equipment didn't work, he is presumed to be the father of every child that his wife has while he's married to her. Now at least back in that time, if he was away on the high seas he was essentially had no access to her, right? But now there's been somewhat of a perverted twist to the thing by the states that support the marital presumption of paternity. So even if he is deployed in active combat duty while he's still married to her and everyone knows she's living with the boyfriend and the boyfriend's name got initially placed on the birth certificate, his name will be removed and the husband's name will be put on there. And if the guy doesn't fight this thing like rapidly, fatal mistake a lot of guys do, they'll just walk away and then try to divorce her by through the mail or by default and not take the critical step to get evidence. Still, look, we know you physically weren't here during the gestation period. Women don't gestate like elephants do, right? Not possible. But in those states and country that support the marital presumption, it doesn't matter whether you're in the country, out of the country, you found out she had multiple boyfriends. You said, I'm not touching her with a 10-foot pole. The judge says, according to the law, you are responsible for any children she has while you're still married to her, so order. And that blows the mind of a lot of people. It's patently unfair on its face, right? And what I say to the womanist, feminist supporters, like, you guys should be cheering for the boyfriend to get to take care of his kid. Now, if she was a rational woman, why didn't she divorce her husband? Her actions say she don't love him. Her actions say she doesn't want to be in that relationship. However, she wants to be attached to his resources. A lot of times that guy's been selected, but why? He's a studious. He's hardworking. He's a go-getter. He might not be the Chad or Tyrone who turns her on, right? So how does she do it? She does a good best of both worlds. I like that you did Chad and Tyrone. Yeah. And we both know you're discovering the spectrum here. I am. I am. Melissa, you've been involved in paternity fraud cases. What's some eye-opening cases that you've been involved in? Oh, probably the saddest cases are because, like Carnell is saying, the law is so one-sided when it comes to who is the legal father, is mother would have an affair, boyfriend finds out she's pregnant, boyfriend really wants to be a daddy. But then husband steps in and says, no, I'm the legal father. And having to fight, we can prove that we're the biological father. You can prove that. It may not matter. But see, a lot of this comes down to the politics of your judge, your specific judge. So like most of the judges, I wouldn't let them babysit my dog. There are a couple judges that when these situations come in, I look at the judge and I'm like, we got one of the two good judges in the whole state. We got one of the two. So there was a case where something similar happened, where the judge almost actually played a mediator, kind of pre-tried the case and said, listen, I'm not going to kick this dad out of this child's life. I'm not going to. You can take me to court appeals. You can take me up. But I'm not doing that, where we actually were able to reach agreements. So most of the time, I will say, when a husband finds out that wife is pregnant with someone else's baby, most of the time the husband will be like, their marriage is kind of over anyway. But there are some of those men that will stay and hang on for some reason. I don't know. Maybe the sex is good, but crazy in the bed, crazy in the head. I've yet to see an exception. But some of these men tend to latch on, why I don't know. But the law is so horrible when it comes to that. And I just want to switch gears real quick. We look at, you know, some people are saying, hey, the divorce rates are going down. This is a good thing. No. Okay? The marriage rates are going down. The marriage rates are going down as well. So there's less divorce rates. But it doesn't necessarily mean that less babies are being born. So I had a case, of course, this woman gets pregnant, dad comes in, hey, I want to be a dad. The first thing I tell them, and Carnell can tell you this, you want to sign the appeal to the father registry or the responsible father registry. So in Alabama, you know, it was funny because I had a case and I was talking to this guy who, this other attorney, and I'm just bashing. I'm like, who wrote this piece of shit legislation? Some dipshit wrote this, like I'm having a very candid conversation, okay? It was him. And he said, he was laughing. He said, actually, I wrote it and I said, wow. Well it still stands. You're the dipshit. But so it's called the pants up doctrine. As soon as a man pulls his pants up, he knows that there's a chance that he could be this child's father. He needs to get on the registry and say, hey, I just signed this registry with the state of Alabama saying, I so and so slept with so and so, if she has a child, I might be this child's father. I said, well, that doesn't make any sense, right? Why isn't there a panties up doctrine, right? And these women lay on their backs with their legs wide open, sleeping with God knows who. Shouldn't they be the ones to have to report and say, you know, I slept with so and so on this? Wouldn't it be so much easier for the state to figure that out? She knows who's on the list. She knows. She knows better than anybody else. Absolutely. Who this baby's father should be or could be. But why do we put the responsibility on men? Why? Because it's socially acceptable to say, that man can't keep his dick in his pants. But is it socially acceptable to say, this woman lays on her back with her legs wide open for a man that walks through her door? It kind of makes you cringe a little bit to say that, right? But you know what? But I could, right, it makes you cringe. But it's no different than saying a man can't keep his dick in his pants. But why can I say it and not carnell? Why can I say it and not Jeff? Somebody needs to say it. So I'll say it. It makes you cringe, but it's the truth, right? So you look at these babies being born out of wedlock, and these men will come in, bless the heart, and they say, like, I have this baby being born. This is my son. I'm like, you have to understand that this child is no more your son than he's my son. You are no more this child's father than the chair sitting in that corner right there because the law won't acknowledge it. So then you have to go through this huge process of establishing paternity before the court will even consider giving you any time with this child. It's a long process. It's a very long process, an expensive process. How many dads didn't get to see their children over COVID because, well, we're not scheduling hearings because of COVID. So I mean, family court, it's a show. It's a shit show. It's what kind of court it is. You want to do everything you can to stay out of it, right? So casual sex, irresponsible sex, unprotected sex. It's dangerous to you as men. Absolutely. It's dangerous. Jeff, what do people not understand about parental custody of children? After a breakup in a relationship or divorce, what do they not understand? You're a smart guy, especially for Eastern Orthodox, you're doing all right. And, you know, we all have salt in our past, but you've done well for yourself, but you still found yourself in a situation where you don't have access to your son. How did that happen from a legal standpoint? What can people learn from about custody from your situation? So you've heard about this paternity fraud issue. And once you can accept that the courts will do this.