 Hey, it's time for voiceover body shop and we got a why it's calling it a doubleheader tonight George because we've got two guests Actually because we have an interview with our good friend J. Michael Collins Coming up first and then for the rest of the show We're gonna do a session with our good friend Mark Cashman talking about how to take direction Excellent, I think this is gonna help a lot of people. All right It is one of the hardest things to do as an actor is to actually take what's being given to you and Turning it around so right and we could yeah really help because we have to self-direct most of the time in voiceover But it's good to learn from a good director and that's what we're gonna do with mark cashman All sorts of great stuff coming up on voiceover body shop right this second From the outer reaches they came Bearing the knowledge of what it takes to properly record your voice over audio and Together from the center of the VO universe. They bring it to you now George Wittem the engineer to the VO stars a Virginia Tech grad with the skills to build set up and maintain The professional video studios of the biggest names in VO today and you Dan Leonard the voiceover home studio master a professional voice down with the knowledge and experience to help you create a professional-sounding home VO studio and Each week they allow you into their world bringing you talks with the biggest names in the voice of a world today Letting you ask your questions and giving you the latest information to make the most of your voice over business Welcome to voice over body shop Voice over body shop is brought to you by voice over essentials calm home of Harlan Hogan signature products Source elements remote studio connections for everyone voice actor websites calm where your VO website Is it a pain in the butt? VO heroes calm become a hero to your clients with a word-winning voice over training JMC demos when quality matters and Voice over extra your daily resource for VO success and now Live to drive from their super secret clubhouse and studio in Sherman Oaks, California Here are the guys Hey there, I'm Dan Leonard and I'm George Wittem and this is voice over body shop or a VO Bs Well, I don't know about you George I think somebody has actually literally taken Tuesday Wednesday and Thursday off of the calendar Because it's Friday. It's Saturday. It's Sunday. It's Monday, and then suddenly it's Friday again What we're in those other days go and it's sure I look at my calendar for the week I'm like everything's already full already. I know it's it's yeah, we're we're both holding a pretty thick schedule and Grateful to have that position to be able to work that much right now But it is it is intense when I'm booking clients in August right now, it's kind of makes my mind blow I mean, we're only five days from August, but still it's like what? What is going on? It was just New Year's Anyway Alrighty, well, we've got a great show for you tonight because a little later on Mark Cashman will be here And we're gonna run through some scripts and talk about how you take direction but there's a big conference coming up in August and Our good friend J. Michael Collins is running the whole thing. So because he's in Europe this morning You know before I'm like, you know having a couple cup of coffee We had a chance to sit down and talk with with JMC. So here it is right here And it's time to talk to our guest for this section of the show J. Michael Collins joining us all the way from Europe. How you doing? I'm hanging in there, man. How are you doing? We're doing the best we can with what we got Amen. Anyway, sounds like you've been a very very busy person in the last six to seven months It's been an interesting ride and you know, I I think some people have heard me say this already But I had that gut check in March I think all of us had when for me it was one of the sports leagues shut down and I Turned to Anna and I said just the first time in my 25-year career that I don't feel like I can see the chess board and I don't know what's gonna happen and Had a little pity party panic attack over the weekend too much vodka and came back Monday and decided to Grab the bull by the horns and make the best of whatever would come and been surprised that At least the areas that I tend to play in have been pretty steady and even seeing a bit of growth in certain fields. So I know not everybody's Had the same we've been blessed and Want to continue to try and help people find their path to as much prosperity as possible in a really challenging time Yeah, lots of demos going out there right now aren't there? Well, we're doing a fair number. Yeah I think you know, it's always a balance of trying to make sure we only take on the people who who are ready But the demand is kind of silly at the moment. We got about a four to six week Okay Not gonna complain So You're involved with with the one the one voice virtual conference Now this started in the UK didn't it right then it started of course as a live conference for the first two years and then this year because of COVID we moved it online for the UK version and based on on that which was I Think you know scratched a really Relevant itch at that time because other conferences had been forced to cancel due to the virus And everybody was still sort of in the middle of lockdown and There was just the need for the community to reconnect It was beyond what we expected in terms of attendance and and success and then very well received and so After sitting there and taking a look at it because of the content was so UK folk We decided you know what let's let's do one of these for the US market and I put together a wish list of presenters Which I fully expected at least 20 or 30 percent of them to say no I'm not going to do it Sorry not available and we actually got everybody we asked to come on board. So We're thrilled to be offering this to to the US market. I think it's In terms of the lineup that we've got You know, I know I can be prone to hyperbole sometimes But uh, I I really don't I don't think I've ever seen a lineup that that is this Deep interesting and and diverse across both genres and perspectives of presenters and I just think it's going to be a tremendous value and of course the people who are Attending this conference will also get access to the three Previous UK conferences and no extra charge as well. So we think that's a pretty good deal. That's great. So what's your involvement with this? So as a lot of people know, I'm the US representative and part owner for gravy for the brain And gravy for the brain is the organization that runs the UK conference and the now the US conference and so I Had more or less the lead role in putting the lineup together And and and assembling the speakers and of course, I'll be presenting as well I've got a couple of breakout sessions on international markets in vo and also How to compete in a changing market. I'll hope be hosting a few panels as well the agents panel and the online casting panel And will otherwise be visible in the various Social rooms and chat rooms that we'll have going on Which is a cool little feature that we've got where we have these socials going on that we shuffle groups of five six seven eight ten people In a room and you get to meet mingle with uh, it's totally random We don't it's it's an algorithm that just kind of drops you seven or eight or ten people And in a particular social room and it changes every 15 minutes or so So it's a cool way to meet folks and get to know each other and start conversations And i'll be pinging around those as well among among other things over the weekend Yeah, no our virtual conferences are all the rage this year. So since Not much choice in that right? Yeah. Yeah, there's not a whole lot of choice. So, uh I mean, how is this going to work? I mean, I've I mean, I remember you and I were you know, worked on on voice over virtual many years ago Right many many years ago. I'm sure the technology has improved greatly since then Well, I think john did a great job with what he had putting that together And being the the first one out there what we have is a platform called re attendance Which is a proprietary? online conference hosting platform Owned by the ownership of gravy for the brain and uh, I have to say I when when um, When they went virtual on the uk one My first reaction was Okay You know, what is this going to be? It's a virtual conference. Okay, I'll play because I'm part of the team Um, but I didn't expect much from it to be honest with you because they the virtual attempts have been clunky before and I Expected very much the same and it's not without the occasional glitch But I was shocked as to how smooth the process and the experience was and um You know, for those of you who don't know you and peter over in the uk. Um, they're smart guys and uh And they understand tech At a level that I don't you probably do And uh, you know, and they um, they managed to pull this thing off in a way that was so seamless that It really blew my mind and it it kind of changed my perspective on Not just being a part of virtual conferences But sponsoring them and and you know and really being on board with the idea I hope we go back to live and in person in 2021 I hope as soon as there's a vaccine that that we never see a virtual conference again Um, because I like people. I'm a big old golden retriever and I just want to hug folks but Same with me because The first day of any conference is always the best because it's how are you and there's lots of It's the social element But you know, we're trying to simulate that as much as possible in in the current circumstance And I think again, it's just an it's an outlet that helps people do two things number one Is it does scratch that itch to socialize with your fellow vo's and to be a part of the community? Which we we feel more isolated now than we ever have In an industry that had has become more and more connected over the past few years in particular And it's also an educational opportunity at a time where the market is shifting Faster than ever where some genres are red hot and others that were great are not And a lot of that is tied to the the circumstances that we're living in and What we've done is assembled a group of people that I think are going to give The attendees the knowledge that they need to navigate these really genuinely uncharted waters and Hopefully continue to prosper How's this going to work? I mean you're saying it's got you've got this great platform But how does it actually that the notes and bolts of how it works, but how's it going to work for? You know, how do you navigate it? At the end of the day, it's it's much like a regular in-person conference would be in the sense that we've got Multiple sessions going on at the same time in basically multiple virtual rooms So attendees will have the option to move from session to session If they so choose They'll have the option to select which ones they want to go to we have some workshops like many of the conferences Do that are capped at a certain number some of those are free and some of those are Paid workshops which are three hours long with one presenter on a particular subject that are capped to a much smaller group of people But for the general sessions you can kind of flip in and out as you as you please and And it's really just like being in a classic conference where you can you can go to this session at this time or You know you get in 20 minutes and you want to go see something else you can check out and go see that It it works essentially the same way. It's just it's just virtual and no one will see you leave the room No one will see you leave the room. That's right You won't be that guy Yeah, who's uh, who's gonna be there any any top names that you people oh, I I I don't know You know, you might have heard of terra strong Who's pretty much the queen of all things animation and video games? pat brady animation Agent for CESD. We wanted to really And I think this is important. We wanted to really have a focus on With the exception of certain staples. I mean we've got Joseph Riano We've got Dave Walsh. We've got Celia Siegel We've got a handful of those people that in and ganguza that We we just have to bring them because they're amazing and they offer value every time they come But we wanted to try and bring you as many people as possible Who you just don't see on the circuit all that often? And so terra is one of our keynotes Porsche Scott from coast to coast talent The head of voiceover is our other keynote from the agency side So what we wanted to do is one keynote from the performance side one keynote from the agency side So you can see it from both ends Again, the agent lineup for this one Porsche is amazing pat brady from CESD trish ryan from dpn Lisa risto from impressive talent You know, it's it's a tremendous group of people sharing knowledge about how to gain representation how to navigate uncharted waters We've got christian lands christian has never shown up to Anything other than sova's um, he doesn't show up to conferences He's the voice of puss and boots. He's the voice of one of the leads in Elena Vavilor He's the host of the live announce voice for various Emmy ceremonies. I mean the guy is an absolute legend And we were able to coax him out very carefully To come to this one. Um, so we're thrilled to have christian there. Uh, joe zeeja You know joe joe's a guy who again, he just doesn't come to a whole lot of stuff But he's one of the leading video game. Uh, and there's quite a lot of animation work voices out there as well we've got uh one apata one of the top Latinx talents in the business uh coming to present melissa disney everett oliver Eliza jane schneider harry olson Karen gilfrey christina melizia. I could go on and on as you well know Somebody oh, there's there. Well, there's this guy with this mustache too And he's he's um You know, we he's one of those ringers that you know We we try and bring in from time to time just to just to kind of keep him happy and to keep you know It's like feeding the the lion and the cage But no no dan we are we're thrilled to have you join us to be our tech wizard and to talk about nobs Audio setup from studios because you are you know when I refer people for for tech solutions You're always top of the list and there's a reason I appreciate then it's always fun talking to the people you work with So how do you sign up for this conference? One voice conference.com that's simple You can see everything that's going on there and you can purchase either a weekend pass you can purchase day passes For the friday and saturday which are two core days so you can also purchase the individual workshops The individual workshops that are paid you do not have to be a conference attendee to sign up for those They are almost sold out. I think scott bricks is if not sold out. It's already pretty close And we've got I think between the eight or nine different workshops. We've got 10 total spots remaining so Get on that if you're interested But one voice conference.com is the place to go Well jmc it is always a pleasure to see you even though you are far far away come visit it In a land far far away Back to the continent the continent I I I I miss you guys. I mean I I have you you know how much I usually fly. I haven't flapped my wings since january and they're starting to get a little flabbier than usual So I need to Farmers in Maine are like It's a whole depression in that industry just because i'm not over there, so Okay, mike thanks for joining us on voiceover body shop and telling us about this i'm looking forward to it Thanks, dan. I appreciate it Well always enjoyable to talk to mike because he's got interesting stuff to say and uh, but this one voice over one voice Conference should be very interesting. I get to present You know george, we don't get to present at all of them together I mean sometimes you do one sometimes I do one I know sometimes as well. We get one with them. We got the one we don't need both We got one that's right kind of thing right but I I can't wait till we can all get together Again for real which I think is is really important But in the meantime, we've got to do it virtually Uh, and as we continue to do this show virtually, uh, we've got a great guest coming up Mark Cashman will be with us in just a couple of minutes and we're going to go through Directing copy and how to take direction. So stay tuned for that coming up right now on voiceover body shop after this You're watching v obs dot tv. I don't know why it's crazy what they do here I think i'm going to go somewhere else and have a cheese sandwich Well, hello there I bet you weren't expecting to hear some big voiced announcer guy on your new orientation training for snapchat. Were you stick around? You don't want to miss this Power 1039 at target. We want you to come as you are be comfortable Okay, maybe not bathrobe comfortable Pants for the customer on aisle four, please Stado in la cámara de representantes Watch anywhere anytime on an unlimited number of devices Sign in with your netflix account to watch instantly at netflix.com the ice cream maker is a big risk that can have huge reward Until you forget to turn it on Well, that's it guys Time is up. Hey, it's jmc. Thanks for watching the voiceover body shop If you're demo ready or looking to get there check out jmc demos dot com and see a sample of our work Now let's get back to dan and george and this week's tech wisdom What question do we get most often? Far and away It's how do I even get started in voiceover and we have a great answer to that question Take the vo heroes dot com free getting started in vo course You heard right It's free and it's available online 24 7 at getting started in vo dot com That's getting started in vo dot com If you've been watching v obs and thinking that you need to get in gear and start your own voiceover career This is the course you should start with You'll learn about the vocal skills you need the storytelling skills you need the equipment you need the business skills you need And the mindset you need to have all in one single comprehensive online course taught by vo heroes David h. Lawrence the 17th This course won the backstage readers choice award four years in a row and again, there's no charge It's absolutely free Want to take it? Of course you do getting started in vo dot com. That's getting started in vo dot com So our good friend harlin hogan is on vacation in main. Isn't it gorgeous? Anyway, he wanted me to tell you that he hasn't missed doing any work while he's on vacation Hanging out on somebody's yacht because he's got he is port-a-booth with him. This is a great unit It makes it easy for you to travel on the road and it's easy to take apart and put together All you have to do is zip it up or unzip it in this particular case And it all just folds up into a nice neat carrying case The port-a-booth plus Plus the port-a-booth pro which you see right here the port-a-booth pro the bigger model is 369 99 The plus 199 99 and the bag is on sale for 49 95, but you can get it in a combo for 248 95 go over to voiceover essentials dot com right now And get your port-a-booth plus or pro. This is ariana rattner and you're listening to voiceover body shop v obs dot tv Hey, and we are back here on voiceover body shop And uh, again great talking to jmc and But we have more fun to come up right now because joining us here in our little virtual studio is our good friend mark kashman mark welcome Thank you so much for having me gentlemen, and I do use that term loosely. Alrighty. Yes It goes both ways Anyway, especially when we get those calls at midnight like the cleaning lady did something to something in my studio Yes, yes, you'll never forget that I I called about that I called Dan about that years ago and and he's never let me live it down but that's right Fortunately since then I haven't touched anything and nor has anyone else because we put a giant piece of duct tape over everything Don't touch anything. Don't So anyway, uh, you are author of the book vo Which which I have read many times plus. I had heard all the stories before I even got a chance to read it Uh, it loaded with lots of anecdotes about how to do voiceover What you do when you coach people is you're you're a director Your directing is something that we all have to do. Self-direction is very very difficult. Uh, but When we get the opportunity to work with somebody else you have to be directed And and what does voiceover directing involve as opposed to somebody on the set saying okay action Oh my goodness, where do I start? Well at the very beginning Yeah, I'll start at the beginning and as they say in voice in in audiobooks They started the beginning and then go to the very end but but basically When I'm directing somebody It depends upon the situation if I'm directing somebody in a session I haven't worked with them before I'm coming in as a director. They're coming in as a talent I'm producing a particular spot. Let's just say but I've never worked with them before I'm not expecting to do any Instruction I'm just expecting to do direction I'm not there to instruct them. I'm not there to teach them anything I'm there to get the spot done and get it done great and come out with something better than what we went in with and work with people on a collaborative basis But my expectations are very simple. I'm expecting them to be professional. I'm expecting them to understand the script I'm expecting them to understand the story. I'm expecting them to know what is going on Now part of it's already done because they wouldn't be in front of me if they didn't win the audition Good boy. They already went through the audition. They were picked chosen and now they're in the session They were chosen for a reason that out of all the people who auditioned that person was the best Considered the best deemed the best So I know at least going in that I'm expecting to work with somebody who's totally prefer totally knows this script unless the script has been changed drastically in the last 24 hours or Which does which does happens. Oh, it happens. There's no question about it But but we'll given the situation that Again, I'm working with somebody who has won the audition ready to go And so therefore I'm expecting to work with somebody who is first of all going to be listening not just to me but to themselves to That is going to at least have a sense of timing and pacing That they based their audition on as well Commercial copies the only copy that's timed. It's the only copy. It's time to the second if we're working with commercials If we're working with narration don't have to worry audio books don't have to worry animation video game Don't have to worry about that. Only commercials. Do we have to worry about time? So then Obviously, what am I working with? I'm working with somebody who is going to get the job done quickly I will know at the end of the first take whether or not this session is going to be long or short I don't know within 30 or 60 seconds I'll be able to turn to my engineer and say oh, this is going to be a short session. We're going to We're going to be great or Hold your don't don't make any lunch plans right now. We're going to be here for a while So that yeah, go ahead go ahead. That's it. That's it. Now if I'm directing in a class Then it's a combination of directing directing and instruction. It's both they both go hat in hand And so I will direct students differently than I'll direct professionals only in the sense That when I'm directing a professional in a professional setting, that's again just direction But the same direction that I give a professional in an actual session is the exact same direction I'll give a student because When they go into a session I want them to know what to expect right So when you when you get a script when say you the director get a script and it's been cast and you're looking at What's your process before you get to work with the actual talent? Well, I have to be as familiar with the story as the talent In fact, I'm usually more familiar with the story because I'm usually working with the creative director or the copywriter Or whoever it is who created the spot because they're looking at me They want they're asking me for help with casting for Acting for timing, etc. Etc. So they'll say they'll you know, they'll say can you eyeball this and let me know Is it okay? Is it good? Etc. Etc. If they're good writers Then they'll when they come to me, it's a collaborative process so that any suggestions I give them will will work and vice versa So so we'll look at timing I'll say you got a couple of seconds to add lib if you want on this particular thing and and um and and then The most important thing if whether it's a monologue dialogue, triologue, whatever you want to call it The most important thing that I do in the first Take or two is just listen I want to listen to well, I've again either the agency has picked the talent So I'm going to listen to the talent how they deliver how they phrase things how they breathe all those things because I want Them I want to bring them. They're the star of the show My job is to bring that talent out and to make that message resonate With listeners. That's my job. I'm a facilitator. I do not get in the way So I always want to I always look at every project that I've worked on as a collaborative one I'm working with the engineer I'm working with the talent I'm working with the client. I'm working with the copywriter. I'm working with everybody To so that we come out with something better Than what we went in with that's my overall production Vision right so when I get a script I mean when you book a gig which is always a thrill and it's always great getting an email from somebody. I actually book something fabulous You know and they send you the copy which has probably been rewritten since you auditioned for it It's like this is totally different and you look at it and you get an idea in your head How you want to do it and then you go into a session and the director is like Taking it off in another direction and it just totally throws you off. Yeah How how does one prepare? Knowing that they're going to be directed. Oh, well, that's that's that's what an actor is supposed to do An actor is supposed to know how to change dance steps in mid beat To be able that's exactly right. That's exactly right. This is a choreograph. You're basically doing what I call vocal choreography All right, but the bottom line is very very simple An actor is supposed to act and take direction. That's what actors do All right, okay Yeah, so we come at it in a certain way. We make choices as all actors do we make a choice Just again, just imagine all these actors who come in and do on camera forget off camera on camera They go in they make a choice and the director says to them, you know I think you got this all back ass words. I want you to come at it from this way Now any actor who is not malleable enough to go. Oh, okay, and be able to roll with that He's in the wrong business Absolutely that it comes down to that that really is what it comes all comes down to if you're not ready to do a 180 like that You're in the wrong business. No question about it. Now quickly. What about audiobooks? Because I know you direct audiobooks. How is that a little bit different in how you do that Well, yeah, because first of all, you just it's just a different sensibility and and and you know, again a 30 second spot versus at the 300 page audiobook You have to have the patience of a saint and and and you have to you know, put it set aside 20 or 30 hours to You know to to to do that An audiobook director is more than just a director an audiobook director is an actual researcher So if you're hired to direct an audiobook You're also hired to research that audiobook and come up with an entire list of all the proper pronunciations of every single word That needs pronunciation In that book So that will take you one or two days to prep Before you even go into direct So so anybody who who says oh, I'd love to direct audiobooks. That sounds like fun Please understand what it comes with What comes with the territory and that is research Going online looking. I mean, it's just a ton of online research But we're talking about hours and hours of research to prep the talent If you're directing them Then you have to be have the manuscript in front of you and you have to go You have to listen to that manuscript every single word of that manuscript and follow along with that talent And if they make a mistake punch in fix that move on And keep track of all and record all the sessions and For the day and it's It's it's a big job. It's a very it's a it's very involved All right, now you and I have done this many many times Yeah, whenever you come on the show we we go through some scripts and stuff What I what I really want you to do is really push me on on this We've got two scripts here now people can't see them I mean, I could I suppose I could share my screen here Maybe our director suit to get it on there, but I don't think it's really necessary. You've got two scripts here I if you can if you can get that pdf up on the screen and do a screen share. Yeah If you got that on your if you've got that on your computer if you want to do a screen share We could uh, we're not going to do that Uh, so Anyway, just saying if you can yeah, well, but the thing is is this is a an auditory medium So let's let's let them hear the subtle difference. Absolutely. Absolutely. But of course seeing it would be Next time we'll we'll we'll plan for next time It's always good to see the copy too and see the direction. Right. Of course you always say, you know, lift the words Off the page. There's no question about it. That's for you the talent you the performer But for people who are listening in it's always much more of an educational experience when you've got that script And you can see what you as a talent are doing with the words on the page. That's What the point is but that's okay. All right, you can we'll yeah, okay Where do we go first? Which one do you want me to do here? We've got one here for Be a good be a good one. Let's look at the golf Smith. Let's do golf golf. Okay. All right So so the direction on this Says golf Smith male 35 to 55 Okay, so okay, you're so you're a little over the the the edge of it there, but that's okay You you still sound like you're a good hail 55 The only problem a little problematic, but then again, it's acting they want likable somebody likable Right. So you're gonna really have to act there Dan conversational Not arrogant again. You're gonna really have to act And and and in and introspective. Okay. All right. It says so again male 35 to 55 likable conversational not arrogant and introspective That's the direction It's a 40 second spot 40 40 right. So obviously they got a 20 second tag. We're not seeing right All right, but it's about 40 seconds. All right. And we're not about it's 40. It says 40 colon 40 If it says 40, that's what you're that's your target time. Yeah, all right. So let's take a look. Let's jump into this All right. Well, just read through it once so you can hear what it is There's also sound effects that go in here, but we'll yeah are those Unless you want to add them be mr. Foley over there, but you know, no, okay Thank you as millennials say. Yeah, no, okay All right. So all right. So this here. Here you are. Here it is. So here it is Okay, this is called golf Smith. We'll call this golf Smith one. Let's jump jump in us. Okay Looks like you and golf are getting along If this swing was your last swing on earth people would write songs about it No more swinging that telephone pole. You called a driver. No, sir. Everything fits Oh, man. Look at Gary. He's so tick that you're good And the boss man is impressed You feel better you play better, but you don't think too hard because you're about to kill it Not yet Hold on to the follow through Great What's the point of doing it if you don't straight up rocket? Now you can smirk You should probably just quit your job and do this like All the time Very nice my friend. Very nice. Good first take on this one, Dan 42 Easy. So you're in the pocket. You're in the pocket. So you shave off two seconds off your next read All right. Good. Good. All right. So overall I want to I just want to talk to you about I want you to make just a couple of adjustments on a couple of minor things but overall I love your smile. I love your smile. You're smiling through this. It means you're having a good time Your smile is the promise of a good experience. That's what you got here And that's what you gave it there And you don't have to be a cowboy to say it looks like you and golfer getting along You don't have to be a cowboy to drop the g on getting You could have done it at the end towards what's the point of doing it all doing it all not doing it all Down toward the bottom. You see it down the bottom. I see it right doing it all we can drop the g on doing right We're not going to drop the g that we can even drop the The g on swinging no more swinging that telephone pole, which you did you drop the g say say you don't have to be a cowboy to drop your g is All right But certain things we're not going to hear Certain things we're not going to be dropping the g on depending upon what it is But in this particular case it works. So that worked really well Play through it says and the boss man is impressed and on the page. It has a hyphen between m And press they put a hyphen they hyphenated a word that doesn't really have a hyphen It's not a line break, but they put the hyphen in there anyway You understood what that was that's the writer saying break up that word Impressed impressed that's a deliberate thing the writer did you honored what the writer wrote. Thank you You're welcome But you dropped a couple of words the writer wrote and and so I just want you to put him in you said what's the point of doing it instead of doing it all You dropped the word all If you don't just straight up rocky you dropped the word just Just put it back in there At the end you should probably just quit your job and do this like all the time Hit all for me But hit all as opposed to time mark your copy mark your copy according Are you or do you have you are you on a? You're on a screen. I'm on a screen, but I can do that Okay, all right. I know how are you on a tablet where you can annotate? Uh, I can't Okay, as long as you can mark your copy. That's the most important thing if you can't mark your copy you can't Navigate through the copy your marks are navigational marks Just like when you take out a boat on the water speedboat motorboat You can only go where those navigational buoys are if you don't if you go past the buoys, you're going to founder the boat Same thing with marking your copy if you don't follow your marks you're going to founder yourself These marks are navigational marks What's the point of doing it all if you don't just straight up rock it now you can smirk you could You should probably just quit your job. You should probably just quit your job. You should probably Not probably We're not an aerodite English professor You should probably just quit your job and do this like all the time. Let's relax relax probably Whenever you're doing kind of first person type of a thing We relax probably Corporate probably Talking to yourself probably probably Okay, right exactly. That's how we talk right now That's oh Midway through through the way down hold on the follow through see that line hold on the follow through Yep Yeah, what are you doing? Ah, see what you just did with your hands. That's exactly what I want you to do with your hands I want you to do with that with your hands. Hold on the follow through No, no stretch that word out stretch that word out stretch out hold add extra Hold hold hold no hold means don't go hold means get ready hold means get it up there That's whether you're addressing the ball right there. Hold on the follow through get extra L's in there I call it taffy pulling taffy pulling you're stretching out a word Stretching out a word just adding extra L's in there hold on the follow through Got it Right, okay Those are the little things those are the tiny things so the tiny things that I need you to do Now I need you to do a big thing The big thing is I need you to look at the direction. What's the last word of the direction? What's it say? introspective What does that mean? It means you're sort of talking to yourself Sort of it means you are talking to yourself and you talk to yourself out loud all the time Occasionally No, no, you don't you really don't sometimes you do sometimes you do sometimes you say what the heck am I doing? You know you just do but most of the time most of the time when we talk to ourselves We don't talk to ourselves out loud because if we do people are going to think we're off our meds When we talk to ourselves we talk to ourselves quietly quietly we talk to ourselves the voice in our head This is the voice in your head. That's what I want to talk to you about now Dan and I were talking about what are we going to talk about tonight and I said we're going to talk about Projection we're going to talk about volume When we speak when we speak when we use our natural voices with david larns 17 calls our core natural voice Or sometimes people refer to your signature voice It's the voice that you don't even have to think about it's the voice you speak to your wife Your spouse your friends your kids if you have any your neighbors your friends if you have any your clients if you have any That's the voice you have that's the voice you speak. This is my 100% voice Dan was speaking in his 100% voice. George is speaking in his Our natural voice our core natural voice is our 100% voice. We don't even have to think about that But there are certain times during the day when we use different parts of our voice when we use different fractions of our voice I want to go through those fractions real quick. Here's the first one. The first one's what I call the 10% voice The 10% voice is a whisper never hear a whisper You never hear a whisper on radio, but the next step up is what I call the 25% voice That's the stage whisper The stage whisper Dan you're ready to go out on stage. You're ready to go out on stage. I'm standing in the wings behind you and I say Dan don't go out there. There's toilet paper on your shoe What stage stage whisper, okay? You have a backyard, right? You have a backyard. Imagine looking out the backyard and seeing a little disney tableau You got a deer a bunny a rabbit a squirrel a skunk and And a bird and they're all having a little convention out there and you call your wife over and go Look, there's a disney seen out here Stage whisper 25% Next step up is what I call the 50% voice the 50% voice is the talking to yourself voice The talking to yourself voice is very very quiet. It's the voice inside your head It's the voice. You don't want anybody to hear. It's the voice. You don't want anyone to hear It's a voice that's barely audible. You can still hear me. You can still hear my voice This is the Elmer Fudd be very very quiet voice Be very very quiet. This is the voice the under subtext is don't wake the baby Don't wake the baby. You could stand over a baby's crib and have a conversation with somebody Standing right over them and not wake the baby. Do you hear how quiet my voice is? This is 50% voice. This is the voice inside your head This is the voice the angel and the devil on your shoulder dan do it dan do it No, dad. Don't do it. Dan do it. Really do it dad. No, dad. Don't do it. Don't do it at all This is the voice in mind your head Okay, this is the voice of the 50% voice the 50% voice Your wife sends you to the store with a list of stuff to get you're going to walk down the aisle Are you going and you can't read something and you say are you going to walk down the aisle and say Okay, let me see bread eggs milk. What does this say? No, because then you're going to hear crazy person on aisle five Right. So so you you're so that list you're going to walk you're going to talk to yourself And say what does this say bread milk? What I can't even read this now You're mumbling you're mumbling to yourself. You're talking to yourself somebody six feet behind you Here's you mumbling But they can't hear what you're saying because this is the voice you don't want anybody to hear This is your private thoughts Don't let anyone hear your thoughts. This is you're talking to yourself voice now 50% Okay, this is my 50% voice This is my 100% voice So what's in between? Ah There's something in between it's called the 75% voice what I call the 75% voice and that is The intimate voice and there's something in between. So here's the 75% voice. You're going to help me do it. So Dan pre 2020 bc Before COVID all right. So we're going to shake hands. Let's shake hands Let's shake hands shake my hand shake my hand. Good. Nice to meet you Dan. Nice to meet you too. How you doing pleasure meeting Now Dan, there's five feet between us your hands extended You're keep that hand going come on keep that hand up there your hands extended my hands extended We got five feet between us Our voice my voice is covering that five feet. Your voice is covering that five feet. This is your 100% voice right now Now let's come in for a hug Right. So now come in come in come in come in come in. Okay come in there we go So now I'm holding your right hand with your right hand. My left hand is behind your back Your left hand is behind my back. We got a hug. This is a hug This is my hug voice right here Dan Dan This is a good hug Dan. Yeah, I'm so glad I can hug you now. Oh, this is a good hug Now if you don't mind Dan, let's let's step back and shake Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Nice to see you again. How you doing? All right. This is so this is your 100% voice come in for a hug come in for a hug come in for a hug And this is your 75% voice Okay, your intimate voice. I'm going to give you another analogy very simple You wake up in the morning next to your wife Your wife is only a foot or so away from you in bed Are you going to wake up in the morning and look at her and go I had a great time last night No, you're going to jump out a bit. Okay You're going to look at her and say I had a great time last night I had a really great time last night. You're only you're right next to each other This is your intimate voice. You're 75% voice And it's not a whisper and it's not a whisper. No, there's there's no projection with a whisper There's no projection with a whisper get inside your head get inside your head. Here we go You're you're you're dressing the ball. You're standing at the tee. You're thinking to yourself You're looking at your boss. You're looking at your co-worker gary Don't let him hear what you're thinking. Don't let him hear what you're thinking They'll only see you smirk Dan. They'll only see you smirk Go ahead and dress that ball now. Think out loud. Here we go. And we'll call this golf Smith, too Well, it looks like you and golfer getting along If this swing was your last swing on earth people would write songs about it No more swinging that telephone. Paul. You called a driver. No, sir. Everything fits Oh, man, look at Gary. He's so tick that you're good And the boss man is impressed you feel better you play better But don't think too hard because you're about to kill it Not yet Hold on the follow through great What's the point in doing it all if you don't just straight up rock it Now you can spark You should probably just quit your job and do this like all the time You thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And I came out to just Forty-fourty-and-a-half. Absolutely. So we got a little loud that that one place I said We just got a little loud. Okay, but overall overall you got that talking to yourself voice, right? Absolutely Not every spot you do Needs to be your 100% voice. Look at bf. Goodrich. Look at bf. Goodrich. Let's look at bf. Goodrich The direction says on bf. Goodrich male or female good energy That's all it says good energy All right. All right. That's all that's all it says good energy. Let's try one Let's jump into this and we're going to call this a bf. Goodrich one That's the actual sound of a bf. Goodrich g-force tires setting another new record for street tire performance And this is the sound Of happy customers who just found out that if you buy a set of the world's hottest street tires You get $50 off an alignment That'll help your tires last longer and your vehicle tracks straight as a laser So get a great deal on the world's hottest street tires bf. Goodrich g-force tires Don't put it off. You know what mom said about procrastination Beautiful nice nice great first take on this one dam really really nice on timelines 32 We need to shave off three bring it in 29 We don't need to take the beats for the sound effects. It's going to be underneath All right All right, so to get in stuff get in touch with your interstop watch shave off three seconds Well, that's another thing you asked me at the beginning. What what what am I expecting? I'm expecting the the talent to be have an interstop watch That's what I'm expecting. So when I tell a talent that was 32 and a half We need to be a 29 and a half You've got to shave off three seconds on the next take or at least get close to it Then I'll know if you're in touch with your interstop watch, right? And you've actually got less than 30 seconds because there's probably a good exactly right Three seconds of of no, no, it's gonna be all underneath. It's gonna be all underneath They're gonna fly this stuff all underneath virtually They may have maybe a half second established with the car with the sound effects up at the top And that's what I want to talk to you about The sound effects up at the top. Dan. What'd you say car burning rubber? Well, where are you? Where are you? Do you have any idea where you are dodging some street rally? No, no seriously. Well, yeah, but seriously in this spot in this storage, you know where you are Are you in the car? Doesn't say you're in the car Do you have any idea where you are you don't know where you are It's where it doesn't really clear. It's not clear where it is car burning rubber And then it says it says gf vf Goodrich is setting another new record for street tire performance And then we got our cheering. We have a whole stadium. Where are we? Oh, oh, oh, we're at a racetrack. We're at a racetrack. Absolutely. We're at a racetrack Who are you in the story? I'm someone in the stands watching No, yeah, someone stands watching. How could you be watching? You're telling a story about bf Goodrich How could you be watching this that doesn't make sense? Of course it does. No, uh Dan, yeah, do you know who you are in this story? Do you know who you are? Uh, I'm gonna I really don't you don't that's okay Most people don't they have no idea You know, this is the one of the things that I really recently did a workout session Listen to a whole bunch of auditions on the wow workout and the one thing that I kept hearing over and over again Two things I kept hearing over and over again. One is people reading Not acting just reading words and two people having absolutely no F in clues to where they were Or who they were so that so basically It's amazing. I'm still hearing so much what I call voiceover as opposed to voice acting So we're gonna get into acting here. Let's find out where you are. You're at a racetrack But you know who you are. You don't know who you are You're you're you're the what we'll call the on-air talent You are a reporter from the local radio or tv station You are on the scene with a microphone. You could be there live with a microphone You could be a microphone in a camera in front of your face. You are live at the scene. Here we are That's the actual sound of bf goodrich g force tires in the background. Do you hear that sound? Well, now we're not using our regular voice. We're not using our full regular 100 voice We're using our 125 percent voice because we've got to be heard over the din of two things The car squealing the rubbers burning in the chair in the crowd screaming All right So we go now from our 75 percent voice our intimate voice or I mean our 50 percent voice our thinking ourselves voice Now we're going to project into the next room now. We got to project over the din of the noise behind us George you're watching the levels Yeah, man. Well, I got so much processing on that Yeah, all right. Yeah, I'm streaming everybody Absolutely, absolutely. All right. Okay. So we got our sound effects coming out And you're gonna be doing you're gonna be talking over the din of this of all this noise You have to be at 125 right from the get go. Alrighty. Here we go. We're gonna call this bf goodrich 2 all right That's the actual sound of bf goodrich g-force tires setting another record for street tire performance And this is the sound of happy customers who just found out that if you buy a set of the world's hottest street tires You get $50 off an alignment that'll help your tires last longer And your vehicle tracks straight as a laser So get a great deal on the world's hottest street tires bf goodrich g-force tires Don't put it off. You know what mom said about procrastination There you go and time wise we came out to 28 and a half So you went from 32 and a half to 28 and a half meaning you got an extra second to play with All right, so now I want you to do me one more give me one more dan All right, I want you to take that gruffness out of your voice If you can I want you to take that texture out of your voice and just give me a just a smoother younger dan That's the actual sound of bf goodrich g-force tire setting another new record put the word new back in Another new record for street tire performance. Let's just get a little younger a little clearer. All right, here we go And we're going to call this take three That's the actual sound of bf goodrich g-force tires setting another new record for street tire performance I got to stop you the only reason i'm going to stop you is two things first of all You're not going to be able to sustain that kind of energy all the way through Right from the beginning if you start too high dan, you got nowhere to go but down You're going to be exhausted by the time you get to the end of that spot if you start right there All right and build up to it my friend build up to it Don't forget the word first word is italicized. I'm not hearing you nail that first word I'm not hearing you emphasize that first word. What are we with the only two words? They're only two words that are italicized. What are they that's And this that and this so whenever you see a word that's treated. Don't forget lean on it Hold on to it. That's what the writer wants you to do honor what the writer said That's the actual sound of bf goodrich hold on to it Hold on to it and this is the sound of okay. All right. Okay. We got we got time for one more take here So that's it and we're going to do it and we're going to call this take four That's the actual sound of bf goodrich g-force now Now we're going to do take five because you're not talking over the din of the cars I didn't hear you talk over the din of the cars That's the actual sound of bf goodrich, but stay in your mid-range stay in your mid-range. All right Give you give you some room to move six That's the actual sound of bf goodrich g-force tires setting another new record for a street tire tire performance And this is the sound of happy customers Who just found out that if you buy a set of the world's hottest street tires You get $50 off an alignment that'll help your tires last longer and your vehicle tracks straight as a laser So get a great deal on the world's hottest street tires bf goodrich g-force tires Don't put it off. You know what mom said about procrastination Very nice my friend and 28 and change as well. Good. You're in the ballpark. You did great. All right Mark great. Yeah mark. That's that's volume That's projection just to understand that everything you do not everything you do is just your normal voice If only the story absolutely if only I could get hired for those types of spots if only we saw more of those Anyway marks, thanks so much for joining us tonight and pleasure and for for going over this and hopefully people get something out of it And yeah, we'll take it into their next session based on the chat room. They are People are like this is huge. They were really happy to hear you outstanding. Great. That's great You know, and this is basically this is what I do with with my students all around the world Um, uh, again, I concentrate on voice acting not voice over and and and basically Anybody who wants to take their voice acting to the next level or understand the difference just between voice over and voice acting I always say voice over to me is 2.9 financing for 60 months on all vehicles in stock There's no acting involved in that right But if you want to be an actor if you want to if you want to call yourself a voice actor then Learn how to act Outstanding mark. How can people get a hold of you if they would like to learn how to do this? Oh my god from the master There's just so I mean if you google my name, there's like it's it's it's an embarrassing amount of information that comes up there. So um cashman commercials is my website cashman commercials.com and You can find me on any platform if you just google my name and you You'll be able to find me. You'll be able my mark at cashman commercials.com. I'm a rc I'm the easiest person in the world to find other than you and jorge Absolutely mark. Thanks for being with us Thank you for inviting me mr. Wittem. Thank you for inviting me and and thank you for decondimizing your I Know what you made is the pop screen filter is the pop screen filter. I wish I invented the pop screen filter I could retire on the royalties the pop screen filter. It's all up here pop screen doesn't prevent plosives doesn't prevent popping Anybody thinks that is this is absolutely nuts. It's a useless piece of equipment You could use it as a fly swatter or something pop screen. Do you see one here? No, you know No, because you understand how to properly position a microphone and what's really interesting is unfortunately, uh, mr. Collins That this huge thing that's pop screen thing in front of them. That's that's his thing. Anyway, I know I know I know But I always say, you know line of sight line of sight line of sight. All right Mark take care. My pleasure. Thank you gentlemen so much. I really appreciate it. Stay well Stay safe. Stay sane and when you can stay home. All right. All right. We'll be right back and wrap things up right after this Hi, this is bill farmer and you are watching voiceover body shop. It's great As a voice talent, you have to have a website But what a hassle getting someone to do it for you and when they finally do a breaker don't look right on mobile devices They're not built for marketing and seo. They're expensive You have limited or no control and it takes forever to get one built and go live So what's the best way to get you online in no time? Go to voice actor websites.com like our name implies voice actor websites.com just does websites for voice actors We believe in creating fast mobile friendly responsive highly functional designs that are easy to read and easy to use You have full control no need to hire someone every time you want to make a change And our upfront pricing means you know exactly what your costs are ahead of time You can get your voice over website going for as little as 700 dollars So if you watch your voice actor website without the hassle of complexity and dealing with too many options Go to voicehactor websites.com where your vo website shouldn't be a pain in the you know what Your dynamic voiceover career requires extra resources to keep moving ahead Now there's one place where you can explore everything the voiceover industry has to offer that place is voiceover extra.com Whether you're just exploring a voiceover career or a seasoned veteran ready to reach that next professional level Stay in touch with market trends coaching products and services while avoiding scams and other pitfalls Voiceover extra has hundreds of articles free resources and training that will save you time and help you succeed Learn from the most respected talents coaches and industry insiders when you join the online sessions Bringing you the most current information on topics like audiobooks Auditioning casting home studio setup and equipment marketing performance techniques and much more It's time to hit your one stop daily resource for voiceover success Sign up for a free subscription to newsletters and reports and get 14 bonus reports on how to ace the voiceover audition It's all here at voiceover extra.com. That's voice over x t r a dot com Everybody this is the time of the show where we get to thank one of our long time sponsors That's source elements The creators of source connect source connect now source live source this source that they have so many so many products It's amazing But the one that you really want to be concerned with and probably have already heard about at this point is source connect Which is a way to connect your studio to other studios all around the globe Uh with audio high quality audio not the audio in your voice conferencing Software not that stuff. This is studio quality audio that they can record from their studio Real time and capture you exactly the way you sound into your microphone. That's what studios crave That's what engineers require. That's what they want and this source connect software is The preeminent way to do it. They've been perfecting this software. It's been in use In production for over 15 years at this point And trust me if you don't have it by now get yourself a 15 day free trial Just head over to source dash elements calm and get that trial set up and running And get get going so you know how to use it when the time comes that they ask if you have source connect Does that mean you have to buy it right now? No, not necessarily but be ready There's some setup involved if you want to learn how to do it There's also a little a little page on my website at georgev.tech sc to to learn how to get source connect up and running, but we appreciate their support You better have it in your toolbox It's gonna be one of those things that shows that you are a voice acting professional I'll be right back right after this and we'll wrap up the show This is anthony mendez. You're watching voiceover body shop Talking about what you know Okay, here we go. All right We are back here on voiceover body shop and thanks to mark cashman for another great session Uh with voiceover and it looks like everybody really enjoyed that So get a hold of mark if you want coaching with him. So anyway next week on this show, we've got tech talk number 38 38 which we're gonna do in just a couple of minutes. So stay tuned for that. Uh, and uh We got donors people who are donating to our show because they love the kind of content we're giving them And who are our donors of the week? Yes, we got donors. Um, michelle blinker christopher epperson. That's a new name ellipse of peer. Yeah, it is Uh tray speaks for you tray moseley. Shelly avilino dominic carlos natasha marshuka brian page and mr. George A wittom like that Yes, uh and patty two more three more the line three more. All right. Miss the other line Also, there's patty gibbons diana birdsall. Who's was watching the show tonight? And stephanie sutherland So thank you one and all and just a clarification on on natasha Marchafka Marchafka man every week. I say that wrong. That's okay. And and it's noted by miss marchefka She deserves Red correctly as a donor ready show. I think so. All right. Well, yes We also need to thank our amazing sponsors who bring you all this great content like harlan hogan's voiceover essentials voiceover extra source elements vo heroes dot com voice actor websites dot com And j mc demos our thanks to jeff holman in the chat room tonight and our facebook Our tremendous technical directors sumer lino who does it without even being here. It's like magic and leave Thank you. So you're yeah, and lee penny simply for being lee penny Well, that's gonna do it for us this week. Stay tuned for tech talk If you got questions send them in It's not an easy business there's a lot to learn but we're here to help you out So be here every week. I'm dan lennard. I'm george woodham. And this is voiceover Body shop or vo bs