 G'day, May 40 here outside the Sydney Opera House listening to Richard Spencer talk to philosopher David Skirbina the entire Roman side and maybe get to the bi-limit of the basic Jewish goodness maybe that will serve two or three purposes I can guess that kind of thing was maybe going on it's such a sketch of theology and all the details of you know don't come till later so Polly there didn't know or some pain and suffering and you're carrying your cross with Jesus and you're suffering like him so this world is a nasty, ugly, suffering place I mean you're supposed to be a creature OK, so it's not just a highly destructive view of life it has some upsides and downsides like everything else so telling people the next world will be much, much better that's going to act as an opiate that's going to reduce pain in this life but it comes at a price that it makes this life less important so people are likely to be less passionate about this life if they believe the next life is more important than this life that's also a very easy drug to sell I can't imagine if people were at the Sydney Opera House on Sydney Harbour looking out at the beautiful Sydney Harbour Bridge seeing all these happy, healthy people kind of imagine that they'd primarily be looking forward to the next life rather than this life I think the more miserable you are the more you're going to look forward to the next life the happier you are, the more you want to make something of this life that's only an aspect of Christianity, right? that's the Hellenic Mystery Court aspect of Christianity to reject this world there are also this worldly affirmations of Christianity the afterlife is for losers and porters God forbid, God forbid and the chat says on 24 years old I have no friends, no future, no job skills it's time that I confront reality yes and you're already doing that, mate I've got great news for you, you're already confronting reality by what you just spelled out if that's accurate, then you are well on the way towards embracing reality and therefore making progress to succeed in this world so Christianity acts right now as a natalist movement but you'll find plenty of things in the tradition alright, that is anti-natalist against having kids so it varies it's complicated and Medi-Hitt says there's no tide to fight against in Sydney and Australia's had fairly rigorous immigration policies and so we don't have high rates of crime it's the best place in the world to be an average bloke so life is pretty good but life isn't just theory you've got a theory that brings people together then it's already on its path to being natalist you bring men and women together they're going to copulate and have kids they're going to form bonds and build families so it's about 68 degrees and sunny it's Friday afternoon it is 3.15pm in Australia so here the philosopher is concentrating on the words and the theory but words and theory are not necessarily the things that are most determinative philosophers love words, academics love words there's no November here but there is still no not November even though it's gorgeous there's still a no not November guys speaking as the no-fat maximalist yeah but that's just the words and the words don't mean nothing but they're not necessarily determinative there are things more important than words such as the effects of words well somehow Christianity survived for 2,000 years because it has been substantially natalist despite these anti-natalist parts in its theory and scriptures yeah, none verbal cues hold more power than barbs thrown in chat rooms so words only count for about 10% of communication what's much more important is the emotional state the body language the context words are only a minor part of communication okay, Christianity was not some Jewish conspiracy to undermine the pagan masses and get them not to have kids this idea of not having kids and that sex is bad, you shouldn't even have sex with your spouse that's very not Jewish you'll find 1,000 texts against it in Judaism now it's not a benefit to the Jewish power structure Christianity, despite those aspects of its theory is being natalist from the beginning otherwise it would not have survived those sects of Christianity that are anti-natalist have died out just as you would expect as happening today as well because I do think that Christianity the impulse of Christianity is an impulse that you can see in a variety of different movements and I am fully on board with you in terms of conservation of the natural world not being sent you can also see some really toxic drops of poison placed in that you can find people who will do these confessional videos on TikTok or YouTube get that on some level to be fair but this highly intelligent, thoughtful, open-minded person is kind of exactly the type of person that we would want to reproduce the people living in abject poverty in a favela are not going to hear the warnings of global warming they're just going to go through people who are so concerned about global warming those socially aware people are the types you want to reproduce so we're in a disgenic spiral because people who are the most socially aware and the most intelligent and the most educated they're the ones who are least likely to reproduce and those who are the least thinking those who are the least contemplative they're the ones most likely to reproduce so how do we encourage the better sorts to reproduce and discourage right? those who we don't want to reproduce they're bad character traits this is the magnificent Sydney Opera House doesn't it just make you cabal? it's so beautiful Friday afternoon in the city Paul Logan used to work on that bridge, mate okay, look at these beautiful seats look at that lovely golden hue let's get back to conversation with philosopher David Skrobina I understand it but so there is a kind of radical disgenic poison that you can see that comes in these it comes in these left wing I'm using the word left loosely here I work on the streets at night where there are bars and clubs only a little bit I've only done that accidentally so I've kind of reverted to my 56 year old self I'm sure there are obnoxious tourists I haven't encountered any I haven't encountered any obnoxiousness am I heading to King's Cross later? no, I'm not heading to King's Cross later mate I'm heading to shore later like a holy Jew and you can just see someone almost in real time who might have had very good instincts kind of naturally get poisoned I could even go further in terms of the transgender issue and so on, I mean these are whatever else you want to say about them they are radically anti-natalist visions of the world yes, they are right, and I think it comes from Hellenic Mystery Court Religion yeah, there's probably some organized crime in Sydney, but not very much and it's much better to have organized crime than disorganized crime that one is unorganized crime so organized crime only kills people who are in the game so there used to be Jewish mob boss Abe Saffron I think was perhaps headquartered in King's Cross we actually have an effect on the population even in a fairly small way yes, there is a doubt it's not at all clear that the planet is massively overpopulated by humans I think we can handle 8 billion it's the 8 billion humans so this philosopher David Skrobina he wrote for he ran for office for the Green Party man, I wish they'd turned down that music blaring in the background Abe Saffron sounds like a character in an Evelyn Warren novel so just one F, I believe in Saffron I think he may have been Jewish 8 billion people organized criminals tend to have gang truces in each other's territories that's random shootings yeah clean city no trash, no graffiti Jim Bowden says there are only two Middle Eastern gangs in Sydney alright, we're getting off light so this guy, David Skrobina yeah, the stream went down for 15 seconds but this guy speaking of philosopher David Skrobina he wrote for the he ran for office for the Green Party he's also an active member of BDS Boycott de Vest Sanction Israel and he works at a university in Michigan and he says that 90% of the Arab students support BDS every large family say if you want people they will say I would have one child or two children but understandably, I'm not casting judgment they want to have sex so it just seems like there could be some kind of reasonable solution to that to enjoy life, sex is a part of life and to enjoy life but not to create situations that they can certainly sustain and the world can sustain okay, well let's go back to Christian so was it Paul who developed the innovation of bringing the Jewish message to the Gentiles was that kind of his major innovation in fact he says that explicitly he used the apostle to the Gentiles he took that on himself he said the most confident, the most capable I know those Gentiles, I can speak their language I know what motivates them yeah, so prior to Paul the Jesus movement was entirely aimed at the Jews Jim says that Ape Saffron, going back to the 1950s, 60s, maybe the 70s was the most powerful organized crime gangster in Australia we'll pitch this message to them so he took that on and that was kind of what he said so yeah, the apostle Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles prior to Paul, Jesus movement was entirely aimed at the Jews then Paul came along so Ape Saffron ran King's Cross which is like the vice was the vice capital of Sydney and Australia used to have very strict censorship anti-pornography laws there were a lot of Jewish lawyers and publishers who managed to open up Australia's free speech laws and legalized pornography and that really got going in 1969 with Port Noise Complaint so Port Noise Complaint was initially banned in Australia and then some Jewish lawyers got involved and they managed to legalize literature like Port Noise Complaint and that led to the legalization of pornography in general so Jews led the way opening up sexual expression in King's Cross and Ape Saffron was the king of vice in King's Cross King's Cross was the vice capital of Australia yeah, it's a very popular message to tell people they can live forever that's your primary concern your individual salvation Christianity does that better than anyone I mean obviously the first Christians were Jews but why did it fail? Where's there another story? Did it just fail? Why did it fail with the Jews because there's so much the antithesis of the Jewish tradition that God cannot become man you don't get individual eternal salvation just by believing some things. Individual salvation is not the focus in Judaism, it's more community oriented and it's more this worldly oriented than the next worldly and the following is a heavily pagan Hellenic mystery court religion with a Jewish loss yeah, it didn't fail, we're just a part of Jews Jews, well then any other people were the most resistant to the claims of Christianity because Jews were the most likely to know the Jewish text that he read the Bible and recognized that Christianity was not a compliment to this text Yeah, the Jews were like Donald Trump, their war heroes didn't get captured like what kind of people glorify war heroes are only heroic for getting captured that's not the Jewish perspective Jewish heroes make a difference in this world if you don't make a difference in this world you're not a Jewish hero yeah, when you don't follow anything when you don't succeed with anything that was predicted that the Messiah would accomplish, you're 0 for 50, then Jews aren't going to buy in so no, it's not a matter of I think Christianity is bunk I'm sure Christianity is a valid road to God for many people it's one hero system among thousands of hero systems and having a hero system is an absolute biological necessity you can't live without a hero system so Christianity works for many people and I'm trying to do a live stream here I have to play music in the background yeah, so the anti-Jewish passages in the New Testament take place in the context of intra-Jewish disputes without Christianity there'd be no 12 steps 12 step movement comes very much out of American Protestant Christianity so when I found myself back in churches in Protestant churches getting to 12 step meetings over the past 11 years how the hell did my life turn out this way I never thought I'd have to enter a church again thought I completely left that behind but my life goes full circle getting up at Protestant churches going to 12 step meetings so Jews have low murder rates Jews don't tend to commit a lot of violent crime but they do tend to be verbally violent so Mark was the first gospel written around year 70 and Matthew was written about 5-10 years later Mark Matthew and then John was written around year 110 of the Common Era so so I've been talking with my 12 step sponsors but believing God really necessarily does nothing it's your experience with God many of my sponsors and I we believed in God when we were still participating in our ridiculous addictions and where we started to get recovery was when we got some kind of visceral experience of God and the way that I get that primarily is by listening to 12 step talks and attending 12 step meetings other people may get it through prayer there's all the world of difference in a practical sense between believing in God and having an experience of God having a visceral connection with God by getting wired up to God like if you got a power source and you don't plug into it just believing in the power source doesn't do anything for you so I found 12 step tremendously helpful learning to plug into the power source yeah God is a verb there's a whole theology about God as a verb so even people who are religious lead far more secular lives than 100 years ago because we increasingly turn to science and to non-religious explanations of reality around us we work in an economy that's not regulated by religion our world steadily becomes more more neoliberal more economically efficient and less and less enchantment and magic in the world around us we couldn't actually even tell you the most basic story of the religion that they follow is actually pretty remarkable there has been a kind of dumbing down if we're kind of moving out of a middle class society so what are your thoughts of these things moving forward because at least from my view there seems to be a lot of countervailing movements out of this secular post-modern world a really strong fundamentalism arising out of that so I don't see any way to reverse the steady decline in the power of religion I just don't see how that can be reversed in the western world I just don't see how the western world industrialized societies become more religious in the years ahead we now have the first secular societies in Europe Protestant countries secularized before Roman Catholic ones because Protestantism has been refined to being more a matter of the heart than of practice Catholicism retains rituals so it retains some more elements of magic and mystery the northern European countries Scandinavian countries is the first overwhelmingly secular societies in human history and that hasn't been followed by a massive moral decline either it used to be inconceivable how will a society survive if it's not religious, if it's not God fearing it seems to go on pretty much as it did before bye bye