 something I refer to as personal extinction in the interrogation room, I could see it. Like Chase has got a box in his chest. It's got four items in it, I'm making up a number. And each of those things is precious to Chase. Well, if I get them out and I start going, there's one, now it's got three, right? As I get to that last one, guess what happens? To do, to do, to do, that guy will do anything. He'll dance for me to protect that last thing. This guy's down to his last paper. There's a reason for that one, great. If we took it out of context, we said, hey, he's blinking, he must be lying. Well, they're asking him the hardest questions period. They're asking anything sexual occur underage. Well, that's a threat. And they're asking him about the age of this guy at that time. Those are the threat questions. You expect a person to ramp up during threat questions. Marion Corinch and Jim McCormick coined a phrase called contingency thinking. And what that means is I prepare certain pieces of material for the risk that this might occur. But if you take into account personal extinction, you take into account contingency thinking and you take into account the most stressful questions you ask, we see something different.