 I'm Tyce, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Lauren, so this is how it normally works. It's not about proving that you're wrong about anything, because I can learn from this too. It's just giving you a chance to think about something that you can strongly believe about. I'm guessing, Lauren, how do you spell that? L-A-U-R-E-N. Perfect how you spell that, nice. Not like L-Y-A-H-T-U. No, my parents weren't that cool. Are you an atheist? I am. You know how people talk about that? Sure. Why are you an atheist? I don't believe there's sufficient evidence for- Oh man, you're almost like this guy. You're almost like this guy. Keep going, keep going. Yeah, I don't believe there's sufficient evidence for me to believe in a God or a deity. What will convince you that there was a God or a deity? I would need like concrete proof. Okay, so you just need more proof? Yeah. Um, if I gave you the proof and you had it, would you be more likely to believe in a God? Absolutely. Okay, well yeah, that's basically it. Okay, it sounds like you're an atheist for reasonable reasons, you just want more evidence. Um, what's something you think atheists should do better? As, like, all atheists? As a group, because I'm also an atheist. Okay. What do you think we could do better? Um... What's the main thing you think we should do better? I don't know, um, don't be giving me, um, I don't know, outreach? Um, actually reaching people, um, that are trying to escape religion? Oh, that are already trying to escape religions. So don't, so don't necessarily, we, it's not so much that we need to, it's not like we're lacking in belief or lacking in the effort to convince people that this is a good position to have. Right. It's more of like, for the people who are trying to get out or locked in a bad situation. Right. Because some people don't want to leave a church because they have the community or their family has been in church for however long and they don't really know what it's like on the outside. And they're also, I mean, fundamentalist cults basically. Yeah, so like, anonymous secular groups that they could be a part of? Should I just make it a comfort zone before they can make the step out of that? What's a good example? Do you have any good examples? Or do you have a good way of implementing that? I mean, I think recovering from religion is a good one. Okay, from religion? There's like anonymous Facebook groups too that I like. That's true. Yeah. Facebook, I think. Yeah, we have a closed group. If you need that face to face though, there's Discord channels that you could use, I recommend Discord. But what would work for you if you were trying to escape from religion? And you just said, I should see a talk to somebody who will keep that secret. I don't know. Yeah, that's what we do. Because I've never, because I've never been in that situation. Like, I mean, I was religious at one point, but it was never like, I don't know, my family wasn't like super crazy religious. Like it wasn't a cult type thing. Sure. I don't know, it would kind of just be chance, wouldn't it though? Yeah, I'm fine with, I don't know, as an answer until we get like more information. Yeah, I don't know. How about this? If we ever meet again, or if you feel like you want to contact me about this, if we can talk about that some more. I'd be really interested in recommending paths for people who are in that kind of situation. And since you guys are like, you know, so well-debt from like American atheists, maybe there's like a good outlet for people who like want to anonymously just let themselves talk to an atheist. Right? Like, is there a group of atheists that can talk to you? Do I have to just figure out if we're on the same track? Yeah, I'd be great. I have to like Discord channels. Yeah, yeah, I was just like, hey. Yeah. You want to talk to a bunch of atheists? Yeah. Cool? You know. Right? We can work with that. Are you going to start at this for now? Yeah, why not? Something to talk about? Yeah. Let me know. You already got a channel at Discord. We can make some extra links. Yeah, definitely. For street personality and just hope these questions. Okay, cool. I really appreciate this talk, Gord. Thank you. Yeah, that's all. That's your out. Yeah, it's time. It's fun. Yeah.