 The Morning Brew with Hunter Drew. We're going to start the work week outright. Joining me today is, as you can see, President Drew Anthony, how you doing, man? Doing pretty good, man. Yeah. Happy to be on the show. Good to be back on my favorite morning shows in the atmosphere, right up there with the daybreak show from George Bruno. It, that man is, I'm chasing them. That guy, he set the, uh, he set the standard, you know, the guys are chasing after. So we're going to talk about the future today. You know, we deal a lot with being in the moment, you know, making sure you're immersed in each moment, time to time, you know, your life, soak it all in, cause life is short, blah, blah, blah. Nah, let's talk about where we're going. Let's talk about, Hey, when you're driving, you're looking down the road, right? So let's look down the road. Let's look at the horizon, not just as, you know, you've had a lot going on. You know, you, you literally, everyone is talking about you. I want to talk with you about where you are going, you know, and a lot of people get caught up in, all right, this is Monday. And Monday sucks, you know, and they, and I've kind of been chewing on this. That's why I really want to talk to you about it. People are always caught in like how their, their life sucks right now. And this is garbage. And they can't, everybody, it could be great though, or I could help myself. I started changing today and going down there. So kind of like diving into, let's just start with this question. What fuels you to keep on going day after day, obstacle after obstacle, success after success, you know, some people have success and then they stop cause like, Oh, I'm content. And what is it that keeps you going forward at all? I mean, the basic level would just be my own self, like, and that, and not just some, you know, platitude, but I really try to help, I really try and do, I'm successful holding myself accountable. And I do that because I've been working on my own business and for myself for, you know, 13 years now, and it's been full time for about since 2010, early 2010, so about nine years now. So the, their self accountability I've built, and I don't have a magic, I don't have a magic wand for doing that other than, you know, I used to not have a business. I was 17. I started this business. I started at it, kept at it year after year. And that has, you know, snowballed into the skills and the attitudes that I have to overcome whatever challenges come my way. This year in particular has been pretty wild. It was always going to be wild. Three events is a big deal. The last time we did that was 2012. That's the only other time we've ever done that. And that was a big deal too. That was three continents. The company was smaller and younger than and leaner, but it was still three events on, you know, in America, Europe and Australia. It was a big fucking deal. This year has been similar. We've had, you know, two events. We're going to have another second event here in America this year. We also have the one in Poland. So that's a big fucking deal. And then of course, you know, taking on some of the top former top speakers of the convention like that, head to head. That's been a whole battle in itself. Now, do you, do you find it? Well, hold on. Do you find yourself in the day to day always working? Like, is there ever like some off time for you? Cause I'm just thinking the internet is always on. You know, they're always going and it's easy to get like 24 seven sucked in. Let's go business go like, how do you dial that shit back today? It's a no day. Like today's day record is chill. Well, last night I was telling you before the show had a little wine day lesson of this chicken bumble. And we actually got to talking about this at one point because I was like, yeah, it's been working like fucking 18 hours a day. And then it was like, no, but now I'm not now, even on the way there isn't my phone's fucking doing shit, checking emails, sending shit off. Uh, like actually important shit for graphic design and the event coming up and shit. And I'm like literally in an Uber. Like I just had like a shot of Jim before I left going to get wine with this chick. It's like eight, eight, 30 a night or some shit. So I do, I do, uh, I do think it's important to take time for yourself to take care of yourself in any way that you can. Uh, in my case, even in this close to an event, I will still try to go out at least once a week and be social, literally go out and meet women. Or in this case, go on a date. Um, simple stuff like that helps a lot on top of daily, uh, you know, activities that I try to keep up with one that I do every day as I fucking walk every single day. So I break from my work pattern, no matter how much I'm working. If I'm going to work eight hours in a day of five hours, fucking 15 hours, I'll do that. And I've taken a day off this close to an event is not something that happens very often. So that's kind of out the window. We need the close to a conference this size, but I'll still take time, you know, in my mind to calm the fuck down, slow the fuck down and, you know, focus on myself, take care of myself and that's being social. That's going for walks every day. That's meditating that can be spoken tobacco out of a pipe, uh, you know, George Bruno style, CBD, CBD is something I've been trying lately too. I know that people got into that craze like a little while ago in the hemisphere, but he's selling CBD oil and shit. Meanwhile, I'm the snake, all salesman, right? I was pushing the CBD. I think it does. I think it's cool. Yeah. Um, another one I've gone to, by the way, like CBD to, uh, you know, calm down and, you know, improve work is a healthy ending. That's something I started earlier this year as a supplement and get off Amazon or supplement stores and stuff like that. But for your question, it is important to take care of yourself, uh, no matter how you're doing that and that's, you know, all these kind of activities and working and stuff like that. Uh, I don't know if we're the same in this or if we're, I think we're actually different on this point. There was a point, there was a moment in time where I was just stressed the fuck out from just running everything, doing the job, leading the kids, coaching, leading the wife, doing all that to where I was, I was close to just saying like, it's, it's fuck this shit o'clock, like I'm out. I don't want to do this anymore. You know, this is just shit. I could just have a, like I see my friends and they're just, it's just normal lives and they're good dudes. You know, when we say like masculine men, you know, leaders of families, these guys are that, but they don't know a damn thing about the internet. And it's kind of, we, we sometimes get caught up in like how, like, oh, everybody knows about us. Everybody knows about 21 convention. There were millions who don't, there are millions of eyes who have no clue the family alpha exists. They're, my entire town doesn't know the family alpha exists and I'm in this town every single day. So, and I see these people living these normal lives and doing this thing. And I'm like, man, like, I was almost envious. I'm like, I like, look at like, you're not worried about anything right now. You were just so content going to work, coming home, doing your thing. And I was like, that's pretty cool. But like, I, I don't have that. Like there's something in here. So I almost like just tapped out and said, fuck it. I, I know this feeling well. I've dealt with this feeling and I've seen this feeling. So I didn't know if you had ever gone through that, you know, yeah, I do it a million times. I've, yeah, there's a lot of, there's things I do in my life. There's, I would say my life is compartmentalized in certain ways. And a lot of people just don't know about it. And that's why I think coming on the show and talking to you is kind of good sometimes. And one of the things that I don't talk about very much in the atmosphere or anywhere is entrepreneurship. And maybe at some point I should, but something that I've been so focused on doing and being in, that it doesn't even occur to me to talk about it very often or very much at all. So I know the feeling well. I know looking around you, anybody who's not, I mean, you're, you're interesting because you're like me. Now you're doing entrepreneurship full time and you're running, you know, the family out for you to turn to excellence, everything you're doing. That's a big deal. You left your job to do that now. But on top of that, you're stacking that with leading family, which I'm not doing. So I can imagine the responsibility load you have in your shoulders. In my case, though, the business I have is older, larger and has like this huge legacy of complexity and all this stuff. So I do, I do feel you what you're saying on that and most people don't have that, you know, the vast majority of people that I interact with to and like, you know, day to day life, they don't, they have like nine or five jobs or something similar to that. And they have, and if they've never run a business, which most people haven't, they have absolutely no idea how much responsibility it is. And it's high level stuff. And I know Steve Jobs is fun of saying that, you know, no matter how much money you make as an entrepreneur, I'm like loosely quoting him on this, you'll never be rewarded financially for proportionally to the effort you put out to be an entrepreneur. You have to find other ways to reward yourself for doing it, to find the rewards for doing it. In my case, it's connecting the speakers like you. I mean, you guys are, you know, like the fathers I never had, you're closer my age is a little bit different. But you know, building this company, I've built in the convention, built in the conference, building the red mag group, built in the studio and stuff. It's been, it's been life changing for me. And it's absolutely like saved my life and improved it dramatically. I think that's something people don't get to see about you, you know, and that's, that's kind of like why I like our conversations is we will have this chat, but nobody will ever see it. Nobody will ever hear it. So all they see is, you know, square away businessman, like this, this guy, it's, there's not a robot there. There's a man. So that's why, you know, even sometimes myself, I'm like, how do I don't know how you do it? You know, because like I've hit these walls, but it's not that you don't do it. It's just that you, like you said, you compartmentalize it when it's time to work. It's time to work, you know. Yeah. And the, you know, as I age, you know, this will probably change like my life as I've aged. I've definitely fucking changed those shit. And so is the business along with me and people have seen that, especially the guys in watching it for a long time. We used to focus pretty much on pickup and a little bit of health and fitness that eventually, of course, morphed over the years of the convention into, you know, more health and fitness, more entrepreneurship things, more self defense things like we're seeing again now, like a resurgence in the convention, bringing in Navy SEALs and shit like that. Or even Joe Navarro back in 2017, the FBI agent with Body Language. That was, yeah, I know. Yeah. Even Ross Jeffries back then was like stunned. I got Joe Navarro to speak. He was like, how did you do that? I was like, I'm the speaker seducer. When, when these guys show up, you know, we go to these conventions and, and maybe this is something of, I guess, age. So I'm looking back from the things I've seen from early on when you started out, it was just getting laid, getting paid, you know, having a good time. And now, and there's things you can take from that, you can take a skill set of like, here's how you approach. And instead of like shaking and being nervous, it's also developing a sense of confidence of like, oh, I know what I'm doing. This is just a human being woman, just a female. It's not something like God, I'm approaching, you know, they kind of use, you guys are stripping away that complex. And these guys were more confident and they're like, cool, I can walk, even if they get rejected. You shared something recently about how many approaches you've had and cold approaches and rejections and things like that. I've fucked up so many times and most guys have, yeah, I suppose another thing I don't talk about. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. People don't see that. Yeah, I do. I've been rejected and done by, you know, literally thousands of women to my face as well on the internet. I mean, you fucking know how many on top of that. That's a lot smaller scale. That's very instantaneous and a lot less personal, but it's still, you know, still some there. But yeah, I mean, it's nuts. And then on the top of that, not just a rejection, some of it too, I would self-adject, you know, not every girl you approach is a girl you want to bang, like by far. I'm actually like very, very picky with what I want with women, you know, but well, at least physically, right? And I need to go beyond that. That's important. Find what's in the heart. Find what's in the slug. No, no, isn't the chat here. Fuck yeah. I just said, yeah, but exactly that. So when you're going through, you know, you guys are helping these guys with confidence, you're now, at least in this iteration of what I'm seeing, what I've been a part of, you know, since 2017 is these skill sets being taken away. It's that it's developing the confidence here with women and leadership and fatherhood and now situational awareness and now defense and now business, you know, and it's like that these seeds you planted now they're growing and growing and the men showing up, you know, when I'm not going to say their names, but there are five distinct men I saw from 2017 and then I saw them in 2018. Attendees. Attendees and some volunteers. Okay, they'd lost weight. They were confident. The first time I spoke to them, they kind of had that, you know, the head down, they were having a difficult time with eye contact. They were dressed better. They were speaking to me like this. I'm like, dude, your life has improved. You have literally taken this applied and changed in this like a whole new man. And then I was thinking about it the other day that the men that attend and this was what frustrates me, you know, when people started going after 21 con is they're not talking to the product of 21 because they're not talking to the men who have gone through. But when I saw those dudes, I was like, I think like they're younger men think about them when they're a father and they're having children now. And then if you could like go back and look at their other life path, you know, let's play the what if game they never attended. What would their wife and children have been like then? You know, it just would have been a work. That's how men find themselves heading towards divorce. That's how they find themselves heading towards depression and being overweight and families. And then their kids do too. But now these men, they're going to know what they're looking for in a woman, have their best chances, lead strong children because they know what they know because you helped armed them with that knowledge. Oh, totally. This is what's not just the knowledge that's interesting because I've had guy attendees tell me that, you know, that have lost half a million dollars in divorce to my face will tell me this will have a discussion. And they're like, yeah, if I attended the convention, you know, if it was available when I was younger, like 15, 20 years ago, that would have never happened. It would have saved me, you know, quite literally four hundred, five hundred thousand dollars like that. So but I think it's not just the knowledge. It's one thing to have the knowledge anybody can go to the Red Pillist I wrote it they can go to learn pick up artistry on YouTube and like all this stuff. They can find these websites and these books and should that will will that can work and it might work, but that's different from experiencing it in person. I think that's what happens and they have a ticket to the convention and they actually show up and that's what you're seeing with the attendees and the volunteers who show up to the event. It's a super integrated, super powerful version of what you find on the internet. And that's why I was talking about, you know, recent videos that put out the offline manuscript why it's so important. It has benefits and leadership to the community that people don't necessarily see it's not obvious, but it does offline events with the manager like what you did for your thing, what we do 21 con the war room that cobertate does is like meetups and stuff. This is where the networking happens and the men who attend it get like super charged by it. And on the internet, you don't get that, you know, even by watching hangouts like this, even by, you know, taking it seriously. Let's say you do that. It's never going to be experienced in meeting like 150 other dudes who also want to improve their lives. They're fucking serious about it. And then also you meet these leaders and speakers and authors who are like, you know, even further along the path and many of the attendees, although at our events, too, you're seeing and that's what we're seeing recent years. The attendees are really leveling up, not just year to year, but even the guys who come in the first place like right out of the gate. These guys are like, you know, surgeons, lawyers, doctors, ship captains from the fucking Navy and ship. That was awesome. I might be biased in that way, but I was like, yeah, I got that do the whole time. Those are the guys we know. I mean, it's all kind of we have volunteers show up who are like retired D.A. and shit like door kickers and shit like fucking badass shit. So it's amazing the guys we attracted the convention. And I think it's that's also part of the experience. I've always viewed the attendees as part of the product itself. That's kind of fucked up. I guess it's a dehumanizing, but to me, it's important. And that's also why I'm a dick on the internet. Sometimes I'm trying to repel losers away from the convention and away from what we do and therefore like give space and room for winners to come to the convention. Guys with a positive attitude, a really good attitude, people who care about the truth, men who care about the truth and they're dedicated to pursuing their values in life. That's what I want to attract. And I want to repel anyone who's not either doing that already or willing to go down that path in life. I don't want toxicity in my life. I want all that shit out, get the fuck out with women, with men, everybody. You don't see it, but inside FOE, that's a very strict standard to live by. It's like, if you're not doing the work, just go away. I don't want your money. And everybody's like, oh, you know, you're just shilling to get people in the fraternity. No, I'd rather lose 50 men right now working to work because they're products of it. If they don't do the work, but they walk out here and buy a hoodie, I don't want some dude who's 300 pounds is wearing this hoodie. Like that's not my guy unless he started that 400 and now he's worked his way up. Yeah. Yeah. But I threw up on there, you know, that's why I wanted to align FOE with RMG because Redman Group is putting out the content is doing great work, especially the patriarchs. Again, it might be biased, but in between, patriarchs as well, apparently, I like that was good, man. I appreciate you stepping in. I was not doing too well. So with you guys, you know, the knowledge is great and the conventions are great, but because they're so big, you can't have one every day, every week. So that's where, you know, War Room fills in. That's where FOE fills in, you know, we that's what we do weekly. You know, there are guys in the chat right now every single week, men are meeting up. And as you said, you can't. I call it consummate the marriage. I mean, the friendship that when you shake something, when you shake a man's hand, that's consummating the friendship. You know, you can get so close through video chats, you know, through things like this. But until you're sitting there shaking a man's hand, looking in the eye, that's when you know him. And that's what we need to continue to push is that bringing men together to actually meet up. And you don't have to be part of War Room or FOE. Go the guys and this is a new kind of, I guess, charge I want to be leading. If you've been on Twitter for a year and you've been talking to these five guys for a year and they live in like three states over DM. Hey, let's meet up. Let's grab dinner. Let's let's actually do this thing. Not everybody's a psycho is going to shoot you. You know, if you've been speaking to these people, you built some trust and repertoire, you know, meet them. So let's let's break electro. Let's pause on this real quick. So I agree with all this stuff. And I also think there's there's real science guys can look up in terms of meeting face to face, making first impressions, holding eye contact with somebody in real life. It uses different parts of your brain. And on the internet, you don't have that. That's why you have such unhinged delusional bullshit on, you know, YouTube comments and Twitter comments, anywhere on the internet at this point, you know, like Reddit and shit, it should just goes off the rails like so quick and comments. And it's hysterical. Sometimes I'm fucking crazy. These kids gets, but there's a reason for that. It's because we're not communicating is the same parts of our brain. But I didn't want to say as well that so my history with the convention and the manuscript itself and the pick apart his community and the repo community, it's always a meeting people in face to face. That's what me and Socrates came from Orlando. We were a part of like probably the best layer in the country. That's what speakers would tell us when they'd come and speak at the layer we had. It wasn't our layer is something that we were part of. It had been formed probably 2004 or something like that. And I joined it in mid 2006. So top the layer was like a pick apart his thing back in the day. They're pick apart his media groups. It's the horror. It's the worst name imaginable a layer. I mean, I was just thinking like this is what the fuck it's old school pick apart history picking retarded shit. I mean, let's run with it. It makes the manuscript sound cool by comparison. So anyway, it's called pick up layer and there's these are all over the world, especially in America, but they're all over the world. There was huge ones in Europe and all over the place, right? Even in Australia, they have them. But in Orlando, we had a really good one. It was called top layer, the Tampa Orlando layer. And essentially, it was like a discussion form. You could join those private yet to get, you know, be admitted to it. Then there's a couple of levels to it, like any other online community in terms of like, if you were a senior member and, you know, moderator and all that shit. But we also have meetups. We have meetups constantly every month or two. We'd have real meetups with we'd have later from 10 to 30 guys show up. That's how I got to know Socrates, these other speakers that spoke early on the convention was through that. So my background in the community, I did a lot of posting back in the day. And I still do in some sense, obviously, Twitter and the company. But really, it was always a meetups. I wanted to say on that too, there's another thing with that. Damn, I had somewhere to go with that was really important. Well, while you collect that thought, I might come to you. So I came from Reddit. So I came from you have a secret username. And that's how you talk to guys. And then I went to Twitter. And I had no point was I meeting anybody. There was no layer, there was no meetup. There was no expectation that men should meet up. That was never a thing. This is this is new. Here's how I was going with this one more thing. So yeah, this is well, it's perfect. So yeah, fortunately, the pick up artist community had that and that influenced me through top layer. I mean, that was the top layer meetups really were why I wanted to do an under 21 meetup, which turned into the under 21 convention, which turned into the 21 convention. So really, it all came from the pick up artist community and their meetup groups face to face in real life that did this, because I found these to be super helpful meeting up with these guys like Socrates. These guys are older than me. They're wiser than me. Even as this punk little kid that would tell them I know everything to fuck yourself. I was I was just like I am now. I mean, I suck. It was hysterical. They would they would ban me for six months at a time. And then I'd come back and then I just get banned again and I come back. They didn't know what to do with me and I was but I was so active with going out and stuff meeting everybody in real life. I was in your face. Okay, you want to meet. Let's meet. But one more thing to that they that I like that you're mentioning that they did to back on the day. And this is what made it like the best one of the best layers. Because this was not consistent in the pickup artist community, is you had to do the work. You had if you wanted to post in the form you had to put put out field reports. You had to meet guys in real life pretty consistently, not every night or whatever. But if you were not going out, if you were not writing about it, if you were not doing the work, you were considered like a keyboard jockey and they'd make fun of you. And they'd be like get the fuck out of here. Do the fucking work. Go out, write about it. What are your sticking points or fuck off? Do not just float around this community of the couple hundred guys in Tampa, Orlando, Central Florida, basically, and just pretend like you know shit and argue with people. Do the fucking work and then you can talk or don't do the work and get the fuck out. So they're very strict about that. And I had I was actually known as the guy who did the most work. Absolutely. I went out, you know, everything like I was talking about these pulled approaches. That's where this is getting done in top layer. I went out sometimes three, four, five, seven nights a week sometimes. And I'd write about it every fucking night and like three in the morning if I didn't wasn't banging some chick. So it was this constant and they knew that. And then I was this huge asshole on top of that. So it was very polarizing. But they really respected, you know, actions over words they respected the action it took, which was constant. And I was constantly meeting guys in my life that saw this too. So that's that's a develop a level of respect in there, even though it was young and kind of a hothead, you know, surprise. But I like that a lot. And it's good that you guys have that too. No, I think that there is an element of, you know, when I'm listening to you, certain men have certain traits. Some men will be leaders. Some men, they are so happy to supporting the cause and doing their job to follow on, you know, whether that's they're just doing the security that aren't worried about telling people where to go or they're just the cook, you know, they just want to help the cause and do their job. They're content. Like I said, the guys just doing the nine to five, they don't have that little like weird fire inside my head, you know, that inside your head, they don't have that thing. And that's okay, because they're doing their thing, they're leaving their family, they're kicking ass. But there are some people who do. And I think, you know, when you bring men together for those who are leaving the charge like, let's go, here's how we're going to go, here's where we're going to go, here's what you need to do. Those guys are like, all right, we have someone to keep us accountable. Now, now I know who to follow, what to do, what I should be doing, you know, and then they fall into their role in George Patton quote, leave, leave me, follow me or get the fuck out of the way. Pretty much. And inside of the thing, it's look, you don't have to be the guy leading 100 men this way. But you're going to be doing the work because you guys will be supporting those men. You know, and that's I think for each group, I think in war room, you know, if you're saying that, oh, I made this much money. Show the receipt, you know, Tate is always saying like, prove it, show me, you know, and I like that in F.O.E. when we're having our video chats, it's like, hey man, you said, you've been working out and dressing better. And then you look at the group and you're here disheveled, like what the fuck something's not let's fix this now or get go away. If you're not going to do the work, go. I would say this is where authenticity and real power and development come from. And that's why these groups are better. They're known as like the best in the community. 21 convention, F.O.E. and you know, war room and stuff. It's because there's people leading them like me and you and Tate that require this shit that demanded, you know, be consistent with the group, do the fucking work, take the action or get the fuck out and, you know, take your bullshit with you, you know, lying about shit or being a keyboard jockey or whatever, whether you're a keyboard jockey with money or with women or with life or masculinity, you know, if you're not living that shit, get the fuck out. This is something also that the speakers that you guys have done really well for me. People wonder, you know, so you're asking me how I get motivated or, you know, stay home myself accountable and do these things for years and years and years and years through all the obstacles of life and business. And they happen. I mean, they happen to every single entrepreneur I've ever talked to him. But the speakers are the guys that I model actually listen to what you guys say as a conference organizer and I apply it to my life, whether that's you or George Bruno or no or any of these guys. When Noah says to, you know, action comes from the heart like this is the most important thing. I fucking listen to that shit and take a mental note and I apply that to my life. I think it's true and I think it is. I listen to what you say in George Bruno, hope optimum, hope, optimism, positivity. I have to apply that at the highest level to my life to make the company the best that I can. Whether that's 21 studios, 21 convention, a red man group. And I do that in ways that people see in public, even if they get pissed off by it, as well as behind the scenes and improving and maintaining relationships and things like that or building new ones like with new speakers like John Navarro and stuff. So I don't know where I was going with that somewhere good. Oh, you mentioned we got there. Yeah, you know, you mentioned some too with, you know, leading and the fire in your head and these things like that. And so on that date thing last night with that chick, this wine date, she was like learning about my businesses a little bit like asking about it. And it just kind of occurred to me as a guy I've never not and I just kind of blurted it out as a guy I've never not had a business as an adult, like or even as a kid like leave at 17 years old to start my first business. I literally don't even know what it's like to have a nine to five job. I have no idea. I've pretty much done nothing but run this company in my entire adult life and being an entrepreneur. I don't know how to not how to not be entrepreneur. So for me, that's I know that's kind of odd. I don't know how useful it is to guys. But when I when I hear guys that want to start businesses and stuff like that and women do this too all the time. They they're fed this crap by feminism that they should go and some of them maybe should but most of them I think should not. They should make babies and cookies. They should run the business of the home. No, I'm serious. They should run the business. I laugh when I live this. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And it's great. It's a great thing to do. Tanner does it too, man. I see his wife on Instagram, her bios like making making babies and cookies are very similar to what that's where I got it from. Basically, I like I picked it off that. But a lot of people I mean, it's entrepreneurship is hip thing for, you know, the people get pitched on Instagram and shuttle and social media. But it's fucking tough, you know. And not everyone's gonna be able to do it. But if you can, you need to just dive into it. You've seen you do that's been awesome. And other guys feel like Bruno and stuff like that. You know, diving into this at first. Dude, it's been wild. And it's been liberating and there's no greater motivator than your family's relying on you to go forward and carry them to the promised land. Yeah, there's something about having you're talking about the speakers, you know, helping to keep you accountable and to keep, you know, these the focus on where it is you're going. Like, don't worry about this. These are distractions. Here's our messages where I'll bring it to the table. You take it and run with it. And somebody I've had, you know, and if we have got it like my intercounsel, one of them is this dude who just dropped a solid little nugget here. Evolved Phil who's fucking nuts looking forward to seeing him in October. He said on the flip side is that some want to lead, but they suck at it. Yeah. And I think you can instantly tell, you know, when when someone tries to force themselves into leadership is they don't give a shit. They're like, I just want the power, not the responsibility that comes with it. And you're responsible. You've got a lot of responsibility because the decisions you make impact me, impact all the speakers, impact yourself, impact your family. So when you see people trying to force leadership on the things, you also see their followers getting like dragged into the ship and then left there because the leader takes off and they're on their own. How have you been able to weigh the responsibility without, you know, you're talking about L theanine. You're talking about some ways to keep yourself calm. Yeah. You know, you've got your daily walk. But when the weight of like, this is like, it's not just Anthony. It's Anthony. It's Hunter. It's George. It's all the guys in the chat. It's it's everybody. We're all it's like a reverse pyramid. And you're even with you out. We're fucked. Yeah, it's even bigger than that. I mean, the real alumni speaker group is like a hundred and fifty separate speakers now. Then they're on all the 21 con alumni and then they're on all the attendees, which is even greater. I mean, those men are like, I'm I need you to do this because I'm I'm getting purposed and whatnot. And if you go away, I mean, there are other resources, but nobody's doing 21 con, which one is doing 21 con? Yeah. So how do you deal with that? That that's an immense amount of could fuck you up. Yeah, thanks. And I've done it really young, too. And I think I mean, you're my age. So that's I think it's not it's not as apparent to you. But when guys are older, they look at it and they're like, Holy shit, this guy started this company in 17. Even now, I just turned 31 running it. So two things come to mind. One is art. I think art, my favorite philosopher is Anne Rand, woman, actually, and her one of her sayings is that art is fuel for man's soul. So I'm always looking for the best art I can find that is going to inspire me to be the man that I want to be and continue to evolve into. That's one thing. The other thing is just really so that's like that's more of a spiritual kind of nourishing thing, right, taking care of myself, that I view that as taking care of myself looking for art that inspires me to do different things, whether that's some action movie like John Wick in the focus and attempts to get that guy has to be that character, both the actor Keanu Reeves trained for it as well as the character itself, or if it's something different, it's something else like that, like a book or a novel that inspires me, like The Fountainhead or Atlas Shrunk or something like that. But really comes down to the speakers, man. You guys, the reason I talk to you guys and invite you to the conferences because the convention itself has always been very personal for me. Even to this day, it's less personal. Think about it. I had zero intention of talking about 21Con, but it is intertwined with Anthony Johnson. We can't not talk about the one without the other. They're just interwoven. It's an extension. I view it as an extension of my soul. It's part of who I am. It's something I've quite literally poured my heart and soul into and my mind and everything that I can for over 13 years now. It's what I do almost every day of most of the day. There are times where I take a little bit of time off from it and stuff like that. In August, I did get some break time from the convention after Poland. So last month. Yeah, but it's the speakers, man. I'll listen to what you guys say. You guys are given dope-ass advice and that's why I invite you to the convention and then I find new guys that haven't spoken yet. It's like you guys were, but not too long ago, a couple of years ago. And then I invite them pull them in the convention. So I'm really just listening to what you guys say. I'm trying to I'm trying to apply. You know, there's so many of you guys and there's dozens of you guys active at any given time as a speaker group. Never mind all the alumni that came before you guys by listening to what you guys say. And I try to fucking apply it. Whether that's, you know, you talking about being a family and a father and the responsibility that comes with that and how much that inspires you to be the man that you are. Or if it's someone like Agey Cortez, you know, giving a presentation on a king on the masculine archetypes of king, warrior, magician, lover. His speech and I loved it and it got me into the book now because really that's also been changing how I think and how I'm an act. So it's I'm listening to what you guys say. And I'm doing that in a way that I don't always talk about publicly, but I'm doing it privately on a very personal level. And that influences me as a CEO and as a leader to be responsible and to win and to succeed and do different things as well as to be controversial sometimes and to do things that piss people off. I do what I think is right no matter what. Now, looking forward at the future of Anthony, we're going to shift over to the manuscript in a minute, but the future of Anthony Johnson and one is there anything coming down the pipeline that you're able to share or anything any major changes, new direction that you see, you know, obviously, the elections coming down and the major hurdles that we're going to be. All right, you know that one's going to be big because people just get nuts when it comes to election time. Let's say, you know, post convention, I'm not post convention, post election, you know, the convention and you as well, you know, not just like, hey, cool, we're going to do this to the convention, but like, what are you doing? Yeah, so I just got distracted by the chat. No air. Do you drop in some some bombs? I'm just like trying to keep it on point, but I'm also reading it. I'm like, yeah, he's doing those odd. Dude, he's just like, dude, he's like a cross between like you and Tanner. He's like, like this hybrid. I swear to God, dude, even the way he looks is like this cross. Actually, I think he's going to be on the next Redman Group Patriarchs this Thursday. Oh, fuck yeah, nice. So it should be good. So you're asking personally, like where my life is going in the convention separate from the Manusphere, maybe, right? Like a different yeah, but we'll go to the Manusphere right after this question. I got to say that with the election, like I do obviously I'm aware of it. It's hard. It's impossible not to be both on a personal level, a cultural level, and then like a Manusphere level and a business level and stuff. But I don't really care about it that much. It's just something that's going to happen again. It just happened a couple of years ago, obviously, presidential election. It will raise issues that we see in the Manusphere. It's going to raise, you know, issues of feminism, issues of gender and all that shit going on in the country right now. But I don't care that much, except to the extent that it affects my life directly and the company. Well, I care like where the fucking country goes on a personal level. No, I get that 100 percent. I was going to say, I am 100 percent. I thought I was the only one thinking that way. I'm like, oh, the election. I was like, yeah, but did you lift today? Well, I get the election. Yeah, but did you did you do what you were supposed to? Like I don't give a fuck. These people accuse me of this conspiracy theories that I'm trying to make the convention more political and all this shit. It's fucking delusional. Like whether it's Cernovich or Molly new or all these people, like I don't. This is not where they're invited to speak. I don't even think Molly new speaking on politics. And we barely had any political content at the convention. Everybody's welcome, you know, like Jack Donovan put a piece out recently about the Bill of Rights and you need to draw a line there. And I grew that completely beyond supporting the Bill of Rights. I don't care what you believe political politically as far as being a speaker and a customer. Just don't endorse like fucking communism, feminism or shit like that, a racism on my stage. Other than that, we're good. You could be a fucking hardcore liberal Democrat for all I care to support the goddamn constitution, the rule law. But yeah, it's all these political things. I'm trying to take a political to make more money is fucking stupid. You know, my hat is make women great again, not make America great again. I want to make my America great again. I think that's a fucking fantastic idea. But in the meantime, this is my focus and what I care about. That's why I have it on my head. But as far as me personally and stuff, the future is masculine, not conservative. Like maybe it's conservative, but this is not this is not what I focus on and what I care about. What I care about is this. That's why I'm wearing it, you know? Now, what about a verbal actin on verbal? It's a good one. Check it out. But you're asking about my personal life, though, in the convention. So twenty two cons going to get started this spring. It's going to be combined with a patriarch event. There's going to be two events going on in the same venue at the same time for the first time ever. We never done that. And that's pretty interesting. I'm excited to do that. And so not only is that interesting in itself, combining the patriarch with the women's convention we're obviously going to do the women's convention. So that'll be for the first time in 2020. And I hope that succeeds. I plan for it to succeed. I think it's going to kick ass. We're going to have George Bruno and AJ Cortez lead the charge. And I think it's going to be a very positive, very good thing. And that's going to open up a whole new window for the man a sphere to speak to women in a way that they need to hear, not only for the individual women who go to it and then watch the videos online, probably by the millions, right? The content will be filmed and published or free eventually, just like a 21 convention. So I want to reach Gen Z and these young women and even millennials and improve their lives and make them a great again, quite literally. But I think that's a big deal for my company. It's a big deal for the manuscript too and for me to finally have a platform and a window to speak to women who have obviously have demonstrated through decades of action or inaction that they're not going to police feminism. They're not going to reign in these crazy absurd accesses that we're seeing, whether that's the me too crap or whether that's innocent, approved and guilty, barely surviving in the US Senate in 2018. That's nuts. So women, I think women have feminism is super toxic. It's affecting culture, politics, social relationships. The whole section marketplace I think is in fucking collapse right now, basically. And women are not going to change that. That's been obvious, I think, by their actions and stuff. So 22 con is a big deal. And I think that'll be not just a big deal next year, but the whole decade. I hope that we see a really, you know, America do very well in the 2020s. I wouldn't be surprised if history repeats itself. You know, what else is fucking new in history? But alongside that, I hope that we can also influence women in a very positive way and bounce them back from the shit hole of feminism that they got sucked into and that they haven't been able to dig themselves out of. Some women are trying, but it's, you know, like Christine Hoff Summers, for example. Have you been getting feedback from your female followers? Like on their perception of it? Yeah, a little bit. I mean, we've been building a VIP list for it for the early bird tickets and stuff at 22connection.com. But I've been getting DMs from women for a while about it. Yeah, since I, when I first announced it, especially, women were trying to buy tickets right away. Dude, it blew my mind. I'm so used to dealing and working with men that you, I didn't even say shit. I just like went on Twitter one day after you had announced like what you were doing. And then a few of the people follow me like, oh, you're going to be speaking? You know what I'm saying? I'm like, what the fucking talking? I'm like, like, what am I getting DMs? Like, usually it's like the bot with like some like huge tiffs. It's like, hey, you're like, yeah, delete. Like these are like actual women who I've never spoken to before. Oh, what is this about? I'm interested. Like my daughter, but I'm like, what? Like, I didn't know there's a market. And it's just, it's weird to me. It's an untapped market. And it's, it's an untapped market. Cause these women, they've really been fed a, like a pile of bullshit for multiple decades. It's like men, they're miserable and depressed because of it. And they, they drown that in cat hair and wine and stuff. And it's just in tender and all the shit. It's just, it's just fucking stupid, man. It's just, it's just shitty for them as is for us. So one of the things I try to do is every morning brew, you know, the panel's open to chats or any questions rather. So one of the ones directed your way from Anthony, I don't know if you can see it is, do you have or do you plan on having an economist to be a 21 con? Something that needs to be a professional, somebody that's deep in the weeds of US economy. Yeah. I think I'm like that should head from what's his name, Paul Krugman or something. No, he's like total loser. Probably not. So the convention is pretty diverse platform. We've had a few political talks, one for example from 2000. So that would be related I think to economics, but 2012 we had a speech from like the third or second speech from Dr. Doug McGuff. He's an emergency room doctor. He spoke at the convention several times. He gave a talk called Fitness, Health and Liberty and he tried to tie these things together and he did a really good job. He's an amazing speaker. He's like Sean Smith, but an emergency room doctor instead of psychologist. Anyway, it's things at the convention and even that talk, they need to be like, they need to be self-improvement focused in some way. There's got to be something that it's got to be personally driven to like the person's man's soul. His soul, his life, his masculinity, things like that. So I think economics would be, having an economist speak would be a little bit too far outside that. I guess you're some like mental jujitsu to tie it into how the economy impacts your decision making day to day and whatnot. I mean, the real foundation of the convention was not pickup. It was self-improvement for men with the specific kind of outlets for it. And I don't, and there's, so there's only, you can take that pretty damn far and that's what I've done. It's super diverse platform. We have family guys speaking. We have Navy SEAL speaking, like Richard Graham in self-defense. We have FBI agents. We have all kinds of people speak at the conference. Dating coaches, this, this and that and the other. But yeah, there's a limit to how far you can take that and it's like, I can't have a talk on everything. It's not Ted and it's not just a conference for anything in the world that we want to have speech on. It's got to be focused on men somehow and on improving themselves as men or maybe, you know, like as a culture and stuff like that. Yeah. So, go ahead. No, just say, yeah. So the answer to that is probably not. Let's talk manosphere. Let's talk the erection of the sphere at large. I hate the term, but I've yet to find something that sticks quite as well. You know? Yeah, exactly. There's nothing, there's nothing. It's just a, it's just a, it's just letters, man. It's just a word. What matters is the concept it represents, you know? And that's, that's I think a very positive thing. It's immense community is what it is. It's not just immense community. It's an emerging movement for men that's been forming for every 25 years. And as different groups like the red pill, the picapartist, the MGTOW and men's rights activist. And we're seeing that start to coalesce. And I think that's also, by the way, see what we're talking about the manosphere. The manosphere has been under attack this year. I think more than it's ever been before by mainstream and that's unusual because usually they would just pick a person or a smaller group like picapartist or red pill or something and they would pick on them or incels or MGTOW or some shit. I don't really know if incels are part of or a distinct group, but. Yeah, they kind of, they're in each group, but the sperm incel itself is which part of it. Yeah, yeah, totally, totally. So then you have all cell and all the shit. So I think they're attacking it though because they're, I think they're attacking because it's coming together. It's actually building power and forming up. And the live events we do at 21Con and then different meetup groups and the interaction we have on the internet is a demonstration of that. There's connectivity between these groups with the first time. And that's been, well, not for the first time, but it's been increasing each year. 2017, for example, was a big deal. 2017 at the convention, the 10 year anniversary of the 21 convention, which is the second oldest conference in the entire manosphere period. The only one that beat it to the punch was Eclipse List back in 2005. Anyway, that was 2017 was a year where the seduction community, the Pickabarb's community came together at a high level with some like legendary dudes, Zamperio and Ross Jeffery, Sipmatica, Alan Roger Curry. I know Alan doesn't always identify with that group, but that's how people see him. They came together with the Red Pill community, guys like you, guys who were from, and all these other guys from the community at that point. So that was a big coming together. And that I think has never happened before. And we've seen that now every year since kind of keep continuing to evolve and stuff like that. And I think we'll keep branching out into other things. Like even now, DDJ is speaking at the convention and you're gonna do a workshop. And that'll be the first time we, I mean, almost ever there's been a MiGTav speaker at a conference of any type. I'm not like particularly in a MiGTav, but I think DDJ is a solid ass dude. I'm gonna be a solid speaker and give some great tips on, you know, for men on navigating divorce and legal matters and stuff like that. But isn't that the whole point of all this? Is it's not about just you? You know, you're saying, I'm not totally MiGTav. Yeah, I'm 100% not MiGTav, but guess what? There's a lot of guys who aren't family and I'm on there talking and they're like, I have nothing, I just wanna know. I've talked to, you know, attendees of the convention exactly and they're like, they'll tell me, they'll say whatever they're, where they're from, you know, whatever community they're from or none. They don't give a shit. I talked to attendees all the time on the phone lately. We're talking, you know, with the convention coming up, you know, getting tickets and stuff. And some of them just don't give a fine fuck about any of the communities. They just love the content, they love the speakers, they love the ideas. And they love how it benefits their life. But other guys are, I mean, there'll be guys at the convention that have been repeatedly and they're like, yeah, they'll identify as MiGTav or something like that. Or as Red Pill or as like a PUA or something. I'm like, great, like I don't really care that much. I care that you're a man. Yeah, more importantly, you're a man is what's exactly. And that's what's interesting is we're seeing men and fathers, that's the manuscript itself. It's men and fathers organizing together for the first time in history, in my opinion, and understanding for the interests of men, boys and fathers, that's unheard of. That's like never happened before. It's always, if there's any kind of civil rights movement or civil movement, it's always for like some specific cause, right? Some other cause, some political cause or something like that. This isn't, this is men's issues and men coming together for our own interests. I've raised somewhere to what Jack Donovan talks about in terms of like men and their interests like that. And that's really special. And we have to keep fostering that and cultivating that and nurturing it. And I've taken steps recently to do that that have, you know, upset a lot of people, a bunch of crybabies. But I'm doing what I gotta do and what I think is right. And if we don't, I think this community is gonna fall apart or it will fall apart in the 2020s or it will slowly just kind of morph into this toxic snowball bullshit, which is horrible. We saw, I think the pickup artist community, for example, used to be a lot more tight knit in the 2000s and more positive and more focused. And then I think it kind of fell apart in the 2010s that we've seen over the years. And it's not, it doesn't have like a central location anymore either. And it's like all the layers died off and stuff too. That's that movement fell apart. But the most part is still sort of exists right loosely. But I think that's a, that was a bad thing. And it's, we need to see the ministry come together and go forward into the future and focus on truth, optimism, positivity and kicking ass and having a real impact on Western culture that lasts for generations. Not just like, you know, I'm happy that if it helps your life as an attendee or a fan or a viewer, that's fucking great. But I'm also thinking about a culture of men where there are millions of other men exactly like you that are getting their life wrecked by whatever the fuck's going on. I mean, two allegation, a nasty divorce or you're just getting rejected by women and your life and you're fucking depressed and miserable because of it or some shit. But you know, the culture is unhealthy. It's an AG Cortez is talking recently, he went to Romania. I think he's like moving their down shit. America is like spiritually sick. And as much as I love this country, I can't deny that. There's like a lot of fucking shit going on that's not healthy in this country. Feminism and its resulting effects on men and women is like the perfect illustration of that. It's not just perfect, it's very deep too. Because it's not just politics and voting and Hillary and Trump and all this shit or whatever the fuck's going on. It's social, personal relationships, family stuff. Like you are pushing back against feminism and your own life leading a family. Your children and your wife and yourself and your companies and stuff. Feminism doesn't want that. They want you to be this weak beta bitch who gets owned by his wife and is not a leader of his own life, is not masculine, is an effeminate loser. And you're like, you just give them a big fuck you and you do what you're gonna do and you're doing what you want. Quite literally, I mean, you have the family alpha and everything that you do right behind you. So that's what they don't want. They want men weak and dependent, not strong and independent. It's been interesting. So kind of on that note with AJ, I'm an admitted nationalist. I'm like pro-America all day. But he put something that was like something about America and I read it and I was like, ah, whatever. We gotta fix that, yeah. But some people got like super upset and it kind of played into his point. He's like, if you get angry at a tweet, there's something wrong with you. Like you're getting like really, really angry about just a little tweet. I get like disagreeing and like, all right, I want to present a counterpoint, but we're talking like smash and the keyboard's pissed off. Holy shit. He's poking the bear of cognitive dissonance in their head. They know something's wrong. They just don't want to admit it. Yeah, objectively, like, yeah, there is a problem. Let's identify it and fix it instead of pretending it's not there and then it grows into this giant tumor that kills you, you know? Yeah, I think it's super important too, man. Like America is like the last free country on earth and the most free by far. And if this country falls apart or collapses, Soviet style, or even just kind of declines into that slowly, that's like really dangerous and really bad for everyone, everywhere. This is the only country on earth with, you know, for free speech and like the right tone of firearm and defend yourself is still taken seriously and protected. And if we lose that, who the fuck knows what's gonna happen? So much evil shit has happened in this world that like seeing it happen over, I mean, just last century, how many fucking people died were murdered by their own government? Democide, it's like 250 million or some crazy shit. It's like, how many are gonna get murdered this century? I hope, you know, a lot less than that, you know? Fuck yeah, but yeah, if this country falls apart, I mean, who the fuck knows how bad it's gonna get, man? And that's, there's no where else to go either. That's how people like leave an expat. It's like, I get it on a personal level, but it's like, where do you think things are gonna go if America falls? Like, no one's safe, dude, so be fucked. There's something you said about the man's fear that I want to kind of bring back. And you said, you know, regardless of what your sexual preferences or relationship status, like as long as you're a man working on being a better man or being better at being a man, you know, you're welcome and you're included. And that's something where some people and some groups are just so divisive. They're like, you are this or you are that. And like, no, like the strength of what are this we're doing is that it's all inclusive to men. Whether you're making a playboy or a family man come together, I was hanging out with Goldman. Like he has had sex with more women than I've said good night to my children. Think about that. They're 10 and seven every single night. You know, maybe not that high, but you get what I'm saying. I can find benefit and information from his life and his writings that I can apply to my life and make my marriage and my life better. I can find a DDJ. I can talk to a Migtow and I can learn how to make, you pick and choose, but you never get to hear the information if you immediately put, it's like being racist. I'm not gonna listen to a black guy. I'm not gonna listen to an Asian guy, you know. What's wrong with you? God, like that's the most frustrating thing is you're finding a reason not to learn from somebody. Yeah, not totally. It's super immature, like it's not, people call black and white thinking it's not. I'm actually a big fan of black and white thinking. I think it's fantastic. Now there's reasons for that philosophically and stuff, but it's not black and white thinking. It's like this very childish, immature compartmentalization of a human being. It's like, you know, Richard Granin, one of our speakers from Poland, and he's been on our YouTube channel and stuff a lot. He's a great dude. He focuses on psychology and toxic relationships and healing from them and stuff like that. He talks about how, you know, it's a very childish and immature and I think he's 100% right to label people, red pill and blue pill and stuff like that rather than ideas. And the idea, I think there's some merit to it and ideas, concepts, right? But as far as people, like it's fucking delusional, unless it's like really, really obvious. I like some male feminists wearing a pink pussy eye or something, right? Like obviously this dude sucked into the fucking matrix. There's no doubt of that. But outside of like super obvious physical examples like that, people, human beings are complex, man. We have whole histories of trauma and ideas and concepts and successes and failures, relationships and all kinds of shit. To label somebody purple pill or blue pill or even red pill is like fucking retarded. You can try to identify as that and say, I am red pill and this is the reason why. But outside of you doing it yourself because you have the ultimate authority over what you think in your own life and your own mind, outside of that you can't do that shit. And so that's what these guys are doing is they're like, they can't deal with somebody disagreeing with them or having a different idea. So they just want to like package it and throw it out the window because they're fucking weak. They can't deal with disagreement and stuff like that. And that's where I think the manuscript is going is that we do, what I'm doing actually is dealing with men who disagree with each other at a really high level and I'm finding a way for them to get along and come together for common interests of men and fathers. And I've done that at the highest level for this community for over a decade. And I'm very proud of that. I think it's extremely important. And I think it's actually the path forward for this community to succeed and have a major impact on the West, not just a few thousand or a few million guys that we reach every year with their content but like the whole culture and actually make changes for positivity in the future that are real and are powerful. So I have an email, I said a while back called the red pill is not my God and I've got the red pill is not my God part two coming out soon. Oh yeah. So yeah. I'm looking forward to it. I'm not. But you have to say something. You have to say something. A good friend of mine reminded me of that. The link below, get on the newsletter. It's gonna be a good one. I don't know when it's going out but I keep adding to it. It keeps growing in size. It's gonna be like a fucking novella. Yeah. Two things I wanted to bring up. One, you've had a bunch of speakers that have really been lightning rods. Before my time coming on, you know some guys you brought on were a little hot topic, Jack Donovan hot topic. In the chat, somebody asked Stefan Malinu. That dude's like a lightning rod. So what are the responses been on that one? That's been huge. That was actually a lot bigger than I thought it would be. Like I knew he was a big speaker and had a big channel. Obviously, that wasn't hard to understand but his personality, Elliot Hulse is even bigger, right? Elliot Hulse has reached more people. He's got hundreds and millions of views even more than Malinu but he was not as big of a controversy as Malinu was. So Elliot is cool as fuck. I love Elliot and he's a big dude, a big speaker. But Stefan is just been the absolute fucking lightning rod that I've ever seen. So the response has been super strong. Taking a lot of heat for it, a lot of positivity too. Guys DM and me stuff about how they like it and it's a positive change for the convention, things like that. Especially coinciding with the other conflicts we've had kicking speakers out and shit like that this year. So it's been strong. I would say getting Malinu on board was the biggest splash we've ever seen for a speaker. I've never seen people get that triggered by doing that. And I knew it would be big. I would make an announcement, he's a big speaker and people would agree or disagree with that and support it or not support it. But it was pretty intense. And I think by having him speak at the convention, finally, not just being on the report like at the patriarch where he was interviewed but actually speaking, the pictures and the video from that, having him on the Redman Group obviously recently will have him at the event too that way. It's been big and I think we have not seen the end of it. It's just starting. So I'm excited to support that, have another speaker join us on a platform. I think he shares common interests with us at a deep level and he's gonna be very supportive of the atmosphere and where it's going in terms of it being a positive, healthy future that it needs and we have to make for it. So it's been good. No, and what I really like about your inability to just back down from shit is people be like, oh, that's too hot. And you just walk over, grab it, sizzling and you put it over, it's like, nope, I got it. And they are cool. We should never have someone silence us because they're like, oh, I don't know what he's gonna say about this or that. Maybe we should play it safe. Fuck that. We have all the raw conversations. That's what we keep saying, men do. Men do the hard shit, right? Well, here we are doing the hard shit and then men get upset. Like what the fuck? So what you're talking about is that things are hard and then you're like, oh, let's not do that. Like that's fucking hard shit. Don't back down now. Yeah, exactly. Never fucking back down. So I walk my talk and that's the difference in this community. That's what also the conventions do. By getting men on video, getting them on speeches and stuff like that, you're seeing a new expression of who they are of their mind and their heart and their soul for better and for worse. You know, sometimes that can reveal fraud. Sometimes that can reveal the hero in Mansoul as he speaks and it reaches out to the world and kicks ass with it. And then it reaches as a consequence, hundreds of thousands or millions of men on YouTube with their videos. But yeah, the difference is that I will actually walk my talk and I try to walk a lot more than I talk loop or not. And in spite of my videos I put out sometimes and whatnot. So I'm focused on the work and on the doing, you know? And that's another thing too is I don't usually signal about it. Like a lot of some men, the man is trying to virtue signal about what they do. And that to me is like a waste, not a completely waste of time, but for the most part a waste of time. It's just that you can, you know, I like Grant Cardone's thing. Like if you're not going to toot your own horn, who do you expect to fucking do it for you? Something like that. But more importantly, you need to, you know, do the fucking work. That's like gotta be 99% of the effort and the focus. And that's what I do. And that's why, you know, I pick up the hot coal of that no one wants to touch. Everyone's like, oh, or you know, some people are like, oh, don't do it. Don't do it. I'm like, oh, let me grab that in the fuck room. But it needs to go. You know, so what it's gonna burn me. Who cares? It'll heal. So yeah, I like to walk my talk man. That's part of listening to you guys as speakers. I have to do that at a level that the attendees don't relative to the manager. So these are the challenges and choices and obstacles I have presented to me as an entrepreneur and as a leader to be responsible and to be successful and to kick ass and be a winner with these things. And it can be tough, but I enjoy the challenge. And I know it because every challenge I take throughout my life, every challenge I've seen and you know, taken on, I get stronger, and stronger, and stronger, and stronger. So I guess in my mind, you know, for whatever reason from a young age I've been able to develop these obstacles and challenges into a positive feedback loop that I just keep going and keep going and keep winning and keep kicking ass. And you guys do that as well. And that's why I like surrounding myself with you guys as speakers and then the attendees who are on that same page too. That makes me a better man and that improves my ability to walk my talk. And I think also is the reason why the convention has gotten bigger and more badass and better every fucking year because I keep pushing the envelope, picking up that hot, the hot coals and shit. And you guys are encouraging me to do that whether you realize it or not, just by walking your fucking talk and preaching what you do. I mean, yeah, you guys inspire me I think in ways you don't realize. I'm like, what did Hunter just say, be authentic and you know, pick the fucking co-op and kick ass? Sorry, that's what I'm gonna do. Whether or not anyone necessarily approves of it other than responsibility and relationships and stuff like that, which I try to monitor and understand and nurture as best I can every time. No, a lot of men see, and then we talk about the future. I'm no, like there's nothing hidden about what I'm doing. I've been very clear where I think we should go. I think we should go with men meeting up. I think we should go with these groups coming together. And like I said, I'm not, this isn't an FOE pimp for turningofexcellence.com. You know, this is, it's more of a look, if you wanna do it, you know, go do it. You don't need to do it inside FOE. You don't need to do it in a war room, luminal order with Jack Murphy. You don't need to go to those places. You can message a guy and do it, but they don't. They end up joining these groups. And I think it's because they want ground that's already been laid. Like they're afraid to shoot the DM and go hang out. But if they join a group, well, this group already comes together and got all these things. And then I can do it that way. And that's an approved path. And I think that's part also of what you're doing is these men meet up, myself included. I didn't know AJ Cortezer and I didn't meet any of these men, none of them. I met them all through 21Con. And that helped us, like Tanner, that helped us, you know, create other things and then go forward. That helped us lay the foundation to where we could build even greater things because our network as speakers grew. So even attendees who may not want to be speakers or they may not want to create any content, they can lay the foundation of having an accountability partner. Hey buddy, we meet up for coffee every Saturday morning. You know, what'd you do this week? What'd I do this week? I'll say this, for a speaker or an attendee, there's nothing more valuable and important than meeting up in person. Pretty much as often as you can. I mean, it can't be your whole fucking life if you don't live near each other. So Sock and I, you know, Sock lives 20 minutes from me, so I see him all the time. On that side of that though, it's rare for me to meet up with you guys in person, but I like doing it as often as I can with conventions because it makes my life better. It's the same thing for the attendees. It's that face-to-face connection builds that networking, these nodes. That's what we're doing. That's what you're doing. I think that's also why the, you know, mainstream strength are trying to attack the atmosphere. They're seeing a giant node forms that they're seeing, this connection point for all these men, all these communities by the millions, you know, between the content creators and the sub communities and the overall atmosphere, there's millions of men and fathers involved and the more we connect face-to-face as well as online, the more these things are going to grow and the more powerful they're going to get. That's why they want to attack them and destroy them. And that's also why meeting up in person is so fucking important. Cause yeah, exactly. You've met and you've networked in with these other guys. It's changed your life. Look at Tanner, AJ and at Lattimore. They're building a workshop coming up soon. I think they have like a little company forward or something like that. That's because they met up in fucking person. That can happen outside of that, but it's a lot more rare. But when you meet some of the guys face-to-face, it just happens organically. You almost can't stop it. It just happens because you share values and being face-to-face like that is going to bring that out whether you like it or not. What's wild too is I just, that thing I shared, TW Beckett, it's all about one word tribe. He, because we met, I ended up in RMG. You took over Patriarch because my sister was having a baby and I couldn't get back. That's Tim that you had a conversation with, with a text. And all the men that came in and followed and heard his story, the only reason they heard his story is because we met and I knew him. So I brought him on and then you took over. It's just the fucking wild way that he's working. He's retweeting my stuff now too to his followers. So I'm like, that's awesome. I see that. I'm like, thank you. That's what I think and when I'm all that. But I'm like, rock in the armor, you know? It's like another way to build this thing up. Yep. And it's extremely important, man, meeting up in person like that. There's nothing more powerful you can do for your life than meet up with a tribe, whether you're a speaker or whether you're an attendee or volunteer, whatever the fuck you're doing or just even like you're saying, like in real life, like some dudes who meet up outside of FOE, maybe three to five guys, they go to a bar or they have coffee or some shit. They talk about life and how to solve their own problems, solve the world problems. And shit happens with that, man. Talking leads to action. You know, it's talking. It's important to walk your talk. It's also important to fucking talk and figure shit out and then take action as a result of that. And that's what happens. You don't want to show up to any 21 convention or you don't want to show up to any meeting fatter, worse dressed, less confident ever. You always have to be improving because you're like, fuck, let's see these guys next week. You know, it's interesting. So this is an old Medusa story, but it was interesting because Medusa being Medusa, crazy BPD chick as she was, she was still kind of like a normie, especially early on in terms of like not understanding anything to do with, you know, internet entrepreneurship, the manuscript and shit like that. And I remember one time early on when I met her, she was looking at the DVDs we used to have for the convention back on the day. And so it was like 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, we would make DVDs from each conference with each speech on it. And she was like looking at the fucking the DVD covers and she was seeing the speakers that kept speaking. They would get like leaner, stronger, they'd look better and healthier. And she was like fucking stunned. She's like, how do these men, she was like, how do these people get leaner and healthier as they get older? Like this is like the opposite of like daily life for people. They get fatter and sicker and they look like shit over time because they don't take care of themselves and they have bad habits and bad values and stuff. At the convention, it's the opposite. We come together and then it's like this super charged thing where guys lose weight, they build businesses, they get healthier, they have better relationships and stuff, they turn their marriages around even their families and stuff. So yeah, it's a super concentrated network. It's because we're meeting up in person. It's the highest level of connection is meeting up in person, face to face. There's nothing more personal and intimate than doing that in terms of, on the scale, right? And meeting up, you know, online connection is cool, but it's nothing like, you know, in certain ways, especially something like this with face to face contact and audio versus texting on Twitter and YouTube and screaming at somebody, all caps, like, fuck dude, you should see the comments. Dude, the presidential address I put out, I've never gotten that many negative comments in my life. Not much heat, it was crazy dude. Like the shit that you didn't see in public that's just like our guys deleted their stuff and just banned these guys. It was like nasty fucking shit dude. Like it was- People get wild, like emotionally unhinged, it's insane and we laugh about it, but like seriously, for you to feel that way in that extreme, you need help. Like you need some serious, like deal with whatever the hell's going on. Yeah, it was some savage shit, dude. I was like reading this. I'm like, I'm just like laughing. I'm like, yeah, fuck this loser, banned, banned, banned. But the shit was savage. I was like, holy fuck. My content is, it's about family. You know, there's not much risky shit I put out there, but like whenever I put out a list or if I say something about childhood obesity and whatnot. The most popular post is creating your slut. Dude, they love it. Like it's such a good thing. And the title, people don't even read the content, but the title is like so off-putting or like so controversial that I'm like, you didn't even read it. It's amazing. That's literally like my, what's the opus there? The best thing you could, I brought, you know, like that's my thing. But I got a bunch of fucking death threats when I wrote the thing about death threats and when I wrote the thing about how to be a better mother. And like, dude, caps locks, they're like, I hope you fucking die and your family dies. I'm like, what the fuck? Holy shit. Like I'm talking about families. It's insane. I've actually, I'll say this with you on air now. So I always thought that it would be feminists and SJWs that would be the first to give me like serious attacks, death threats, threats of violence, stuff like that. And it wasn't. It was actually like toxic elements of the hemisphere that I'm like surgically removing and throwing in the dumpster right now on fire. And those are the guys actually who happened to be the first in my life to actually threaten to kill me and stuff like that. Guys on my address and shit like that. So that was a surprising. I never thought it would be like that for my own community. Like the shitty elements, you know, the shit hole corner or whatever. But that was surprising. And I always thought it would be feminists and SJWs that would do it or someone like that. And it wasn't. It was just, you know, elements within our community that are toxic and negative, that are unethical, needed to be removed. And it inspired the backlash that I've never seen but dealt with no problem and kicking ass and going forward as always. What's the alternative to? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Unstoppable, that's what, you know, the reason the convention's unstoppable is because I'm unstoppable. And the reason I'm unstoppable is because I choose to be. That's it. It's the fucking choice you have to make. You're asking me like these personal innovation questions. A lot of it's just choice, man. I do believe in free will, at least to a large extent, and you have commander of your own destiny to the extent you're willing to step up to the plate and fucking choose it. So that's what I do. And then everyone else can go fuck themselves. Who's not on that same page with themselves? I expect, you know, the same out of them too. I respect everyone's right to do the same thing and I support them to do that. Usually it's gonna benefit me when they do that. I think men being authentic and connecting together, that's, rational men have very few disagreements. And part of being rational is taking leadership of your own life. And that's why we work so well together at the convention. And then sometimes, you know, there's other stuff, you know, that whatever we don't get along but we figure it out 99% of the time because we're on that same, that same wavelength, you know? That's the thing though, man. That's what you need. That's what you're talking about, you know? Yeah, exactly. 100%. It's while, like, so I've said it before but Jackie calls us, you're the single version of me. She's like, you guys are very similar. Like when you bite something, you don't let go. You have an affinity for the word fuck. She's like, can you both get like the beard? Like we're just like, you know. Well, you had the beard. Yeah, I have a longer beard than you than Hunter Drew, who would have thought? You'll never be able to say that again. I'm on the chase. Nah, but I was thinking about that yesterday actually. This trick I was out with, she knew somebody with the same name as your kid, Kota, right? Yep. Yeah, it was a real rare name. I was like, wow, like a friend of mine has a kid named Kota. That's a, but yeah, I appreciate the comment from your wife on that. Yeah, that we're very similar like that. I think we are, and it's, but you're leading a different life than me for now. But you asked about my personal life, like I definitely want to build a family someday. People see me being this single dude, sending dick pics and shit, and they think it's- The art of the dick pic. The art of the dick pic, yeah. So they're surprised by that. And there's like bloggers talking about it now too. That's secular patriarchy guy. But I mean that 100%, I've said that for years. That was one of the reasons I got married to Medusa is I wanted one of the main reasons, I wanted to build a fucking family. And I think marriage even absent the legal ramifications of it, which is a good idea to avoid. I think that's necessary to do that. You need to have a relationship that's codified or cemented like that, at least socially and in family structures, like both families that know about it and respect it. And that's why I put that together back on the day. And so my personal life, that's what I want to do in my 30s, is get that going at some point. I'm still, you know, I still haven't even dated technically a relationship since my ex-wife I've been purposely like avoiding that and doing another trip for years now. But eventually that will change in my 30s and I'll get into another relationship and we'll see how that goes. And hopefully I can spawn that into a giant family. Like you said, the Conan barbarian with eight children around you or some shit like that. Lying claws and everything. I'm thinking five. Do you think you can have a relationship and a family with 21Con? It seems like you're married to 21Con. It's you. Or maybe you're not married to it, but it's like your twin. You know how like twins are like connected? Like it's, you've got a twin that you've got to answer to. And if she doesn't like 21Con, she can't like you. I thought about that. Yeah, I thought about this a lot actually. One of the things I'll tell you right now on a very personal level, when I left that relationship with my ex-wife, the marriage and all that shit and that shit went down, found out she was a hooker and all that shit. My life is just, dude, my life's just ridiculous, man. Like, I mean, it's not just this year. It's like every year of my life has just been this wild ride of like, holy fuck, what's gonna happen next? Like, what am I gonna do next? And how am I gonna kick ass next? Like, here's what we're gonna do next. But I realized with her that I thought she was the first woman I'd ever loved. And technically that's true. Like it or not, right? You know, it's that can be a tough little swallow after a bad breakup like that. But I also realized, you know, thinking about that back in 2016, after this went down, and especially in the months that followed it, I was like, what's my first love in life? And it wasn't her. It was the convention as my own company. It's not a person, obviously, so that's a little bit different. But in terms of a value and a concept and an organization and a legal entity and these other things, all that wrapped together, I'm like, this is what I love and what I care about. And that's why I fight for it so hard and I fight to further it and move forward in life. So you're saying like I'm married to it or like it's a twin or something. That's not too far from the truth. That's a pretty good description of it. So can I have a family with a relationship? With that, I believe so. If you can do it with a family author and a attorney of excellence, I don't see why I can't. And if I need advice, I know where to go. I have direct access to the best guys in the world. That's the real secret of why I do the convention. I get free advice from all you guys without paying your phone coaching costs. So that's the big secret, the big secret and all that shit. But I'm serious. I mean, I can talk to any of you guys whether it's you or George Bruno or Socrates or anybody. If I need advice on something very personal and very important to me in my life, I can reach out to you guys. The same way the attendees walk up to you guys at the conference and they have coffee with you in the hallway or some shit and they get the advice they need. I'm doing that at a different level than them that's like very personal with you guys too. But that's also why my life is as good as it is because I listen to you guys and I have access to you guys. And see, I think I can put that together in my 30s or 40s and look forward to it. I think it's gonna be fucking awesome. Like I love pro-fatherhood and pro-family tannerers. You're obviously that way too. But tannerer is even, I think, focused on other elements of it and how much that can improve your life as a man being a father and the responsibility that comes with it. It's like no other boy talks about male agency and more of it is we'll save the West first of all, male agency. But even on a personal level, it makes you a better man if you own it and step into it. I think that's hugely important. I think having kids is a really good illustration of that. I anticipate for better, well, it will be for better but independent of my opinion on it, I think having kids actually makes you a lot more responsible as a man. But even it makes you a better businessman because you have so much more riding on the line that's gonna improve your decision-making process. If you have the right values along with it to continue navigating risks and challenges is the best way you can. Some people will pull back from that because they're pussies. But if you're not a pussy and you're still a strong masculine man, you'll actually make, I think, better and better decisions over time. So I think when I have kids and more the better for the most part, if I manage that over time as I have more children, my decision-making process as an entrepreneur will improve because I have children that I love like you do that I care about that are gonna be affected by this. Some men, I think, back down from that they come cowards over time and that's shitty. But like what you're doing, look what you did. You have two kids riding on the line and a wife that did depend on you. Dude, that was not an easy decision. I was like, all right, I'm living in a shed now. Let's do some work. Yeah, it took 400, it took balls of steel to fucking leave your job. You're safe nine to five, it made you money. And to work on your company full-time what you actually care about and you're doing it and you're succeeding. I think one of the reasons you're succeeding and the reason, look at Tanner, Tanner has what, four or five kids now? Who the fuck knows? It's hard to even keep counting. I'm probably up to eight at this point. Just in this conversation, we got pregnant and had another kid. Exactly, which is more of the fucking Marrior, fuck yeah. But I think the reason, dude, I'm amazed that he has so many children who run such a successful little business, the masculine style and parents power. But I think his children and it's his value system too, it's who he is, it's his soul and his character. But also it's his kids. I think he's very strongly motivated by that to succeed and he has the good enough value system to respond to that positively like you are and to take, do risky things and do whatever he's gotta do. I mean, Tanner's a style guy and now he's gonna be the keynote of the next Patriarch, the chief Patriarch of the next conference we do. All in patriarchy, fatherhood and family for men. We need to get a baton. Like I wanna walk him with a torch and hand it over to him and have him walk up. He likes the torch. Let's go. Yeah, I can't wait for you, Noah and Hunter to meet or Hunter, Tanner and Noah, you had three of you to meet. That's gonna be like a meeting of the Patriarchs, like the ultimate little meeting. The trifecta. Trifecta, the perfect triangle of Patriarchs, yeah. Yeah, I can try it. So I think I answered whatever question you had five minutes ago, like I answered it. Yeah, I don't remember what it was, but it was a good answer. Thanks, thanks, man. All right, from the 24th, I've had this banner up for a while. To the 27th, we're running the final convention of the decade. With it being the final convention of the decade and I'm not asking now, but I'm gonna ask when we are there and we're closing that one up, is that gonna be like a little special moment for you to be like, all right, you're closing the door to this one and onto the next, you know, I'm really looking forward to being a part of that and being able to witness it. You've yet to deliver a shitty speech, you know, so I'm looking forward to how you're gonna close out the decade. Thanks, man. No pressure though. Yeah, no pressure, thanks. So it is the 18th and final, an ultimate 21 convention of the decade. Well, it's 18th overall. I mean, 18 since 2007, when the first one popped off. But, you know, 18th one ever final of the decade and of the year, third of the year, it's exciting. I would say that every convention is a very special moment, the end of each one. For me personally, when the lights go off, when everything's done, when I'm the last guy in the room and it shits like winding down, I know that's it. The event will live again in a new iteration in a new edition, whether that's the Patriarch, whether that's even 22Con, whether that's the European edition that we do in Europe, in Poland, whatever iteration will be in the future, that one is dead. It's like, it's a, it's not a child, but it's a, it's just a moment in time, you know, where this, the convention lived, it took life, it was quite literally, we breathed life into it and it took form in real life and now it's dead temporarily. But it goes on to live on video forever, which is cool as fuck. That's why I love, you know, filming it at such a high level and professionally and stuff like that because I know that that content will last indefinitely. And that's what a lot of people don't realize, they get, people obsessed with, you know, YouTube and well, you know, all these like the shows and all these things that goes on in the man's sphere, they're not thinking long-term, they don't understand long-term, like how video works, how evergreen content and ideas and speakers and personalities play out every time. But high quality video is extremely valuable. Dude, we have talks from the 2000s and early this decade, 2011 and 12 and shit that still get viewed every day by thousands of men and they're going to be viewed every day by thousands of men through the 2020s and the 2030s. And whatever new platforms spring up, I can just, you know, transfer that content and migrate it to a new platform. And that's amazing. That's why the, that's why video content is so I think central to the man's sphere, whether it's a show like this or the speeches that we do at a high level. I mean, in my opinion, the professional stuff is extremely important. That's what has the longest durability basically as a video, stuff like that content. Anyway, though, as far as the convention wrapping up, it's a special moment, all of them. End of the decade, that is a big deal. Next year will be another big year. I do think that, you know, the election will have an influence on the man's sphere and what we do, no matter what we do, it's going to be a big influence on it. But yeah, it's going to be a big fucking deal and I'm excited to round it out. I'm not going to lie to you, man. It's been a long year. I'm excited to cross the finish line, finish strong, win and kick ass like we always do. So it's going to be this one will be particularly fucking good. Three in a row like this is fucking, it's a lot. But next year, we're going to do three in a row as well. So next year, it'll be a little bit easier as you get stronger and I become, you know, more mature, more masculine over time. It's only getting better, man. Yeah, yeah, exactly. The future is masculine, but now is masculine too. All right. We got links to all of these things below. We're going to start wrapping this one up. Anthony, is there anything you wanted to leave followers with? If they have any questions or comments, concerns about future conventions, maybe wanted to join this one, see what's going on. Yeah. How can they reach you? Yeah, they can find me on Twitter. That's probably the easiest way at beach muscles. That's beach muscles, like going to beach, having muscles, beach muscles. They can always email the company 21 convention and I'll probably get a notification of it somewhere either directly or by someone working with me. So they can do that, but Twitter is pretty good. And I see all that on Instagram as well, beach muscles 65. They can hit me up there at DM me or whatever they got to do. As far as the convention itself come out, man, this is the final one of the year. It's pretty big. It looks like it'll be our second biggest event ever. We'll have right now over 120 men attending. It's pretty solid. And I'm excited for that to pop off. I'm excited for the guys to be there. The guys who have the balls, the tenacity and the finances to get their shit together and come out to the event. It's life changing. It's the most, I think what you guys and speakers would say is that, and you know, if this is incorrect, let me know, but I think this is what you feel is that 21 convention is like the most underrated experience that you could possibly buy for your life at this point in our entire community. And the guys who attend are like, they're always blown away. They're like, holy fuck. Because it's because of the speakers, man. It's not just me. It's the guys you, the 21 convention is not just me. As much as like I'm married to it and all that. And it's like the super important thing in my life beyond words. The speakers are also what makes this happen. And the team that I built together to put it on was the directors and the film crew and the hotels and all this stuff. But the speakers, man, you sit out there until six in the morning talking to these guys, whatever fucking problems and issues they had going on, whatever they want to improve. Guys like you and AJ and Socrates and all these dudes, you spend the fucking time. You do the hard work with these guys and you do it at the expense of your own sleep. You'll work the whole next day of the convention being a speaker and being there. Dude, I was back down at eight o'clock in the morning. I would have power and app shower and came down. Yeah, you didn't go to sleep. You took a fucking nap, exactly. Because you care about the men there and you care about the content. You care about the ideas. And you care about what's gonna happen to these guys, whether they're gonna go off and build a successful family or if they don't and they're gonna kill themselves. Speakers like you actually fucking care and you show up and you walk your talk. And that's super powerful. And I love seeing that. I don't know how I got on this topic, but... No, I'm looking forward to being a part of it again. And more than anything, the way I view it is that it's the single greatest thing you can do to launch the light. Like you'll always look back and be like all the changes I made, all you know, turning my life around started that convention. I met these 100 plus dudes. I spoke to those content creators. I was able to ask my specific question. I sat down and had a meal with this guy who told me this and it changed my entire perspective on life. And now I've gone from one to 100. But you need something like a crucible. And 21, service is a crucible. You put yourself in uncomfortable situation where you have to speak and air your, it's your opportunity to address these men and you do so and you get out of your own way. And all of a sudden you're like, real results come from real work that happened after this real event. Exactly, fuck yeah. And I'll close out with this. We put out the Q and A panel last year. We had two of them at the event in 2018. And we're not gonna do this for any more probably. We liked the red man group. It was a better platform to function without many speakers. But the Q and A panel was old school for us. And we did that in 2018, we brought it back. We had two of them. You were on the second one and we just put that out like 10 of the speakers. Dr. Glover, Sean Smith, Jack Donovan, Socrates, all these dudes. And I ended up titling it. I was like, what do I title this thing? Q and A panel is boring. And I called it a gathering of Kings. And that's what I've realized the convention is and that's why it's special. I think that's why Elliott Hulse liked it a lot too. All of you guys do your own events. Elliott Hulse does grounding camp. You have a new FOE meetup you did with like 30, 40 dudes. That's powerful for your company and what you guys are doing in your community. Co-Potatoes, The War Room, Tanner Hunter, and excuse me, Tanner, Ed and AJ. They're gonna do their real life workshop in California soon, I think in November. So these are like, these are important meetups and they're getting pretty big. But the 21 conventions where the leaders, the Kings come together at a super high level. And that's what makes, that's part of what makes it unique. That doesn't happen anywhere else in the world for the Manisphere for men. It's men, it's leaders with like real followings and real communities of their own coming together to build this meta convention. That's why it's so fucking powerful. It's nuts, man. Like you can't find, these other events are fucking awesome. I went to grounding camp in New York a few months ago. It's fucking dope as fuck. And that's, that's Elliott's big thing. And Elliott's a big guy who does speaker and stuff. But he loves coming to the convention because he meets other Kings like you, Kings of your own little tribes where you have guys who support you and follow you willingly. They volunteer to do it because you're a good leader of what you're doing and you're good at helping them. So we bring all these Kings together, these leaders. It's like, holy fuck. And whether that's the King of Toxic Masculinity like Covertate when I interviewed him in Poland or the King of the family of the family alpha like you or whatever you know the guys doing. You guys are Kings, you're true leaders in your own life and your own space and your own little communities. And by bringing that together, it's like the super charge experience. The sum is greater than the parts in this case, substantially, like it amplifies it. And that's why it's such a positive experience for the attendees too. It's like this life-changing thing and rant. Hey, thanks for coming on. And more than anything though, thanks for, I want to say keeping it real but I feel like it doesn't do it justice. Like showing the real picture, you know every time we come on, you have a choice. You can say a script or you can just fucking free flow and be raw. And every time you've come on here and every conversation we've had, you know in person or not, it's been raw. And that's what's needed in the world. So, I appreciate it man, raw dog lives matter. Fucking hey, raw dog lives matter. Thanks for coming on. Everybody, the links are below. You can find them on Twitter. You can find all the links to all the conventions. Subscribe to the 21 University. It is literally Netflix for men. You will not reach the end of the rabbit hole because it keeps on being populated with more. So even if you were to watch every single video by the time you're done with that, 50 more popped up. Look, invest in yourself. It's better than fucking anything else you could do. You got one life, live it to the fullest. So thanks for tuning in and I'll see you guys this Wednesday, zero eight Eastern standard time, Wednesday.