 Today, we're going to talk about Sarah Boone and she's in trouble for having her boyfriend in a suitcase and then he passed away. Greg, why don't you tell us about the videos we're going to watch? Yeah, quite simply, the first video is the police arriving on scene and then detectives later, the first set of videos. So what we're going to see is her first reaction to law enforcement showing up. There's no nothing dramatic. We don't even know what comes of her as a result of this set of videos. So that's what we got. Each of them has to put their names in the show. Probably we all just, I just put everybody. There you go. It's working. Um, what's going on? I'm sorry. I just got here so feel me in. No problem. He and I are going to puzzle together. We've been doing some artwork together at home. You were putting a puzzle together? Yes. We have a puzzle that we started in there. Okay. We've been doing art, trying to take the stuff off the wall to make new art put up there. Like having a good time with one another. But we're drinking. We had a bottle of wine last night. Okay. We decided to play hide and seek. Right? Okay. So he gets in the suitcase. Okay. Who was this guy? That's my ex-husband. My former husband. Did he live here with you guys? No. I called him over here. Okay. Okay. I didn't know what to do. Okay. I didn't know what to do. Okay. So then he came over here. Here. Let's talk and find it. Okay. I called you guys. Mm-hmm. I tried giving him the suitcase. The problem is, I fell asleep. I fell asleep. When did you do CPR? This morning. When I found it. Before you called. Yes! I want to talk right now. I tried. I was awake, but I actually got out of the bed at like 12, 30 ish. Whatever. So I came downstairs. And I was like, oh! He's in the suitcase still. But boy, that's when I found him. And I took him out. And I tried doing CPR. And then I called him. And then I called you guys. Did he get here before the fire department got here? Who? Your husband? Your ex-husband? Yes. Okay. Where did he go that? Right on the street. Okay. So you were playing and you whipped him up. I did. But then I fell asleep. Okay. Okay. You okay? I wasn't here. I'm just trying to figure out what happened. I fell asleep. I don't know if he suffocated her. Like had an aneurysm or a heart attack or what. What kind of medical conditions did you have? None that I know of. None that I know of. He didn't take any medical. None that I know of. No. None that I know of. All we had was a bottle of wine. Literally. Just a bottle of wine. Okay. Doing puzzle artwork. Then we decided to play hide and seek. Okay. That's all that happened. Okay. Okay. So I don't know if he had an heart attack or what in there. Like I don't know what happened. So how long were you doing CPR on him prior to you falling out on one? You tried that all morning? Yes. Okay. And then I called him while I was doing CPR. What time did you start? Probably giving me a rough ballpark. Here. Let me fill this deputy in. Okay. Please marry my Dr. Pepper. I am still cutting out right now. Hi, Greg. What do you got? Yeah. So in the time that you were in the hospital, did you have a heart attack? No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Okay. In the time that we are looking at, this is her first contact with the police. Now one of the things that you always know is that people are not accustomed to dealing with police officers because they don't know the difference between a patrolman and a detective and they start feeding information. The reason I have this true crime workshop thing up is that's exactly the whole approach in true crime workshop. We talk about that very difficult time for people to know the difference. So when the first cop shows up, she starts feeding information to that cop like that's the investigator. When in fact, most of the time that cop is going to try to pick up a few details and secure the area and wait for the officer in charge of the detective to come in and start asking the right questions. Immediately she starts, it sounds like a bad 911 call, she starts clearing instead of, you know, we talk about steering versus clearing, steering you to the solution means that I want this solved. Clearing means hey, I didn't do anything wrong. Now, does that mean that a person's guilty? Well, clearly we know she was involved with this. So she's going to try to get out of it as much as she can. When she's talking about what they were doing, there's a lot of illustrators. If I were the cop, I would say hold on a minute, you had somebody get in a suitcase would be my first question. But that's not what she asked. She has a great job of continuing to ask even though it looks like something that is hard that almost impossible to believe that a person is in a suitcase. So when she starts to talk, then she rattles along the way it was art, it was this non pertinent information, things that have nothing to do with a guy dying. But when she gets to the crux of the matter about getting in the suitcase, she eye blocks. And so then we, and she does a qualifier, she says, we decided to play hide and seek. I don't know how getting in a suitcase is hide and seek, you know, where somebody's at, for sure. I don't know what you'd call that. I think there's a whole lot of questions I'd want to ask if I was sitting here. You see that burp that could be gastric distress from the stress, but it's highly likely that it's a hangover because she says I'm cotton mouth. She talks all through this thing about how she's feeling. The crux of her story, though, is where she gets really animated when she says I fell asleep and she's really animated. That's what she's trying to do is to get that message across more than any other part of this, more than any other part. And you can see that desperation in her face and in her voice, because the story isn't working like she wanted it to. The woman's asking her questions that she was not wanting to get out. She gets emphatic. And then she does this thing where she starts to draw her hands in. Her hands start to draw up and that's useful. When I look at somebody whose hands are doing that, I've seen it a few times in my life in real life and under high duress, people's hands will ball up and they'll curl up in the floor, but your hands are becoming useless to you when you are curling your fingers together. And the only way I can equate that is I don't have the tools to do this. I think I've heard Lena Cisco call it the claw of something, claw of deception or something like that. That's her words for it. So seeing a person's hands do this is an interesting one. Then she introduces this perp, vanishing perpetrator chase. There's no vanishing perpetrator here. I think she's bringing the perpetrator to the dance early when she says we drank a bottle of wine and that was all. She's got some residual emotion that looks good when she shows shock and fear and all that stuff. We always say truthful people show when something has happened. And I'm not going to take the rest of this. There's a whole lot of stuff in here. She tries to edit as she's speaking. She throws out those words, just individual words like puzzles, artwork, something's going on. And then when the woman validates her story and said you did CPR on morning, yes, she jumps on to validate it. Chase, what do you got? Yeah, I agree with you on all those points. One thing that really stood out to me in this clip here is that the story is completely chronological. And this is a huge red flag, but there's an exception to this. If you say walk me through everything that happened and you tell them to be chronological, you can't call that a red flag. She was not suggested to do this. That would be a pretty big red flag. Most stories for investigators, most stories after any huge incident will start with the incident or that will have the center stage, not the entire lead up in the story. So the emotional spikes are usually at the beginning. And then she starts offering possible medical conditions, possible causes of death, injecting more ambiguity into the situation. And I think the story is prearranged and rehearsed and every detail is added in there. She gets offended when she's asked when she started doing CPR. And this video clip alone would have me believing that there was deception and that I am probably talking to the suspect. If I was that officer taking those notes, I would think just because of this one clip, I am talking to my prime suspect right here, just based on those couple of things. Scott, what do you got? All right. This is the classic first encounter with the suspect or the suspect with the police. The officer goes over to the discovery of the body and all the information she can gather at that point, all the things that Greg talked about. Everything in here is so classic. Everybody's going to cover these. So Mark, I won't take the rest of them that everybody else has. And I'll briefly go over some of the other things. Like Greg was saying, she covers things that have nothing to do with what happened. When you get there, this is basically the 911 call or her version of it or another version of it. And going back to the burp where Greg talked about where she burps, we've seen that before on the guy from the Jinx. What was that guy's name? Dirst. Oh yeah, Dirst. Yeah. So I think your stomach's, I think you're right. Greg, it could be from a hangover, it could be from, but from one bottle of wine, I wonder how that would happen. Okay. Yeah. So, yeah. So I think that they could probably be that or when she's lying, it's starting to dawn on her how much trouble she's going to be in. So her stomach may be getting upset a little bit and may start churning a little bit on her. Let's talk about blink rate just a little bit. Her blink rate, it slows down, it speeds up, it slows down, it speeds up. And there are several theories about why our blink rate speeds up. And one of the ones that I always lean toward is the Joan of Arro theory where he talks about how it goes back to how we were animals on the Serengeti, you know, back in the long time ago. And when our limbic system pops off because some chasers are getting ready to chase us, we see a tiger or some animals getting ready to get us. Our heart rate jumps up. Our breathing rate goes up. And we start to, to make sure our eyes are clean because they started getting dry because everything starts drying up as you, as your heart beats faster, prepared and all your muscles to start running. And I think that's, and I agree with Joe when he says he thinks that's more of a, like a window cleaning situation, like a windshield wiper to make sure your eyes are clean and clear. So you'll see what all is going on around you when you start, so when you start running, you'll have a better chance of getting away. Then she explains, she goes from, we were playing hide and go seek to the problem of what happens is that she fell asleep. And I'm with Greg. I don't know what kind of game you're playing where somebody, you're going to talk somebody into getting into a suitcase and then letting them zip it up. That's crazy talk. And how's that hide and seek? Well, you know where they're hiding. There's no hiding there and there's no seeking there, except him, I guess, seeking a way out corny, but that's, there's a lot more in there, but I'll leave some for you, Mark. Yeah. Look, so I would say pretty immediately, this is the person, this is the perpetrator, just like you say Chase, it's, it's immediately apparent. However, I'm not there. What does the person who's there think? Well, I think she thinks this is the perpetrator as well, because you'll see a little moment where the interviewer pulls her hair back. There's no reason for her to pull her bare back. Her hair isn't in her eye. And she does that after the Penelope pit stop, like, yes, yes, that she, which is like the Penelope pit stops, hey, help, help. Just for the, for the fans out there of Penelope pit stop, there's that extreme, look, it's not that you're a liar if you talk like that, it's just it's so out of baseline for her that even the interviewer reacts and pulls back, imagines pulling back her hair. She knows that this is the, the culprit, I think. When did you first do CPR? There's a head tilt from her on there. So I think she's judging the threat in front of her. By the way, earlier on as well, lots of indirect gestures as well. Look, this is an important thing. Somebody's died. You'd expect if you're being interviewed that you want to give really direct information rather than kind of fluffy and airy and watery information, but she's all, you know, flowery and watery and airy over here, not direct. Then we get it's, it's one o'clock right now. So there's a, there's an idea that there's no logic to this. When did you first do CPR this morning? The head tilts. Then it's one o'clock right now. She says, I tried in a heightened tension. Then she composes herself as she thinks to herself, okay, I've got to get this story right now. She says, I was awake and then there's lots of fillers, but actually ish whatever like. So it really goes badly for her from moment one. I think the officer attending here knows this is most likely the person involved. Oh, and then she goes for the Dr. Pepper at the end. Again, notice the way she asks for the Dr. Pepper without any of the emotion that she was trying to put forward around the, the issue, the death that's gone on. Very strange, very odd. We've got a live one here. Trying to take the stuff off the wall to make new art out of there. Like having a good time with one another, but we're drinking. We had a bottle of wine last night. So then it's like we decided to play hide and seek, right? Okay. So he gets in the suitcase. Okay. Who is this guy? That's my ex-husband. My former husband. How did he, did he live here with you guys? No, I called him over here. Okay. Okay. I didn't know what to do. Okay. I didn't know what to do. Okay. So then he came over here. Here, let's talk and find it. Okay. I called you guys. The problem is I fell asleep. I fell asleep. When did you do CPR? This morning. When I found it before you called. Yes. I called right now. I tried. I was awake, but I actually got out of the bed at like 1230 ish, whatever. So I came downstairs and I was like, Oh, he's in the suitcase still. That's when I found him. I took him out and I tried doing CPR and then I called him and then I called you guys. Did he get here before the fire department got here? Who? Your husband? Yeah, your ex-husband. Yes. Okay. Where the two of that? Right down the street. Okay. So you were playing and you did some up-denture. I did, but did I fell asleep? Okay. Okay. You're okay. I don't, I wasn't here. I'm just trying to figure out what happened. I fell asleep. I don't know if they suffocated her. Like had an aneurysm or a heart attack or what? What kind of medical conditions did you have? None that I know of. None that I know of. None that I know of. None that I know of. None that I know of. None that I know of. No, no, no. All we had was a bottle of wine, literally just a bottle of wine. Okay. If you were puzzled, artwork, then we decided to play hide and seek. That's all that happened. Okay. So I don't know if he had a heart attack or what in there. Like I don't know what happened. So how long were you doing CPR on him prior to you falling out on one? You tried that all morning? Yes. Okay. And then I called him while I was doing CPR. What time did you start probably giving me a wet ball part? Here, let me feel this step in. Okay. Please marry my Dr. Pepper. I am still cutting out right now. So you've had a second to kind of collect yourself. Tell it to me again. You guys were playing last night, drinking a bottle of wine, putting puzzles together, doing artwork, puzzles, artwork. Had a bottle of wine and then decided to play hide and seek. So what time was that? Do you remember? I mean, I know that I was bed probably by like, what, 12, 30? Okay. Well, I went upstairs at least and I fell asleep. Okay. Forgetting that he was in the suitcase. So you guys were playing the hide and go seek? Yes. And at some point you put him in the suitcase? No, he got in the suitcase. So he thought it'd be funny to be put in the suitcase. So I was like, okay, well, I'm going to joke with you and I'll zip you up and make him, you know, score him a little bit, whatever it is. But then I fell asleep. I fell asleep. Where was the suitcase? Right where it is. Right down there? Yes. You zipped him in there? Yes. Thought he would be funny a little bit. It was. We both were laughing about it. And then I fell asleep. Where did you fall asleep at? Upstairs. In your bedroom? Yes. Okay. Totally forgetting that he was in the suitcase still. Okay. And then you came back downstairs this morning? Or this afternoon? Yes, when I got up. What time? 12, 30 ish. I was awake, but I totally forgot that he was in the suitcase. He can tell you there's a lot of things that I slash we have been doing jobs. Yeah, he did tell me. All that good stuff. So I just totally forgot. So you began to do CPR on him? Yes. Yes. About what time this morning did you start doing that CPR? No, it was the afternoon. It was the afternoon because I was awake. But then I finally decided to come downstairs at like 12, 30 ish, whatever it is. And I was like, he wasn't moving, nothing was happening. So I unzipped him, took him out and started doing CPR on him. He was on his way over here. I called you when he got here. Once he got here, you called us? Yes. Okay. And he like air was coming out and he was gurgling, but I could just tell by looking at him. But you knew how to do CPR. You doing that on your own? Yes. Okay. And then the person that was on the phone with me also, I counted with him doing. And he's gotten a medical. He doesn't take any medication. I don't know. Like I don't know. Medical wise, like what I know he doesn't take any medications whatsoever. Um, the only thing, like I said, I don't know if alcohol had to do with that, but we had a bottle of wine. Okay. All right. Cheers. I want you to sit back down because I don't want you to have one more sip of water, please. Yeah, go go home. I'll do what I can to get you a cup because I don't want you to have to be doing that. The cops are like right there. Can I have a cigarette, please? Ma'am, I can't take anything out of the house. It's on the back porch. Nope. All of it. It's secure. Okay. I'll try my best to get you what you need. Okay. Maybe one of these deputies has a pack from someone, but, you know, sit down and I'll try and get you what you need. Okay. Just cut, please. Okay. I don't want you on your feet. All right. If you don't know who we are, we're the behavior panel. And I'm Scott Rasmussen, a body language expert and analyst, and I train law enforcement in the military and interrogation in body language. And I created the truecrimeworkshop.com, which is the only online, uh, truecrime, uh, course you can take with Greg Hartley. Mark. I'm the only, uh, truecrimemartbodin.com, uh, help people all over the world stand out, win trust, gain credibility every time they communicate, including some of the leaders of the G seven chase use.com. Hi, I'm chase use. I specialize in false crimes. I did 20 years of US military. I wrote the number one bestselling book on behavior, profiling, influence and persuasion. And I teach those things to people to change their lives today. Greg Hartley. I'm a former army interrogator, interrogation instructor, resistance to interrogation instructor, pretend book on body language and behavior. And I spend most of my time on Wall Street corporate America. All right. All right, Mark, what do you got? Yeah, lovely. So, um, just a couple of things on this. Uh, she says she zipped it up, make you squirm a little bit, whatever it is, make you squirm a little bit, whatever it is. So I love this phrase of whatever it is that she uses. She uses it on 1230 as well, came down 1230, whatever it is. So, by the way, I think the attending officer here doing a fantastic job of getting a lot of information out of it. I'm not in this position, but if I were, I would want to get more information out of her on what do you mean, whatever it is, not only within this act of, um, of putting somebody in a suitcase, you know, why, why, whatever it is, what more is there to that? Cause clearly it isn't about, uh, making you squirm a little bit, the whatever it is suggests there's something else, something more. The whatever it is on 1230 suggests it's not quite accurate. It isn't exactly that. So that's where I'd want to jump in on that. Whatever it is, it's indefinite. It's indirect. There's a point to jump in and go, so what exactly do you mean by that? Or what really were your intentions around this? Greg, what do you got on this one? Yeah, Mark, I love that because anytime there's something we don't understand, we should clarify and it might mean nothing to what we always say about all this stuff guys. It might not mean a single thing, but it might. It might be the thing that unhinges the entire story. So if it's filler, it filler is there for reason. If it's something to hide something, it's there for reason. Interesting to me when she comes in, she's got to look of disbelief. I'm sorry, standing beside her. First of all, let's go back and talk about the law enforcement officer who's not talking to her and look at the disbelief on his face. Look at him doing the chained elephant. At that look of he's just come out of the house. There's a guy in a suitcase, unimaginable kind of a thing. So he's just sitting there going, okay, whatever. And you see him kind of looking down to his right. There's an emotional eye accessing. Then you see her come out and she goes to emphatic approval when you deliver her message. When she said hide and go, see, yes, there's that emphatic again. We keep seeing her do that anytime you're delivering her message, she's emphatic. Now she does mouth touching when she gets to this point. I forgot he was in the suitcase. That's comforting for some people could be thinking, but we're going to see her pressing on her skin on her face a lot of times. And we're going to see her that progressively rise up, not from down low, but the more apprehensive people get often, the more you'll see their shoulders rise, things get tight, tighter and higher. You hear their voices rise. Mark, you always say when they get to that respiration, when it gets so light that their voice starts coming out from here and not below, you see all that in her as we start this whole thing. She's iterative storytelling, iterative storytelling. When she touches her mouth, it could be, oh my God, but I don't think so. I think she's telling a piece and letting it out. She has planned what she's going to say when these people show. Now, did she talk with her former husband about that? Don't know. But she has planned what she intends to say. The interesting piece and we all know that she would be our first suspect. We've all said that. But where is the horror or remorse in any of this? That makes you immediately go, okay, she's already planning what she's going to say. And then she says, you know, we've had problems. She's already starting to disparage and chaff. So she's trying to say, boom. Now, this is interesting because later I could use it in interrogation. And I would then ask her, well, maybe you guys had baggage, you wanted him to suffer or what, whatever you're going to say, I would use that and say, yeah, maybe you didn't intend to kill him. You just wanted to torture him. You want to do this to him. You don't want to do that. So that's a lead she's giving right now. This, the cool part is this detective just doesn't pay any or this, this officer doesn't pay any attention. She just moves right along. Then the woman moves. Sarah moves across what I call egg protector. She crosses her primary sex organs by that. I mean, her ovaries with her arm to protect. And she touches her mouth. Those are red flags. Now, there's also the part where she is hung over clearly and all that water, all that needs for that water she's hung over. So there's all kinds of things going on with that. Then she says, we had a bottle of wine, just like people have two drinks when they're pulled over for DUI. That's what I think. Scott, what do you got? All right. This is where we sort of get a little bit more into the story, a little deeper in the story. When she answers the questions or her answers are much too fast. These should be, I mean, there should be a sense of urgency, but not like bang, not like right out of the gate like that. So that tells you that she's probably got these just moments before that she's prepped these because she can see these questions coming and she's making sure to get her point across about fall asleep for like the 40th time. We'll see it a thousand more times in here. She puts her hand up to her mouth and we do that to help calm us down. It's, it's sort of mid adapter. When we touch our lips, that sends a signal to the brain to relax. And so that's what she's doing. As we go through this, we'll see her touch her face, rubber mouth, rubber face, all those kinds of things. Those are the things that are going to help her calm down and get rid of that built up stress or tension. And then she's hoping to high heaven that this guy's had a stroke or heart attack while he's in there because she's saying, I don't know, maybe he's had a stroke or a heart attack, in other words. So she's hoping this thing has gone wrong on his end. So she didn't get nailed for it. I don't know what they would call it at this point. I don't know if it'd be murder or manslaughter or what. She hopes she didn't get nailed for that. My favorite part though is when she drinks out of the, out of the water faucet there on the end, she wipes her, wipes her whole face and her nose off on her, on her shoulder. I mean, we used to do that in like the fifth grade when we're out running around and stuff. So it's, it's, it's odd singing an adult do that. So she must be at this point really thirsty, obviously, but in a, in a situation where her limbic system is just on fire right now and she's heating up and getting thirsty in, in, in sort of a panic mode. But I think you're right, Greg, we're not seeing the, the emotions on her face that we see the expressions. We're not seeing what we should be seeing on that. There's a lot missing from here. This, and from video one to here, like we've all said, it's deception, deception, deception, something's up. You can see it on her. Chase, what do you got? Yeah, I agree with all the, all the one, I'll just add two things here. The emotion that she's experiencing is all about her experience. So I think that is a cornerstone of this police, first police officer contact deception. She redirects to the details and quickly runs through the experience of finding him very quickly. And when you see this little increase in speed, keep in mind it depends on who you're talking to. It's typically a desire to get something that's rehearsed out as fast as possible. It shortens the amount of time that that person is experiencing stress. As far as I know, there's no research for this, but I think human beings are not all the same. And I hope you would at least agree with that. And that means not all are identical specimens that can be perfectly replicated in a lab, which is why some of these things are not in peer reviewed research. We can't duplicate that stuff. So in a situation like this, experience is very important. And I believe he probably got into the suitcase on his own. I do believe that Hal, I have no idea, but she's calm when she's talking about that one detail. This mouth covering behavior is very common in people who've lost somebody and they're trying to make a statement, except that in this video, it's out of place in this clip. It's in all the places we would expect emotion and there's not much emotion at all. And in most cases you would see it during the discovery of the body and during talking about this shocking moments, more likely when we're going to see mouth covering behaviors. Here we see it all in a place specifically in the moments that are potentially deceptive. And just for the record, she hasn't mentioned his name one time yet. She says him and he So you've had a second to kind of collect yourself, tell it to me again. You guys were playing last night, drinking a bottle of wine, putting puzzles together, doing artwork, puzzles, artwork, had a bottle of wine and then decided to play hide and seek. So what time was that? Do you remember? I mean, I know that I was bed probably by like, what, 12 30? Okay. Well, I went upstairs at least and I fell asleep forgetting that he was playing the hide and go. Yes. And at some point you put him in the suit. No, he got in the suitcase. So he thought it'd be funny to be put in the suitcase. So I was like, okay, well, I'm going to joke with you and I'll zip you up and make him, you know, score him a little bit, whatever it is. But then I fell asleep. I fell asleep. Where was the suitcase? Right where it is. Right down there. Yes. You zipped him in there. Yes. Thought he would be funny a little bit. It was. We both were laughing about it. And then I fell asleep. Where did you fall asleep at? Upstairs. In your bedroom. Yes. Okay. Totally forgetting that he was in the suitcase still. Okay. And then you came back downstairs this morning or this afternoon. Yes, when I got up. What time? 12 30 ish. I was awake, but I totally forgot that he was in the suitcase. He can tell you there's a lot of things that I slash we have been doing jobs. Yeah, he did tell me. All that good stuff. So I just totally forgot. So you began to do CPR on him? Yes. Yes. About what time this morning did you start doing that? No, it was the afternoon. It was afternoon because I was awake, but then I finally decided to come downstairs at like 12 30 ish, whatever it is. And I was like, no, I forgot he was in the suitcase and he wasn't moving. Nothing was happening. So I unzipped him, unzipped him, took him out and started doing CPR on him. He was on his way over here. I called you when he got here. Once he got here, you called. Yes. Okay. And he like air was coming out and he was gurgling, but I could just tell by looking at him, but you knew how to do CPR. You doing that on your own? Yes. Okay. And then the person that was on the phone with me also, I counted with him doing and he's gotten a medical. He doesn't take any medication. I don't know. Like, I don't know medical wise. Like what I know he doesn't take any medications whatsoever. Um, the only thing, like I said, I don't know if alcohol had to do with it, but we had a bottle of wine. Okay. All right. Cheers. I want you to sit back down because I don't want you to have one more sip of water. Yeah, go, go on. I'll do what I can to get you a cup because I don't want you to have to keep doing that. The cops are like right there. Right here. Don't talk to the ex husband right now. Can I have a cigarette please? Ma'am, I can't take anything out of the house. It's on the back porch. Nope. All of it. It's secure. Okay. I'll try my best to get you what you need. Okay. Maybe one of these deputies has a pack from someone, but you know, sit down and I'll try and get you what you need. Okay. Just cut please. Okay. I don't want you on your feet. It's natural. You're nervous. You have your anxiety. You're scared, right? It's okay. You don't have to. I don't know how to. I could tell you this. I'm going to be here just as long as you are. Including my I'm welcoming this breeze right now. It's kind of warm. All right. So just bear with us. All right. Let me look at my computer seat. All right. Chase, what do you got? This video is just a person seeking some kind of update to her status. Nothing to do with the case. Nothing to do with the discovery. Nothing to do with the police. It's all about what's going to happen to me and people who are honest have no problem saying what's going to happen to me. What's going on with me? When can I go? When can I go home? I'm getting out of here. People who are guilty have a hard time asking that question. A, they probably don't want to know the answer. And B, they don't want to look suspicious because they feel suspicious already. That's all I got on that one. Mark? Yeah, nice. Look, and I think these officers are great, by the way, in my opinion. This guy, I think he knows he's got the perpetrator as well. Because here's what he says. He says, you're nervous, anxiety, scared, right? He doesn't say, you're upset, you're distraught, you're in shock. Because if somebody had died in my home, especially somebody who I had a really, really strong relationship with, I would be upset. I would be distraught. I would be in shock, for sure. He doesn't mention any of those things because I don't think he's seeing any of those things. And I think he knows why he's not seeing any of those things. What he sees is nervousness, anxiety, and fear, scared. And he calls them out. Well, just as you were saying, Chase, she's looking for information. She wants to know, can you give me any updates? And so, yeah, he kind of calmly goes over to his car and says, yeah, I'll look on my computer. See what I can find for you. There. Super calm. Great. Great officer. Greg, what do you got on this one? Yeah, she's doing a lot of adapting here. When we say adapting, it can be any kind of nervous energy release. And I often say it's a way to make the unknown known, the uncomfortable, comfortable. In my years of working around prisoners, when you capture people, those things really, really roll up because now they're in a new place, they have to make themselves comfortable, maybe playing with their nails, twirling their hair, pinching themselves, all kinds of stuff. And you're seeing that showing up in her. She's trying to make herself comfortable. She's starting what I call her intelligence collection about what's happening. Look, most of us have not been involved with the death of a loved one. And so, we are especially with a police investigation. So what's next? I think you're right, Chase. It's normal. But whether she's being deceptive about all the details about what happened or not, it's clear that she's admitted she's been involved. So she's asking what's next. What she isn't asking that's interesting is what's going to happen to him? What's next? When does his body get taken care of? Where does that go? And if you're really close to somebody, there's no rub, none of that. You think a lot about that person who is lying back there and something has happened to whether you caused it or not. So it makes you then start to wonder, yes, she's not the warmest of people about this guy. So then that gives me a reason to ask those questions later. We're building a profile of who this person is as we go into interrogation. Once you get into interrogation, things change. And remember, what she has done is identified him as not authority. She's talking to him like a guard. She's not talking to him like somebody who is collecting information. That's an interesting piece of it because she talked to that other officer very differently. In an interrogation, we plug guards into cells who befriend our prisoners and they give them information all the time. It's a powerful tool. Scott, what do you got? All right. Since you guys cover most everything, I'll talk about why she's sitting there. They're doing a great job of just letting her sit there. Here, you sit over here. We'll be back in a few minutes and let that stuff wind up in her brain and keep the letter bounce, all that stuff around. I'm not, I'm going to the impression it's not a very big brain because of the way she, because of her vernacular sitting structure and the things she repeats. I don't think we're dealing with somebody who's super smart here. No offense to anybody and all that, but she's not very smart. I think we're going to see that come through a little bit later on as well in a really big way. She's talking about how she's dizzy and she's weak because she's worried and her brain is starting to, like I was saying before, is to loop up and start looping that thing, what's going to happen next, what's going to happen next, what's going to happen next. She's not worried about her physical appearance, how she looks at other people. A lot of times in situations like that, you don't. But the way she's sitting and the way she's wiping her face on her chin and all this kind of things, there's something, I think something's missing here anyway, right out of the gate with this person. It seems to me like, anyway, I don't know. I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist, but that behavior looks a little bit odd to me, that lack of worrying how you look to others. I know when something dramatic or traumatic happens, we don't care what we look like. That's the last thing on her mind. She's had time to sit there and think, going to straighten up and at least get some composure about her. She has none. She's pretty hungover too. Yeah. Yeah. That could be 90% of it, could be that she's hungover. But again, she's not showing the right, like Mark was saying, she's not showing the emotions she should be showing. She's not showing anything. She's just, I mean, that should be there. It's just somebody sitting there on the sidewalk, worried about what's going to happen to them. It's natural, you're nervous. You have your anxiety, you're scared, right? It's okay. You don't have to. I could tell you this. I'm going to be here just as long as you are, including my I'm welcoming this place right now. All right, so just bear with us. All right. Let me look at my computer. See, she wants to say something. So that what we will not know the answer to that because we're not doctors. So what's going to happen is tomorrow morning, I'll know a lot, hopefully a lot more tomorrow morning as far as it is. But I cannot, there's no way I could say how, why. So just by looking at it, I'm like, why is it purple? Oh, that's just, that's normal. Run. Whatever you need to do. We can talk about that more in plain, but yeah. Like not intentional. Like about to like Greg, what do you got? Yeah, this is an interesting one because here we're going to see the difference. Now we've been talking to patrolmen or officers, whatever they call, wherever they are, and they are there to sequester the scene to make sure nobody crosses to make sure everything's safe and that nothing else happens in effect. They'll collect information, but the detectives when they show up are going to go after information immediately. I don't know if she can tell the difference. I know she knows that there's somebody else, but I don't know that she understands that delineation. A lot of people don't. And if you're ever dealing with a crime, you'll have to pay attention to know that difference. There's a lot of nervous energy, and there should be here for her. She's doing that thing I call the egg protector, and she's face touching a lot. She should be nervous because something's just changed. She may even be biting her nail. I couldn't tell. Whether she knows her now or not now, these guys are driving everything that happens. She starts trying to collect and tell. She starts asking them questions. Do you know why? That's a really dangerous game. If you are the perpetrator and you are in this situation, because if I were talking to her, elicitation immediately, I would turn around and go, what would your guess be, Sarah? Boom. I would turn it right around on her, or I would do a provocative statement. Well, we think it's cause, boom, just to see how she responded. That's awkward. And I think it's very difficult the way they respond. When they first start to respond, the woman says that, well, we'll know a lot more tomorrow as far as him. You could easily have just said, hey, what can you do to help us out? But they don't. They start down a different path, and we'll see where that goes over time. But as she gets more apprehensive, the thing I was just telling you, she's a great example of it because all this part of her body, all of the muscles from like in her costals and up are tightening and drawing her up to the point where her hands are in front of her face and she's shrinking. She's turning into this little image of herself, not even the same person. So she's now gone from a single mouth barrier to double-praying hands at her mouth, showing that she's feeling more stress than she's rising. And when that isn't enough, sacred space, what I mean by sacred space, is burying and releasing nervous energy, she does both hands to her mouth. That's, and then she does something really idiosyncratic. I'd look for this again. She does that thing where her chin boss pushes out and she puts her like a little hamster or something. He puts her hands up under her jaw. It's a really weird thing that I've not seen that in people. So it's something for her. And then the guys say, while we're here, nothing's going to happen to you. They're already starting to move in the position of protector and caregiver and that. I'm not going to go over and over much more of this because there's a lot in here. But I do see her lower lip withdrawal. And then I think this woman sees authority as like a kid talking to a principal. And I think if you play that right, you get something. If you play that wrong, you lose them. Chase, what do you got? Yeah, we're seeing a whole lot of fear. So if you just look at, if you rewatch this clip with no sound and just say our arteries and organs being protected regularly here, we're seeing a lot of that. And I think it's interesting, we hear the phrase and I think I'm quoting this directly like totally not intentional like, which I thought was pretty interesting. And she's vacillating here like Greg was saying between the uterus and neck protection back and forth covering neck, covering the lower abdomen. And instead of using his name, she just becomes curious about the gurgling sound. Why not stressed about it, not worried about it, not traumatized by it, not shocked by it, just wants to wants a little science lesson there. I thought that was super strange. This is where if I'm the detective, I might have a prop and have like one of those little tiny digital voice recorders and say, does this belong to you or your boyfriend? Do you know who placed it in the kitchen last night? Do you know why it was was left on all night? And that just plants a mind virus I might use like a maybe a punishment or I'm sorry, not a punishment question. I might use a leading question about this voice recorder. Maybe why was this left in the kitchen? Of course, she's not going to say it's hers. And this is planting a mind virus that she could not escape from knowing that there's some kind of recording that could exist about what happened in that room last night. Just an interesting trick, I would say. Mark, what are you? Yeah, you preempted me there, Chase, on the fillers. Normally, I preempt you this time you got in there early. However, I believe in my estimation, you missed a couple out. What I got was, but like, like, this was totally not intentional, like, and then another like. In my estimation, there were a couple more likes in there, which only add more spice to what you've already stated there. For me, you know, if you like the Penelope pit stop, we now have for the English viewers a Vicky Pollard, which is this no but yeah, but no but yeah, but going on. I think that's what we have here. Once we get that, that's a surefire sign that there is somebody in in big trouble here. Because really, all you need to say instead of but like, like, this was totally not intentional, like, and then another like, I mean, this bits in between, but those are the fillers. All you need to say was, this was an accident. That's all this was an accident. But there's so many fillers and negatives in there or double negatives that there's a red flag up for me. And that's all I got on that one. Scott, what do you got? I agree, Mark. I think there's a little Britain in her. Yeah, there is. Anyway, so now she's back to looking worried and she wants to know what the cops know. So her body language has gone back like you guys have been saying to this protection mode. And she's covered her stomach and she's touching her face and I'm just going over what you guys have gone over before. But she's very still up to a point to compared to what she's been to been through so far. She's she's very still until it goes not off the rails, but it starts getting sort of hyped up here in a couple of minutes. Then we see some more of the classic stress behaviors with the adapters rubbing her arm, pulling on her arm, their hands covering her neck. And Greg, I've seen little children do that. She does a lot of things little kids do. So that's, I don't know, that's the only time I've seen that is just when I just remember when I first saw that I said, oh, I know a little kid that used to do that when she was a little kid. And also the detective is explaining how she'll have time to do the things she needs to do. She says run. And I thought for sure that somebody would call it out and go, yeah, like she's going to run off. But I think she's probably a runner looking at those shorts he has on. Maybe she's maybe she exercises, maybe she jogs or something or runs around the neighborhood or something. But I think that's what she's talking about at that point. But she's not thinking about running off like fleeing or anything like that. You guys covered most everything. So I'll leave it there. She wants to say something. We don't know anything though, like why or how. So we will not know the answer to that because we're not doctors. A lot more tomorrow morning, as far as him. But I cannot, there's no way I could say how, why. So just by looking at him, like why is he purple? Oh, that's just, that's normal when someone passes away. Soon as the heart stops beating, the blood starts to settle. It just comes to your head. I'm really scared. I want you guys to know that. If you have, if you have all of these definitions here, so while we're here, nothing's going to happen to you. So we don't make any notifications. You'll have plenty of time to leave or do whatever you need to do. Okay. We can talk about that more like, but yeah, you're not going to be a surprise. But like, I don't like, this was totally like, not intentional. Like, that's what I'm scared about too, right? We'll have all the info, we'll have, we'll have all the info, we'll have a lot more answers tomorrow after the medical exam. Like you said, what you're seeing here is common. This is us coming out to see, yeah, we, his age, no, no real medical history that we know of. For him to have passed away, we come out. I know. We come out doing a vaccination medical exam in this office. We send these people out. This is what we do. If he was 75 years old and had a history of heart condition, he wouldn't be here. I just don't know what his, I don't know what it is. Exactly. And that's what we're here to find out. We just here to get the answers, the answers that you want, the answers that his family don't want. I just really want to see my son. I really want to see my son. I mean, I know I can't go anywhere, but. Right. So do I just like sit out here and wait for you guys? If you would, yes, please. Does anybody else having to show up or everybody's here that needs to be here? My team's here that needs to be here. The medical examiners will show up when we call them, but we're not ready for them yet. So they're going to take him, they're going to take some photos, take him, but that's towards the end of it. And they'll be called well in advance when we're ready for them, but we're not ready for them at this point. So then we won't be calling them quite yet. Okay. So like I said, I got to go do some paperwork. They're going to chat with some people and then we're going to come back and talk to you if you're okay with that. So just give us a little bit more time. Like I said, I need to go and do that. Okay, Mark, what do you get? Yeah. So it's a baseline now this protective piece that she's doing. It comes up. It goes down. It's tucked right in. It's now almost, you know, static for her that she's in here and here, which is, you know, clearly she's under a lot of stress right now, but there are two big deviations from that kind of baseline of stress. One is the shoulders go up and her hands go out for, I don't know, which is this kind of thing of what you're going to do. I don't know anything. I think there's a deviation from baseline on that because that is her strategy. That's her, that's her big tactic here is I'm going to do just I don't know stuff. We'll see because I think we got another episode that will come up next week on the interview. So we'll see whether that strategy plays out in the interrogation, the interview. But I think that's her strategy right now play. I don't know what are you going to do about it? And then there's another deviation from baseline, which maybe it's similar to the kind of hamster that you were talking there, Greg. So maybe this is idiosyncratic, but it's a little bit lower. And it's kind of scurrying around stuff that goes on a little bit of piano playing or maybe spiders or insects. So and it's on is every is everyone it's everyone here. Now, now whether she whether this is just idiosyncratic could be or whether it's just like is everybody here from the band start, you know, let's start a number could be could be that. Or maybe it is the metaphor in her mind of insects or spiders scurrying around something low to earth something a little bit malignant around us scurrying around that they're going to, you know, search out in every corner and she'll be found out. I don't know which one it is. I quite like the metaphor idea for that of scurrying insects. But as Greg was saying before about about that other gesture more up here could be totally idiosyncratic. Anyway, two nice deviations from baseline there. Scott, what do you got on this one? All right, I'm not going to have much to add to this thing. We're seeing pretty much the same behaviors. You're right about the the change in her baseline there a little bit. She's again concerned with what's going to happen. Could she go see your son, all those kinds of things. But we're not seeing that the correct facial expressions we should be seeing. We see some of them later on. We'll talk about that later like Mark was talking about. But we're not seeing the horror we should be seeing for what's happened. She's seen this guy. She's after this has happened. She was part of it. All those things. So we're just not seeing what we should be seeing. We're not hearing what we should be hearing in the fashion we should be hearing it. It just sounds she's trying too hard. You know, I don't think she knows what to do. Greg, what do you got? Yeah, what we see is her whole body is now attached at her elbows or by or around her torso creating that exoskeleton for those organs. And she keeps but she almost looks like a little t-rex. She's only got arms from here down and she's moving those arms. That's part of the reason I think you see that scurrying Marcus because she's not moving her elbows. They're spot welded to her body. So she'll put her hands up here. It's almost like some really stupid comic where you see these guys doing just their hands around their face. There's I forget which guys did something funny with that back in the like 80s. They would turn their head upside down and use their hands and make those. You know what I'm talking about. You probably think of it. Mark, the one that I was expecting you to cover is all that joint protection. She's protecting those fingers and rolling them in. That's showing I've run out of ways to protect myself otherwise. So let me protect my fingers while I'm at it too. She's feeling a lot of fear in here. A lot of fear of what's coming. She also does a lot of self grooming. And for me, I think what we see is an unsophisticated person who's hungover as part of it. So we see a lot of things that we might think are abnormal, but it may be normal for her world. I don't know what she does for a living. Don't know anything about it. She's awfully interested in the process and all these people are coming in. I think part of that's her brain trying to get some normal. And she's asking questions about who else is coming about the process. Not at all about him. Nothing about him yet. She does throat protecting. She does those prayerful hands and she does that exoscope. Here, I think she's just at her processor end probably. And I don't know that she really grasps what's going on with these guys talking to her. It feels like they're being helpful and she's trying to tell them kind of what happened. She's not keenly aware of what they do for a living, I think. Chase, what do you got? Yeah, I agree with you guys. I don't have much else here, but we also see a desperation to inject more ambiguity into what's going on in this fearful body posture the whole time. And you'll notice that the fear increases with every desire to collect data. Every single time that's when you'll see these little spikes. In situations like this, you'll often see guilty people more concerned with two things. And these two things are so common, you can almost use them alone as a guide when you're seeing the behavior of a post crime witness. Number one is a desire to inject doubt, ambiguity and uncertainty. Number two is a desire to learn about the process and information known by the police. They will almost always have those in common. Innocent people are more likely to say things in cases like this that implicate their own guilt because of sincere and deeply felt guilt. Like, I killed them. I can't believe I did it. I killed them. And they're more likely to say things like that. And still, no mention of a name. Unwilling to ask if she's a suspect. Innocent people would have no problem with that. She's desperate to know what they're thinking and is unwilling to ask. Why not just ask? Innocent people don't have a problem asking, what are you going to do next? What's going to happen next? So we're not looking at a single behavior and determining a likelihood of guilt. We're watching for these groups of behaviors that we've all been talking about here that we know to look for. When that little pile of behavior starts turning into a mountain, which it is here, it becomes a lot more obvious and apparent to us what's going on. That's all I got. Yeah. Oh, Mark, that was a good pin-spin, man. I've got it all. I'm triple threat. Apparently, obviously. We'll have all the answers. We'll have a lot more answers tomorrow after that. What you're seeing here is karma. This is us coming out. His age, no real medical history. For him to have passed away, we come out doing an investigation. Medical examiner's office will be sending people out. This is what we do. If he was 75 years old and had a history of heart condition, he wouldn't be here. I just don't know what his, I don't know what it is. Exactly. And that's what we're here to find out. We're just here to get the answers. The answers that you want, the answers that his family don't want. I just really want to do my stuff. I really want to do my stuff. I mean, I know I can't go anywhere about it. Great. So do I just like sit out here and wait for you guys? If you would, yes. If there's anybody else having to show up or everybody's here that needs to be here. My team's here. That needs to be here. The medical examiners will show up when we call them, but we're not ready for them yet. So they're going to take him. They're going to take some photos, take him. But that's towards the end of it. And they'll be called low and advanced when we're ready for them. But we're not ready for them at this point. Because then we won't be calling them quite yet. Okay. So like I said, I got to go do some paperwork. They're going to chat with some people. And then we're going to come back and talk to you if you're okay with that. So just give us a little bit more time. Like I said, I need to go and do that. So more time. Like I said, I need to go and do that. So do you guys tell his family today or after tomorrow? We have to. Once our investigation is pretty much complete here, we once they leave here, we will be going to... But again, we'll know. And we're not going to just go and do it without you knowing. We'll know. We'll talk to you prior to doing anything like that. But how, I mean, I understand what you guys and how you do it. And you know, so, but like, what do you just tell him? What do you tell his parents? Like, what's the reason why? We know at that point. We're going to be waiting for the autopsy results. And I will be at the autopsy in the morning. And hopefully the doctor will be able to give me some of what they think and see. We'll give them their number. They can contact them, you know. But yeah, they're going to know what we're here, what, you know, what we're investigating. And that we're still... They're going to think they've killed him. Why would they kill him? They always have said that. They've always, always, always have said that. I told you, it's because I'm the blue-eyed white dragon. That's what they call me. Because they don't want him with me. So he's basically just not really been around this family because he chooses me over them. Even after I have encouraged him numerous times to go to the MCS family. Basically, they were acceptivating my uncle and my friend. Right now, I'm going to be trying to get him out of this family. I need to get him out of this family. Everybody used my grandparents. Chase, what do you got? All right. So I'm going to do something way different with this video than we've ever done before. I'm going to build a behavior profile just using one video. Then we'll test the hypothesis on the interrogation video when that one comes out. So we see opening behaviors in here. But we only see opening body behaviors when she's doing good things. When she's saying he chooses me over them. I encouraged him to talk to his family. We're seeing open behaviors. We see self soothing behaviors at points of social discomfort, family finding out, investigation data, and how she's being perceived. That's when she's saying things like they never accepted me. She starts rubbing her arm up and down here very gently. Finally, we see protective and fearful behaviors, which means the body is somehow protecting arteries, joints, and organs, those three things. And we see that around his family threatening her about finding out about case details, desiring more information from the detectives. So here's what the profile might say. Just based on these alone, let's look at a potential profile so far. She's socially driven. She wants to be seen as a positive force in his life. Very easily scared with threats of how she might be perceived by others. This might come in handy in the interrogation room. She's going to react very positively to compliments about her taking care of other people and being a good person in general. So just from this one video, we formed a tiny little behavior profile. Let's see if it can help us out in the interrogation. Scott, what do you got? All right. Well, along with the behaviors we've seen so far, she's doing two things. Number one, she's trying to figure out if they're starting to talk about this like it's a murder. With the questions she's asking, she's trying to find out if they're going, huh, I think you're in big trouble. It's not connecting with them because I don't think they're listening properly, but that's what she's trying to do. And number two, she's beginning to create her protection story. This thing she's going to stand behind and say, here's what actually happened. That's the story. It's going to help build this protective wall against her and whatever the onslaught is, it's coming toward her. She knows this again. She talks about how the family is going to talk negative about how they and they have the color of the white dragon and all kinds of stuff. She's fought with a sister and those types of things. So she's basically circling the wagons, getting ready for the big fight on this. Greg, what do you got? I think you give her too much credit. Honestly, I think what she is worried about is an ass whipping by somebody who thinks she murdered their son, brother, whatever it is. I think when she said run earlier, she was talking about run from the family because she's fearful of what's going to happen. I think she's so focused on that, Scott. I don't think she sees half of what we see because the only reason I say that's because she goes, you actually see shock when they said, yes, we will tell them what we know. First time we've seen shock. And for me, that's interesting because it tells me she's focused on something other than the fact these guys may arrest her. Look, what we can't tell all this body language we're seeing, we can't tell what's in her head. We can't tell what her intent was. We can tell she was involved. She's got all this classic symptoms we all are hearing. But what we can't tell is what's going on her head. And then she does shock here. And then she goes to internal conversation as she listens and trying to figure out what they mean when they say we're going to tell them what we know. And then she says, they'll think I did it. And the first good question I've heard yet from these two is why would they think that? Why would they think that? That's powerful. And there's some good baseline that you guys are all on it. She's open. She's doing this baseline when she's saying they'll think I did it. I chose him over me or he chose me over them. And then the barriers and all that when she talks about their family is why I think I don't think she understands how the gravity of the situation. I think she's more worried about what they're going to do than the fact she might spend the rest of her life in prison, just my opinion. Mark, what do you got? Yeah. So often when you're thinking about somebody's behavior, you can look into what other people have predicted about their behavior. Now, of course, that's hearsay, essentially, and it's never going to stand up in a court or it shouldn't stand up in a court. But it is part of some of the data that you can take in as part of a bigger intelligence system. So there is a predicted pattern of behavior from the in-laws. They're going to think I've killed him. They have always, always said that. Well, that's kind of interesting, isn't it? Now, we don't know whether that's true that they have said that. And we don't know whether it's true that their observation or their theory is right. But it's an interesting coincidence, isn't it? That these two things match up. Then she trips over because I think you're right. I don't think she's quite intelligent enough to do this on purpose. But she trips over a couple of images there. She says that she is the belied, or she pronounces it belied, which is an interesting word to use. I think I'm correct in that she uses the word belied. The belied white dragon. Well, so I don't know whether she remembers doing Shakespeare's Sonnet 130 at school. My mistress eyes are nothing like the sun's, where there's the idea of the belied with false compare, the idea that you have been called something bigger and more grandiose than what you are. So it's interesting. She puts forward this grandiose idea of a white dragon, because she could have said, look, they think I'm just dirt, or they think I'm just a virus or a wretch or something. But no, it's a big grandiose white dragon. White dragon, an interesting symbol as well. Usually in Chinese mythology, put right next to death, omen of death, ferocious power in the Norse and the Saxon mythology. It's put next to Wotan, which is an oppressive power. So the white dragon is something that oppresses so much that it ends in death. So that's an interesting image that she just tripped over. If anybody is ever interested in Jungian psychology, here's potentially a good example of it just flourishing and blossoming in front of us. There we go. That's all I've got on that one. So the Wotan claim is part of that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's different, different Wotan. Wotan, yeah. Just make sure. More like today or after tomorrow? Yeah, tomorrow. We have to, so long. No, we've got to do it. Once our investigation is pretty much complete here, we once leave here, we will be going to... But again, you'll know, and I'm not gonna just go and do it without you knowing, you'll know. We'll talk to you prior to doing anything like that. But how, I mean, I understand what you guys and how you do it, you know. So, but like, what do you just tell him? What do you tell his parents? What's the reason why? We tell him what we know at that point. Yeah. We tell him the truth. And that we're gonna be waiting for the autopsy results. And I will be at the autopsy in the morning. And hopefully the doctor will be able to give me some of what they think and see. Yeah. We'll give them their number. They can contact them, you know. So yeah, they're gonna know what we're here, what we're investigating, and that we're still... They're gonna think they're gonna kill him. They always have said that. They've always, always, always have said that. I told you it's because I'm the blue-eyed white dragon, that's what they call me. Because they don't want him with me. So he's basically just not really been around this family because he chooses me over them. Even after I have encouraged him numerous times to go to the MCS family, they were accepted being a family of these men. Really. Everybody's sister, especially his sister. He had to pull her off me one time. Do you have somewhere to save both my parents or the scenes, my grandparents? All right, now let's start around the room and talk about what we think. We've seen so far, let's try to wrap it up in 30 seconds or less. Mark, you want to go first? Yeah. If she wants us to think that she is not heavily, heavily involved in this, it didn't go well from the start on this. And I think the officers who showed up right at the start, we're getting a sense of that. Let's see where the investigators take it, but not a good start, I would say. Chase, what do you think? So I'm going to give you one nugget here. You should probably write this down because it's a good one, I think. This comes down to does the person reasonably feel like they can predict their future? Do they know what's coming next? Guilty people are far less likely to feel like they know what's coming next or they can predict what's going to happen in their lives the next few days. Innocent people have no problem saying, I'm going to be in bed tomorrow night and the next night after that and the next night after that. So a lot of that comes down to that. And we see a whole video here with a person who has their ability to predict the future has gone to zero, Greg. Yeah, one thing we have to point out is you can be naive and believe all day that you have some control over your life and believe that simply by saying I didn't mean to go to sleep, you could be absolved of any involvement in the person's death. That's not how the court system works. I say all the time interrogation is an intentional outcome desired when you go in. So you're after getting something and finishing it. So this person may feel confident, may feel like she's confident because she doesn't understand the way the court system and the way law works. Every law has elements that you have to satisfy to mean that the person has violated that rule and can be charged. And those can be very tricky. So while she has openly admitted, hey, I put him in the suitcase. I zipped it up. Then it fell asleep. It's not my fault. That's not necessarily the way the courts will see it. So she may feel confident and may get be in for a rude awakening. Scott, what do you got? I think this is a great example of seeing somebody who comes into the situation with a story or their idea for a story, but they haven't had enough time to talk about it and think about it, work their way through it, knock the things out of the way that don't sound right, to verify it with themselves yet make it sound true. And as she goes through, she starts adding these things and these fake emotions to start to look like she's really sincere about how surprised she was about she felt sleeping. Just can't believe that that happened because she fell asleep. I think it's a great example of seeing somebody who's not very smart, trying to almost take advantage of that. I think it may be giving her too much credit, but I think it's a great example of seeing somebody get in there and try their hardest to find out what's going on with the cops and trying to find out if they're going to be in trouble or not. As they set up this little rinky-dink story to help protect themselves. All right fellas, I think this was another good one and we'll see you next time.