 Rwy'n spokio ar y dyfodol, David. If people are divided from religion, from race, they're easy at they control, the masses are easy at they control, because everybody's fighting and arguing who's beliefs are right, and for me personally we're all equal, we all deserve a chance, and to set limits on yourself, you're crazy, because everything is limitless, you're the one who can control and take whatever you want to do out of life. For you, when you started your journey, David, obviously you went through the Terry Wogan show, which was massive for you, because you came on that show and you spoke out how you believed in and the things that you've seen, and the things you were educating yourself with, because you always say the ridicule which I believe was, it's sad when you watched that interview, when you were going on that, did you know that that was going to be the outcome? Yeah, it's kind of funny. People said to me, didn't you know that would happen if you said this and said that? And I thought, I said, well, do you know I'd work that out? But you say it anyway, but you see, there's a lot of background with that, because I was going through my life, I left school at 15, I didn't take a major exam, because I went to be a professional footballer with Coventry and others, and then my career ended with rheumatoid arthritis. I played a whole year of league football with rheumatoid arthritis, that's the whole story in itself, but what that did is it developed in you, because all these things are within us, and experience brings them out, and if you don't have experience, often they don't come out. So I have this phrase, life tends to give us our greatest gifts, brilliantly disguised as our worst nightmares, because often our worst nightmare will bring things out of us that wouldn't otherwise happen. This is why if you bring your kids up and you protect them from everything, you're doing them no favours, because you're not developing strong people who will be able to deal with life. You're developing people who are always looking to be protected, and look at what we have now, and once you have a generation or you have a population that wants to be protected and perceives itself all the time as being a victim, where does the point of power move? It moves to authority, because people look to authority to protect them from what they fear or what they feel victimised by. So what we've been developing is a population of emotionally weak people who perceive themselves in terms of victims. When you have challenges in life and you meet them, it brings something out of you. So for instance, when my arthritis came, what else am I going to do at that time? I wanted to be a footballer. I wanted to be a footballer since I was a kid, and now I'm joined to swelling up and they're telling me I'm going to have to pack it in. Now I've thought I'm not packing it in. I want to give it a go. So I went to a club called Heroford United that was at a league club then, and I played the whole season with rheumatoid arthritis. Every morning when we were training and warming up for training on cold English mornings, I was in agony, and I would be limpin and what have you, and the players would say, what's wrong now, Ike? I would give a different excuse, or I've got a bit of a pull, or I've got a bit of a blister, but actually it was the same thing all the time. I played the season out and eventually it got so bad that I couldn't carry on, but it brought something out of me, this determination not to give up and not to give in. And I was very interested in journalism. So I became a journalist and long story short, I eventually became a television presenter. Very well known back then? Yeah, I was. I was a national television presenter in those days. When I look at my life now, you see, and what I'm doing, my life before, which appeared to be a series of random events, same with you, you've had your challenges in life. What has it done? You're the person you are. You wouldn't be the person you are now without them. People say, well, I regret that. The thing to regret is if you don't learn from the experience. That's the regret, but learning from the experience, well, you're just like a gift. What are you regretting for? So I went into journalism because I was very interested in that. I eventually became this television presenter. When you look at my life as I was saying, all the different elements of it, including going into journalism and seeing the media for what it is, going into politics with the Green Party and seeing politics for what it is, I didn't know at the time, but they were all giving me very, very important understandings that would be useful later on. Then what happened is, this is a kind of bizarre story, but it happened. I was in the Green Party and I was still working for the BBC as a television presenter, and both were leaving me completely cold. It's not a great organisation to work for if you care about the truth and you care about more than the official version of everything. I also was looking at the Green Party politics from the inside and seeing that it was just like every other party. What do I do with my life now? I can't go on with either of these. What happened was a very strange thing because in the early part of what would it be 1989 I started having this feeling that when I was in a room alone I wasn't alone and there was an atmosphere there there's something there and through 1989 this got more and more and more powerful to the point where in early 1990 I was working for the BBC and I was staying at a hotel called Kensington Hilton just down from the BBC headquarters and I'm sitting on the side of the bed in this apparently empty room and there was such a sense of a presence there that I said into the room if there's something there would you please contact me because you'll drive me up the wall. A few days later I'm on the sea front with my son Gareth, a little boy then, in-ride where I live on the Isle of Wides and I go into this news agent shop where Gaz was looking at one of the books and I said to him Gaz will come and get some lunch in the town and as I said it it was like the atmosphere changed like the energetic feel around me changed and all I heard it wasn't a voice it was a very strong thought form it said go and look at the books on the far side and I'm standing there thinking you know basically what the so I start walking across to the books in a days thinking what is happening and I knew this book shop the books it sold were for the tourists that come to the Isle of Wides they were basically mills and boon and perfectly formed English roses and having relationships with perfectly formed uniformed soldiers and all this stuff so I'm thinking where am I going over here for but right in the middle of these books was one called Mind to Mind by a woman called Betty Shine a picture was on the front it was different to the other and I read the blurb and she was a psychic an English psychic and she was telling her life story so I bought the book read it in 24 hours found it very interesting contacted her because I wanted to go and see if she would pick up what the hell was happening around me for the last year and so I went I told her nothing what I told her was because she did this hands on healing as well exchange of energy it's not mumbo jumbo it's an exchange of energy it's just an exchange of energy that's all it is but anyway I told her that because I said I've got arthritis maybe it will help because I didn't want to give anything away what was happening to me so I'm sitting on this bench this medical type bench in her front room she's chatting away and she's doing the whole hands on healing just next to my left knee and suddenly the atmosphere changed again and I felt like a spider's web on my face now what hit me was in her book she said when other levels of reality are trying to lock into you you sometimes feel like a spider's web on your face well I know what that was now it's electromagnetic energy you know when you're in a a football crowd of great emotional excitement you feel like a charge of energy the hair stands up on your neck that's electromagnetic their electromagnetic fields so that's what I was feeling but it did feel like a spider's web on my face and I said nothing to Betty but I'm thinking what the hell and then about 10 or 15 seconds later she reels her head back and she said my god this is powerful I've got to close my eyes for this one and me bombs for going further down the what have you got yourself into here Ike and she starts telling me in March 1990 that I'm going to go out on a world stage and reveal great secrets I would face enormous opposition but they, whatever that is would always be there to protect me and that there was a shadow over the world and there was a story that needed to be told that humanity was going to go through a phase of waking up and coming out and basically it's coma which is programming and that I was going to go out and do that one man cannot change the world but one man can communicate the message that can change the world was one of the things she said and I'm sitting there I'm a television presenter for the BBC I'm a national spokesman for the Green Party and I'm thinking what are you talking about and so I then leave her and get on a train she lived near Hassex in Sussex or in Hassex actually and then I drove up or went up on the train to present a television program but from that moment on one of the things that was said that she said because she said the first thing she said she had no idea about this interaction in the Kensington Hill she's saying that they're telling me they know you wanted them to contact you but it wasn't right and now you've been brought here to be contacted and they said they're saying that you're going to be led to knowledge and at other times knowledge will be put into your mind all right so anyway see at that time David did you think she was maybe crazy because you didn't understand that or I don't know because when you speak out about stuff like that people go well he's maybe crazy but again it's judging people and everybody's in their own different paths yeah I mean what I've been like may all me life is I've never dismissed things that I can't know absolutely are not true I have this policy I put things on the back burner and I see what comes and if more information comes to support it more information comes to support it there comes a point where there's so much information supporting that that it crosses the line and you know you start to say okay I accept this is what's happening but I don't just dismiss things and never have on the basis that they're different just being the way I've always been was that the start of your John Lennon going to those women and everything like awakening us but it's awakening yeah it was and you know one of the one of the things was that it was going to be tough and so when I left that left her house and got on with life very very quickly synchronicity coincidences started to occur where I'd meet people come across information come across books come across documents whatever that was starting to like hand me puzzle pieces and I started to realise is it built up and it built up and it built up that actually the world was not like I thought it was well not like I thought it was I didn't really have a view on that I never did believe that politicians around the world I always felt there was something else but you didn't know what it was now I was beginning to understand another thing that happened is that I would get just a knowing that this is how I think this is what's going on here and then what would follow would be names, dates, places hard factual information that would support that view which kind of connects with we will put knowledge into his mind and this has gone on now for 30 years and it's gone through different different phases of information and it's taken me down an extraordinary road of uncovering the world as it is behind the facade of what we're told it is and of course it's taken me into realms of enormous ridicule and enormous abuse but we come back to the greatest gift often that you ever given is your worst nightmare or what appears to be so if we go back to the Wogan show because what happened eventually is I went on the Wogan show and talked about what was happening to me and at that time I was right in that period of the Wogan shows period of about three months I was going through an enormous transformation of that you don't understand I didn't understand no because this is what happened just very very very briefly is that I I suddenly got this feeling I needed to go to Peru I didn't know why I'd never been there I watched them play in the World Cup a few times but I didn't know anything about it a long story short I ended up in Peru and a series of enormously amazing things happened to me and it culminated at a place called C.U. Stani which is near a place called Puno near Lake Tidicaca highest navigable lake in the world they say about 13,000 feet and I ended up and a series of synchronicities again at this so called Inca site called C.U. Stani which is all Inca ruins on a hill and there's a lake and mountains right out in the middle of nowhere and I went and I looked around it and then I'd hired this taxi and this guide came with me and we're driving away from C.U. Stani and I'm just daydreaming which I do all the time daydreaming out the window mine wandering and I'm looking at this hill as we're coming towards it and as I looked at this hill all I could hear in my head was come to me come to me, come to me you know and I'm thinking I was introducing the Snooker not long ago actually and now this frickin' hills talking to me he's like it's what's going on Steve Davis Jimmy White all his forgiving and so I asked the guy to stop I said I won't be a minute I'm going up that hill and I walked up the hill and I didn't know where I was going or why and there's all these kind of stones it's kind of a circle like of stones and I walked into the middle and it's beautiful and there's not a cloud in the sky it's a pure blue Peruvian sky piercing sun red nose to prove it and I stood there and what happened to me then happened to me I cover this bit in the new shop in Rhyde where I'm standing there and suddenly I feel like my feet are being pulled to the ground like magnetically and I'm feeling like a drill in the top of my head and the atmosphere changed again only this was much more powerful than the new shop and I heard this again very strong thought form go through my mind which said first of all they'll be talking about this 100 years from now what? and then which seemed absolutely crazy given the sky and the sun it will be over when you feel the rain right and then what happened is my arms went out like that without me making any decision to do that and then this energy got more and more powerful and in the end my body is shaking and what was happening it's like when you're driving a car and you can't remember the last mile your subconscious has been driving the car thank goodness I kept coming back to some kind of consciousness and then going back somewhere else and as I came back to consciousness at one point my conscious mind I noticed that over the far distant mountains there was a light grey mist and I'm watching it and it's getting darker and it's getting darker faster and I think it's freaking raining and then over not very long the whole thing took maybe I don't know an hour 45 minutes an hour this storm came out of the I mean you couldn't make it up if you put this on a movie they'd say oh come on it happened this storm is coming towards me and you know whether people talk about a front well this is a front it's a straight bloody line I'm looking up it's literally out of some crazy movie and it's not just raining it's stair rod rain and it's coming towards me and I'm standing there and I'm seeing this wall of water coming towards me it's like something out of bloody Moses and the freaking red sea and by this time my body's shaking like crazy with this energy coming through me and then the water hit me I mean immediately drenched because it's stair rod rain and bang the energy stopped and I staggered forward like Bambi because my legs were gone and there was energy pouring out my feet and pouring out my hands and it's still pouring out of my feet I couldn't sleep that night because of it and something changed I people could imagine you lived your life in a bubble literally a bubble of information a bubble of perception and someone's come along without any warning and popped the bloody thing and suddenly everything that was outside the bubble was pouring in so my mind is absolutely awash with information, concepts, insights what the hell's going on just a chaotic mass of information and thought and everything and in that period it lasted about three months if you'd have asked me my name I'd have checked and that it was in that period in my turquoise shell suit that I went on to the the Wogan show and everything that happened and after about three months after all the ridicule all the newspapers and all that stuff basically you know when you press too many keys on a computer and the computer freezes says I can't process this well that was me there was so much information pouring into my conscious mind as a result of that experience in Peru I couldn't process it you basically froze what happened after three months is it unfroze now I'm the old David again but I ain't I'm seeing the world in a completely different way I'm seeing, as they say when you read a newspaper the truth is in the white bits not the words the bits in between so I was seeing things and connections that I couldn't see before Did you ever question yourself there and David they think I'm allows in my mind do I need to go and get help and just feel right for you to understand that a bit more well it felt right to me I completely understood it then it felt right to me and I did what I always do like I've just mentioned earlier I thought okay I'm going with this and we're going to see where it's going to go and I didn't know where it was going but I'm going to go with this and see where it goes and people were coming up to me after that you know you've got mad you're the same Dave I used to know but I wasn't, I appeared to be but I wasn't I was seeing the world in a completely different way and of course in a world which is overwhelmingly programmed to see the world in a certain way it's what happens through the education system and the media and peer pressure it's very very narrow band of sense of the possible sense of what is when you start talking about things that are different to that then immediately the reaction is you're crazy because you're both but what followed what followed of course was mass ridicule the wogan show and people said it must have been horrible well it was but it was the greatest gift I ever have been given because it set me free of the prison that most people live in which is the fear of what other people think when you literally can't walk down the street without being laughed at I mean I live my life for a long time after that to the sound of distant or even close laughter going into a pub, forget it and so you either go under and you disappear or you come out like steel honed in the fire and you let go of this this prison this ball and chain that most of the population of the world live in the fear of what other people think most people the vast majority of people because of this fear are not living their truth they're not living their life they're not living their uniqueness they're living what they think is acceptable acceptable to other people's version of what they should be so they go through mental gymnastics before saying things even more today with political correctness and all this bollocks what can I say so they won't say I'm this, I'm that or what can I say and how can I say it so they won't think I'm mad now when the world appears it wasn't the world, there were others that saw through it certainly appeared to be the world and was the vast majority are ridiculing you mercilessly I mean someone only had to say my name in a comedy thing I remember David Frost just mentioned my name in a raw variety performance but the audience laughed no joke necessary How did that affect you and your family did you ever think that moving away or that you think to yourself I can't handle this you ever saw a side door anything David No absolutely I'm a stubborn bug at me and the more you tell me what I can't say the more I'll say it the more tell me what I can't do I'll do it but there was something obviously you've got confusion what the hell is happening to me what's happening but there was a core beyond that that somehow just knew this was going to be okay and it was leading somewhere some knowing that you can't really explain and I'll tell you a story a true story I'm sitting in the seat on the Wogan show and he's talking to me and the audience are laughing and David Ike the experiencer experience rather not the experiencer the experience was dying but something something beyond that was saying to me as it was happening this is leading somewhere it's going to be okay it's going to be fine it's going to be okay wherever that was coming from that kind of kept me going through all this period of ridicule and you know I didn't know at that point of course some of the things that I was going to be talking about I didn't know what was coming and what was going to be uncovering and all that stuff and that show David you covered because you went back on the Wogan show which you did apologise for it came through so again that's showing that you stood up for what you believed in it did come through