 Welcome to JSA TV, where we're covering the latest stories, trends and innovations from leaders in global connectivity, digital infrastructure and the networks within. And we are coming to you live from beautiful Times Square, New York City for DCD Connect. And I am here with my new best friend, Susanna Kass. And Susanna, we know and we love you very much. And you're a contributor to our greener data book. But right now I'd like to talk a little bit about absolute zero for our viewers that don't already know. Why don't you tell us a little bit about absolute zero? Thank you so much, Dean. Really glad to be here. Very exciting here. You can actually feed the vibes. Absolute zero is the most ambitious target that we have set for the data center sector. As we all know that the data center, specifically the hyperscater has been the pioneer of leading for renewable energy procurement to be specific. In the beginning of 2024, we already have exceeded 71 gigawatts of it all. And that is amazing in that regard, because if you look back about 12 years ago, we were barely starting. But thank you to all the wonderful hyperscaler client. Personally, I've been actually enjoying the journey has been a very great ride that personally have been involved in over 3.8 gigawatt. And when you purchase renewable energy, it is really more an offset. You are still using fossil fuel based to power the data center. And in my opinion, that is wonderful is essential for all the new bill that we should actually have an offset for renewable energy. But it's still an accounting exercise is an offset. So more importantly, I felt like we need to achieve higher ambition because we can do better. Hence absolute zero concept comes into play. And I am very delighted to be covering that as a chapter author for the greener data center volume two that will be coming up very, very soon by JSA. So thank you for organizing that. So what basically absolute zero is a following. So instead of having nest zero for the data center, which we're basically still using fossil fuel, certain percentage of it, and be able to offset the entire life cycle of our energy consumption at the end of the year with renewable energy project. What we like to do is achieve it in terms of on premise for every kilowatt hour that we actually consume. We will remove the greenhouse get emission of the portion of the fossil fuel. Hence, we are actually getting rid of the negative on their mission to the atmosphere. Hence the term absolute zero. Now we can exactly achieve zero. That's why we don't use the word zero. However, what we basically do is instead of just relying on offset accounting exercise at the end of the year. What we want to do is do it live in production per kilowatt consume that we have. We will remove these GHG gas from the fossil fuel portion of the energy mix that we still haven't been able to achieve 100 yet. Hence absolute zero is the key when we build a future of data center. I love it. And I love and we love your work and everything that you're doing. But why don't you talk to us a little bit about how data centers can incorporate the concept of absolute zero right now? Indeed. There's multiple ways that we will do it from the architectural perspective. One of the key things that we would like to have is to shift out from the paradigm instead of just demanding energy anytime that we actually do a siting or build of a data center. We need to shift into the concept of the contributor. So when we show up the data center in terms of any grid or any location, we want to show up as a contributor that we will be able to achieve absolute zero for that community in the times to come. Specifically, what that means is when we utilize the resource of building out our primary power or backup power, and we also have access to grid. We look at that as overall as an availability zone. So we did that holistically, even though we're not the owner of all each of the boundary, but we all cooperate and interact by signals and transparency. So similar to what Google have done and I have tremendous respect for the work they have done. We do our by our monitoring in terms of that. And throughout the years, Google has achieved amazing results. It start with just having the monitoring place. And now in most of the data centers achieving near 40% hour by hour time match in terms of that level of granularity. And by doing so, Dean, we are genuinely demonstrating and exemplifying the concept of absolute zero and getting closer and closer to the target that we have. Susanna, this isn't lip service anymore. This is real, real progress. Indeed, it's actual deployment. So all the projects that I'm actually working on. Indeed, it start with a concept, but we have the architecture and it's now deployment and we'll also be able to impact it and be able to report. But we're still learning. This is why we need you as the audience in terms of continue to interact with us and collaborate with us because there's got to be certain things that ideas that you will have that will help us to contribute to the future of data center. So I have no doubt you will have volume three and four coming up with new participants. You heard it. We need you to help us with this. So Susanna, real enclosing a bit of advice, what would you, what advice would you give a data center operator who is just getting for practical purposes into this sustainability game and understand the importance of it? What's the first bit of advice that you would give to them? The first bit of advice I would is think beyond yourself. Every decision that all the operator made, you have profound opportunity to make a difference for the generation to come. Set up the right goals to green the grid, set up the right goals to have green data all the time. 24 seven, not just a data center, but basically the community and all the mission critical load that we will have. By actually having that paradigm set up and a concept set up, then the rest of the work is easier to implement because then we can do the architecture. We can work on the location strategy. We can all come together to talk about how we actually can bring the clean energy, not so much from an offset, but have it delivered to the data center. And next zero is the right direction, but be able to master it, do it well, scale it properly, and then look around and say, Hey, who else can I help? Who else can I learn? Who else can I collaborate? Which is why we need to have JSA bring us all of us together because a lot of times you meet new friends and they have ideas that you didn't even think about. And your best idea could be built on your best friend's idea that you just met. Susanna, we adore you and we love the collaboration with you on greener data. Thank you so much for being with us today. Thank you for the opportunity. You bet. And thank you viewers. Stay curious, stay connected, and we'll see you soon.