 We had a friend, it was a chiropractor, and he was a bodybuilder, ex-bodybuilder. So anytime we were around him, I was always like, I'm gonna ask him questions, right? And I never forget, I finally mustered up the courage, I must've been 15 years old, and I walked up to him and I said, hey, Joe, his name is Joe. I said, Joe, what do you think about cybergenics? And he goes, cyber what? And I said, I opened it and I showed him, and he looked at it and he goes, and I swear to God, that's what he told me, and I didn't listen 100%, I wish I did. That's what he told me, he said, Sal, let's just do this, he goes, lift weights three days a week, full body, and eat a lot of chicken, tuna fish, eggs, drink some milk, and make sure you have some rice and potatoes, and you'll be great. I thought he was blowing me off. I thought, the guy, he was giving me the right advice. But then he goes and he sits down and he says, Sal, he goes, you know what this before and after is? He goes, that's a bodybuilder that competed, and then they paid him to get out of shape, and they put that in the before picture, and he knew this and he pointed that out to me. And then he said, also, if someone did get results like this, it's the workout and diet, not the supplements. And he told me all this, but as a kid, I really wanted to believe so much that I could take the right supplement stack. All right, check this out. Supplements are not the answer until they are the answer. That's when you use them. And just like that, we lost all our sponsors. Just confuses everybody. We just lost all our sponsors. No, so you know, here's why I say that. If you have an actual nutrient deficiency, like if you get tested and your magnesium is low, or your zinc is low, or you're not getting enough vitamin D, supplements literally are life-changing. Like literally will change everything for you if you have an actual deficiency. In those situations, supplements are the answer. Otherwise, they're not the answer. Now they can help with convenience. They can help with enjoyment of maybe workouts, or just generally having fun with supplements, or again, with convenience. But other than that, they're not the answer. They're not the answer to your fat loss goals, your muscle building goals, your health goals. Unless, of course, there's something that you absolutely need to take. What do you think it is that draws us to that, even though that's a message we've been saying since we started this podcast? What is it? Why do you think we're so drawn to that? Well, when you have- You're the best person to ask this too, since you have- Since I have a supplement addition. I know, it's admitted. You know what it is? It's when you have a product that you can sell, then most of the information you're gonna, you're gonna tailor most of your information towards your product that you can sell. Like, we can tell people how to exercise, and we can give advice, and you know, that's great. But selling that's very hard, right? But a product, you gotta buy it. If I say the supplement's great, and it's gonna do this stuff for you, and that stuff for you. Well, that way you can buy it. So what happens is the information in the health and fitness space is skewed towards the money-generating products, which are supplements. So we're led to believe, either indirectly or sometimes directly, that the missing piece to our health and fitness routine is supplements. Like, if I just took that supplement, that would solve my problems, or I'd get these great results, or I'd gain another 10 pounds of muscle, or the body fat's gonna come off my body, and it's the supplement that's gonna do that. It's not true. That's not the case. Yeah, I mean, I blame the whole marketing we grew up with. It's the same exact formula. And like, it's just that companies wanna find that answer that seems like it's simple. And it's something that you can just consume it, and then all of a sudden these great things are gonna happen. It's the magical pill thing. It's, nobody wants to highlight the work and the effort and paint the vision of a long-term approach to something. They wanna get this idea that they can get these results pretty quickly, pretty effectively, just from doing something very simple. Yep. I find it ironic that most people, I think know this, yet still fall prey to that marketing. You know, that's a good, that's a very good point. It's been conditioned, you know, I swear. It's like, I mean, I'm a product of commercials. Yeah. Like all the jingles, like all the, like I remember that more than anything. They're masterful at it. Yeah. I think that's just it. I think it's, they've got it down to a science so well, and much of it is subconscious. I think that people, cause I think when you, when we say this, and we've been saying this for a long time. Yeah, people are like, oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah. And then still, yeah. Oh, like gotta get that, or gotta try that or whatever. Well, I mean, again, the truth is, if you have a nutrient deficiency, it's life changing. It really is. I've worked with clients who've been low in a mineral or a nutrient, and we know this through testing, or through some, through symptoms. Sometimes the symptoms are very clear. And you're like, well, I won't hurt to take this, but it might be that you're deficient in this cause all your symptoms seem to match this. And then they take it and it's like, my anxiety's gone. Especially when they've been doing so many different things to really find out what it is. You know, what's that one thing that I'm not doing or I haven't figured out yet? And when you can figure out what you're deficient in, it does feel like, wow, I have answers now that in my body is, you know, feels the result of that immediately. Yeah, just to give you an example of like how they do this, like when fasting really became a thing in the fitness space, it still kind of is, but at one point it was like this big trend, right? Everybody was fasting, which by the way, I call that just skipping pills, but it was branded fasting. It's hard to make money promoting fasting because it's nothing. Fasting literally means nothing. So, and we predicted this. In fact, for people who've been listening to the show since the beginning, we predicted this. We said, just wait, there's gonna be a whole wave of fasting-based supplements that are gonna follow now. Sure enough, there were supplements. I didn't think it was possible, but it happened. There were supplements that attached itself to fasting, right? Take this, same thing with keto diet or anything else. They'll attach a product because it's an easy way to monetize. And if you don't buy the product, then you can't possibly get the results of the product promises to deliver. But I mean, I was, I mean, I know I say I'm addicted to supplements and that's somewhat tongue-in-cheek. There's some truth to that as well. I do like taking them. Yeah, I know. I think we give you a hard time about it, but the truth is, and we've talked about this off air before, like, I mean, it's fun. I mean, we've been doing this for a long time and so we have the big rocks pretty taken care of, right? You know what dials are the most important for you to change your physique or get in shape to build muscle, to lose body fat, to be overall healthy. You've got that all figured out. So for you, and I think I am similar, like it's fun to like, oh, I'm gonna try this and add this to what I'm doing and see if I notice something. And then it's fascinating to see if you can notice a difference. Well, I'll give you an example, right? So to bolster my immune system, right? So for the last few years, you know, we've been in a pandemic and everybody's talking about immune system. I got to stay healthy. So to bolster my immune system, I've added certain supplements that can help. For example, glutathione. Glutathione, liposomal glutathione in particular, raises glutathione levels. And when glutathione levels are optimal in the liver, you tend to get less severe symptoms of respiratory type diseases as well documented. So it helps fight certain infections. Okay, if I did that, but I also miss sleep, had a shitty diet, didn't exercise. It's like putting, I don't know, it's like putting an air filter on a screen door in a submarine. That's gonna sink it though. Yeah, that's gonna sink it. It's more like putting octane boost in your, you know, your Honda Civic. Oh, I got extra, you know, four octane boosts and I'm gonna get so much more performance. You're not gonna tell, right? It's, I added it, but I also did everything else. I remember as a kid, when I was, you know, when I was reading all these magazines and I really wanted to build muscle, I would go to the back of the magazines because that's where all the crazy advertisements were. And I thought that's where I was gonna find the secret. And I remember specifically, I've talked about this before, but I remember specifically it was a company called Cybergenics. You could probably find some of these old ads online. And it was a, it was the first time I'd ever seen a supplement stack, right? So it had like seven bottles of pills. And then it had a picture of a dude who looked kind of beefy, but, you know, kind of thick. And then the next one he was like shredded and muscular. And it was, it sold me so hard for two reasons. One, I'm like, well, if you take that many pills, it's gotta work. There's a lot of stuff there. And two, the dude, the before and after was like, oh my God, that's so crazy. And I bought it and I took all the supplements, didn't do damn thing for me. I spent like, it was like 150 bucks back in, I wanna say 1993, you know? And that was like a lot of money for me. I didn't, you know, I didn't have a regular job back then. So it was a lot of money, did nothing for me. And I remember bringing that to a friend of ours. We had a friend, it was a chiropractor and he was a bodybuilder, ex-bodybuilder. So anytime we were around him, I was always like, I'm gonna ask him questions, right? And I never forget, I finally mustered up the courage. I must have been 15 years old and I walked up to him and I said, hey, Joe, his name is Joe. I said, Joe, what do you think about cybergenics? And he goes, cyber what? And I said, I opened it and I showed him and he looked at it and he goes, and I swear to God, somebody told me and I didn't listen 100%, I do what she did. Somebody told me, he said, Sal, just do this. He goes, lift weight three days a week, full body and eat a lot of chicken, tuna fish, eggs, drink some milk and make sure you have some rice and potatoes and you'll be great. I thought he was blowing me off. I thought the guy, he was giving me the right advice. But then he goes and he sits down and he says, Sal, he goes, you know what this before and after is? He goes, that's a bodybuilder that competed and then they paid him to get out of shape and they put that in the before picture and he knew this and he pointed that out to me. And then he said, also, if someone did get results like this, it's the workout and diet and not the supplements and he told me all this but as a kid, I really wanted to believe so much that I could take the right supplements stacked, cause, you know, whatever, you know. Body for Life were the first masters to really do that, right? Oh, they were the, they rewrote the book on selling supplements. Yeah. Yeah, it was EAS owned by Bill Phillips and he did. He put out, this was brilliant, a supplement review book, which really was a massive pamphlet for EAS supplements. And what it would do is in there, they would review different types of supplements like creatine. And conveniently all the EAS ones were like, the Vinyl Solfate, does it work? Does it not work? You know, Glutamine is it? And they would do this whole review and break down the science. And then at the end they'd recommend like the top brands, of course EAS was the top. They sold millions of dollars with supplements because of that. I remember too, I'd got that and I remember thinking. Well, then he also had the Body for Life challenge and the book where he had the before and afters and the book was just full of before and afters. Like so, and done just like you said. You go find a body that's in great shape and then you pay them to fall out. Yeah, so I'll give you, I just talked about glutathione. Okay, so there's a study with glutathione that shows that people who took it built some more muscle than people who didn't. And it was statistically significant in the sense that it's enough for them to say, wow, look, these people gain an additional pound of muscle versus these other people. Okay, now that's cool. That's really cool. It shows that glutathione might have some benefits for muscle building, which is awesome. However, if I took those two groups, modified, looked at their workouts and their diets, took one group, individualized the workouts and their diets and had no supplements, I'd crush that extra pound of muscle. I'd get, they'd get five to seven pounds of muscle compared to the group. Just to show an example of how much of a difference those big rocks are and how little of a difference, even supplements that work on. Not only that, but I'm so skeptical because of the power of the mind. Like it's, so did you guys ever see that study? It was done with, for free throws. So they took three groups, okay? So they had one group, who practiced free throws every single day for like 30 days. They had another group who'd practiced not at all. Then they had another group and it was for an hour a day every single day, right? And then one group none at all. And then the third group only practiced in their mind. They did not physically go do anything. They just laid there and saw themselves for an hour shooting free throws. You wanna know what happened to the three groups? I bet the practicing in the mind and the actual practicing were similar. So the group that practiced every single day for an hour saw a 24% increase in their free throws, okay? And the accuracy. Yeah, the accuracy, better. 24% increase. The group that didn't practice at all saw a zero increase. They didn't get better at all. The group that did it in their mind, 23%. Isn't that wild? Tell them about somebody who actually went out there, put the work in every single day and practiced that shot. Well, that's 24% better. And the group that just laid there and thought about it and visualized it got 23%. That's why the gold standard is what's called a double blind placebo control. Meaning that the researchers don't know who's getting the right supplement or medicine and the people being tested don't know. And they give a placebo to one side. In other words, if I'm testing, let's say I'm using live on labs glutathione, right? The packet that we know that doesn't taste good. I would create one that tastes like that that has no glutathione to give to one side or so. So nobody knows. Why do they do that? Because placebo is measurable. It will actually show a result just off of what people think. Well, that's an example, that study is an example of that. But there's also the case too that like, I mean, if it gives you the results, it gives you the results, is it worth spending the money financially, right? I mean, that was a debate we had to take in, I remember, Like if it works, it works. Yeah, psychology class. That's like, what's your, one of the drugs called for depression. Oh, SSRI? Yes. And a lot of the research says that the placebo is equally as effective as all those drugs are. And so the argument is like, okay, but if it shows 50% improvement on these patients, do you stop utilizing them regardless? And so it's like, Wasn't there a drug that was developed that was called Obacal or something like that, which is placebo backwards because it would actually use it. Some doctors would use it to give to patients and they'd be like, oh, this works. So I've heard, I don't know if they're, I don't know about that one, but I definitely have heard of doctors giving patients like sugar pills and then telling them it's something because they believe it's just something that this person is. Well, I mean, that's where we get into like certain products and like people like really are passionately like exclaiming that they got results from it. And it's like, and you can't really fight them on that fact is it's, but they really believed it. So the belief part of it is definitely a factor in the whole thing. It's a real, this is a real thing. It's called Obacalp, which is placebo backwards and it comes in capsules or pills. It's sold in various colors. It's obviously nothing's in it and they can prescribe it. They can actually get to you. Pharmacist, a pharmacist will get a prescription for it and we'll know what to do. So it's almost like, I wonder how that works. Parents will give children placebo treatments on numerous occasions. So a child mimicking a parent with a migraine will occasionally ask for a pill. Oh, that makes sense. So if your kids are, whatever. Or I imagine a doctor who gets a patient who comes in and claims to have this. Probably kids with all the kid, I find that out. You have a patient who comes in and they complain of this chronic issue and the doctor is checking them out and sees like nothing. Every time they come in, it goes like, you know what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna give them this and see if they notice a difference, right? I'm sure that. How mad would you be? Doc, that really worked. Ah, surprise. I mean, you wouldn't. We gave you nothing. Yeah, well that would be, you'd be mad when you found that out. I'd be mad that he told me because then you don't believe in it. Yeah, yeah. The effect probably goes away. It keeps selling me the sugar pills. Yeah, exactly. Who cares? Boom, boom! Mind pump time. All right, here's the giveaway. Maps Symmetry, one of our newest programs. It helps develop a symmetrical, aesthetic, beautiful physique. Much like Justin. Ooh, Justin. Looks so damn symmetrical and beautiful. Anyway, if you want this program, you can get it for free, but you gotta do this. 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So if you're interested, go to mapsfitnessproducts.com and then use the code July 50, so July 5th, zero, no space for that massive discount. All right, here comes the show. Hey, speaking of weird stuff, the, do you, okay, do you guys know what the large hadron collider is? Yeah. Okay, do you know what that is? I don't, I don't know what that is. Looking for the God particle. Yeah, so it's a particle accelerator. So I don't know. I really don't know what it is. I can't explain any of it. It's massive. It's massive. It's literally this huge underground tunnel, circle. It's a big circle tunnel underground. And I think it goes through two different countries. That's how big it is. What? They spent a lot of money on it. And what they do is they take particles and they spin them around and accelerate them to almost the speed of light and then collide them. And then what happens from there? They create like the big bang theory? Very good. I mean, that's close. Yeah, I mean, that was like, they're trying to simulate it. Yeah, very good. Yeah, yeah. They're gonna be like, like you're surprised, like that's what happens. Like, fuck off, bro. It's like when you're kids. It's exactly when you're in like, like, I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. Adam's all, fuck off, guy. You mean science? Very good, Adam. That's good. I just imagine, Yay! No, give him a start, though. Give him a goal start. He's gonna start. No, it's because you didn't know what it was. And they said that. I have no idea what it was, but I mean, they collide them and they're observing, you know, what happened during the initial stages of the universe. And they've identified new particles. In fact, I don't know what these are, but I saved them because it's so crazy. So they found a new type of pentaclark with particles and a first ever pair of tetraquarks. Don't know what that means, but apparently they're all excited about it. Anyway, have you guys been here about the conspiracy theories around this whole thing? Okay, so they turned it on a while ago and lots of people were like, you're gonna create a black hole. You're gonna create an alternate dimension. You're gonna move. Tear fabric in the universe. The space, time continuum. And everybody's like, so they turned it on a while ago and then all the weird shit started. All the weird shit that's happening right now kind of happened after that. So people were like, you already put us in an alternate dimension. See, the Mayans were just a little bit off. Yes, maybe that's what it was. A little bit off. Then they turned it on again, I think, yesterday. And they just, they're slamming particles together and people are like, oh, great. Now we're in another alternate universe and more weird shit. So this is relatively new. They haven't been doing this for very long. They've had it for like 10, 15 years, but it's, so trip off this. Initially when they kept trying to get it to do what it did or what it does, it kept turning off or breaking and people thought because something what, because at those speeds and the experiments that time doesn't travel forward and back and somehow the machine was breaking itself to prevent, anyway, it actually worked eventually. And now, no. So who gets to control this thing? Science people. Science people. Scientists. Yeah. Science people. Yeah. I don't know. Dr. Octopus. Dude, I have one for you. Speaking of sea creatures, right? I got one for you. You have, I believe it's your house, right? Above your bed. Don't you have, what's it called? A mandala. I didn't know what's above my bed. A mandala or whatever. No, I don't have it above my bed anymore. But yeah, I do have a huge mandala. Yeah, wooden mandala. Yeah. So do you know what that's inspired from? No. OK, so Japanese puffer fish. Wow. They do that in the sand to attract a mate. They design that. Really? Yeah, check it out. Pull up a Japanese puffer fish mandala. You know what else is weird about puffer fish? That dolphins will trade puffer fish back and forth and get high off the puffer fish. Yeah, off the poison. Oh, yeah. They literally will use it. Like intentionally get it. Yeah, like they're trying to get high on each other. Well, I remember birds do that with ants. Yeah, oh. Birds will let these certain type of fire ants like get on their wings, sting them, and it gets them all high. Wow, that's weird. Dolphins do weird shit, bro. Isn't there a lot of examples of that nature of the animals? Look at that. Oh, wow. So puffer fish does that. Uh-huh. Have you ever eaten puffer fish? Doug must have. You've had puffer. Couple times, yeah. You have to sign waivers in there, isn't it? No. If you cut it right, if you do it wrong, you're fucked. Yeah, you have to be licensed, I believe, in Japan to prepare it. It's called Fugu. That's the name, the Japanese name. Fugu, yeah. And not like Fugu, the brand? No. No, it's not for us. I'd like to try that out. Isn't that fascinating though that it's cool? I watched a whole video. Yeah, I watched a whole video. You know, the shit that guys do to them, I get girls pretty good. Look what I made. Puffer fish love explains some mysterious underwater circles. Justin, you had something you wanted. I don't know if it's really inspired by that, by the way, but that's what they call it. They call it a mandala, so I don't know which one came first. You were talking about the disruption of reality and how everything's been all wacky, let's just say, for the last few years, and simulation theory and all these crazy things. But I think a lot of people are sleeping on this event that happened that was actually in our backyard. It was in San Jose. And I heard this, but I think they're talking about it on a podcast on Joe Rogan. It was like these guys that had basically they dug. I put it up here. It was about they like sniped part of an energy plant around here. Metcalfe sniper attack. Yeah, Metcalfe. Of a Metcalfe? Yeah, and so like they basically shot and blew up a bunch of these like energy producing machines or like buildings and nobody ever was arrested. Nobody was ever tried for this. Were they trying to mess with the power grid? Yeah, exactly. Like it was like they're it was almost like a test run in a sense. And this is where my mind goes with that because why and it was organized. They said that there was like flashlights that were like signaling for when a group of guys came in with, you know, masks and all that and like and destroyed some of these like power grids. There's like a whole there's a whole landing page. It says unresolved. Yeah, we read that. I didn't know. But I was just tripping because this isn't like our backyard. Oh, do you remember any news around this? No, read this, Doug. So in the early morning hours of April 16, 2013, a group or individual would attack an electrical substation outside of San Jose, California, armed with at least two rifles. This mysterious entity would open fire on the station's transformers, causing more than $50 million in damages. Years later, federal officials still have no idea who perpetrated this bizarre attack on America's power grid or why. I've read that our power grid is very susceptible to attack, apparently. Right? Like it's not that hard. Well, obviously, if one guy can go in there. Pretty alarming. Do $15 million worth of damage. That's the Soviets. How many tinfoil hat things do you have to be reading to find an article? It's from 2013. They're bugging, digging up. Somebody brought it up and I was just tripping on that because I didn't know that happened and why that wasn't getting more news because that's pretty problematic to be able to think about people having that kind of access of being able to just get to these power grids because we're so vulnerable without power. Think about what everything would look like if all the power grid is gone. You know how it is when blackouts and all that, they're just crying almost within hours. That's what they say where we're most susceptible, right? Yes. Like another country. Or an EMP. Yeah. But okay, so you want to know, you want to have an example of what it would be like? Do you ever read about the blackout? And it was in 1970s in New York City. I forgot how long it lasted. Maybe duck confined it, but they lost power and it was for like, I don't know. I want to say a week, maybe. And it went crazy. Like people became savages. I know the part about that that's so crazy is like a week without power isn't that big of a deal but it's the way we all react. Of course, of course. I want to know how long it was. I want to see what it did. And I think it's more that like they didn't know if it was ever, you know, coming back on anytime soon. It's only 25 hours it was off. 25 hours? Yeah. That's the great blackout? No, I can't be. 1977. That was it? 1975 hours? That's it and all that. What the hell's wrong with you guys over there? Chaos? It's like 48 hours. Good lord. Did you ever watch the episode? It was a Twilight Zone episode like that where it's great, by the way. Twilight Zone, best show of such great writing. There was an episode where there was a whole neighborhood. Then the power goes out. So the neighbors come out and start talking to each other. Then the cars don't start. So now machines aren't working. They start turning on each other. They blamed it on this one person. They all attack them. Anyway, it turns into just pandemonium chaos. And then the camera zooms out to this UFO and there's aliens in the UFO and like experiment number one is finished. We now know how long it takes before they start killing each other. And I'm like, oh shit. Oh shit, that was good, bro. That was trippy. I'm gonna get chills right now. Yeah. It's so good, right? Every time you bring up one of their episodes, you do make me wanna go back and watch them. So good, dude. So good. They're all black and white, but they're all super good. You know what's trippy was? You sent an article. I don't know if that was an article. It was like, yeah, you. It was a science thing, which was kind of weird. Oh no, that tripped me out. Time dilation. Yes, the fact that if you left at 15 years old, you spent five years in space and then you... I got it, I got it right here. Yeah, yeah, that tripped me out. So if you leave Earth at the age of 15 in a spaceship at the speed of light and spend five years in space, when you get back on Earth, you'll be 20. But all your friends who were 15 when you left will be 65 years old. That's called time dilation. So that's a real thing. So you wanna know what's trippy about that? That's crazy. Okay, you know that time on Mount Everest, the peak of Mount Everest moves slower than time on the... You said that, I didn't know that. The closer you are to the more gravity there is, which there's more gravity the closer you are to the center of the Earth, the faster time moves, the slower moves for the way. And they can measure this. Satellites, they have to account for satellite's distance and speed. So they have to change. And it's very minuscule, like we wouldn't be able to tell. But they have to change the clocks on the satellite so that they could do GPS and stuff. Otherwise they'll be off. So all the time is really based on rotation? Just speed and gravity both have effects on time. What was that movie where, wasn't it? No, what was his name? It was that one Superman spinning backwards. Destroy the whole Earth. I know, so go. What was that movie where they were, he went to another planet and because he landed on the surface of it and it was super strong gravity, by the time he came up that his buddies on the space station were all old and shit. What was that movie, dude? It had a weird looking robot. I can't remember. Do you know what I'm talking about, Kyle? Kyle has no idea. He doesn't want weird sci-fi stuff. No, it was a great movie. He wears socks with his sandals. He's not in his stuff. Can we talk about that? The stuff you guys are into, you know what I'm saying? I wear socks with my sandals. All right, what was the name of the guy? Okay, Wolf of Wall Street, the guy that was doing, what's his name? Matthew McConaughey. It was a movie of Matthew McConaughey and it was when they go to space. Interstellar? No. Was it Interstellar? Yeah, probably. I think it was that. Is it Matthew McConaughey and Interstellar? Yes. Oh, I thought that was Matthew McConaughey. That was the one. It was the other Matt? Yeah. One of the Mattes. Look at that, Doug. Speaking of... It was Matt McConaughey. Yeah. Speaking of... I said Mount Everest roller. Dude, you guys want some more cool stuff? So someone sent me, I think it was my cousin, sent me this like little infographic on nuclear bombs that we've set off and tested and their relative size. You want it? Okay, trip off this. So we dropped a bomb on Hiroshima, right? That was the first and one of the only bombs ever used in war. The Russians, the Soviets tested a nuclear bomb called the Tsar Bomba. That was 3,500 times more powerful than the one on Hiroshima. It was so powerful and made a mushroom clad that went 33 miles in the sky. Like where did they set this off? I mean, it was in the ocean. It was over an island. Yeah, because I mean, the case was like Bikini Island. The Bikini Atolls or whatever? Is where, I mean, we tested a lot of stuff, right? But they did the biggest one and the sound wave was so big, it circled the Earth three times. What? Yeah, dude. That's how big, and you wanna know, here's what makes it worse. They made the bomb half as powerful. So it's supposed to be a hundred megaton, I think it was, it brought it down to 50 because they were afraid of the fall. So how much like radiation and everything else, like remnants of that can be traceable? I don't know, right? That's a good point. I was talking about war with my uncle while he was visiting, we just, right, he served, right? And we were just telling old war stories and stuff like that to me. And did you know that we lost more people in 9-11 than Pearl Harbor? Oh yeah, that's true, huh? I didn't know that. Yeah, that's true. And those are all civilian lives in 9-11. Well, mostly, and then you have some, obviously some first responders that was a big chunk like that. But I did not realize that we lost less people in Pearl Harbor than we did in 9-11. It was one of the few, I don't think we've never been attacked on our homeland, except for that, right? If I'm mistaken, never. I think those are the two times. Those are the two times you've ever been attacked on the homeland. But you would, I mean, wouldn't you think Pearl Harbor was worse? I would've thought Pearl Harbor was way worse. Well, yeah, too, because there was like a lot of like dogfights and planes and yeah, a lot of ships that went down. And dropping bombs and stuff. Dude, speaking of World War II, there was this Japanese soldier that after the Japanese surrendered, he never got the message. And because he was so loyal to the emperor, because remember that the Japanese were very fierce. They would not give up, obviously, they had the Kamikaze, whatever. This guy holed himself up on an island, lived on the island by himself. I think they found him when he was 77 years old. And they found him that said, hey, the war's over. You guys gave up. And he's like, oh, okay. He literally lived on this island. For how many years? Decades, decades by himself. What? He's like, he thought he was in the war still. And he's like, I'm just gonna stay here and wait for the Americans. Just sitting it out. That's what, what? Yeah, dude. That's crazy, dude. That could probably find him. That's a crazy, that's a crazy. Yeah, he hid in a Philippine jungle for 30 years. 30 years? 30 years? You know what though? Hiding. Hold on a second. Maybe he made that, she maybe didn't wanna go home. She's out on my wife's. I'm gonna stay here in a new family. I mean, he's just like, yeah. Yeah, it's not so bad here. It's tropical, I'm gonna say. No, I think actually the truth is, I think he lived by himself in a cave for 30 years and survived. I'm serious. There's something gotta be wrong there for you. Do some investigating. There's another story here. A guy in Guam, another Japanese soldier for 27 years. So there's a couple of stories like that. Second place. Yeah. I didn't know, dude. I didn't wait that long. Yeah, I mean, he would try and check or find out sooner than that. Well, his orders are wait here. And if anybody comes, you know, kill him. So he probably just chill in the jungle all the time. Wow. Eating pigs and bananas. Yeah. I don't know what grows over there. I don't know. You survive like that. That's crazy. Dude, so my son, my baby son now, he knows how to, he says no like this to us. He waves his finger. Yeah, yeah. Now he says no. Like a diva. No, he does this. You know why he does that? Cause Jessica does that to him. She goes like this. So now that's the way he says no. But now he says no too. But he says it's so funny. Yeah. He goes, no. So now I make him say that all the time. Like, hey buddy, can you say no? No. No. I'll just crack up. Max is completely accelerated. So the, I remember, okay, it's now, we're on week three, I believe, since the surgery. And right away I could tell that like he understood more. He was trying to say more. This weekend was like an explosion of like words. That's great. I mean, right? He's now, now all of a sudden we're at the place where you can get him to try and repeat everything you say. Like it was him like sporadically saying stuff. And then after the surgery, you noticed that like that was starting to come in a little more clear. And you can kind of understand a little bit more of what he was trying to say every once in a while. But it was still like one word at a time here and there. To all of a sudden like multiple words repeats everything that you say. I mean, it was funny. My aunt and uncle were over there having such a good time playing with them. They haven't had a chance to like be with just him. And I've been doing this thing with him since he was like practically born where I tickle him. And I'd say, say it, say it. And I'm like poking him and tickle him. Say it, say it. I love your daddy. I love your daddy, right? I say it, I say that to him like that. And I've been doing that and he can't talk, right? He hasn't been able to talk or say anything. He burst it out and said it. Like, you know, it was like, it could choose like, oh my God. And my aunt and I were like, what? I'm like, he's never said that before. You had to stop. Yeah, I had to stop doing it because he actually said it. And I was like, oh my God, dude. He went from not being able to say like stuff really clear to be able to say, I love you, daddy, like that. And I was like, oh my God, dude, it was so great to see that. And it's like- Do you get emotional when you just say it? Oh yeah, no, of course. We got all, I got all excited. And Katrina got all, she was in the kitchen and she heard at the kitchen and I was inside the living room playing with him. She's like, oh my God, he just said the whole thing. I said, I know. That shit makes me emotional. Your kid is such a good little hugger. Like when we were on vacation and I go up to him like, Matt, give me a hug. He's like, give me this big squeeze. He's such a lover. Yeah, no, he definitely is. And my aunt's first experience with him was not that long ago at like a family party. So he's got this really interesting personality. Like so, Max, if he's in an environment where it's really loud and a lot of stuff going on, he's like, he's very kind of reserved and like an observer. Like he'll just kind of watch and he's kind of, he almost seems skeptical of everybody. Unless he really knows, if you've already built that relationship, like obviously me or Katrina or my sister or someone or maybe one of you guys who already has a bond with him, then he's pretty normal with you, but strangers or people that have only seen him once before, he's kind of reserved. And so my aunt, who is like, she has a ton of kids. She has a ton of grandkids. She's great with kids. She's like, she did homeschool to all our kids and she was great in my life. Like, and she was trying to play with him and he was really like, kind of standing up like, oh, I felt so bad. I'm like, oh, it's my aunt. Like, and my son didn't really take to him. And she has no idea what a sweetheart he is. Well, they stayed this weekend. And he got used to them. Oh, yeah. And he was like, and she had right away. Like, and already within the first day had built that relationship with him and we're in the living room, stuff like that. And she was, I don't even know what she was doing, but she already had trained him to do something. Like, she was like, oh, I need a hug so bad. And then he would get up across the room, run over and jump in her lap and give her a big hug. And so she was eating it all. Yeah, my dad, my son really likes his, no, no, likes my dad, right, a lot. And it's because my dad will give him and do anything he wants. So my dad, I tell him, listen, I don't want him to watch too much TV. Okay, okay, no problem. Sure enough, five minutes later, my dad looks at me and goes, he really wants to watch it though. Look, he's asking for it. He really wants to watch it. Okay, whatever, put it on, put it on. I guess, I don't know. Oh, he wants to go outside, go outside. Oh, you want to buy him that thing? Okay, or you want to give him a snack? So it's, he gets everything he wants. And my dad's like, he loves me. I'm like, yeah, of course he does. He gets everything he wants, dude. You know, do we talk about the plane rides with the kids and stuff like that? Did you bring it up on the show? I don't think I brought that up on the show. I was rough, dude. Yeah, you sat through a rough one, huh? Bro, that was so, I think every parent, well, not every, but most parents have gone through one experience like this. And I have- I have one all share after you. I have yet to go through one, except for recently. So we were on, we were on the tarmac, ready to get on the plane in Mexico. So it's already hot and humid. You know, Aurelius hasn't had a nap. So he's already kind of, you know, wily and cranky or whatever, like, you know what? Hopefully he'll sleep on the plane. He's kind of already acting, again, a little cranky, right before we get on the plane. Literally they're like, okay, everybody. So let's start walking towards the plane, steps off a curb, boom, bashes his face into the ground, busts his lip. So he's bleeding in his mouth. We gotta get on the plane. He's inconsolable. He's screaming. So now we get on the plane, trying to clean him up. He's screaming, he slept for 20 minutes. The rest of the plane ride, he screamed uncontrollably, like at the top of his lungs in the plane, like, ah, ah, ah, and you can't, you know, and you know, you can't sit him down. You almost get like shell-shocked after that. Dude, that's how I felt when he happened to me. I was so proud of Jessica because she was so calm. She kept singing to him. She would try to rub his head. She was very calm. I'm sitting next to her. He wants nothing to do with me because he's hurt. He wants mom. So I try to reach over and he just like, reaches new levels of screaming. So it's back to her. So I'm just sitting there and I'm like, man, I feel so bad. So as a fault, I mean, I can't do anything except for thinking my head. If anybody speaks up, I'm a slap on this plate because I can't do anything else, right? That's all I can do is be beautiful. Nobody better say shit. I'm looking around like, ah, you know, it's my kid. You better show your mouth. But reality was everybody was so supportive on the plane. People kept saying, hey, look, we have kids. We understand. But man, that is rough. Then we get off the plane. He's still screaming. He's still in console, but still having trouble or whatever. We're trying to get through customs because you have to get through customs once you get to the U.S. Long ass line. So I make up a lie to get through. So sorry, everybody at TSA. I squeezed through by making up some bullshit. But we had to get through. My kid was freaking out. He's doing the same thing in the airport. And then I don't know why we didn't think of this. My older son's like, isn't there a painkiller? You can give him like, fuck. Tylenol. Tylenol. Give him some Tylenol and it totally helped. Made a big difference. So he was a little screaming on the second flight, but not as bad. Oh my God. Doug was really helpful. Brianna was really helpful. Jessica lost her shit for literally one minute. Like at the whole time, she lost it for a minute in the airport, I could tell. And I took him for a minute and then she was back to being a champion. And I was like, man, I don't know how, how she was able to handle that. But that was rough, dude. That's my worst nightmare. It's so rough. Yeah. Because you can't, you can't do anything. And you're stuck in that place and so do it. Oh yeah. On the second plane, we got on, he's kind of cranky and Tylenol hasn't kicked in. And I told everybody in our area, I said, if he screams, I said, I'm gonna buy a drink for everybody. I'm apologizing ahead of time. And everybody was super cool. No, we get it, you know, no big deal. Yeah, that was my first trip to Hawaii with Ethan. And he was sick. Like he just got sick. And unfortunately it was like, he stayed with Courtney's parents and her mom was sick, didn't tell us. And then we, this is right before, and then she recovered and then right before we left. And so he got it. And then he had like this flu. And it was just like inconsolable because of the pressure of the plane. Once we took off and was just screaming, screaming, screaming. And so I was like, he was small enough. I think it was like eight or nine months. And so I'm like holding them and like going up and down the aisles and everything. And like nothing could work, you know? And so, and then everybody's giving you the look and the sigh and the this and that. And I'm just like, yeah, yeah. Oh, it's bad for you. Yeah, real bad for you. And then like, dude, after all that, I still had the idea that, well, maybe, you know, it won't be so bad if we try to like, he looks like he's doing better today. Like we were like trying to plan a trip around. We shouldn't have planned anything, right? We just been like, okay, like we're done, we give up. But we went on this like boat ride to this island. And I might have told this before, but like, so he, same thing. He was just like screaming, screaming, screaming. And just couldn't control himself. And I'm like on a boat that's confined to this room, right? So everything there was packed with people like, and they're all looking up and nobody said a word. Even the guy that was normally like, hey, I'm the announcer guy that's like describing everything that you're looking at was just like, ooh, wouldn't say anything anymore. And then I pretended, I'm like, oh, this is crazy, right guy? Like I was like pretending to like throw him off the board. And that did not go well. I was like, I'm joking. I'm not gonna get rid of him, you know? Like come on guys, I'm not, you know. It's like, they don't know me. His parents lose their shit, you know what I mean? Yeah, I was like. He's gonna throw the kid off. Bro, it is up there with top fears in my life. Bro. You can't do anything. Yeah, I fear being on a plane and him just uncontrollably screaming. And so Katrina makes fun of me all the time because if he even gets like fussy at all and we're in public, I'm like, let's go. We're on here. I don't know what. I can't do shit on a plane. I don't want to be locked into a position like that where I have to. I will say though, and I was talking to my mother-in-law about this cause she asked how Max did with it. And by the way, we got stuck at the airport for like six hours. So they told us to be at the airport three hours early, which are, we got there three and a half hours early and then we had like a two hour delay. And then the flight. So he was like nine hours of traveling. That's a long time. And was a saint dude. He was incredible. And what I attribute most of it to, of course I know a lot of it has. It's been a drill. Yeah. Lots of night quill. You know what I say? You know what I say? Robson's testimony. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Chloriform. No, what I really think, and it's funny because, and I'm sure people will laugh and make fun of me or laughed when I said it way back when, but you remember when before Max came, I was talking about some of the things that I wanted like prioritize. And I thought, and I believed in my head at that time, right? That I was like, he was not going to get any TV till he was like five or six. Like he's like, he's still so young. Justin and I are like, all right. Yeah, yeah, all right. I'm like, never. He's like, we're our goal. But keep up the fight, yeah. Here's the thing that I think where it, so that obviously didn't happen. Like my son has watched TV and he's three years old, so he's watched TV before I thought he was going to watch TV. But we did do such a conscious effort of Katrina and I not really watching TV. Oh, it's a treat, right? Yes. It is so rare that he gets it, right? That I mean, he goes, I mean, we were in Mexico, he like never got it. I mean, I think there was like two nights where we let him, we stayed up and watched all TV together as a family. Other than that, like he doesn't really get to use his iPad very much. But when he does, he gets so excited. No, that, you know, so we do the same thing with the Raleighists and it worked. He's traveled many times on planes and he does really well because if he gets fussy, that's what we do. We'll pull out the phone, play a video and because he doesn't watch it very often, it's a treat and it works. Did not work this time. I was showing him videos, whatever he's hitting the phone out of the way. Ah! Like just scream, oh, nothing, bro. I tried to give him candy. I tried to give him cookies. I pulled everything out, everything. I'm like, I'm gonna give you anything you want if you just stop crying. Ah! You know, give me some whiskey and the kid wants it as well. I mean, the poor guy, I saw his lip, I mean. Oh, he hit it. He busted it. He busted it. It wasn't like he had like a little spill and was mad. No, not only he didn't bust his lip, which he got a good one. I thought for a second might need stitches, but it didn't. He also hurt his tooth a little bit and I'm keeping an eye on it because I'm hoping that no damage was done. And you'll know later if it gets. Well, lucky it's his baby teeth anyways. Yeah, but then he'd be, you know, until his permanent one grows and he had no tooth for a while, bro. Yeah, that was my brother did that. He knocked his front, both his front teeth out. Yeah, we were playing in a cardboard box. He fell forward, his teeth came out. And it, you know, I don't know, when your adult like front teeth come in, it takes a little while, right? So it's like for four years, my brother had no teeth. Oh my God, I did that to my best friend, this girl. I told this to you. Like we were trying to hide because like her parents came and were like, no, let's hide so you can stay longer. You know, it was the whole thing of like, you know, let's stay and I like, like hide here. And I like pushed her like by her head and her face went into a tree and like her teeth stuck in the tree. Oh wow, how hard you put her so bad. I don't know, I was just like hide here. You don't have a strength meter, okay Jerry? I know I'm trying to teach ever this because he's got the same problem. All or none? It's like full throttle, you know? I'm sorry Emily, I again, I apologize. I told you guys when my brother broke that girl's arms on accident, right? Did I tell you guys about that? No. Yeah, he was in fifth grade, sixth grade and he had this crush on this girl. By the way, she turned out- And he broke both her arms? Hold on, hold on. She turned out to be a model by the way. She ended up becoming like a professional model later on. So anyway, he had this huge crush on this girl, super loved her, flew her with it, whatever. Anyway, you know, I think it was in fifth grade. When you're in fifth grade and you're a boy and you wanna flirt with a girl, what do you do? You push them or you hit them? You push them or you pull their shirt, you fuck with them, right? She was running to get in line, he tripped her and she fell and broke both of them. She broke both of them. Both, so she had to go to school. Hey, hey, here's the best part. She went to school, she had to cast like this, right? And so my brother had to do all her work for her until she healed. That was his punishment for tripping. After that, she never wanted to go out with me. Bro, how devastating, I wonder. How devastating that would be, dude. What is it? Isn't it Jordan Petersen talks about the psychology and that why we do that? Isn't there, there's a reason why we do that? Why? Oh, I have no idea. Yeah, I've heard him talk about it before. Why we tease each other? Yeah. We're a little. We're trying to get the attention of girls. Yeah, yeah, and why is it physical like that? Cause you do, you kind of poke at them. The pinching of others. Yeah, you do physical stuff like that. Both sexes, I believe are guilty of it. I know there's a reason behind why, that's how we do it or why we do it at that young age is we don't know yet how to communicate. You don't know the social cues, I think. Yeah. At that point, right? You're just trying to get their attention. I mean, that's what you tell, that's what I told my daughter when she was younger. There was this boy that kept messing with her. And I said, he's doing that cause he likes you. Yeah. I said, yeah. The only reason why he's messing with you. He's just dumb at it. You know? He figured it out, yeah. And we don't figure it out until we're 30. So, it's true. Guys are dumb until we're like 30. Yo, did you guys see that deal with Daily Wire with Jordan Pearson? Jordan Pearson signed with them. Oh, wow. I try to find the contract deal. I don't know if you, did you see it, Doug, by chance? Like I wanted to see what he signed. He must have got paid for that. So, his podcast is what they acquired? Well, they, cause like he's kind of like a, I'm an author, like he does like a lot of things. Yeah. So, I don't know if, I think so. Like I think that it will be, okay, the same way that Spotify came after Joe Rogan, right? I think it's the same thing. Like exclusivity with that or something. Yeah. I mean, we talked about this a long time ago. Is the future, what's going to happen? Of course. Well, it must have been easier as you just got kicked off of Twitter. So, yeah. He did. Yeah, you got kicked off Twitter. So, to Ruben. Ruben got suspended. Ruben did too. You know why? Ruben got suspended for screen-shotting and talking about what Jordan Peterson got suspended for. So, they suspended. No way. Dave Ruben? Yeah. Wow. Well, I mean, you know, what are you going to do? Private organization, they can do what they want, but I think that they're making themselves, they're going to lay, they're, what are they doing? They're doing their own grave is what they're doing. They're asking for regulations because they're going to get blamed by both parties if something happens. You know, that's an interesting thing to think about too, because like Daily Wire is like one of those that they're, I feel like they're gaining more traction. I don't really know like other, there must be other competing conservative kind of entertainment or like media. Outlets. Companies and outlets kind of emerging, you know, these days just because it's so like taboo. I love it. Not because I'm a fan, but I love competition. Yeah. That's what's going to happen. I don't see regulation. I don't see them stopping. I don't see, I see Twitter, stay in the way Twitter is. I see Instagram, stay in the way Instagram and Facebook. I see them at YouTube, Alston say, what I see though is that they've already now laid the blueprint on how to create these platforms. A competitor will come up that will offer the opposite side and we will see just like we, I mean, it's so, it's so funny. It's called social media and old media, which is the news and TV, which has been divided forever Fox and CNN, right? I mean, you're going to see the same thing. Fox proved it. Fox came out and said, we're going to be conservative, right? Quote unquote, and they crushed because there wasn't anybody really serving that demographic. And I think Daily Wires trying to make that move. They are. They're doing all media, right? So movies. They seem to watch, yeah. Movies, music, animation, they're doing it all. And because there's nobody that outwardly says, we're like, can you think of another company, a media company that says, we're a conservative media company? No, that's why I'm actually surprised. I mean, it's obviously, it's a huge monster to tackle, but I'm sure there's going to be other ones coming up if it's successful. Yeah, speaking of media, have you guys seen, okay, so you guys know Minions, right? The whole series. Crushing, the new Minions is crushing, crushing at the box offices and young men, teenage boys, this is a thing. They're showing up to the Minion. All suits. Wearing suits. What is that all about? I have no idea. It's got to be something to do with in the movie. I saw something stupid where they had a bunch of guys trying to smuggle in a whole huge trash can full of bananas to watch it. Oh, wow. Well, it's a thing apparently with teenage boys and they're showing up and making a big deal about it and it's causing a lot of media. Did you ask your son about it? I didn't, I should, huh? Yeah, you should. I feel like you're still out of touch with that stuff. He would keep you. You're selling a bunch of old, funny guys trying to. There's these rap scallions doing bad. That's happening right now. What's your favorite CD? Yeah. You're listening to CDs. I saw the same thing you saw on Tik Tok, a bunch of clips. Hey, speaking of media and stuff, so I went again to the physical Viori store in Santana Road. We have a location here in San Jose that sells Viori clothing and I went in and when I buy stuff, because we're sponsored by them, they give us a discount. And so I said, oh, you could pull me up. The person working there didn't know who I was. They didn't know mine pump. But as soon as she pulled it up. Listen, I'm a big deal. As soon as she, I know. I feel so dumb, too. You might want to look me up. What do you do? I have a podcast. OK, so does everybody else. You know, it sucks when you do the Ron Burgundy voice and you think the other person's going to get that and then you're like, I'm kind of a big deal. I say that. Some people get it. They laugh and it's really funny because you just have to, in a situation like that, you feel like that guy, right? And so I'll play that character sometimes. And then if someone, it goes over their head, then I go. Yeah, that's really stupid. She sees the name. She's not a listener, but she sees the name. She goes, oh, I have so many listeners of yours. You're the journey guy. You're the journey guy, man. Listen, let me tell you guys something right now. You're the journey guy. You're the journey guy. Hold on, hold on. The man who loves the journey is going to walk further. But hey, we have a lot of mine pump fans that apparently talk about us when they go into the physical store. So we have people come in all the time who listen to your show and say they heard about our store from you guys, which is crazy because you got to use our code online to get your discount, not in the store. They just want them to know. How great is that? Yeah, secret mines. Yeah, but that goes back to the statistic that I always have to negotiate when I'm talking to these brands. That's what I'm saying. You already need to pay someone. Who want two or three X ROI and I go like, listen, they've already done plenty of research on this. Like 50% of the people don't use the URLs even if it saves them money. I don't, you know? But they will go check it out because they trust you because they like Sal and Stefano from Mine Pump. They've heard him forever. They happen to be shopping on Santana Row. Oh, look, there's a Viori store. We got to go check it out. The guys at Mine Pump talk about it. And then they go in and then they buy it. They're not tripping over 15% or 20 or 25 or whatever the hell they get for the discount. Biggest discount you'll get anyway. You just need to convince them to make the Mine Pump Sal wife beater. Oh, God. You know, it's a given. That's when we've made it. We've made it when a company like Viori. This isn't really our brand. 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I do yoga one time a week and then I prioritize walking my dogs every day, but usually it ends up being about five times a week depending on whatever I have going on. I'm 31 years old, I weigh 149 pounds and I'm an attorney. My question is related to training an individual with adrenal fatigue. So for the past three years, I have struggled with court sleep. It became really bad this past February and I sought help of an integrated medicine doctor. I wasn't able to get in to see her until April. She ran a bunch of tests, she did some micronutrient deficiency testing and then a Dutch test and put me on an anti-inflammatory diet. Things were going really well. I learned that I have a histamine intolerance and then I was doing okay with the diet and then my brother unexpectedly passed away about a month ago and the diet kind of took a back seat and whatnot. That's the week I got my doctor's results back and realized that everything is low. My testosterone is low for my age. My estrogen is low, progesterone is low, which is what my doctor says causing my poor sleep and my cortisol is also low. So she put me on a bunch of different supplements. I'm continuing the anti-inflammatory diet and I asked her what does my exercise look like and she just said, don't run any marathons. And so my question to you is what type of training would you recommend for somebody who is dealing with adrenal fatigue in terms of intensity, duration and frequency? And then secondarily, I'm assuming that being in a caloric deficit isn't a stress on the body, but I don't know, should I be at maintenance right now or should I be in a surplus? And just curious to know your thoughts on that. Yeah, good questions. First off, my condolences about your brother's passing. That's terrible. Now, adrenal fatigue, now they call it HPA axis dysfunction. So that's more of the medical term. Basically the hypothalamus, the pituitary and the adrenals are off. And in your case, it's measuring, is everything coming out low? So you have to really prioritize your health above all else. And I would scale your training way back. Like two times a week. I'd go one or two days a week of strength training max. I would do the yoga, make sure it's more of a yin style yoga, kind of a recuperative, relaxing yoga, nothing power, nothing heated, just kind of relaxing. Meditation would also be very good. And then diet wise, what you think is absolutely right. I'd have you at maintenance or a slight surplus just to give your body nothing else to be worried about or be stressed about. And then your workouts, the way I would treat the workouts is as stress relief. So go into the workout and really think about what's gonna make you feel good while you're feeling the way you are. So that may mean your workouts are lower intensity, may mean some of them are higher intensity, but you gotta really get your health back before you push anything with your workout. Be careful with that advice though, because sometimes we misinterpret what feels good, right? Because when you're in a state like you are right now, that rush of cortisol after you're a hard workout, sometimes feels good and is misleading. Clients like in your case sometimes will. Don't use the workout to distract yourself in other words. Yeah, did you also say, did I hear you say you're a lawyer too? Yes. Oh yeah, okay, so it's probably a pretty high stress job in addition to what you got going on. So yeah, I mean, and that's how I would, so based off of my week, like speaking as you, I would, that's what would drive and steer like what my workout looked like. If I had a couple of good days of good rest and work, I got a lot of stuff done at work. I don't feel like I'm behind. I'm not like staying up super late and grinding. Okay, I'm gonna go to the gym and have a good hard workout. Flip that scenario, it's the opposite. Oh my God, work is just, I'm overloaded. It's staying up late. I'm grinding like crazy. Like, okay, now my workout is gonna be more recuperative. I'm gonna do some more mobility stuff. Some maybe yoga I'm gonna do, maybe I'll do some lifting, but it'll be very light as far as the intensity. It's just I'm gonna go in there and get a little bit of a pump and do some movement. And I wanna walk out of the gym, like feeling energized and good, not like I crushed the gym and I have this rush of cortisol. I wanna feel like I feel good, like, oh, wow, I'm even more energetic for the rest of my day based off of the way I lifted. Do you do any meditative practices currently right now? So I just started doing some breath work. Is that what you mean by meditation? That'll work. Yeah, no, definitely. I mean, that's kind of where I was going in terms of I don't know if you mentioned Wim Hof and you're trying to, like for me that was a very applicable way to get into meditation in terms of like the way that just it just helped to kind of get my entire focus in that direction with tangible ways of approaching it. Cause I know it's kind of one of those things like, you know, especially if you're type A kind of a person it's a hard headspace to get into just by sitting there and kind of trying to think about it. So to put yourself in classes or, you know, settings like that, I think, you know, it's a good idea. Yeah, to be more specific, daily activity is good. Hard workouts is what I'm telling you to scale way back. You know, so strength train one or two days a week, but daily activity, daily walks, daily movement is fine. It's really good for you. I wouldn't do five days a week of strength training or four days a week of strength training. I think that's too much for you right now. Yeah. I think your body needs to, you need to, when you're, whoever you're working with, the expert that you're working with, when your hormones start to come back into balance, that would be the time to scale up the workout. Once everything starts to come back in balance and is more stable. And slow and go back and measure still, right? So like just as you start to feel good and go, okay, I'm starting to feel good. Yeah, don't turn it all the way up. Yeah, let's add one day of resistance training. Let's go back and measure. Am I still good? Am I still feeling great? Am I still, is everything up? Okay, cool. Now I can add another like versus, oh, I'm good again. Now go back to my five days a week, crushing it, getting after it, like allow yourself to scale slowly up and always be checking back in with yourself. A good program to follow. A MAP Center ball could probably be good. And I would do one or two foundational workouts a week and then just be active throughout the week. I think that would be appropriate for you at this moment and monitor the intensity. So even with the hard foundational workouts, you might even need to scale down the intensity depending on how you're feeling. Chloe, are you also taking advantage of the free forum with Dr. Cabral? Yeah, yeah, I actually asked a question there last week just for some more resources that I could look into myself and would read up on that or listen to any episodes that they offered and they gave me a couple of good sources. Good, and they do testing as well, but they're very comprehensive. So I like to Dutch test a lot. I think that's a superior way to test hormones because your hormones fluctuate throughout the day and a Dutch test for people aren't familiar. This is, you're testing your hormone levels throughout the day, but there's also hair tests that you could do to look at mineral deficiencies and heavy metal toxicities. A stressed body doesn't do as well of a good of a job of detoxifying the body as a non-stressed body. So you could look at Dr. Cabral's team, maybe work with them to do some further testing to just kind of get more fine-tuned with what you're doing. Okay, cool. All right. Did you say MAPCentabolic? I have that one, is that what I'm interested in? Yeah, MAPCentabolic, one or two foundational workouts a week is what I would do. And then the rest of the week you could just be active and keep the intensity real low with the activity. So I could like keep my yoga and my walking if I wanted to add in another day of yoga, would that be fine? As long as it's a good restorative yoga. Okay, don't try and do strength training yoga because there are yoga classes that are like, something like high intensity, like a lot of them. No, I would look for yin. Yin yoga is a really good option. Okay. Okay, and good luck. It's gonna take a little while, be patient please. It's gonna take a good six months to a year for you to feel like your old self. But if you don't heed the warnings, it'll never happen. Right, right. Okay, cool. All right, thanks for calling in. Thank you, Chloe. Thanks, yeah, and I just wanted to thank you guys. You know, the first episode I heard was a why women should bulk. I listened to that about a year ago and I share that with all of the women in my life and friends and family members. So just thanks for putting that really good content. I appreciate it. No problem, thank you. Thank you. We sure got a contact info. We need a good attorney, don't we, usually? Always. Well, what kind, do people say in our corner? What kind of attorney did she say? She didn't say what she was. She didn't say. Yeah, it's always good to have an attorney friend. You can never have too many of them. Never, I'm an attorney, I need a judge, I need a police chief, I sound like a mafia. No, you know, I feel for her because when you're in that state and you feel bad, it's like you wanna do more to help yourself and the answer's doing less. Yeah, it's like counterproductive. Which is like hard to do, especially if you're somebody that's, you know, she's accomplished, she's an attorney. So she's used to doing more to get what she wants, probably. Well, what are some things, I mean, so we can help, I know we didn't go into it with her, but maybe when she listens to this later, that like, I think what makes it hard is we look at the traditional things of like, my body, my strength, the mirror, when now I would want her to shift her focus on like, hey, how was your sleep? That would be the number one focus. Right, how's your sleep? How's your mood? Yeah, how's your mood? Energy cravings? Are you starting to see less cravings now? Like, so these are the things that, you know, by us scaling back on the intensity in the gym, of course, we might potentially get weaker. Of course, we may not be as buff as we were a month ago, but your health is our number one focus now. So let's not use that as our markers if we're doing well, and let's look at these other things that we wanna pay attention to. And so that will help you stay motivated and focused is looking at those things and really let that be like, oh, I'm having success with working out only one of the people. I worked out for almost two years like that. It was almost two, because I had a family member that was going through some day, ended up passing away. It was a real tough battle with cancer. And it was two years of me working out to maintain my health, literally. I would just work out and like, okay, how can I stay healthy so I can help this person? It was not PRs. It was not how much muscle I could build. It wasn't burning body fat. It was literally I go in, I have an hour. What can I do to feel good and to help myself? And sometimes it was like one exercise and then walking on the treadmill really slow is what it looked like sometimes. So it's real tough. Our next caller is Josh from California. Josh, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Hey guys, how's it going? I appreciate the time to chat with you and get some little bit of help here. I'm working as a food coach for a lot of clients now. I've been doing it for about a year after getting involved on the physique competitive side and really kind of to kind of reallocate that focus towards helping people versus kind of just doing it myself. So I have a client who is pretty locked in with food. He's in his early 30s and he's like typical early 30 year olds trying to lose a little bit more body fat and get a little bit more lean muscle. He's in that 25% body fat range. He's about five, 10 and 190 pounds. And I'd say average workout experience. So we started his diet plan. It's all macro based and that goes pretty smoothly. But where I'm struggling a little bit is pointing him in the right direction from a workout regime perspective. His work schedule is very, very unique. He's a New York tugboat captain and he works two weeks on which means he literally lives on this tugboat for two weeks and then he has two weeks off where he goes home and he's not working. The two weeks where he's off, it's really easy, right? He can go to a gym, he has access to anything he needs to from a gym perspective and that's pretty fluid. But the struggle here is that when he works the two weeks on the boat, he works in six hour increments which means that he has pretty limited time to actually get a workout in, maybe about an hour a day, which isn't terrible. But his sleep schedule in particular is really broken up into like two or three hour increments maybe twice throughout the day. So I'm really struggling with A, helping him find a consistent program that you can kind of break up with amongst the two weeks. And then probably more importantly, work on a program that lets his body still recover from a sleep perspective because I know that he could be awake at two o'clock in the morning and be awake from two to four and then have to go back to sleep for 45 minutes or an hour, it's just, it's so hyper inconsistent that I worry about putting him in a position where maybe he's pushing it a little bit too too hard versus appropriately being able to scale back and set him up for success. What is his primary goal? He's not trying to compete, right? He's, what's his primary goal? Yeah, he's just, he's 33, 32. He's in that 25, maybe closer to 25, 30% body fat and he's just trying to kind of lean out and ultimately get to where he probably looked at like 22, which I think is pretty normal for us early 30-year-olds. But yeah, no competitive aspirations. Okay, I mean, I mean, this is very doable. I mean, it's not, I actually think that with his poor sleep schedule on the tugboat, I think trying to do too much on the tugboat will end up hurting you than helping you. So, and if you train really well and you're eating really well when he's back in town and stay very consistent with that, so long as we, he, you know, as I always say on the show, he doesn't eat like an asshole on the tugboat and he sounds like he's probably doing physical manual labor, maybe get some trigger sessions in there, maybe give him some bands and he does some trigger work on there or some body weight work. You'd be surprised of what he could maintain during that time. It's really him not going off the deep end and totally eating off the rails and not working out for those two weeks. And then he comes back and then it's just like, we're gonna take these big steps back. I think 20 to 30 minutes of daily mobility slash little bit of strength training on the tugboat would be totally fine. You could use a suspension trainer or bands to make it really convenient. Although they don't have any, I remember we had somebody call in for tugboats and there's no way to put the suspension training. Really? Yeah. Okay. Cause it's all waterproof. Well, that would be body weight and bands. Yeah, body weight and bands. Body weight and bands. And then the two weeks he's off, obviously who would just train like he normally does. But yeah, diet's gonna be the big one with fat loss. And you said he wants to get down to 22% body fat? No, sorry, maybe I misspoke. He's in that like 25% range give or take. But he's trying to, you know, probably ideally would be in more of like a 15 to 18% range. Okay. Yeah. I mean, that's gonna be a largely the result of his diet. Yeah. But on the boat, he could do 20 to 30 minutes a day of some kind of exercise, body weight, bands. It could be mobility work. And then two weeks when he's back, he trains normally. It's not that bad. Actually, to be honest with you, studies are showing that that really doesn't make that big of a difference. Yeah. You know, as long as he's active and he does those two weeks of traditional strength training, he'll probably progress just fine. Yeah. I know you guys always cite that, what? Like three weeks on one week off study. Right. That's a really good results. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. Cool. And then I guess just as a follow up, do you guys think it's appropriate to, for when he is home for those two weeks, I was thinking something specific to like maps, aesthetics to kind of like matches or his kind of goals. Maybe maps on a ball like aesthetic is really high volume or performance. Maps performance might be more appropriate. A lot of people will, they tend to navigate towards aesthetic because they like the main and its body, but it's really high volume. Yeah. He should work to that. Like that should be the goal to get him to aesthetic, but I would run him through our normal anabolic performance and then aesthetic to get him there. So, and that's how I would set it up for him. If like, hey, I know you want to get into body sculpting and you want to look a certain way, you know, eventually I want to scale you to this much volume, but we need to start here first. I'll start in an anabolic phase and then we'll work our way into performance and then work our way into aesthetic. Which also as a trainer, I mean, that's, to me, it sets you up for your resign for the next six month or nine months right there too. Telling him that this is what we're going to do. We're going to follow anabolic. When you're on the boat, and here's how I would do it too. I'd be, he would be running anabolic when we're in town. When he's out of town, I'd give him some body weight stuff or some band stuff. If you don't have maps anywhere, Doug will send you maps anywhere you can pull from the programming in there and just let it interrupt the program and then continue right where you left off in the program before when he's in town until you get all the way through anabolic that way and then go to performance. Same thing, run performance to a tee. When he's on the boat, then he's running kind of a maps anywhere type of protocol and then, and then continues on with performance when he gets back and just keep running the programs like that. Yeah, that's perfect. I think maps anywhere might be the only program that I don't own from you guys. So that would be amazing. Cool. Doug will send that over. Yeah, I appreciate you guys. Thank you. You got it, Josh. Thanks, man. Take care. Very uncommon schedule, right? But challenging. Yeah, yeah. Now, tugboat, that's the boat that's like a tow truck, right? They go out and the boats that are stranded, they pull them. That's what I figured. Yeah. I don't know. When I was a kid. Nothing gets by you. Just want to make sure. Let's break this down, you guys. Yeah. It's a boat that tugs things. That's the one, what's his name? Pull with his teeth, right? Isn't that what he pulled? Tugboat? Did he pull a tugboat? No, he didn't pull a tugboat. I think it was a robo. Yeah, a robo. So you were doing good there for a second. No, Jack, look at that. He did not pull a tugboat. He just cried. Somebody pulled a tugboat. Somebody pulled a tugboat, for sure. Somebody tugged a tugboat. Doug, Google, who pulled a tugboat? I'm sure Adam knows something. Somebody did it, you guys. Somebody pulled a tugboat. Yeah, no. I'm telling you, somebody did. No, but that's a tough, but you know, two weeks on, two weeks off, with activity on the off, whatever, as long as it's some kind of activity, you're fine. The key is dying. You're totally fine. Honestly, the key is to die. Especially, yeah, if he's talking about body composition, I mean, that's really where you need to live anyway. And I think the risk that you run, as a trainer who's coaching someone like this, is trying to get them to do too much in a state where they're probably not sleeping very well and don't have a lot of time. And then, when he does train, he's kind of overtraining the body and then cravings are up and then he makes bad choices. It's like, you know what? It's easy to step over that line with exercise. And then he comes home and he's exhausted for five days, six days. What I would do if he was my client, I would put all the energy around, okay, let's talk about what food choices you have on this boat, and let's try and really... Full prep before even leaving. Yeah, let's manage that really tight. And then, hey, three days a week, I'd like you to do these movements. Do your best. I know you're gonna be working on that boat. Like, I'm sure it's a physical job. I don't think he's probably just sitting on the boat with his feet up. I'm sure he's probably doing like manual labor all day long. So he's probably pretty active on it. He's tugging at it a little bit. He's been tugging all day. Our next caller is Sean from Massachusetts. Sean, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Hey, how you doing? So I'm 32 at the end of this month. I decided for some odd reason that I was gonna become a pro wrestler for my sons. And so I did a camp and it was actually coincidentally, the same day you guys dropped MAPS cardio, and I was looking at MAPS cardio and I was just trying to figure out how to do the MAPS program on top of training. It's actually Tuesdays and Thursdays from seven to 10 p.m. And then I do yoga once a week. So I was just trying to figure out how to balance everything out and kind of not get burnt out because the training, I wouldn't be having my first wrestling match for like six to seven months. So I'd be training pretty much for that long. So that's pretty much where I'm at and trying to figure out what to do so I don't get burnt out. All right, good question. Okay, yeah, we'll get to that question, but I wanna find out like what inspired this? Did you just like suplex one of your kids and we're like, I'm good at this? Yeah. I grew up with like stone cold and the rock and stuff like that. And I watched it and then, you know, there's like a lot of local shows. And I took my kid to it one day and he kind of fell in love with it. And I'm like, man, I wanna do this for them. And I have like this whole thing planned out in my head like of how I want my first match to go and like be like sitting in the crowd type of thing and have somebody come out and like challenge somebody in the crowd and have that person be me just to see my kid's reaction. You're gonna be a healer, you're a... Yeah, and I've always loved it. I feel like this is how you convinced your wife. Yeah. That's a great way to get out of the house too, by the way. That's what I really, I really feel like this is how you convinced your wife. I was like, honey, this is for the boys and I gotta do something for my sons. I know, how does a mom say no to that? Totally for them, I swear. God damn it. Yeah, she's not too thrilled about it, but I told her. It was, I said it was... Bro, we're cheering for you, by the way. Is that, is that, listen baby, I gotta get a new motorcycle for my sons. So look, here's the deal. Two things, number one, you're gonna be a superhero to kids no matter what you do. So I just want to break that down for you, whether you make it or not. Even a worship, yeah. You're gonna, your dad, dad's a superhero whether you go pro wrestling or not. All right, so let's answer the question with the training. I think depending on the intensity of the two training sessions you're doing with pro wrestling, I'd probably throw one or two strength training sessions in there on top of it. And then I would focus primarily on the techniques that you need to practice for pro wrestling. So a lot of people don't know this, but wrestling, even pro wrestling, even though it's scripted, you're doing the moves for real and they're very technical. It's not just the person performing the move, but it's also the person who's getting thrown that needs to perfect the technique, otherwise you hurt yourself. So where I would spend my time, if I were you, a majority of the time I would spend is on that, not on workouts. You look like a big guy, you probably got the performance down. You gotta practice the techniques. That's what's gonna keep you from hurting yourself and keep you from hurting other people. Have you drawn to cardio for stamina reasons? Was that something you're considering right now? So I own pretty much every single program from you guys except for like PED and like OCR. And when I saw the cardio where you throw in either the hiking or whatever you do, that's pretty much why I had bought it. And I've been playing around with it a little bit and I can actually break down what we do in the training sessions at the school. But cardio, mapped cardio just seemed like the perfect fit for something like that because it was only like three days a week. When you're doing your wrestling training, it's a lot of practicing the moves and techniques, right? Yeah, and so the class that I had went to, the first 45 minutes, which was the warmup, basically we were running up and down three flights of stairs for 10 minutes. We were doing fireman's carries with the guy behind us for a few rounds. And then we did like a hundred squats and then 50 push-ups. And then that was the warmup. And then we got in the ring. They wanted to do like catch wrestling for the first two minutes, trying to see like who can kind of hang and who can't. Well, me being one of the only guys that looked like I worked out, I got thrown in there with one of the guys who's been wrestling for six years and who was the second biggest guy in there. I'm not going to toot my own horn, but I made him tap out. Yeah, so we got in the ring like 45 minutes after the workout. And then after that, we work on promos and talking, learning how to talk to the crowd and things like that. So it's not like seven to 10 is not a full intense workout, but there's like two or three hours solid. I feel like he could follow a master cardio. Maybe, I mean, if he was my client, because so pro wrestling training is very similar to if you took a competitive judo class or a wrestling class. What you just explained is what you would do in a high level judo class as well. I would go one day a week of strength training and it could be full body, basic. So you could pick one of the workouts from cardio or you could go maps and a ball like, and then you got your two days a week of pro wrestling. And then I would, if you can, I would throw in one or two more days of judo or wrestling training. That's going to transfer way better to the ring than more gym time. It's going to be way more carry over if you do something like that. That's a good point. Yeah. And I mean, the catch wrestling, he explained catch wrestling is technical. That's a, that's old American submission wrestling. So America actually has a history of submission wrestling. He's called it catches catch can was the name of it. And they would do all kinds of different submissions and stuff is very cool form of wrestling. But yeah, I would do more of that in one day a week of gym work. The gym work, yeah, you'll get stronger and stuff. But if you wanted to carry over to the ring, you get to practice more of that stuff. And because I'm speaking specifically to an athlete, I can be very specific with my advice. So that's what I would do. One day a week of strength training and see if you could throw another day or two in of wrestling or judo or something along those lines to make you. Then Sunday start working on your costume. That's what I would do. Yeah. So getting that down. Do you have a wrestling name yet? Did you come up with one yet? So I was debating, but big daddy games. Yeah. Well, you can't take that's, that's, that's Justin's name. You got to pick another one. Oh man. It's okay. You can have it. You know, I, I get it. Game that said cakes. It's big daddy cakes. We call it. Big daddy cakes. Yeah. No, that's. They could be a tag team. Yeah. Calm down, Adam. I see this now. No, that's cool, man. I mean, yeah, I'm a little jealous. Yeah. I like it, dude. I like it. Well, yeah, I agree. Sal, I love, I love the advice. I think you could mold cardio to work, but I think what Sal said is, is perfect. And it makes a lot of sense that if you've got the extra time, if you've got the extra two days of lifting, you're better off putting in it towards a craft that is going to improve your craft. Because I imagine like that's your body fat percentage or your ability to bench press 50 more pounds is probably not what's going to make you a pro wrestler. It's going to be your, your skills in the ring and maybe your personality and those. And so doubling and tripling down on those things is far better off than. I would do, I would either do judo or Greco if you can find a class that does either one and just go train with those guys. And that'll give you some, some nice carryover to pro wrestling. All right. I mean, I just, I love lifting. So it was, that's not what I want to hear. Cause I want to do, I want to do both. Hey, listen. If you really want to be, if you really want to be a pro wrestler, I think that's what Sal saying is really good. Oh yeah. It's for your sons. Don't forget. It's for your boys. He's going to hold that. You got to do it. You got to do it for your kids. That's right. He's that angle on him. Instead of picking up weights, I got to pick up human body. That's right. That's it, man. 100% brother. That's right. Do you have maps on a balik by the way? Cause we can send that to you. I think the foundational workouts on there will be better. Just pick one a week. Oh yeah. I have, like I said, I have every program except for PD. I actually just finished maps in a balik. Okay. So I guess, I guess my other question is like, aside from that, cause it's going to be about seven months after the seven months, what should I do as far as a program? Cause I mean, Will we know if you're a pro by then or not? I mean, I'm certainly not going to be a pro, but I'll at least have my first match under me. I mean, to me that, to me I'm staying, I know, and it's probably going to be hard for you to hear cause you already admitted how much you love living weights, but Sal's advice, if you want to be a pro wrestler, I mean, I can tell from the video, you're not a small guy. You got muscle on you, dude. You got plenty of muscle on you. I mean, double triple down on your craft. The technique and the skill of wrestling is so important that that's where I would place, and the stamina required. And the longevity of it to not get injured. You need the technique. That is everything. I mean, when people throw you, if you don't know how to fall right, and you guys don't work together well, you're fine. To me, when you become a pro, then worry about looking sexy. Exactly. Then when you become a pro, yeah, then when you become a pro, then we can talk about diet and looking even more. Then invite us to your shows. Yeah. So for now, if you want to become a pro, then the advice that Sal's given, I think is spot on. And it stays that way beyond seven months. It stays that way until you become a pro. That's how I would think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, when I did that two minutes, I mean, I was already gassed out from the 45 minutes because, you know, doing the stairs and the firemen's carries and everything else. And he couldn't get me down. And like I said, he was doing it for like six years. So he's doing it a lot longer than me. And he was getting mad. He couldn't take me down. So he ended up like scooping me up on my shoulder on his shoulders, like Brock Lesnar and just dumping me on my head. So I just got dumped on my head and I popped up. I finally took them down. I just cranked his neck as hard as I could to put him to sleep because I wasn't going to lose. But it was the hardest two minutes of my life. Yeah. It was only two minutes. The stamina that's required for grappling, the best way to build stamina for that is to grapple more. Yeah. This is just where the carryover is. It's a whole different level of stamina. A different type of stamina involves a lot of static. Specific adaptation. Strength and stability combined with cardiovascular, you know, and so you want to get better at grappling. You got to grapple more. That's the bottom line. Sounds good. You guys, I really do. I've been listening to you guys since, I want to say 2017 and just a sidebar. Do you guys remember when you were shouting people out and you shouted New Bedford Downtown Post Office? Yeah, I do remember that. Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm the guy who started it. I'm from Mount Pleasant and I got two of the guys into it and then it was like a domino effect. So I'm the starter. So yeah, there's no beef. Yeah, there's no beef between us. It was just all good fun. But when I heard them get a shout out, I'm like, well, I got to get a shout out too. I started it. Well, you're here. You're on it, bro. You're on the show. Big daddy games. And you, hey, you stick with it. We'll come watch you. How's that sound, dude? I'll come watch you. Go become a pro for those boys. Hell yeah. All right, I appreciate that, guys. Thank you so much. Take it easy. All right, brother. When we were talking about pro wrestling, I just kept picturing what you guys would look like. Hey, as a team, as a team, dude. Come on, bro. Adam would have one of those. Captain Kase, dude. Adam would have one of those bass songs. Like, El Muchacho. No, no, no, no, no. El Muchacho. I want to be the, who was the guy for the Bret Hart with the microphone and I was the one who, and you guys have to get to it. He's like Razor Ramon, but. Oh, that's right. No, no, no, no. Rick, Ravishing Rick Rude. Ravishing Rick Rude. That, hey, please God, edit a picture of it. Ravishing Rick Rude, because that's Adam right there. No, I think, I think 100% we were right. He came up with a good excuse to get out of the house because the wrestling side. Oh, bro. Do that for my kids. For sure. I had to say that. For sure that pitch was to close the wife. Yeah. For sure that. It's for my sons. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't do that. She's like, God damn it, what do I say about that kid? No, you know. He got me. So, you know, a lot of people, so pro wrestling, it's scripted, but it's just like any other grappling, except for you really. It's a sport. And you need to work together very well because you could really get hurt. And so it's very technical. It's extremely technical. So the time he's going to spend in the gym, it's like he's wasting that time. Well, I mean, a classic example to that point is you guys saw the big news that came out, right, this last week with Logan Paul signing with the WWE. So he just signed with the WWE. He's got all kinds of years of wrestling behind his belt. And you could tell by him going out there. I mean, he only practiced for like six weeks going into it, but he was a natural, but he's a natural because he's been practicing wrestling for his whole life. You got to know how to fall, how to throw. There's different skills, techniques, and working together. And so you just got to spend your time doing that. And the gym, you know, once a week, max. Our next caller is Michael from Virginia. Michael, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Hey, guys, yeah, I just want to say thank you for taking my call. I'm a big fan, you guys, love what you do. So thank you for that. No problem. Thank you. Who's Duncan in the background? I can't see from here. Who's that? It's Zion Williams and he's the best. Oh, nice. Are you happy with the signing or what? Were you happy with the big deal he just got? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I got to see him live a couple of times. Is he playing for the Wisconsin Wizards? Stupid dude, don't try. Just stay quiet for a bit, just stay quiet for it. It's a new team. The men are talking right now. Continue. Go ahead, bro. Ask your question, Michael. Go ahead, bro. Yeah, so I wanted you guys' advice on growing the outside, sort of side part of the chest that connects to the upper arm and gives it the real rounded look near the armpits. I have decent development in my chest, but I've always noticed it's a little bit of a lagging part for me. I have good strength and I have a good bench press but I don't really see the fullness in it. I do high rep, slower movements as well, like dips and flies to try to get a good stretch at that point, but I'm not seeing the results that I want. I understand the way the chest fibers run and there's no real outer chest, but I would just love to hear your guys' thoughts on this. Yeah, I mean, you hit the nail on the head. And if you look at the anatomy of the, so you have the pectoralis major and the pectoralis minor, OK? So major, you attach it at the humerus and then all along the sternum. Then there's the pec minor, which is kind of on the outer part. And you really can't isolate outer and inner. Now you could do upper and lower because of the way the muscle fibers attach on the sternum, but inner, outer, really there's no use in trying to isolate one or the other. It's just about developing the chest overall and building the chest overall. So I would focus just overall on building the chest and you can do your upper and lower chest exercises to give you that balance. But when it comes to upper and inner, really that's just the genetic thing for the most part. The best answer I feel for this depends completely on what you do consistently and what your, what big exercise do I think you're missing or you're not doing enough. What are you doing for your chest? So for example, like incline bench press, obviously flat bench press, both dumbbell and barbell, obviously flies, dips. I would categorize it as some of the, that's the meat, right? And then when I think of all those, those big lifts for the chest that are gonna develop the chest the most, I would ask you, okay, which ones are you really consistent with that you do most of the time and which one do you think you neglect the most of the time and the ones that you neglect, I would put you to focus on that. So like maybe you're not like a big weighted dip guy. You don't ever really do that for the chest. Maybe that's not, that would now become in our routine. We are going to get strong at weighted dips and see what that does for your chest. Maybe you're a guy like I was in my 20s where I skipped incline a lot because I was weak in incline. I hated doing incline bench because I had to reduce the weight so much compared to my flat bench and I wanted to bench heavy weight. So I did incline, but infrequently in comparison to flat until one year I said, okay, my goal is to make my incline equal to my flat bench. And I did mostly incline for a year and my chest blew up. So really, you know, tell me what is your chest routine we got and after I've listed those, are there any exercises I listed that you think that you neglect in comparison to the others? Yeah, probably weighted dips. I normally just do body weight for about eight to 10 reps or so. You could try messing around with heavier weight, lower reps, eight to 10 is not bad with dips. You can even try banded dips and going higher reps up to 15. So you can mess around with the reps there. But we're looking at overall chest development is really what you want to focus on. You ever do a guillotine press? That's a good extra. That's a fun exercise for the upper chest that a lot of people don't do. No, I've never done that before. It's a sketchy looking one. It is. It's a gold light with it, but it's an interesting one. Works really well for the upper chest. But really it's about overall chest development. Upper, I'm sorry, inner, outer. You're not going to isolate one or the other. How's your shoulder mobility and stability around the shoulder joint specifically? And do you do a lot of like overhead press? Yeah, I do a standing barbell press, military press and I don't really ever have shoulder pain when benching with barbells or dumbbells. Okay, so there's no issue there in terms of range of motion and depth and all that kind of stuff. Like you're able to hit that pretty easily. Yeah, I think so. Are you following one of our programs? I'm not currently. Oh, fuck. Well, there you go. There's your problem right there. That's the problem. Finally we get to it. You're following some other clowns program online. That's the reason why your chest is not as big as it should be, bro. You have the wrong recipe. We could have totally cut all that crap out. I asked that question. We're just shooting in the dark over here. Yeah, how long have you been working out for, Michael? Just about two years. All right, we're going to send over. Let's start with MAPS anabolic. Do the three foundational workout a week variation. Then following that, you could do their MAPS performance or MAPS aesthetic. But follow MAPS anabolic as it's laid out. Do three foundational workouts a week. So do that option. And then on the trigger session days, focus on chest exercises with bands. Do that and then see what happens. Were you kind of right in your own routine before or were you following somebody's? I've never really followed a script approval. Shit, well, here you go, bro. That's going to make a big difference. Follow the program. I guarantee you stick to the program. You'll notice a difference in your chest at the end of the program. Yeah, you got to ask for directions. You know what I mean? Yeah, sometimes. Yeah, yeah. You got it, man. Yeah, we got you. Yeah, don't act too excited in front of your wife. Just give you a free program. Don't act too excited there. We'll work on your energy. He's just like your son, bro. He's a five or a seven. Five or a seven. Five or a seven. That's all you get. Cool story. We got a six there. I saw this file. That's all right. Thanks for calling in, Michael. We'll send you maps and a ball. Follow that program, OK? Yeah, yeah. All right, thank you guys so much. You got it, man. All right, bro. Thank you. Bro, is he not your son or what? Right there. Get excited, man. Just gave you a free program. I just want a big chest, you guys. We'll help you. Yeah, you know that we used it. The old bodybuilding advice was this is for inner chest. This is for outer. This is for lower biceps. Waste of time. Total waste of time. You know why that stuck around and still is still around is because what it ends up doing is the point I was trying to make. It gets somebody to do something they weren't doing before. Yes. You know, it's like, oh, if you do this exercise for your inner. It's like, oh, I never do that. That's what I've been missing. They start doing it. Then they see a difference in the chest. And then they think, oh, it was that exercise. It's like, no, it was the novelty. You've been doing the same bullshit for your chest for so many years. You finally did something different. And it's like, so. And I really think the ones that I was listing off, the dumbbell, barbell, flat incline benches, your flies, and then your dips are like the meat for your chest. And typically when I meet somebody, I know he was very. They do like one or two a lot. Exactly. There's always, you know, he just said dips, but I call bullshit. Like you're probably, there's probably a couple of those that you're neglecting. Or there's definitely one you favor. And the one you favor, you need to back off a little bit and replace it with one of those other ones. And you'll see a difference. And you'll, you'll get, you'll start to tap into not quite, but you'll get a little bit of those newbie games, right? Because it's an exercise you don't often practice. Right. You'll see the strength go up and then the muscle typically follows. Look, if you like Mind Pump, if you love this show, check out mindpumpfree.com. We got a lot of free guides that can help you with almost any health or fitness goal. You can also find all of us on social media. So Justin is on Instagram at Mind Pump Justin. Adam is on Instagram at Mind Pump Adam. And you can only find me on Twitter at Mind Pump Sal. How do I incorporate cardio and not lose muscle? Seen people do this before where they'll start to lose the sharpness of their muscles or they'll start to lose the sculpt a little bit. And that's disheartening. But if you do it right, then you minimize that muscle loss or that metabolism slow down. In fact, if you do it right, you can actually speed up your metabolism at the same time that you build stamina and endurance. You just have to be able to kind of program it properly. And the way to program it improperly is just go do it as much cardio as you can for as long as you can. Right.