 Felly mae'r troffi ti wedi'u gwneud o'r lle a'n drwy'n bai Jamie Caragher, Sky Sports pundit. Wel, nawn o'n maes i siaradau, just leave it at that. Knows a lot about both clubs. Jamie, nice one for Avanad Shat. Obviously, you've done something most of us haven't done this season. It's been being in stadiums, watching Premier League games. How do you think Evan have done this season? Obviously, from a personal point of view, we've done better than we did last year. We struggled towards the end and ended up mid table. But then Carlo Antolotti has been able to get us better results this season if the football hasn't been what we'd hoped to see. But have you seen Evan's progression this season? I think you have been a lot better. I thought the end of last season was really poor with the season finished. Maybe even after the lockdown we come back and it was the empty stadiums then. But it was obviously a big problem in midfield. I was commentating on a lot of those games. I think certainly one away at Wolves was really poor. I think the business that you did in the summer was really good. I think you're only bringing those players in because of the manager you've got really. You've got links with a couple of those players. I think they've made a big difference in midfield. I think it's been unfortunate that Alan's been out for a bit of time as well to Corey right now. You're going to miss them in midfield. But it has been better, but it shows there's still a way to go. You get to the semi-finals or the quarter-finals of the FA Cup. I think the quarters of the league cup as well. You come up against the two manches, decide to do it at this moment. A better never and got better quality on the pitch. We're also squads when you see what they're bringing off the bench. I mean it's so difficult to compete with that. I think that just shows that there's still a way to go. But whether you can ever bridge that gap because it's just so difficult now. When you see Man City running away with the league as well. Even from our point of view, Liverpool wise and you think next season they will catch them as well. It is really tough, but I think the manager you've got. You've got a top manager, no doubt. There's a lot better than last season. You're looking at the league at the moment and obviously you've seen Leicester City doing brilliantly. They haven't got the resources Manchester City or United have got. But they've done well, haven't needed to go well over a number of seasons. Is that someone who Everton should try to look at their example? Rather than we can't spend money like Manchester City can anyway with FFP and stuff. Is that more of a route that Everton should potentially follow, do you think? Well you've already said that haven't you Steve Walsh? Yeah, that didn't quite work. That's what I'm saying. I mean their model at the moment is the one I think everyone wants to look at where they basically sell high by cheap. And they're actually still selling the best players. You think of Chilwell and Harry Maguire have gone the last two summers as well. The job Brendan Rogers has done there I think is brilliant. Because Leicester won the league we always associate them with, you know, they won the league. So they should be up there or they're doing well. But they were ninth when Rogers came in. So you know it shows you know the job he's done. He's had to sell us as two biggest players. A lot of money but reinvested it really well and he's a really good coach. And yes they are the model not just for Everton but anyone who's outside of the Champions League positions normally. They are the one that everyone's looking at now because every season it starts. You know it was fancy Leicester to be in the top four or they were fifth last year. Looks like they're going to get it this year. And with Everton it's more a case of the Tiger always maybe, can we get into Europe? Can we get the Europa League? But Leicester now maybe taking that a step further where they've become. But that's not just a model for Everton. I think everyone will be looking at Leicester right now. But you know you have to give massive credit to them. But that's what Everton have got to try and achieve. Certainly before the new stadium comes as well to try and sort of bridge that gap and get into the top four. Quality signings and you've got the manager you know that. You're looking at it now and Everton are still in the fight for Europe. I mean theoretically they could still get to top four. They're going to win the game and I'm at three points behind Chelsea. It's obviously going to be difficult. You've just mentioned the core either and he's been excellent for Everton this season. I think the problem for us is we haven't got another midfiel player like him who can get around a pitch. There's players like Alan and Tom Davies has done well in the number six role keeping the ball. There's no energy in there. But for Everton to bridge, for Everton to, for you as pender to sit down in the summer and go, I think Everton will be in the fight for the top six. What do you think they need to do? What kind of players do you think they need to bring in? Cos you know we've had the chats on here and it's another midfiel player. Another right back, a new right back, a winger. Are you of the same view? Haven't watched the game and watching the way they set up and stuff and seeing them against other teams? I think you're well-stocked centre-back wise. I think in Llywodraeth, you've got one of the best left backs. I think with Charles and you're not going to get many better than him. That left-sided attack and roll. Calvert Lewin, you're not going to bring a centre forward in better than him. Midfiel wise, you mentioned the core and Alan. I think you're happy enough with them. I think there's still maybe a spot in midfield for someone. I mean, Andrew Gorm, as I thought, would be that man. But he had that really horrific injury really and I don't think he's ever come back the same. He's still a lovely footballer, but I think you could add something there really. Because I think to Corey and Alan, the more defensive, the more stoppers, if you like, really. I think someone with a bit of class in it, but as I said, maybe another year on from that injury, maybe Gomez can become that man, but I'd certainly look centre in midfield. I think right back is an area you could improve on because I think Coleman does a super job there. He's not going to be able to play every week and you're putting a whole gate there. Sometimes it's Godfrey and they're not right back. So I think if everyone's going to spend money in the summer, I think the two positions I'd look to was probably right back in midfield and maybe a goalkeeper. Would you keep it, yeah? You're still not convinced about it? No, I just... Or do you think someone else's a portion maybe? Yeah, I mean, obviously horrific what happened to Olson wasn't it? You know what that means, you move on. From the club, so you'd have to bring someone else in, but I don't know. I think Jordan Pickford's been in really good form of late. He's brilliant in the derby game if he continues that, but I think you're asking me this question in January or asking Caroline Chillotti, I'm sure he's been saying a goalkeeper's a big priority for us and whether that's changed because Jordan's obtaining form. But I think that could be something the club are looking for. Definitely, I mean obviously you've just mentioned Olson there and he makes just fancy getting off in the summer because you don't want to blame him obviously for what happened. Oh yeah, potentially another goalkeeper, someone to push Pickford. I don't think Javidging, a lot of people have been saying he'd beaten number two but he needs to see he's not alone in playing league football for me before he's even considered for that role. I mean, how evidence squad the way it is and obviously players missing is that just proving where they are, how good a job Caroline Chillotti's done in terms of tactical wise? Cos you've watched your analysis of the derby and however we're able to win that game and is that just an example of the tactical side of Caroline Chillotti and the way he's been able to squeeze a little bit more out of the squad? Yeah it is and Chillotti is more of the old school type of manager where certainly managers I played under would change things for certain games whereas you feel as if the manager, when you see modern managers but managers right now of like maybe Pequari older and say you're in clop but you're almost, you know what they're going to do it's just can you stop it really whereas and Chillotti when you go into a game again there's evidence team and maybe there's teams in the past you're not quite sure who's going to play, what formation they're going to play and that's really interesting for us to analyse and look at and that's why I thought the derby game was brilliant from him and I felt he won the game for Evan with how he set up and nullified Liverpool really and yeah I think an Evan manager in some ways has got to be like that cos I think it's difficult right now for Evan to ever have the best squad in the Premier League or the best team so when you come up against teams who are on paper are better then you've got to do something different you've got to surprise them or how do you nullify them how do you stop them so the way you play that at Anfield wouldn't be the way you play against I don't know, I'm going to say full of my own but you've got to be by full of them but no if you were coming up against a team at home you were expected to be basically so he is going to be a manager who changed things, formations something we couldn't analyse was how you played at Leeds I watched that game and you almost did the Leeds on Leeds you know you almost man marked them around the pitch and I was really interested to watch that I think it was on Amazon I think so we couldn't use the footage on the sky so I couldn't do that one but no I'm fascinated by I've obviously got history with him with AC Milan and Liverpool and that but he's the type of fellow on Shalotti that even Liverpool supporters can't not like him he's one of those fellas, he's a class actor you know you like him and I think Jürgen Klopp was definitely like that when he first came in I'm not sure he's like that now with the Everton supporters I don't know I think they both well respect it they are the amazing side for whatever reason just moving on obviously you just mentioned me before Ben Goffrey and Mason Holgate just from a both of them have played out a position at times on obviously you being a centre back and you know that position really well do you see both of them as centre backs and now Goffrey, definitely see Goffrey with the pace and everything but what about Mason Holgate first because he's someone who's like last season I think Everton means what they said he's on above on centre back cos he looked like this young lad good on the ball turn the pace but he's stagnated a little bit where do you see his best position do you see him as a centre back or do you think he can be a full back I think Holgate, I'm not sure I think he's always going to be a centre back playing full back which you can do a good job there and if you're going away to a tough place or you're sort of wanting someone to just defend and sit in the hole at a full back maybe what I did when I played full back that was good defensively support the play from behind not really going to overlap too much I think in a perfect world if Mason Holgate's best position would be right centre back of a back three cos when I look at him at centre back in a back four I always think is he tall enough I'm not saying he's not but you'd always want the fellow next one to be massively dominant in the air it's almost like you'd want Yeri Mina next to him when you watch him but I do look at Keir and Godfrey as the future forever in the centre back I think that's it I'm a big fan of both players I really do I really like Michael Keane he's a seven out of ten man every game his passing's very good from the back and in Godfrey I think you've got a super player and he's a great signing I think there's no problem with him playing left back or right back or centre back right now he's still learning, he's still developing and he's got great pace so if you're playing the full back position the one thing that can let you down if you're a centre back getting put there at times is if you haven't got great pace cos you can be exposed to full back but he's got the pace to deal with it he's not going to be looking at D or forward or calm and getting forward but you could still play him there at times but I think he's going to be a top centre back and I think in Keir and Godfrey it's a really good partnership I think he's done well for everyone but I've yet to be massively convinced really I do look at Keir and Godfrey as the future at centre back You think for Godfrey, England is calling soon do you think it won't just be a matter of time nearly for you getting there? I think it's possibly a little bit late now for the Euros I don't think the manager's going to change too much now but once the Euros is done there's always a feeling of not that squad's done but there's normally four or five of you then you're moving on from and I think if one of those is centre back I think Godfrey's got a great chance I really do if you're playing weekend week out you're English down the Premier League you're going to have a chance at that and that's what he's doing and maybe it's just come a little bit late for him to make the Euros About Michael Keane cos he's been left out of this England obviously there's been a bit of an uprove with Trent Alexander he's been left out as well on Mays he's had a set of fans there a bit like looking at Eric Dyer getting him before Godfrey and Keane but what about Michael Keane just from a personal thing you've been surprised he was left out can he make the Euros squad or? I think John Stones has not helped him as he No he's been John Stones has come from nowhere now basically to get himself back in and possibly the team really and the day I won I mean he hasn't performed as well as Michael Keane this season in a club shape but similar to Trent in that I think Dyer has been picked for his England performances maybe whether people think they were good or not but he was actually in the team quite a bit under Garret Sauge so to go from in the team to out the squad that was never going to happen so Michael Keane has always been a squad player really for England coming on sub now and again so he was always going to be the first one who was going to get pulled out and similar to Trent with Liverpool in that Trent's not necessarily I think getting left out is Liverpool form because I think of ladies done really well but I don't think he's ever overexceded himself in an England shape to be honest I think Rhys James has done a lot better in an England shape hence why he's in so I think Michael Keane, yes has been much better than Eric Dyer this season playing for Evan than he has done for Spades but Eric Dyer has got the shape in the England team really and I think Eric Dyer will now move to a squad player and John Stones will possibly step into his place Yeah and I suppose that's the case you can't nearly do you want him going with England? From an everton perspective I'm not bothered I'm not bothered, I always think for the player I mean obviously you play for your country so what was it like when you were in the squads from a personal thing for you were you down or was it just a case of well I know what I've got to do to get back in there I don't think I ever got down about it I mean I wasn't someone who was in and out all the time I was in for a period of time and then I retired and came back for a little bit but the odd squad I never made now and again so I wouldn't say I was massively disappointed it was always what I was doing at my club and if I was in the team at Liverpool playing I wasn't too bothered but yeah I mean for Michael Key I think he will be disappointed to be in there because it's good for the profile as well sometimes and the ego training with the best players and things like that but no it'll be alright Let me ask you this then before we finish management have you never fancied it? No not right now I mean right up for it when I was playing I always thought I was going to do it I thought you would go from that into coaching I mean Brendan Rodgers offered me a job when he first came in at Liverpool I said yes but then he changed his mind so I would have then been on the coaching staff and I'm sure I would have then wherever I would have gone who knows but no I got the sky roll and then just enjoyed that I did my coaching badges before I finished and a little bit of TV before I finished was to see what I enjoyed because it's okay saying you want to be a coach or a manager you might start doing it you might like it and you know where you go from there so I actually enjoyed the TV a lot more I didn't enjoy putting on training sessions and to stop them and my group was Connor Corrie and John Flanagan put under 15 when I took them at the academy so I don't want to be licensed with them but I didn't massively get the bug and I wouldn't say I massively regret it now I love the job of doing very lucky lots of ex players in the media so desperate to be on TV or whatever they're on there's a lot of jobs out there but I'm very lucky I think I've got one of the best ones because you can look a lot deeper into the game maybe from a managing point of view it's like managing without a team in some way you're looking at where they've gone so that gives me an opportunity so almost get me coaching me managers that on a Monday night and give never a bit of verbal I guess that's what I want me obviously to be a Valencia it's obviously a great game it's obviously a difficult lesson I wouldn't ever say that I wouldn't be a good manager if you did it again but I was just wondering because obviously Stephens here has done some brilliance hasn't he so I just wondered if because I know you're the close I just wondered if you were thinking you know what I wouldn't mind I think once you've been out of the game now a few years it's not just like you don't know the game playing players all these things he's picked up of in seven or eight years and other manager like a Frank Lampard or Scott Parker the build up experience every single day and learning from things that I've done nothing I'd be going in brand new and have all those things to learn or mistakes to make and different things so now I'd be well behind the curve you're happy to be yeah I am yeah I wasn't a few weeks ago when you beat Liverpool I thought I wish I was still playing I'm not gonna do that was good punditry okay okay let me ask you this then I've got 10 games to go they're right in the home for a European place what's Europe do you think they can get Europe? Europe's looking like it's gonna be the top seven the seventh place is the conference with the worst name ever they could have called it something good the brother cut me seventh would be this conference thing but from an evident perspective getting into Europe would be the top seven do you think your opinion you can make that top seven? yeah I think so you're not far behind Chelsea but I don't think I've got enough to finish in the top four I think it'll just depend on basically when you're coming up against your rivals for those positions I think Villa have just fell out away at the moment but you've got West Ham haven't you I think if you do well in those games you'll make Europe really but I think it's going to be tight I think it's going to go right to the wire and that's the game of the seasons away where? they've probably been the Champions League finals they've probably played after the reserve side on Saturday after the reserve side they've walked into many teams that's what you've done that's a couple of years you've known me through those games haven't you? only when it's massive I think you'll just make Europe I think you'll just make Europe just adding on to that then do you think from an Everton perspective that was the aim at the start of the season to get Everton European football I'm sure people will have a laugh if it's the conference thing but just from a momentum builder it'll be a big thing wouldn't it for Everton to get into Europe next season Everton should always be a team who should be in Europe and you talk about where Everton want to be and getting back to the 80s or whatever it may be when I was watching but I mean I think it's tough now I think it's tough for Everton to get top 4 I know top 4 at the start of every season like a bit of a target but it's not that realistic if I'm being totally honest I think Everton qualifying for the Europa League there's got to be something where they think every year we're in that Europa League and there's got to be a chance of when I always think the English team should dominate that competition because the teams in our 6th, 5th, 6th, 7th in our league I've got a lot more money than teams in other leagues in that position I think that's a competition we should do well and I think that's a competition Everton could do well in and I think that's a competition Everton should be should be in it every Everton should be in the top 7 I think every season and I think that's a Europa League position and all of that you've got European football here Totally agree Listen Jamie thanks very much for taking a time Thanks for watching make sure you give the video a thumbs up subscribe if you're Everton if you want more videos join us on Patreon don't forget to check Jamie's on Skyspor See you later